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[Radical_3d]

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

PSPro punched above its wheight many times and has it specially good in terms of frame rate. And it was not only the FP16, there are features that are present in the PSPro that didn't end in an AMD GPU, like a tracking ID for every object.

 

[sircaw]

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

Sorry to say " but that's trying to move the goalpost's there"
The subject was about tech being there not what is deemed useful or not.

 

[Neo Blaster]

People promoting Smart Delivery like it was an awesome new tech probably never saw PSN crossbuy option for some PS4/PS3/PSVITA games. When I see them talking about how AC: Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will use it on SX, I always think 'c'mon, like the publisher wouldn't offer the same crossbuy on PS5'.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

The most annoying part is when ms told them not call their cpu jaguar in x1x reveal Richard refused to refer to cpu as jaguar and called it customized amd cpu.

When did MS tell them this? Do you even have proof of this claim?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

How do you know it wasn't used?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Hehe saying all that amounts to....

PS5 feature = RDNA3 feature
RDNA3 feature = PS5 feature

The order bares no consequence

It's harder for Xbox guys to understand that because they still think PS5 is RDNA 1 with RDNA 2 resources added. How could PS5 possibly have RDNA 3 tech(even though that's precedented)?

 

[CrysisFreak]

People promoting Smart Delivery like it was an awesome new tech probably never saw PSN crossbuy option for some PS4/PS3/PSVITA games. When I see them talking about how AC: Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will use it on SX, I always think 'c'mon, like the publisher wouldn't offer the same crossbuy on PS5'.

Some people legit think Sony is a villain and MS is some kind of action movie protagonist jfl.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Wow you are desperate to ignore reality

Xbox will have had the same opportunity if that makes you feel better about it

It comes down to efficiency again. In PS4 it used something like 2GB of its 5GB RAM available at any one time for the next ~30 seconds of gameplay with the rest being idle. In PS5 most of the available RAM can be used at any one time for every ~1 second of gameplay. Effectively it is like 6x PS4 RAM (~2GB versus 12/13GB).



RPM is a standard AMD feature isn't it, and is in both next-gen consoles? I'm sure it is there for good reason(s)

Doesn't matter what's that got to do with it ?
The tech was still there .

PSPro punched above its wheight many times and has it specially good in terms of frame rate. And it was not only the FP16, there are features that are present in the PSPro that didn't end in an AMD GPU, like a tracking ID for every object.

Sorry to say " but that's trying to move the goalpost's there"
The subject was about tech being there not what is deemed useful or not.

I didn't move goal posts, FP16 was brought up and I was truly wondering what benefit it provided. I currently game on a PS4 Pro and PC, so fanboy shame me all you want. the simple fact here is that there are so many biased people in this thread that will believe anything positive about PS5 from a Twitter post, when months ago these same people were boasting a 13TF monster that was going to put Microsoft out of business.

 

[M-V2]

Wait, people are believing this RDNA3 thing?

I don't care about the RDNA 3 thing but why make it sound impossible?? I mean it could be on both machines (ps5 and Xbox SX) such advanced features help the consoles in the long run so nothing wrong with that.

 

[Tamy]

People promoting Smart Delivery like it was an awesome new tech probably never saw PSN crossbuy option for some PS4/PS3/PSVITA games. When I see them talking about how AC: Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will use it on SX, I always think 'c'mon, like the publisher wouldn't offer the same crossbuy on PS5'.

random twitter guy. Doesn't mean it's true.
Ubisoft confirmed it for Xbox. Why didn't they say anything at all regarding PlayStation?

 

[MasterCornholio]

when months ago these same people were boasting a 13TF monster that was going to put Microsoft out of business.

All of Microsoft?

Nobody said that. Why don't you just stick with what people actually said instead of making stuff like that up?

Edit: And even if it was a 13TF beast the Xbox brand would still be around.

 

[Neo Blaster]

So what? Sony can't reveal RDNA3 features until next year when RDNA3 cards are revealed? C'mon now, this is getting out of control.

Because they won't say 'RDNA 3' when talking about them. It's up to AMD to pick them up from AMD/Sony partnership, put the label and market.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

random twitter guy. Doesn't mean it's true.
Ubisoft confirmed it for Xbox. Why didn't they say anything at all regarding PlayStation?

Because Sony hasn't taken advantage of this marketing ploy that Microsoft's come up with

 

[Agnostic2020]

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

According to matt many big game releases like call of duty used fp16 to get stable frame rate on ps4 pro and it gave them around 7 to 9% boost . So yea it is being optomized by Activision and ubi soft and the likes and now fp16 is in every pc card from amd for a reason .not cause it was useless

 

[Neo Blaster]

random twitter guy. Doesn't mean it's true.
Ubisoft confirmed it for Xbox. Why didn't they say anything at all regarding PlayStation?

Because MS is the one who likes to put names on everything for marketing's sake. Never seen Sony doing PR about crossbuy, yet it was there. Smart Delivery is just crossbuy, it's not new, even MS already did it before with Play Anywhere(see? another fancy name).

 

[MasterCornholio]

Because Sony hasn't taken advantage of this marketing ploy that Microsoft's come up with

I'm sure that if it's true we will hear about it before the system launches

But the way that I see it if the game downloads a patch that upgrades it to the PS5 version than it's the same as what Microsoft is doing. I'm pretty sure the developers can make this happen if they want since it's optional.

 

[Deeper Underground]

Why are people in here getting asspained about others speculating information? It's all theoretical. Nobody is taking anything away from your precious XSX.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

When did MS tell them this? Do you even have proof of this claim?

I doubt they told DF not to call them jaugar CPUs. Microsoft, however, was deliberately avoiding calling them jaguar cores and hyping them up to be something more than just Xbox One cores with higher clocks. Just look at the Project Scorpio article by digital foundry.

 

[Radical_3d]

I didn't move goal posts, FP16 was brought up and I was truly wondering what benefit it provided. I currently game on a PS4 Pro and PC, so fanboy shame me all you want. the simple fact here is that there are so many biased people in this thread that will believe anything positive about PS5 from a Twitter post, when months ago these same people were boasting a 13TF monster that was going to put Microsoft out of business.

It's not a twitter post. It's what Cerny said at the very beggining of its conference. Am I the only who stayed awake more than 5 seconds?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm sure that if it's true we will hear about it before the system launches

But the way that I see it if the game downloads a patch that upgrades it to the PS5 version than it's the same as what Microsoft is doing. I'm pretty sure the developers can make this happen if they want since it's optional.

I just see it as being the exact same thing as what they already do when you "upgrade" your game to Xbox One X or PS4 Pro.

Microsoft is just playing it smart and getting some good PR out of it.

The only difference this time around is that developers can charge people for these patches. Applies to both sides though

 

[Agnostic2020]

Why are people in here getting asspained about others speculating information? It's all theoretical. Nobody is taking anything away from your precious XSX.

It so weird. Some hardcore fanboys got so upset that started writing sentences with no meaning haha exhibit A :

Nice fabricated rumor, however the ps5 GPU sounds like missing VRS, parallel Ray tracing in the CU, direct 100gb or more SSD access from GPU(has to go to main memory first), ML language programmability with also 4bit, 8 bit , etc.. for ML that if anything ps5 RNDA2 sounds more "alpha", lower version than the X like ps5 is RDNA2.0 alpha or something whereas the XSX sounds like RDNA2.3+ which also fits AMDs naming scheme like it had for GCN 1.1., 1.2 etc .. If anything the revision or version of RDNA2.* sounds more advanced on the X.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Dumbest shit I've ever heard. Enjoy you delusions people.

And quickly escalated to insulting...

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

... then move goalposts, typical.
Yes people are dumb... for being polite and trying to have a conversation with hungry fanboys like you who only want to troll and flame wars.

Nice fabricated rumor, however the ps5 GPU sounds like missing VRS, parallel Ray tracing in the CU, direct 100gb or more SSD access from GPU(has to go to main memory first), ML language programmability with also 4bit, 8 bit , etc.. for ML that if anything ps5 RNDA2 sounds more "alpha", lower version than the X like ps5 is RDNA2.0 alpha or something whereas the XSX sounds like RDNA2.3+ which also fits AMDs naming scheme like it had for GCN 1.1., 1.2 etc .. If anything the revision or version of RDNA2.* sounds more advanced on the X.

Aren't you a dev? Can you backup your claims?

 

[tryDEATH]

Sony is so advanced they don't bother announcing half the RDNA2 features, because they will have RDNA3 features. I guess those RDNA2* 10.2TF now need to be converted into RDNA3 TF, which would obviously make it the more powerful system. They're truly ahead of the times, only the most sophisticated mental gymnast are able to see that logic in advance.

Sony simply pulled a quick one on MS, because MS operates in the rudimentary realm of reality, something that doesn't cut it these days anymore.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I doubt they told DF not to call them jaugar CPUs. Microsoft, however, was deliberately avoiding calling them jaguar cores and hyping them up to be something more than just Xbox One cores with higher clocks. Just look at the Project Scorpio article by digital foundry.

Some people were claiming that they would be Zen cores. So maybe they didn't want to cause disappointment by calling them Jaguar cores?

I mean that's one theory that I have. But I believe it's unlikely.

 

[Shmunter]

People promoting Smart Delivery like it was an awesome new tech probably never saw PSN crossbuy option for some PS4/PS3/PSVITA games. When I see them talking about how AC: Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will use it on SX, I always think 'c'mon, like the publisher wouldn't offer the same crossbuy on PS5'.

Slight difference there however. Crossbuy worked in digital purchase only. It needs to evolve to allow the disc to be proof of ownership to be all encompassing.

But yes, this is nothing but a policy matter rather than a feat of technical wizardry.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The only difference this time around is that developers can charge people for these patches. Applies to both sides though

I honestly hope they don't do that though.

 

[BGs]

Sony showcases psvr finger tracking research.

Its so damn impressive .

Hope this makes into psvr 2 but maybe its for next one ?

Cc: BGs

I know nothing.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Slight difference there however. Crossbuy worked in digital purchase only. It needs to evolve to allow the disc to be proof of ownership to be all encompassing.

But yes, this is nothing but a policy matter rather than a feat of technical wizardry.

I forgot about physical media, but yes, it's not a big deal for the system to recognize the disc and add the crossbuy option to the account, be it a current gen or next gen disc.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I honestly hope they don't do that though.

I don't think we'll see it as the norm

If you look at how pubs value player retention and how they achieve that by continued support via free updates, we'll see this exact same line of thinking when it comes to these upgrades.

It's also a way for them to increase next-gen adoption rate which is in their benefit too.

 

[DeeDogg_]

I know nothing.

Yeah we know that

 

[Shmunter]

I know nothing.

 

[Fake]

Wake up and get almost 50 likes. Wtf guys.

I don't believe PS5 will have RDNA 3.0, but still have custom features not found on the market, with I believe can make them RDNA 2.5 rather than 2.0

 

[Tripolygon]

Slight difference there however. Crossbuy worked in digital purchase only. It needs to evolve to allow the disc to be proof of ownership to be all encompassing.

But yes, this is nothing but a policy matter rather than a feat of technical wizardry.

Shamelessly stolen. It was mostly used for digital purchases but Sony allows physical to digital, Most publishers did not take advantage of it.

 

[sircaw]

I didn't move goal posts, FP16 was brought up and I was truly wondering what benefit it provided. I currently game on a PS4 Pro and PC, so fanboy shame me all you want. the simple fact here is that there are so many biased people in this thread that will believe anything positive about PS5 from a Twitter post, when months ago these same people were boasting a 13TF monster that was going to put Microsoft out of business.

I am not sure about all that 13tf nonsense, it certainly was not from me. I have not really been active in discussions on this forum bar the last few months until when my interest was really peaked about the release of the new consoles.

I do actually favour PlayStation but i do want xbox to do well, i am actually considering purchasing a lockheart system as there are a variety of good games that interest me in there future release schedule, namely Grim Dawn, Fable, ori etc.

However i am going to be very honest in this and hope i don't get a warning or a ban for this as it's not something i really want to discuss or focus on.

But in my opinion, as someone one who has been generally neutral to these forums discussion, there has been an onslaught of negativity when anything "positive PlayStation " is mentioned.

Same with this topic about R2NA 2/3.
People have given direct examples of how older systems benefit from newer architecture , but the sheer mention of it is dismissed straight away as some sort of fallacy..

Its like the Redgaming tech tweet, with dealer and the usual fanboys attacking it.
They have no understanding or happenings of what is going on at PlayStation but the mere thought that ps5 might have something that their beloved piece of plastic might not have sends them into spasms.

Imagine Redgaming tech had said the same but instead of it being about ps5 he said it was for xbox,
Those Same types, Dealer and co would then make a two hour podcast praising it all.

In the end it boils down to this, Have new features from a further architecture been used before in older tech,

If you answer no then, to my mind their is something strange going on about your reasoning as it has already been proven it true.

There are DIRECT EXAMPLES OF IT BEING TRUE IN PAST SYSTEMS.

Remember Sony have not fully announced everything in their arsenal , there has been numerous tweets about still many unannounced features to be shown.

 

[BGs]

Yeah we know that

Spoiler

 

[MasterCornholio]

Shamelessly stolen. It was mostly used for digital purchases but Sony allows physical to digital, Most publishers did not take advantage of it.

I'm pretty sure they will update for the PS5.

However since it's optional alot of publishers just want you to buy the same game twice instead of giving you the other versions for free.

It really is a shame that it isn't standard. But what can Sony do?

 

[FeiRR]

People promoting Smart Delivery like it was an awesome new tech probably never saw PSN crossbuy option for some PS4/PS3/PSVITA games. When I see them talking about how AC: Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will use it on SX, I always think 'c'mon, like the publisher wouldn't offer the same crossbuy on PS5'.

Smart Delivery is one line of scripted browser code. But it sounds much better with 'magic wording' for the masses.

 

[Shmunter]

Shamelessly stolen. It was mostly used for digital purchases but Sony allows physical to digital, Most publishers did not take advantage of it.

Actually you know I think I recall getting a Vita code in the All Stars Battleroyale PS3 case.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Spoiler

Haha some fanboys are upset about possible rdna3 features . Dont pay too much attention to them

 

[Demon2blades]

I didn't move goal posts, FP16 was brought up and I was truly wondering what benefit it provided. I currently game on a PS4 Pro and PC, so fanboy shame me all you want. the simple fact here is that there are so many biased people in this thread that will believe anything positive about PS5 from a Twitter post, when months ago these same people were boasting a 13TF monster that was going to put Microsoft out of business.

I'll believe it untill proven otherwise and I'd be willing to do exactly the same thing for Xbox series X's customisations for which we know very little about the two machines at this point other than what's come out .

 

[Radical_3d]

Time stamped so you don't have to refer to a random tweet that probably was based on this video in the first time:

 

[M1chl]

Who used FP16 again? What benefit did that provide?

Let's just say, that you alwas don't need double-precision fro whole scene of for whole wide engine. Some things simply requires less precision, so why waste additional resources, when you don't need them. Let's say that this is something which degrates quality, but if it's used cleverly you don't even noticed. You can find parallel with this in VRS : )


Capiche? : )
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Also PS4 Pro had feature called "rapid packed math" which basically can get two FP16 values in one cycle, because it was "packed" isinde one FP32 value.

 

[Neo Blaster]

The only difference this time around is that developers can charge people for these patches. Applies to both sides though

Where did you get that from? So far what we've been hearing is one buy for two versions, never heard anything about paid patches.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Where did you get that from? So far what we've been hearing is one buy for two versions, never heard anything about paid patches.

Yeah if developers decide to. They're not forced to do so otherwise there'd be no need for this Smart Delivery PR Microsofts running with

 

[3liteDragon]

Nice fabricated rumor, however the ps5 GPU sounds like missing VRS, parallel Ray tracing in the CU, direct 100gb or more SSD access from GPU(has to go to main memory first), ML language programmability with also 4bit, 8 bit , etc.. for ML that if anything ps5 RNDA2 sounds more "alpha", lower version than the X like ps5 is RDNA2.0 alpha or something whereas the XSX sounds like RDNA2.3+ which also fits AMDs naming scheme like it had for GCN 1.1., 1.2 etc .. If anything the revision or version of RDNA2.* sounds more advanced on the X.

"RDNA 2.3+", "Missing VRS", "direct 100GB or more SSD access from GPU"

 

[BGs]

Haha some fanboys are upset about possible rdna3 features . Dont pay too much attention to them

Well, at this point I can say a no-brainer. The PSVRC must share characteristics with the DS.

Also, personal doubt, I am not clear that the controls are going to be sold together with the headset (in time or in a package). I repeat, my guess. No confirmation.

 

[Tripolygon]

Actually you know I think I recall getting a Vita code in the All Stars Battleroyale PS3 case.

One of the less talked about amazing policies Sony introduced last generation. Over 300 games supported cross buy between PS3, PS Vita and PS4. My PS Vita library of games were mostly filled with cross buy games.

 

[SportsFan581]

Yeah if developers decide to. They're not forced to do so otherwise there'd be no need for this Smart Delivery PR Microsofts running with

I think that P3 specifically stated that devs couldn't charge for these patches on the Xbox platform, buy once is the idea. Sony (and Nintendo too) has a history of the buy two or three times strategy, so they may stick with that. If they don't, I'm sure they'll have their own marketing around that.

 

[Fake]

Can someone post specific thread where I can read this meltdown from DF guy? You got me curious, guys. And I don't have anything better to do now anyways

PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny OT

Microsoft heads have historically responded to and promoted people like Timdog and MisterXMedia, who basically thrive on spreading fanboy sensationalism or FUD. We even had Microsoft's senior director of product planning come onto the last forum and downplay the performance deficit between the...

www.resetera.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I think that P3 specifically stated that devs couldn't charge for these patches on the Xbox platform, buy once is the idea. Sony (and Nintendo too) has a history of the buy two or three times strategy, so they may stick with that. If they don't, I'm sure they'll have their own marketing around that.

You weren't allowed to charge for Xbox One X patches. The same applied to the PS4 Pro.

That policy doesn't apply to next-gen. If a developer makes a cross-gen title they're not obligated to participate in smart delivery