Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gamernyc78 said:
They do but I don't pay it no mind. I've been dealing with these types of convos since Sega, Nintendo and turbografx fans would go at it over which system had the larger color pallette and could have more polygons on screen 😂😂😂😂 Ppl would get savage over those systems.
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Mine has Blast processing ahha.

The best part is when fanboys complain which side of fanboys are the worst
 
Smoke6 said:
Shit Microsoft don't have any for the series X, so it's all gonna be third party and cross gen!
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Forza and Halo Versions for the Xbox Series X will Be loaded with eye candy and Ray Tracing and way better Graphics.

Cross Gen will not hold back Xbox Series X. DId Xbox One X get held back by Og Xbox One or Xbox One S?

I think people are reading to much into the no exclusive for a year or two. Microsoft was just saying we are going to support Xbox One for a year or two with Cross Gen. So people have time to Upgrade Hardware. But that is my Speculation and Opinion.
 
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WhispersintheWind said:
Forza and Halo Versions for the Xbox Series X will Be loaded with eye candy and Ray Tracing and way better Graphics.

Cross Gen will not hold back Xbox Series X. DId Xbox One X get held back by Og Xbox One or Xbox One S?

I think people are reading to much into the no exclusive for a year or two. Microsoft was just saying we are going to support Xbox One for a year or two with Cross Gen. So people have time to Upgrade Hardware. But that is my Speculation and Opinion.
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Yes thy did no game showed the true potential of the Xbox x or ps4pro bcus thy were built around weaker consoles. Games aren't just about better resolution.
 
Tommy Fisher said:
"More than 8 times as powerful as vanilla PS4 and four times as powerful as the PS4 Pro",
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The only way it makes sense:

Four times PS4 Pro = 4 x 4 = 16 TF (GCN) ------ which isn't strictly true, since the Pro is 4.2TF
Over 8 times base PS4 = 8.88889 x 1.8 = 16 TF (GCN)

16TF GCN == 12.8TF RDNA ------ equivalent performance in RDNA since PS4/Pro were GCN.
 
Mendou said:
If Microsoft isn't launching Lockhart this year then that practically guarentees the Xbox SX will be at $500, especially if Tommy Fisher is right in the PS5 being a 13tf console.
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I don't take T.F seriously (for a variety of reasons), but I do agree if Lockhart isn't coming this year it more or less locks XSX to $500.

Bligtgate said:
So maybe those dev kit at 12.5 or even 13TF are on a GCN vega architectures?? Well who knows
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That's what I've been thinking. The numbers that've been thrown around so far, when you convert them to RDNA, come into agreement with the leaks. Which line up with either a 40CU Oberon clocked above 2GHz, or a 48CU Oberon clocked around 1.8GHz - 2GHz.

But there's no chip in existence that's been found so far both related to PS5 and showing anything higher than 40CUs. Maybe one will surface soon (hopefully), but it hasn't yet, and the fact several confirmed products have emerged matching the benchmarks puts them very high on being accurate (arguably the most accurate) representations of products from AMD's upcoming product line IMHO, including both next-gen consoles.
 
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Gamernyc78 said:
Yes thy did no game showed the true potential of the Xbox x or ps4pro bcus thy were built around weaker consoles. Games aren't just about better resolution.
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I would disagree. I agree in the sense we didn't see new gameplay loops or design. But I would agree that was held back by the CPU. I would also argue PS Pro and Xbox One X was design for 4K gaming and Entertainment. Which they succeeded at. They wasn't designed to be a new Generation of gaming. As Xbox Series X and PSV are.
 
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Captain Hero said:
Every Xbox fan after MS showed the TF .. power is power ..


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But Sony's fan is like :

Knowledge is power


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And at the moment Sony fans have absolutely no knowledge on PS5 other than it's official logo.
 
Norse said:
And at the moment Sony fans have absolutely no knowledge on PS5 other than it's official logo.
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Let alone the general Consumer. You can only imagine how many people out there that don't even know these Consoles are being talked about yet. Seriously curious on their respective marketing approach this time around.
 
Norse said:
And at the moment Sony fans have absolutely no knowledge on PS5 other than it's official logo.
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Bro, how can you forget the megaton haptic feedback and 3D audio! Can't wait for the next wired article to highlight the usb speed.

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
The only way it makes sense:

Four times PS4 Pro = 4 x 4 = 16 TF (GCN) ------ which isn't strictly true, since the Pro is 4.2TF
Over 8 times base PS4 = 8.88889 x 1.8 = 16 TF (GCN)

16TF GCN == 12.8TF RDNA ------ equivalent performance in RDNA since PS4/Pro were GCN.
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GCN conversion will be way to confusing to market. They'll stick with RDNA numbers just like MS.
 
Gamernyc78 said:
Yes thy did no game showed the true potential of the Xbox x or ps4pro bcus thy were built around weaker consoles. Games aren't just about better resolution.
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Whate'er thy thoughts or thy heart's workings be,
Thy looks should nothing thence but sweetness tell.
How like Eve's apple doth thy beauty grow,
If thy sweet virtue answer not thy show.

(Seriously though, stop saying thy)
 
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JAMMA said:
Whate'er thy thoughts or thy heart's workings be,
Thy looks should nothing thence but sweetness tell.
How like Eve's apple doth thy beauty grow,
If thy sweet virtue answer not thy show.

(Seriously though, stop saying thy)
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What you Colbert now?
 
Technically, they don't have to follow protocol. They could announce any day they want, honestly.

Would be a bit odd to drop a reveal bomb on Super Tuesday, but who knows.

And who is to say they couldn't announce something via social media at any point during a weekend?

I think we're all a little desperate for them to talk, if only just to put the speculation to rest and maybe, just maybe, alleviate the fear that is slowly manifesting regarding this virus all over the news by seeing something we enjoy and look forward to
 
Self High Five said:
GCN conversion will be way to confusing to market. They'll stick with RDNA numbers just like MS.
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Most consumers don't even know how much TF the consoles have.
Only the enthusiasts in these forums give importance.
The key to marketing is price and software for the mass market.
 
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The funny thing with the while gcn conversion is that it is based on vega gcn vs rdna 1.0 gcn tflops. We know that polaris gcn wasn't the same as vega gcn and we are ignoring any arch improvements that might result from the move to rdna 2.0.

If Sony is targeting 3x the pro, it will be 12.9 tflops. 4x would be 17.2 tflops. All this rdna vs gcn vs vega gcn vs rdna 2.0 stuff is only for tech geeks on the pc side. Mainstream Console gamers barely even care about tflops.
 
A little off topic but somehow related. After installing the latest XboneX update, it's much faster now. I noticed it when I turned it on. It booted up instantly. Like barely a second. It's usually noticeably more than that, maybe 5-6 secs? They did a great job with this one and honestly felt like I installed a SSD. Took me by surprise. Very impressed by this and can't imagine how the next consoles with all their fast CPUs, SSD and RAM will look like. Credit where it's due.

Edit: Forgot to mention this is with Instant On. It still was slower before with this on.
 
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JMB88 said:
Most consumers don't even know how much TF the consoles have.
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- Most consumers as in most of 100m people who bought a PS4? Agreed...but if you look at the PS4 sales figures for the first two years of of it's life span only a fraction of the total userbase bought it early....and they likely care about the specs

JMB88 said:
Only the enthusiasts in these forums give importance.
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- Who do you think are spending $399/$499 within the first year of a console's lifespan with the worst game library of its existence?

JMB88 said:
The key to marketing is price and software for the mass market.
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- Yes but it's not 2024. Sony is trying to sell this thing in 2020 when the software is at its worst and the price is at its most expensive....so who do you think will actually buy a PS5 this holiday (hint...enthusiasts that are on social media aka forums)

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Who mentioned anything about marketing?

Tommy Fischer isn't Sony and I don't think his latest post is referencing some upcoming Sony PR.
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If you have been paying attention his post literally mirror's Phil Spencer's talking points since the Series X console reveal (which is why he made the post in the first place) It's In laymen terms on how the successor of a console will be superior, but you added weird necessary GCN conversion that won't obviously be used in any metric (Sony PR, Digital Foundry, whatever) when it is revealed.
 
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Self High Five said:
If you have been paying attention his post literally mirror's Phil Spencer's talking points since the Series X console reveal (which is why he made the post in the first place) It's In laymen terms on how the successor of a console will be superior, but you added weird necessary GCN conversion that won't obviously be used in any metric (Sony PR, Digital Foundry, whatever) when it is revealed.
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I added a GCN equivalence factor because last gen consoles are GCN and because 16TF RDNA is absurd.

My attempt to make sense of Tommy Fischer's post has nothing to do with Sony/MS marketing, and neither does Tommy's original post.

Whatever Sony announces for PS5, it will simply not be as high as 16TF. So assuming Tommy's post takes into account achitectural efficiencies is the only way to make sense of it... (without presuming it's bullshit, which it could very well be).

I don't get why you're insisting that a post by an anonymous poster on Gaf is going to be used by Sony when announcing the PS5. It isn't.

If Tommy's post is true, and my math is correct, Sony will simply announce 12.8TF.
 
Self High Five said:
- Most consumers as in most of 100m people who bought a PS4? Agreed...but if you look at the PS4 sales figures for the first two years of of it's life span only a fraction of the total userbase bought it early....and they likely care about the specs



- Who do you think are spending $399/$499 within the first year of a console's lifespan with the worst game library of its existence?



- Yes but it's not 2024. Sony is trying to sell this thing in 2020 when the software is at its worst and the price is at its most expensive....so who do you think will actually buy a PS5 this holiday (hint...enthusiasts that are on social media aka forums)
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Of course, the vast majority of early adopters are enthusiasts, I don't deny that.

In turn, I don't believe that a difference in TF (unless significant) is decisive with respect to sales. Enthusiasts look a lot at the exclusives, unlike the casual ones that buy a console to play fifa, cod and madden.

Therefore, I believe that exclusive games have a large percentage of purchase decision at the beginning of the generation.

Another is in which ecosystem your friends are. And brand positioning in each region is another factor that influences.

And what I was referring to is that the large number of consoles sold, which are mostly casual, don't know what tf are, nor do I think it's a criterion at the time of purchase. In this case the price influences much more than the power.
 
JMB88 said:
Of course, the vast majority of early adopters are enthusiasts, I don't deny that.

In turn, I don't believe that a difference in TF (unless significant) is decisive with respect to sales. Enthusiasts look a lot at the exclusives, unlike the casual ones that buy a console to play fifa, cod and madden.
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On the contrary, casuals might enjoy a great looking cinematic experience provided by a top notch exclusive for some relaxing entertainment (sh*ts & giggle with friends/family whilst playing on story mode difficulty). Meanwhile from experience, I'd say those COD & Fifa players are some of the most literal hardcore enthusiast gamers you'll ever encounter, especially the first person shooter crowd. It's all about performance & online infrastructure. They spend hours upon hours playing multiplayer everyday & become experts at destroying casuals who might casually venture into a multiplayer match.

We'll see a lot of downplaying the power differential (if it's indeed evident), but it does matter to a lot of people. Xbox would get a large bulk of their lost 360 player base back if they have a reasonably priced console which is more powerful than the ps5.
 
When the PS4 specs were announced, all of my PS3 buddies switched to PS4 (of course). But almost all of my Xbox 360 buddies did as well, because "more power".

There are some people out there, who want to play Fifa on the strongest console on TV with their friends. So I think anything is always possible.

PS: hate Fifa.
 
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Bo_Hazem said:
Let's see how football players are doing:
If I were Sony, I would either buy the FIFA IP from EA or PES IP from Konami. The later seems much more easier.
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On the one hand I'm always a bit bitter when seeing Sony sponsor Champion's League or having an alliance with Activision for Call of Duty because I'm not interested in those games. But then I think how all those millions of people who bought those games brought a lot of income to Sony which can in turn spend it on my LTOUs and HZDs and especially new, risky IPs, So I consider it money well invested.

Bo_Hazem said:
She might need to quit using iPhones :messenger_winking_tongue: You should minimize wireless things for your own health, especially out of use times or when sleeping. Especially for pregnancy and infants. Be safe!
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I can see about 30+ WiFi networks right now when I open network scan on my laptop. My joypads, headphones, kb+m are all wireless because I hate cable clutter. I think my environment is giving me cancer in steady doses with or without a wireless charger.
 
ruvikx said:
On the contrary, casuals might enjoy a great looking cinematic experience provided by a top notch exclusive for some relaxing entertainment (sh*ts & giggle with friends/family whilst playing on story mode difficulty). Meanwhile from experience, I'd say those COD & Fifa players are some of the most literal hardcore enthusiast gamers you'll ever encounter, especially the first person shooter crowd. It's all about performance & online infrastructure. They spend hours upon hours playing multiplayer everyday & become experts at destroying casuals who might casually venture into a multiplayer match.

We'll see a lot of downplaying the power differential (if it's indeed evident), but it does matter to a lot of people. Xbox would get a large bulk of their lost 360 player base back if they have a reasonably priced console which is more powerful than the ps5.
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Yes, they really have an exacerbated enthusiasm when playing fifa, cod and madden. But I would bet everything I have that 70% of that user base doesn't play exclusives. The majority of people I know who play fifa, who almost don't know the exclusives of any of the 2 consoles or if they know them, aren't interested, but what they do is buy the same sports game every year.


Regarding the last thing you said, I don't know if you didn't read me or I didn't express myself correctly. But don't minimize power per se, I said that if the power gap is not "substantial," nobody will care. Let's see, if there is a difference of 1 or 0.5 TF, the difference in performance in the real world is not going to be relevant.

In that case I think the exclusives will have a better criterion for enthusiasts.

One buys a console to play games, not to open the box and contemplate the gpu. By this I don't mean that exclusive of one console is better than the other, because that is completely subjective.

And yes, Xbox should have better performance in its markets where it has a better brand positioning, such as USA / UK
 
FeiRR said:
On the one hand I'm always a bit bitter when seeing Sony sponsor Champion's League or having an alliance with Activision for Call of Duty because I'm not interested in those games. But then I think how all those millions of people who bought those games brought a lot of income to Sony which can in turn spend it on my LTOUs and HZDs and especially new, risky IPs, So I consider it money well invested.


I can see about 30+ WiFi networks right now when I open network scan on my laptop. My joypads, headphones, kb+m are all wireless because I hate cable clutter. I think my environment is giving me cancer in steady doses with or without a wireless charger.
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I rarely play FIFA/PES and mostly if we gather as friends. But yes, although it's being multiplat people tend to play on whatever their friends play on (PS/xbox), and seeing your "idols" playing PS instead makes it an easier choice. ;)

And for wireless, at least you better close everything before sleeping, wireless is convenient but those things penetrate our bodies and could make damage overtime :messenger_ok: :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
ethomaz said:
Xbox One doesn't shut off while connected to energy... it is still in a standby mode... it is a lesser stand by mode than Instant Resume? Yes but it is still in stand by.

The only way to shut down and do a cold boot with Xbox One is removing the power cable from the energy line.
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You can actually turn off the Xbox by holding the logo power button for 10 seconds.
 
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