THE:MILKMAN
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Harsh but likely true for the most part. I do think one or two have contacts, though.
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Harsh but likely true for the most part. I do think one or two have contacts, though.
FeiRR
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I thought we started with Microsoft's strategy for next gen and how cloud computing fits that narrative? I don't know what MS board of management's (or their shareholders') goals are. I'm sure they're ambitious and 20 m subs won't be enough. I think they want much more, especially when you consider how many titles are available in XGP for the asked price.
Again, we don't know how much they expect. For me personally XGP doesn't work well. I'm about to end the 3-month promo period and I've already cancelled it. The regular price is around 15 EUR (I can't tell exactly as exchange rates have soared due to COVID-19). In those three months, I've finished 3 games. I don't like the idea of titles rotating because I don't have that much time to play. I was playing Prey (great game, BTW) and then a message popped up that the game was leaving XGP soon. So I devoted more time to it, just to be able to finish on time. The worst thing was, there was no detailed info WHEN the game was leaving so I spent a few evenings rushing it a bit. It's not the way I enjoy games. I'd prefer to buy Prey and keep it.
As for MS exclusives, most of them just don't appeal to me. I tried what was available in XGP and I enjoyed only Ori, the rest was just a waste of time. IF Xbox game studios start delivering, I'll reconsider their offer. Right now I have no reason to hold my breath. The only games they've announced so far are more sequels. I mean, it's okay if you like those franchises but what about attracting a wider audience?
I can use RemotePlay and have a 1080p streamed from home. We've been able to do that for 5 or so years. That's why xCloud isn't anything to be excited about for a Playstation gamer. I personally don't feel the appeal of playing games when I'm not at home. I sold Switch because I wasn't using it much and it was a much better solution to play away than any streaming solution prone to lags and signal problems.
Besides, if you want to play while away, I'd expect to use LTE, not broadband. Do you have unlimited data plan too? I do but I know it's not a norm. 5 GB/h is quite unthinkable to waste on mobile for most people.
Age is just a number. If you fight for a plastic box, you're a teenager
They're just covering their asses. PC footage, PS logo, Sony's ninjas must've got mad.
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Shmunter
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Yeah sure. But to be fair to the game itself. It looks excellent, the mood and immersion. Totally recommend it. It would be a great first time on PS5 or XsX.
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Bonsaibäumchen
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This! Stadia doesn't work for me because I can't use it anywhere. I have to be at my home or a friends home with wifi. Here in Germany we don't have unlimited mobile data also our mobil network sucks balls. I mean really, fucking 3rd world countries have better mobile network then germany.
Maybe things will change with 5G and Starlink, if and once that happens. But for now, streaming games just sucks.
SportsFan581
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In the desktop space there is often some trickery in the sequential read numbers. Especially for drives that use a dram cache. The dram cache can often deliver data faster than the nand modules, and as a result sequential read performance drops if more data is read than the max size of the dram cache. This is something that really hit Samsung in the past. Both Sony and MS seemed to be focused on sustained speeds; hopefully, speeds are consistent in both.
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chemical boy
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It may be a good game but graphically Godfall is a mediocre game.
B_Boss
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I think deep down, there's "Nintendo" somewhere in every gamer and I say this strictly referring to the games and it's past. I think many Nintendo fanboys I've come across personally know very well that they can't hold up untruths such as Nintendo having powerhouse consoles, etc., and they don't need to. For them, it's strictly about the games and how much one enjoys them at the end of the day.....oddly as it should be.....to some extent
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ResilientBanana
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Posted this in an SSD thread, thought it made sense here:
Honestly, Microsoft has been on top of compression for some time now. It's also mentioned that Microsoft has dedicated hardware for Compression / Decompression. With the datasets below factoring in hardware bassed compression for the cloud in a small PCI form factor, I'm sure including this technology in the XSX will help massive datasets move in a short period of time. I'm speculating that maybe Microsoft doesn't need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
www.servethehome.com
Honestly, Microsoft has been on top of compression for some time now. It's also mentioned that Microsoft has dedicated hardware for Compression / Decompression. With the datasets below factoring in hardware bassed compression for the cloud in a small PCI form factor, I'm sure including this technology in the XSX will help massive datasets move in a short period of time. I'm speculating that maybe Microsoft doesn't need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
Microsoft Project Corsica ASIC Delivers 100Gbps Zipline Performance
Built by Broadcom and Microsoft, the new Project Corsica ASIC is designed to deliver 100Gbps Zipline compression and encryption offload performance
www.servethehome.com
A joint project between Broadcom and Microsoft, Project Corsica takes the project's logic and turns it into an ASIC capable of handling 100Gbps of encryption/ compression. The ASIC is found on a relatively simple PCIe x16 card (required at Gen3 speeds for 100Gbps) showing why such an approach can yield huge benefits. The companies claim that the ASIC is 15-25 times faster than doing the same work on a CPU leading to substantially lower latency.
SportsFan581
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The guy builds one hypothetical scenario, it's not the end of the world. At the very start of every gen, the company that can build more units wins (initially). The whole Sony can produce more of the smaller APUs myth is unproven at this point, it depends how close they are to the max sustained clocks of RDNA 2 (the closer they are to peak clocks the more chips they throw away). MS could have started mass production earlier as well, a lot of variables. We'll have to see how things shake out.
The ps reveal footage is apparently inengine PS5. The gameplay footage from Jan was said to be PC footage from 1 year back.
Fake
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Indeed. Is just like showing CoD Ghosts for PS4/Xbox at launch.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Games dont matter to MS or MS fans like Ryan. They just want to see their company on top.
Anyone with half a brain can see Sony's first party output and realize a lot of their studios are due for a game in 2020-2021. GG, PD, SSM, Insomaniac, Bluepoint should all be on a 3-4 year cycle. That means we could be getting Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7, Demon Souls, GoW and Spiderman 2 between holiday 2020 and holiday 2021. Even if a couple of those games get delayed into spring, thats still a formidable lineup.
Meanwhile 343 is working on a current gen game. Coalition just shipped Gears in late 2019. Rare is making a current gen game. Ninja theory just released a current gen game. Obsisdian released a game six months ago. Crackdown team just shipped a game a year ago. the State of Decay team should have 3 years by May 2021, but thats an indie studio. None of these teams are ready to launch games in 2021, let alone 2020.
That leaves the the two racing games studios. I think Forza 8 launches this year and should be the only next gen game at launch. Playground games should be on the same schedule as Insomniac after having launched a game in fall 2018, but they are making a new IP, an RPG for the first time, while insomniac has hit the ground running and working on a sequel with all the main pieces set in stone.
If I was an xbox fan, i would be really worried. I definitely wouldnt be going on twitter bigging them up for getting messaging right. Who cares about messaging when you have no games to play. what is he a stockholder? There is a small chance these studios have secret teams working on next gen games all this time, but we all know how multiple teams worked out at Sony studios.
With all that said, I do agree with him that Sony dropped the ball by not revealing the console early enough. their secrecy and procrastination came back to bite them in the ass thanks to the coronavirus. All they had to do was hold PSX in December before the VGAs, or a PSM in Feb, but they sat on their asses for those crucial two months and here we are in April constantly reading Bloomberg articles spreading FUD, reading Windows Central articles spreading FUD and seeing IGN spread the same FUD on twitter. If it wasnt for Sony allowing this fear, doubt and uncertainty to take hold, they wouldnt be able to spread it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol yep. It's their Fish AI moment. Absolutely bizarre.
xool
Member
I don't think either quoted read sizes either - is there a standard (?) .. ( also I seemed to remember hearing that Xbox was using a DRAM cacheless SSD, writing straight to main RAM and using that as a cache maybe .. just a rumor ?) .. non of this matters that much - Sony has a clear advantage SSD wise (2x or better), no question about it unless you are insane.
Question is how will that impact games - even shorter load times when load times are already short may not be that great (5 s load screen vs 2s ..) .. maybe on Sony first party will truly take advantage of it in terms of gameplay .. if/when they do it could be impressive - the obvious thing is traversal speed - games will need to be built around it to benefit - if xbox SSD is the de-factor lower limit standard it doesn't help Sony..
Darius87
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where did you get 100GB from? can you quote phill?Posted this in an SSD thread, thought it made sense here:
Honestly, Microsoft has been on top of compression for some time now. It's also mentioned that Microsoft has dedicated hardware for Compression / Decompression. With the datasets below factoring in hardware bassed compression for the cloud in a small PCI form factor, I'm sure including this technology in the XSX will help massive datasets move in a short period of time. I'm speculating that maybe Microsoft doesn't need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
Microsoft Project Corsica ASIC Delivers 100Gbps Zipline Performance
Built by Broadcom and Microsoft, the new Project Corsica ASIC is designed to deliver 100Gbps Zipline compression and encryption offload performance
100gbps / 8 = 12.5GB/s
IllegalLemon
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I think McCaffrey is full of shit and it's evident right from the get-go. He leans and latches way too much on Bloomberg's predictions which have been proven to be wrong address many times it's not even funny at this point. I guess he has forgotten the fact that there's one company out that mass produces both consoles and if you haven't heard of it, it's called Foxconn and i guess he hasn't yet grasped the fact that this pandemic has hampered the operation of more than a dozen assembly lines, Tsmc was affected and so was Samsung and I'm pretty sure Foxconn is not impervious to all the same things because at the end of the day the company has hundreds of employees working for it and they are humans just like us, they can get affected too. If the PS5 production will be reduced then what makes Ryan think that the Series X will be in a better position (spoiler alert: it'll likely be produced in the same capacity). Lastly the 1.33 trillion he mentioned is not the money Microsoft has pocketed, it's their net worth which is how much the entire company is valued at, people should quit latching into that number to tell how much Microsoft has, the amount they have pocketed is something along the lines of 250-300 billion. I kinda wish i could've wrote more here, but it's turning into an essay and i have better things to do.
BluRayHiDef
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What happened to Little Big Planet?
xool
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Nowhere does he say production is affected by the virus. He notes that Sony is going to produce a set amount and speculates that MS could set price lower and make an order for more units to be manufactured - potentially getting more market share in the first year.
xool
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Developers spent the last gen making Dreams.
sircaw
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Was Ryan Mccaffery the chap that tweeted something about Ms have no games or something a year or two back? He then removed the tweet/image and apologised.. You would of thought it should of be Microsoft saying sorry for no games, not the the other way around.
Hard to take him seriously.
Hard to take him seriously.
ResilientBanana
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From here:
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
news.xbox.com
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No, I am excited about cloud gaming in general. If either Microsoft or Sony would offer me all games in cloud with a picture quality of 80-90% of a local console I would sign up for either or both services right away and than I wouldn´t buy a stationary console anymore.
No, I don´t have an unlimited plan, but we are getting there. At the moment ~20Gb plan costs like 20-40€, ~40Gb plan is around 40-60€ and unlimited about 70-80€. During the next 2-3 Years we expect unlimited to cost like 40-50€ and than it would be fine, at least for me.
I am often at friends and familys places. There I have broadband and it would be great just to play any game with them and nobody would have to buy them first.
Imtjnotu
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Bro I love how you have Zelda as your avatarYes, we will do that for a long time... I am not really holding my breath on this one
xool
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That's not what happened, but somebody had a sense of humor failure
btw I think it was this :
Darius87
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this has nothing to do with project corsicaFrom here:
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
sircaw
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Yer that's it, could not recall exactly what it was but i remember their being some sort of drama attached to it.That's not what happened, but somebody had a sense of humor failure
btw I think it was this :
ResilientBanana
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Soon we might be able to add PC.That's not what happened, but somebody had a sense of humor failure
btw I think it was this :
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Okay, so I was referencing the binary system instead of decibel, maybe that's because 99% of consumer drives reference binary? You can forgive me for making the common assumption, ffs.
Yes I know NAND has different speeds, I know there's 2D and 3D NAND, SLC and MLC are usually considered 2D, TLC and QLC are considered 3D it just references the amount of bits that can be stored per cell, yada yada.
At least you clarified what you trying to say earlier. No need for smartass retorts, I never claimed to be a professed expert when it comes to the NAND market. Quite frankly wasn't aware there was 3D TLC or QLC NAND modules at those bandwidth figures; most of the documentation I find of the NAND modules from wholesale sites and even some of the official manufacturer sites don't necessarily list the MT amounts.
Neofire
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The bloomberg piece by itself can go either way but the way this guy jumped head first into conjuring up how he thinks it's factual and that it would basically hand Microsoft a victory/spewing out how much they were worth etc.
Last I checked Microsoft was worth all of that in 2013 and didn't undercut or at least match the ps4s price , coming off the heels of the 360 but want to do it now all of sudden. Right....
The more the read his tweets you can tell he hopes this is what happens and it's like he's sending out a hint to Microsoft, if this is true about Sony producing limited units with a 500 price point.
ResilientBanana
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Project Zipline or Corsica could be the basis of whatever technology is in the XSX regarding the hardware based decompression block. Why woulnd't they utilize their own technology in that regard? They wouldn't start from scratch with proven techonology under their belt, would they?
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
news.xbox.com
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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MS wasn't worth $1.33 trillion in 2013, but they were worth a lot that's fair.
However, keep in mind the original XBO team were pretty arrogant. They probably didn't feel a need to drop the price, as just reneging on the DRM and always-online policies, and bumping up the GPU clock slightly, was enough. And for a few months, it was.
But trouble came hitting as soon as early 2014, shortly after Titanfall came out, and it didn't boost the system the way so many were hoping and wishing it would.
BluRayHiDef
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Hopefully they revive the franchise.
MasterCornholio
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Shmunter
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Pic quality Im sure is doable, as are the library features. But latency is the kicker.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Well it seems to me that it depends on how much time devs had to work on the games up until launch considering the PS4 launched in November 2013
That's alright honestly. The issue is when that bias potentially (and negatively) affects your work as a journalist I'd say.
Maybe? I was of the mind that GT6 should've at least gotten an early-gen port to PS4, there wasn't much reason not to, as that game got buried by PS4's launch.
Aside of that, it's kind of a given rule that the more time a dev has on a game before its launch, the better chance it can be a polished, great thing. But this can go with virtually any developer. My point was just to dispel this notion PS4 had GOW 4 or Horizon-tier 1st party games in big amounts every year since its launch.
When you look back on what games would qualify at that level, and see the actual releases per year, you get maybe two of such games in the four years from 2013 to 2017, which is when the floodgates opened for their 1st-party in terms of consistent heavy-hitting bangers that set eyes on notice across the industry.
chemical boy
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Sony must go with everything. Otherwise PS5 will crash. We are in a unique situation, with a brutal world crisis, Sony must show starter games that really leave people with their mouths open. Otherwise very few will pay 500 euros given the world situation.
For most people 30 or 60 fps, 2k or 4K do not care we need to see games that leave us thinking "this really is a true new generation leap, this is impossible on ps4". Games like Godfall can go at 4k and 60fps but for the vast majority of the public they do not represent a jump compared to what was seen on ps4.
For most people 30 or 60 fps, 2k or 4K do not care we need to see games that leave us thinking "this really is a true new generation leap, this is impossible on ps4". Games like Godfall can go at 4k and 60fps but for the vast majority of the public they do not represent a jump compared to what was seen on ps4.
Shmunter
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Sony will deliver a game that is the closest to cgi we've seen. Studios like naughty dog have just been hanging out for this sort of new tech. When Cerny says he talked to devs and asked what they'd like to see from a console, you can bet the best studios were on that list.
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sircaw
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I am really looking forward to Horizon zero dawn 2, the first game was good but was far from perfect.
Saying that, its the engine they used that i really liked, the scale, the graphics, how smooth it felt, were just incredible. In some ways i think Gorilla Games is more of a tech studio than a games studio, That probably sounds abit unfair on them, they are very talented but that's the game, the engine that i want to see the most.
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I don't think shareholders have anything to complain about under Nadella's reign. And Phil himself said that he had the backing of Nadella (CEO) and the CFO. So I guess what he wanted to say was "The Xbox division has more dough than ever before"
Agnostic2020
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Guys what the fuck
5/5 is a Tuesday
March fifth is a random tuesday where sony can unveil ps5.
5/5 for PS5 reveal.
Believe
5/5 is a Tuesday
March fifth is a random tuesday where sony can unveil ps5.
5/5 for PS5 reveal.
Believe
Wandering Leopard
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Posted this in an SSD thread, thought it made sense here:
Honestly, Microsoft has been on top of compression for some time now. It's also mentioned that Microsoft has dedicated hardware for Compression / Decompression. With the datasets below factoring in hardware bassed compression for the cloud in a small PCI form factor, I'm sure including this technology in the XSX will help massive datasets move in a short period of time. I'm speculating that maybe Microsoft doesn't need a ton of bandwidth to accomplish what Sony is. This could also be the reason why Phil mentions that the developers can get 100GB instantly. Microsoft was able to accomplish this without CPU latency at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
Microsoft Project Corsica ASIC Delivers 100Gbps Zipline Performance
Built by Broadcom and Microsoft, the new Project Corsica ASIC is designed to deliver 100Gbps Zipline compression and encryption offload performance
I'm not convinced at the moment, I think there's a reason MS haven't clarified what they mean by "instantly" ie the GB/s for that 100GB.
But who knows, maybe after they release more information about BCpack.
Darius87
Member
if it would we already bee seeing ms touting and shouting 12.5GB/s or more.Project Zipline or Corsica could be the basis of whatever technology is in the XSX regarding the hardware based decompression block. Why woulnd't they utilize their own technology in that regard? They wouldn't start from scratch with proven techonology under their belt, would they?
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
also you misinterpreted phills word about 100GB.
here quote:
there's big difference between yours and phill's statement.
Wandering Leopard
Member
That was my interpretation too (my post from another thread):
- That 100GB can only refer to the approximate size of a next game - at least, it's the only way I can interpret it by reading the full quote/paragraph:
The form factor is cute, the 2.4GB/s of guaranteed throughput is impressive, but it's the software APIs and custom hardware built into the SoC that deliver what Microsoft believes to be a revolution - a new way of using storage to augment memory (an area where no platform holder will be able to deliver a more traditional generational leap). The idea, in basic terms at least, is pretty straightforward - the game package that sits on storage essentially becomes extended memory, allowing 100GB of game assets stored on the SSD to be instantly accessible by the developer. It's a system that Microsoft calls the Velocity Architecture and the SSD itself is just one part of the system.
- That reads to me as simply describing the function of an SSD (which doesn't have seek times) - of course with improved custom functionality added by MS.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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You're arguing semantics at this point. Also, he's implying that they are using Project Corisca as a basis for what they're doing in XSX, not that they are actually that version of Project Corisca.
I'm in agreement that they are likely leveraging at least some of that work with Velocity Architecture, there's no reason to honestly cast doubt on that front. I mean we want the best performance for both systems in all aspects, that would include SSD and I/O correct?
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Neo Blaster
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To complain from Nadella, of course not, MS as a whole is doing quite well. But to complain from Phil and Xbox division, definitely. They must really have a lot of dough to subside Gamepass, and I think Phil's got Nadella's backing after saying he would bring mobile market using Xcloud. So, I think they are extremely dependent on the success of their streaming service, because I don't think Gamepass subsiding will last forever.
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Darius87
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that's basically 100GB allocation for streaming assets from ssd not 100Gb/s
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Metroiddarks
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I heard the other guy ... is so boringOh yes, this guy and the other Greg Miller (PS guy) who isn´t at IGN anymore were the biggest fanboys of each console
FeiRR
Banned
I get unlimited everything for 15 EUR/month from T-Mobile. Isn't it a German company? They should have a similar offer in their own country.
Aceofspades
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If PS5 is gonna crash? Then what would happen to Xbox? Double crash? Crash even more?
Why people speaking like this pandemic is only affecting PS5?
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