Neo Blaster
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Because Smart Delivery is just a fancy word for crossbuy, and publishers doing the same thing on PS5 is just common sense.
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jasondefaoite
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Shamelessly stolen from places of which we do not speak.
Plus take with required amounts of salt as usual.
There is no way Malaysia is running production at full capacity. The country is still in lockdown. Factories are only getting permission to reopen this week, and even then, it will be with a significantly reduced staff % on premises, maybe 20%.
China is possible though.
MasterCornholio
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Um we don't decide what happens to you it's the moderators that do. All we do with a report is bring the content to the mods attention. They are the ones who decide if the report is legitimate or not.
As long as you're not doing anything dumb you shouldn't be worried about report.
An example of something stupid would be making those really dumb sarcastic comments which don't really contribute anything positive to this thread.
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MasterCornholio
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Didn't Lisa say something along the lines that Mark Cerny was going to revolutionize consoles?
In the end I think it's just mostly just marketing speech and some people are taking it too seriously.
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THE:MILKMAN
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I have no idea of the logistics of what is made where but could it be that only the SoC is made in Malaysia (TSMC) and these are sent to China (Foxconn?) where the console is assembled? I would think TSMC is one place (entirely clean roomed) that could remain open throughout the pandemic?
I wonder how many consoles get made a day/week/month at full capacity? Try and work out how many consoles they could have for a theoretical September launch.
DeepEnigma
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Even though it's already happened with both the PS4 and the Pro. But now... BUT NOW, we have gamer amnesia.
Neo_game
Member
I think this gen devs were allowed to using 4.5 and later on it was 5.5GB of RAM. I do not see any reason why programmer should be limited to use only 10GB this time around ? SSD will help and in anycase PS5 has a big advantage in that regards.
According to the author of this blog Xbox RAM setup is not ideal and he thinks PS5 has advantage in spite of little slower GPU
https://hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com/2020/03/analyse-this-next-gen-consoles-part-9.html
He also wrote another article:
http://hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com/2020/04/analyse-this-next-gen-consoles-part-10_11.html
TBiddy
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So no official word, what so ever. Just your "common sense" and some random guy on Twitter.
Neo Blaster
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Do you really think publishers would do that for SX only? Are you that delusional?
Agnostic2020
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Ps4 pro in 2016 had features from 2017 amd card vega(like fp16) and x1x in 2017 didnt even have it. Now xsx will have it. So yes sony has done it before .
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TBiddy
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Skip the personal insults, please.
I assume Microsoft is paying for the privilege. Why would publishers hand out next gen games for free if they could get people to double dip?
Neo Blaster
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Huh, for the same reason they offered free patches for the midgen consoles?
jasondefaoite
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I could be wrong, but a quick check shows TSMC doesn't have any fab in Malaysia.
TBiddy
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DeepEnigma
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They are not handing out "next gen" games for free, they're just applying an upgrade patch to CROSS GEN games, just like they do now on the 1X and Pro since those systems will be BC, just like the 1X and Pro are BC with the base models.
Microsoft just found a way to market what both them and Sony have always been doing.
I know that you know this, you're more intelligent than that and you're just playing semantics game. Come on, man.
Demon2blades
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Question is Why do you think they wouldn't offer something they already offered the start of this gen ? , Don't need an official word for that of course they are going to offer patches for next gen consoles both will .
THE:MILKMAN
Member
That seems to be correct but all recent console chips have the following printed on the dies:
Diffused in Taiwan
Made in Malaysia
Some big factory in Malaysia must be making the SoCs!?
SportsFan581
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The poster makes a lot of incorrect assumptions regarding memory flow on a unified system. If MS could have gotten better performance from a cheaper 8 * 2 configuration, they would have gone that way.
Neo Blaster
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Totally different architectures, wouldn't even be possible. But go on, I have my 'common sense', you think MS came with a new type of exclusivity besides time and marketing. We'll see who is right.
FranXico
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Is the PS3 hardware x86 based?
jasondefaoite
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If there is, 100% it's been closed for the last 4 weeks, and will only reopen this week with a significantly reduced staff.
TBiddy
Member
They could've easily provided a code of sorts. They didn't. They wanted people to double dip.
FranXico
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How pro-consumer if so!
MasterCornholio
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PowerPC if I'm not mistaken.
SportsFan581
Member
What difference does that even make?
Didn't PS4 have releases like this as well?
Granted there was no performance improvement, but still. R* resold GTAV because they could, hw back compat makes that less profitable.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I know, that is a trap worse than not boasting.Boasting about something that people fail to see and/or understand.
xHunter
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What difference does that even make?
Didn't PS4 have releases like this as well?
pretty sure thats backwards compatibility and not the same thing they are discussing
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FranXico
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He asked for a patch.What difference does that even make?
Didn't PS4 have releases like this as well?
And no, there was no official PS3 emulator for the PS4. So, you couldn't play PS3 discs in it.
But some digital games had cross-buy between PS3, PSVita and PS4.
Around launch, I think there were cheap "upgrade" vouchers for downloading the PS4 version.
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Neo Blaster
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You mean, a crossbuy like Sony had for select PS4/PS3/PSVITA games? Yes, they could, but they didn't want to. The difference for now is that the next gen version will probably be just a patch, no need to provide discs for each version.
Fake
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Neither PS3 or Xbox 360. Just current gen started with x86
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icerock
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Matt, who is a mod on other site said, Sony have similar offering akin to smart-delivery. Maybe someone can dig up that post.
They haven't ascribed a nomenclature for it, or they have, we just don't know it yet. Expect a confirmation to arrive whenever they do a full-reveal event for PS5. Cross-buy across both digital/physical purchase have been a feature for a while now on PS4/PS3/PSVita, so the precedent is there.
TBiddy
Member
Didn't you have to pay 10$ to upgrade your PS3 games to the PS4 version?
It might or might not be a patch. It could be two very different games, who knows.
We will see. I doubt publishers will do it for free.
Neo_game
Member
He gave the example of Nvidia trying this RAM configuration previously. Just like Sony had to compromise RAM speed from 16ghz but decided to go with 14ghz. May be this was not originally planned by Microsoft either having this unusual setup ?
THE:MILKMAN
Member
If that is the case then I guess it being in full production last week isn't the case then.
I have now found an article from just last month that looked into exactly this question of where the chips are made:
The story behind how Malaysia ended up making the CPUs of the Xbox
[This article was originally published in 2020, and has since been updated to reflect current events.] Recently, the Xbox Series X digital - a more affordable version of the Xbox Series X - was announced, and tech YouTuber Austin Evans shared a picture of the console's processor chip on his X...
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FranXico
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Only third parties sold that option. On both PS4 and Xbox One. Remember that neither console launched with BC.
TBiddy
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Shouldn't we assume third parties will try that again, then? Unless Microsoft or Sony sponsors that for the players.
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Neo Blaster
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My point exactly, maybe CDPR and Ubisoft couldn't explicitly talk about that for PS5 because: a) MS has marketing exclusivity for these games; b) Sony will begin marketing their own new fancy crossbuy feature during official console reveal.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What difference does that even make?
Didn't PS4 have releases like this as well?
Granted there was no performance improvement, but still. R* resold GTAV because they could, hw back compat makes that less profitable.
Almost as if things haven't changed during the last seven years compared to day 0 launch, then with the mid gen refreshes being the trial course adopting that all-in-one ecosystem not unlike mobile and PC gaming.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Two big reasons why they'll do it for free
1. It took s great deal of effort to port a game from PS3 to PS4 and vice versa. That isn't the case this time. Its about as difficult as making a Pro patch or X patch.
2. We're in a live service era where stuff like continued free support and player retention is highly valued by pubs. Free next gen upgrades will be no exception.
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Before you even spoke, I had already answered.
Inventing a name for something that already exists (crossbuy PS Vita - PS3 - PS4, PS4 PRO patchs) is a good way of saying that another does not have it and encouraging FUD with it.
The reason the xbox is the way it is, MS is more concerned with feeding console wars on the internet with semantics, as opposed to delivering quality games that sell and make consoles sold too.
MS spent a whole year burping "true 4k" and it was time to deliver the games to show the power, nothing, most games are "4k fake dynamic checkboarding" with low budget game graphics.
MS prefers to talk rather than do.
With this marketing, she was clearly more interested in calling the PS4 PRO "fake" than delivering "true 4k" in her games.
The same will be repeated now, inventing a lot of ridiculous names to impress noobs, while the competition will do the same or better.
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Demon2blades
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Cod ghosts comes to mind you could upgrade to the PS4 version for £10 I think
SportsFan581
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If 8 *2 provided better performance at a cheaper price, they'd have gone that way. Comparing unified access to a video card is irrelevant. 99% of the time the GPU and CPU will not share memory cycles on either system, doing so comes at a severe bandwidth penalty (for the GPU) on both.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why not, they are already doing it for the competition, the games are BC, and nobody charged for a PS4 Pro patch and these smart delivery bundles are essentially those take a step further.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Any number of reason they would not mention "RDNA 3." Here's a few possibilities:
1. RDNA 3 feature set isn't set in stone yet so calling something an RDNA 3 feature would be a lie.
2. This was a developer talk and Cerny had a pre-determined list of things they were willing to talk about right then.
3. Even though these features might be super important to you, it's not on Sony's list of priorities.
I'm sure people can think of many more. Bottom line, features in consoles have been first to market before PC cards in the past so why would this be considered so important or devastating to one side or the other right now? Seems a bit silly.
Neo Blaster
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I would add that RDNA is a AMD's trademark, it's up to them to talk about it even though they have features co-developed with Sony.
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TBiddy
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I can give you one very good reason they won't do it for free. Money. Either the players will pay a small fee or Microsoft/Sony will. It makes no sense to work for free.
I have no interest in engaging in a petty console war with you.
I assume (as I wrote above) that Microsoft is paying Ubisoft and CDPR to release the 'patch' (call it what you want) for the people who bought the XB1 version.
I don't think it makes any sense to compare a mid-gen refresh with a next-gen release of new consoles. Why would Ubisoft or CDPR willingly give up the opportunity to sell their games twice, if they aren't getting paid by either Sony/Microsoft or the players?
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SportsFan581
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In a lot of instances the "patch" is going to be some tweaks to internal settings and higher resolution assets already crafted for PC. Seems like highway robbery to charge for that, but we'll see.
geordiemp
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TSMC is Taiwan, and Taiwan is fairly normal, so starting APU silicon will be for both consoles on 300 mm.
Its all the other stuff that is questionable.
M1chl
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Honestly, we don't even know full spec of RDNA 2, so I think that some device have features beyond would be preliminary. At least, I thinks so. And it's possible obviously, that it have feature set beyond, but that does not mean, that AMD use it.
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