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Three Jackdaws
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Neo Blaster
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Unless Sony change their approach from exclusives to services like MS did, I don't see that happening.
Gamernyc78
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And even then it's irrelevant as most ppl do not have a gaming pc, let alone one capable to playing games in HDR or 4K.
Alot of arguments are frivolous and agenda driven.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I built my PC by the book, only picked parts approved by Asus motherboard. I would've got the 4TB if available and approved. Some face some issues later and some got them dead in months (NVMe m.2 SSD's). Maybe it's a compatibility thing but most PC builders ignore official recommendations from the motherboard provider. I went with 32GB as 64GB setup wasn't listed as well.
They've updated it, as I can see. I was looking for 2TB 970 Pro Samsung, but didn't find it in the support sheet back then, along with other setups.
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SSfox
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Three Jackdaws
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I thought the tweet was suspicious, the Maxamillion Dood who has reliable insider sources completely shutdown the Bloodborne coming to PC rumours as well.
Wraith Phantom
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Looks like these companies should never do too well in a generation .Arrogance & bad decisions follow the next gen campaign. WiiU,cell processors/£600, drm/Konnect/ overpriced xbox1/tv/movie talks. These company's only seem to do the right thing under pressure when its all on the line. Sonys history in consumer products usually ends in a decline of sales out of their own greed. Sony radio /boomboxes/hi-fi's ,walkman ,mp3/mini disk players ,viao laptops,phones, TV, PS3. It seems we are on track with the console next? The only Sony product they have never messed up to my knowledge are camera's. I assume because competition in this market is savage. This is a business they cannot afford to lose. This product is always on the line.
Not all money is good money. This new management is suspect. There's a lot of these chasing more money & cash grab rumours. Its like watching xbox2013 all over again. All these rumours about Movies,tv shows, PC. Business strategies & models .Just stinks. How does the champion follow the losers loosing business model. All I see is a road to devaluation of consoles & PS current platform. And once it crashes hard there's no coming back from it see Sega/Atari history. I just read some where Gran Turismo was going to PC. Are Sony going to let PC users play online for free?? & Then force cross play on consoles? All these games to pc would demonstrate that PS buckled to the press & PC gamers. A loud minority who do not invest in PS eco system. You can bet PS will buckle to a loud majority of actual PS subscribers & get free online multiplayer. And once we get our just due. That PS+ subscription money tanks in a year. And then it snowballs into revenue loss. This is the effect of greed ,chasing money & cash grabs with people not even invested in your eco system. You disrespect actual core audience. You will pay for it and wreck your core business.
Not all money is good money.
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THE:MILKMAN
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New fans are impressively quite, dear friend. Here's my PC with a total of 11x* fans (5x intake, 1x exhaust, 1x CPU, 3x GPU, 1x power supply) and dead-silent. New fans are pretty great and silent, I personally expected so much noise and didn't believe what I read on the web:
Sorry missed this post today...
That is an impressive fan count! No doubt for PC there are some very quiet fans available but we're talking consoles here. I don't think any consoles have ever had more than 2 fans in a retail unit? I'm guessing PS5 will be no different. I look forward to what is different about the whole cooling solution, though.
sircaw
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Phil spencer doing the same thing but in Borat Mankini.
Jesus the thought of that actually makes me feel unwell lol.
Someone should do a meme of that that as i recall his costume was green, perfect for an xbox logo and stick that picture of Amanda with the ps4 chest bit. Stick that in the xbox memes area, i am sure it will go down well.
Looking at you Bo
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hemo memo
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"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features,"
"something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."
Now who's words to take. The CEO of the company or a twitter account name Sloth Mom.. hmm that's a tough one.
Bo_Hazem
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Yup, many new fans are now pretty quiet, way better than same sized fans years back! So I bet Sony might consider some:
Of course, those are kinda large in comparison, but still I expect less fan noise going forward.
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Three Jackdaws
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There was a Bloomberg report a while back which stated Sony were investing in a exotic cooling solution which would be more "pricey". Also a fixed power supply pumping energy into 36 CU's clocked at 2.23 Ghz along with the additional heat generated by the SSD and other components. 2 fans just won't be enough IMO
Cerny did mention that the cooling strategy for the PS5 would be to figure out the the worst case scenario for the PS5 in terms of heat generated and then design a cooling solution which will be quiet at that worst case scenario. This is made easier by the fixed power budget the PS5 has.
Neo Blaster
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One game and one rumour, tell me how that translates to every game day and date, or stop spreading FUD.
Rusco Da Vino
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Sorry about that.
I promise this is the last time I link an official source instead of a whisper from a fucking ERA moderator.
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SlimySnake
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i already discussed this yesterday when you kept accusing me of spreading FUD. go read that again and stop treating everyone you disagree with as a xbox era discord member. it makes you come off as desperate.
THE:MILKMAN
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I'm going to stick to my theory based on the heat sink patent. Double-sided motherboard with 12x flash dies and flash controller on one side and the APU/RAM/everything else on the other. One single 100-130mm fan on the APU side.
I think Heisenberg had said a newer and slightly different (smaller?) dev kit had gone out a couple of months or so ago? I wonder if these new patents still apply to this dev kit or whether they have refined/reduced the fan count?
Neo Blaster
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I'm desperate? Really? Who is the one who keeps changing from 'PS5 hype' to 'Sony is doomed' due to every single rumour out there, no matter the source? Definitely I'm not the bipolar here.
sircaw
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For some reason that picture reminds me of the Fire song from the crazy world of Arthur Brown.
Oldies like me will remember it. Amazing song
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
wait so i am not allowed to have more than one opinion? what are we era members?
this shit isnt binary. i can like the ps5 hardware, and dislike their marketing. i can like sony exclusives and disagree with them being ported to PC and becoming non exclusives.
its funny you are doing what you accuse xbox era discord of doing. you are shutting down all discussion for a topic because you dont like it. you hate to see Sony painted in a negative light even by hardcore fucking sony fans who have spent nearly a decade on this forum criticizing MS, getting banned for it and taking on delusional xbox fanboys. you are basically thought policing because you dont like people discussing rumors in a fucking speculation thread where we spent the past 2 years discussing rumors.
Bo_Hazem
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I think those patents only serve to protect the dev kit from any cheap stolen designs.
HeisenbergFX4
the new dev-kits are all black and slightly beefier, right?EDIT: Confirmed to be all black and more sleek design (2nd DK's).
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HeisenbergFX4
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I think those patents only serve to protect the dev kit from any cheap stolen designs.
The latest DKs that I knew of were all black and it was hard to tell size wise what I saw but was sleeker looking, more polished of a design.
I heard within the last 2 days another wave of DKs were going out late this week/early next week.
I do not know what to expect with this kit.
All before lunch kind of hungry guesses.
sircaw
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I am weak, I had to cast my vote
There is space for her in my Jacuzzi bowl
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Bo_Hazem
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Good to hear that, and the latest patent released seems to be the 1st DK, right? As you described the 2nd looks somehow (different) so I think that confirms the patent is of the previous one.
No need to break any NDA's if those sound pretty specific. Go to lunch with your birdie and enjoy it!
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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Something that really seems to have slipped by a lot of people:
Dropping clocks just enough to stay at 100% TDP (and not 90% under it, for some weird reason) isn't reducing performance, it's maintaining it without overheating.
Calculation costs power. If you could use more CU time AND stay higher clocks then even better, but no package—fixed clocks included!—will let you exceed TDP for any length of time.
PS5 variable clocks aren't exceeding TDP temporarily then backing off as in a PC/mobile. They are targeting 100% TDP as much as possible.
You don't hit 100% TDP and then reduce power. Cerny's comments on 10% less power required when clocks drop 2% is telling us how little the clocks need to vary, not how much the power varies.
The power doesn't vary. It stays at 100% TDP, not 90%.
Variable clocks done this way is fixed performance and easier to get to maximum utilisation.
The theoretical maximum calculated TF of the GPU that neither PS5 nor XSX can ever sustain (think burntest on stock cooler and overclocked for gaming stability) varies but the real world in world calculation amount stays fixed, and only the ratio between CU occupancy and frequency is being exchanged.
Dropping clocks just enough to stay at 100% TDP (and not 90% under it, for some weird reason) isn't reducing performance, it's maintaining it without overheating.
Calculation costs power. If you could use more CU time AND stay higher clocks then even better, but no package—fixed clocks included!—will let you exceed TDP for any length of time.
PS5 variable clocks aren't exceeding TDP temporarily then backing off as in a PC/mobile. They are targeting 100% TDP as much as possible.
You don't hit 100% TDP and then reduce power. Cerny's comments on 10% less power required when clocks drop 2% is telling us how little the clocks need to vary, not how much the power varies.
The power doesn't vary. It stays at 100% TDP, not 90%.
Variable clocks done this way is fixed performance and easier to get to maximum utilisation.
The theoretical maximum calculated TF of the GPU that neither PS5 nor XSX can ever sustain (think burntest on stock cooler and overclocked for gaming stability) varies but the real world in world calculation amount stays fixed, and only the ratio between CU occupancy and frequency is being exchanged.
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Neo Blaster
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Sony's marketing has been severely lacking, agreed, but so is your faith on Sony. You're totally entitled to criticize them, but it's really tiresome for everyone to read your meltdowns at the minor reasons, do you see anyone else do that in this thread? Not even the most biased towards Xbox. One has to wonder why you're still hyped about PS5 if you're constantly saying they're morons and will screw up everything, despite their successful history.
Rusco Da Vino
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Are you really sure you like the PS5 hardware? Because yesterday you posted this shit
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HeisenbergFX4
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Good to heat that, and the latest patent released seems to be the 1st DK, right? As you described the 2nd looks somehow (different) so I think that confirms the patent is of the previous one.
No need to break any NDA's if those sound pretty specific. Go to lunch with your birdie and enjoy it!
Yeah my guess is that patent is the first units, yes.
T-Cake
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A relation of mine ignored all that and is now stuck with a Ryzen 3900X running with memory stuck at a clock rate of 2100MHz and no inclination to sort it out.
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Uzupedro
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I think at least the PS5 design will come out in the next 2 weeks. With all this talk of patents, production going full steam ahead, they won't want to wait for a leak from a 2 megapixel camera and a crooked photo to create a bad first impression.
And this is in the worst case of the PS5 event being postponed until the end of the month-beginning of July, since I think that now the design will be shown at the event.
And this is in the worst case of the PS5 event being postponed until the end of the month-beginning of July, since I think that now the design will be shown at the event.
FranXico
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If Sony changed something, like say, using faster RAM, they could still do it at this point, right?
JareBear: Remastered
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C'mon baby. Let's get that new event date today. I can FEEL IT.
I am in the process of building a new PC. Got the Asus ROG Strix x570-e Gaming MOBO, 32 gigs of DDR4 3200 RAM, a new Noctua CPU cooler, and waiting for the matisse refresh AMD CPUs to pick a CPU. When my RAM came from Amazon I freaked out because on the front it only said "compatible with i7" or something like that, so I frantically searched the internet and it looks like it should be fine with an x570 board, based on a couple posts I found it sounds like I am gonna need to tweak some things in the BIOS to reach 3200mhz though. I should have researched that before buying the RAM.
I am in the process of building a new PC. Got the Asus ROG Strix x570-e Gaming MOBO, 32 gigs of DDR4 3200 RAM, a new Noctua CPU cooler, and waiting for the matisse refresh AMD CPUs to pick a CPU. When my RAM came from Amazon I freaked out because on the front it only said "compatible with i7" or something like that, so I frantically searched the internet and it looks like it should be fine with an x570 board, based on a couple posts I found it sounds like I am gonna need to tweak some things in the BIOS to reach 3200mhz though. I should have researched that before buying the RAM.
HeisenbergFX4
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I have no idea honestly.
One thing I've wondered is how much ambient air temperature effects this. If the ambient temperature is higher you will need more cooling. I would assume they test it at the highest ambient temperature they believe will occur.
Bo_Hazem
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After buying only approved pieces, the CPU was overclocking at 4.3GHz randomly! 4.3GHz is the max, and never seen 2700x overclocking to that number on any video before, most of them got to 4.2 max and with expensive cooling solutions. I had to go to the BIOS and lock it to 3.7GHz as I don't need more than that for video editing and such, and the benefits of overclocking are pretty minor.
Always go by what the motherboard provider recommends and you'll be "happier", as Windows always has some surprise sucker punch from time to time but better do the best possible. You can always go for beyond gaming motherboards as well and buy more expensive, more reliable motherboards if you wanna go wild. One of the stupidest things that the second m.2 does draw power from the main GPU PCIe 3.0 lane, resulting in less GPU potential performance! Only found one video by a Swedish guy, I guess, on youtube and provided this map:
So again, scrapped the idea of dual NVMe m.2 SSD's on RAID mode.
I gotta say, PC architecture is just simply dumb, and not well covered. This was my first PC build as I used to buy only like HP desktops that are already optimized. Spent more than 100 hours, like more than a month, watching videos on youtube and learning about it.
Now, I'm learning from the guys around here which makes me happy to understand more tech stuff. It makes you appreciate the stuff you buy and the efforts behind them, and to draw limits to your expectations.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
again, this shit isnt binary. i like their ssd and i/o enhancements. its hilarious to see you bring up the gpu after you have spent the last few weeks praising the ps5's ssd and i/o yourself.Are you really sure you like the PS5 hardware? Because yesterday you posted this shit
99% of the people in this thread dismissed the github leaks because we all wanted the console to be 13-14 tflops. no one wanted a 36 cu gpu. so lets not pretend im the only one who is unhappy with a 10 tflops gpu.
Neo Blaster
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Why does he even care about what Sony do then? Just grab a 3080 and be happy, If his FUD is right he'll play Sony games after a few years.Are you really sure you like the PS5 hardware? Because yesterday you posted this shit
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THE:MILKMAN
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I highly doubt it. They have announced the specs already and the various parts would've been being made for months now as we've already heard these multiple different parts have started to come together to be assembled in the the last few weeks. If any spec bump happened, it would've happened last year which would mean the announced specs would include them.
Fake
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They're not much different from Switch port beg.
Neo Blaster
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Looks like you're the only one still attached to teraflops, everyone else has already moved on.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
well, my biggest problem with xbox fans is that they dont ever criticize their own brand. phil can never do any wrong. they will defend dumb business decisions no matter what. i still remember threads on gaf where people defended Phil for cancelling the coalition new IP in order to fund another gears game. they were fully onboard when phil said GaaS games is where the future is and that he didnt give a shit about first party games. 3 years later, phil does a 180 and now everyone cares about single player story driven games on xbox again.
its not a meltdown to wonder why sony is following in microsoft's footsteps. if you have got a problem with my logic, please point it out. none of you seem to be interested in a discussion though. you are just upset at me being upset. you are upset that im not a 100% happy with every single move sony makes. you are upset at me ruining the joyful mood in this thread.
i am sorry but i dont come here to make everyone feel good about their platform of choice. thats just mob mentality and why i hated the xbox discord so much. you lose perspective the moment you start policing what other people can or cannot say.
feel free to point out the flaws in my logic. feel free to disagree with my opinion. but dont dismiss it just because it makes you upset. it makes you come across as weak.
Faithless83
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I'm no mod but, could we please move on?
I believe everyone made their points more than clear by now.
We all agree on "let's hope this won't turn into a MS situation for Sony."
I believe everyone made their points more than clear by now.
We all agree on "let's hope this won't turn into a MS situation for Sony."
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, lets move on. this feels like it belongs in gaf on gaf anywayI'm no mod but, could we please move on?
I believe everyone made their points more than clear by now.
We all agree on "let's hope this won't turn into a MS situation for Sony."
BGs
Industry Professional
Do not sulph friend.
Sony is making a smart bet that benefits her as well as the PC user and also PlayStation. The games you are releasing for PC are the ones that no longer generate profits on PlayStation. It is not an initiative to get all the games on PC, it is only to get more benefits from those old glories that are already behind you for a few years. That generates an extra benefit that helps that dibero to be invested in better future games for PlayStation. It is a good financing alternative. It does not mean that you will see TLOU2 on PC in 6 months (or even a few years).
On the other hand, with a wasted 3080 you can run games at 4k and 60fps, but at what price? and what games?
Bo_Hazem
Dark and "cold".
Thirty7ven
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Of course an even more powerful GPU would've been awesome. But what has been achieved seems much more interesting and impactful.
And crying over a 2080 Super because you wanted a 2080ti... I don't know.
And crying over a 2080 Super because you wanted a 2080ti... I don't know.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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That's how it works. It will be louder in an extreme situation, but performance cannot vary by temperature (outside of extreme heating/broken fan/clogged heatsink) that will just simple cause a thermal cutoff and crash.
I doubt they'll have designed the console to be quiet with an ambient temperature of 35°C for example, but I bet part of their testing ensures it can function there.
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