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Gran Turismo PS5 Could Target a Mind Melting 240 Frames-Per-Second

We've already seen Gran Turismo Sportrunning in 8K resolution, but speaking with Australian media at a recent event, Polyphony Digital honcho Kazunori Yamauchi revealed that he believes 4K is good enough for games. The veteran believes that framerate is much more important, and he's potentially aiming big for the PlayStation 5's first incarnation of the massive simulation racing series.

"In terms of frames-per-second, rather than staying at 60fps, I'm more interested in raising it to 120fps or even 240fps," he said. "I think that's what's going to be changing the experience from here on forward."

Gran Turismo PS5 Could Target a Mind Melting 240 Frames-Per-Second

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This is not happening. You would literally need 4X the horsepower to run a 4K60 game at 4K240, equivalent to running it a 8K60, literally a half generational jump. What we could get however is a 1440p120 optional mode, similar to Dirt 5

 

[dr guildo]

Maybe it is true, but forza motorsport 8 will probably look better on xbonex than gt7 on ps5 (not even mentioning how fm8 will look on xbsex)

(No scapes, only ingame feat photomode)

Spoiler

 

[Swadedtx]

One thing I'm curious about is why wasnt this game which Sony helped fund wasn't shown off yet still has a release of 2020?



And Guerrilla has been working on a Multiplayer shooter since 2018 and it seems like it might be Socom here's a tweet from the dev.


My guess is these multiplayer pvp games aren't made to graphic powerhouses so why would they show them off at a PS5 event.

 

[Ar¢tos]

One thing I'm curious about is why wasnt this game which Sony helped fund wasn't shown off yet still has a release of 2020?



And Guerrilla has been working on a Multiplayer shooter since 2018 and it seems like it might be Socom here's a tweet from the dev.


My guess is these multiplayer pvp games aren't made to graphic powerhouses so why would they show them off at a PS5 event.

Add it to the list of current gen vaporware that will carry on to next gen:
DeepDown
Wild
Project Awakening
Lost Soul Aside
Granblue Fantasy Relink
Pavilion
Beyond Good and Evil 2

And others I can't remember...

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Add it to the list of current gen vaporware that will carry on to next gen:
DeepDown
Wild
Project Awakening
Lost Soul Aside
Granblue Fantasy Relink
Pavilion
Beyond Good and Evil 2

And others I can't remember...

Deep Down... R.I.P. since I saw Blanka send an in game message in some trailer for that game

 

[FeiRR]

Smart delivery. Your disk just working across generations because of the systems MS has in place. That's.. software.

Sony doesn't have that as admitted by the quoted Sony guy; you have to give someone a separate download code or otherwise implement some method of unlocking the next-gen version if you want to support it.

Which you can do on XBox as well; or you can use their smart delivery system and your game just works across generations with the same SKU and all that without having to write any extra code.

We don't know if the disk will contain both versions or if it'll download appropriate patches from the server. I'd say the second option is much more probable. So when you install the disk, patches will download automatically in case of both systems. I don't see any difference from the technological point of view. Games with patches will be enhanced, games without patches will run in BC mode.

Do you think it's different?

 

[IntentionalPun]

We don't know if the disk will contain both versions or if it'll download appropriate patches from the server. I'd say the second option is much more probable. So when you install the disk, patches will download automatically in case of both systems. I don't see any difference from the technological point of view. Games with patches will be enhanced, games without patches will run in BC mode.

Do you think it's different?

Sony has literally said it's different. That they have no smart delivery like system in place.

 

[Gediminas]

Deep Down... R.I.P. since I saw Blanka send an in game message in some trailer for that game

rumors says that they took assets for Dragon's Dogma 2.

 

[FeiRR]

Sony has literally said it's different. That they have no smart delivery like system in place.

Please provide source for that claim.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Xbox Series S Could be Priced half as Much as the XSX: ~$200

According to sources, Microsoft may launch the Xbox Series S console, the Digital Edition meant for streaming for as low as $200. This will supposedly be the third console of the next-gen Xbox lineup, with the top-end Series X with an optical disk costing around $500, the disk-less variant at $400 and the streaming low-cost solution for a meager $200.

Xbox Series S Could be Priced half as Much as the XSX: ~$200 | Hardware Times

According to sources, Microsoft may launch the Xbox Series S console, the Digital Edition meant for streaming for as low as $200. This will supposedly be the third console of the next-gen Xbox lineup, with the top-end Series X with an optical disk costing around $500, the disk-less variant at...

www.hardwaretimes.com

I'm really curious about the rumors of the diskless Series X. Did they start before or after the PS5 hardware reveal?

I remember there were rumors of a diskless Series S but I don't remember reading anything about a Diskless Series X.

 

[Swadedtx]

Add it to the list of current gen vaporware that will carry on to next gen:
DeepDown
Wild
Project Awakening
Lost Soul Aside
Granblue Fantasy Relink
Pavilion
Beyond Good and Evil 2

And others I can't remember...

Lol the game does seem like its actually coming out.

 

[Gamernyc78]

check this out!

We posted this few days ago

 

[vpance]

PS5 designed games to PC ports may require 32 to 64GB ram, 16GB GPUs. Timestamped

 

[IntentionalPun]

Please provide source for that claim.

Here's the resetera thread:

SIE (japan through machine translation): there won't be a unified upgrade program like Smart Delivery, upgrade is through publisher's discretion

Take caution as this comes from a japanese article that I ran through google translate: https://translate.google.be/translate?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamespark.jp%2Farticle%2F2020%2F06%2F17%2F99923.html It's info coming from SIE, but as always it's better to wait for an...

www.resetera.com

Although TBH, reading the actual article translation.. can't tell WTF they are saying lol

but here's the relevant quote from re:

Regarding upgrade support, there is no unified standard such as " Smart Delivery " adopted by Xbox Series X, and it is up to the publisher to decide whether or not to support it, the mechanism, and the additional cost

Up to the pub to decide the mechanism...

Which is how Cross Buy worked from what I can tell googling/asking people here.. some games came with download codes, some games had other mechanisms for unlocking different versions.. what Sony provides is the ability to give away the licenses for free is my understanding.

 

[FeiRR]

Here's the resetera thread:

SIE (japan through machine translation): there won't be a unified upgrade program like Smart Delivery, upgrade is through publisher's discretion

Take caution as this comes from a japanese article that I ran through google translate: https://translate.google.be/translate?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamespark.jp%2Farticle%2F2020%2F06%2F17%2F99923.html It's info coming from SIE, but as always it's better to wait for an...

www.resetera.com

Although TBH, reading the actual article translation.. can't tell WTF they are saying lol

So again, how is it different from Microsoft's stance? They were talking about their own games and those publishers which join their scheme. Those publishers were clearly labelled during last Xbox Inside (which means not all of them want or will join) and then we also learnt that EA doesn't want to follow.

You're making bold claims based on automated translation and someone's musings.

 

[Goncas2]

8-9GB/s number given by Mark Cerny was without the new Oodle Texture!

 

[EliteSmurf]

You guys may have seen this picture that has been spreading comparing the PS5 and Xbox One X...

Well in the picture above the size is way off and here is a quick rescale using the USB port as a measurement.

Before and after:

Model is inaccurate anyways but still wanted to post this.

 

[IntentionalPun]

So again, how is it different from Microsoft's stance? They were talking about their own games and those publishers which join their scheme. Those publishers were clearly labelled during last Xbox Inside (which means not all of them want or will join) and then we also learnt that EA doesn't want to follow.

You're making bold claims based on automated translation and someone's musings.

Because Sony is expecting the publishers to provide the mechanism according to that quote.

MS is providing the mechanism (the backend), or the pubs can role their own.

 

[3liteDragon]

Lmao someone's salty

 

[MasterCornholio]

You guys may have seen this picture that has been spreading comparing the PS5 and Xbox One X...

Well in the picture above the size is way off and here is a quick rescale using the USB port as a measurement.

Before and after:

FUD free of course

That actually doesn't look bad if true. I saw some pics where it seemed like a monster when compared to the Series X. I know there's some FUD going around with doctored images.

 

[FeiRR]

Because Sony is expecting the publishers to provide the mechanism according to that quote.

MS is providing the mechanism (the backend), or the pubs can role their own.

How can publishers provide the mechanism to Sony's network and database infrastructure? Do you even know how PSN works?

 

[HAL-01]

You guys may have seen this picture that has been spreading comparing the PS5 and Xbox One X...

Well in the picture above the size is way off and here is a quick rescale using the USB port as a measurement.

Before and after:

FUD free of course

That 3D model is wildly inaccurate anyways

 

[nosseman]

So again, how is it different from Microsoft's stance? They were talking about their own games and those publishers which join their scheme. Those publishers were clearly labelled during last Xbox Inside (which means not all of them want or will join) and then we also learnt that EA doesn't want to follow.

You're making bold claims based on automated translation and someone's musings.

"and it is up to the publisher to decide whether or not to support it, the mechanism, and the additional cost"

I think the main difference is that the process is much easier, streamlined and cheaper on Xbox than on PS5 IF the developer wants to release updated assets and code which in turn probably means that more developers are inclined to do it on Xbox.

 

[FranXico]

You guys may have seen this picture that has been spreading comparing the PS5 and Xbox One X...

Well in the picture above the size is way off and here is a quick rescale using the USB port as a measurement.

Before and after:

FUD free of course

Ok (even though the model is really off), a difference in size more or less like that I can believe in. It's comparable to a PS3 phat then.

 

[Lacix]

PS5 will be huge!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Because Sony is expecting the publishers to provide the mechanism according to that quote.

MS is providing the mechanism (the backend), or the pubs can role their own.

Better to wait for more official information instead of going by poorly translated quotes from a journalist

 

[Metroiddarks]

Maybe it is true, but forza motorsport 8 will probably look better on xbonex than gt7 on ps5 (not even mentioning how fm8 will look on xbsex)

One thing is you tell me the same forza will looks better in XSX and other is this nosense because since I know one console can do RT the other not.

 

[geordiemp]

Better to wait for more official information than a poorly translated quote from a journalist

I think Sony has to come up with a new name, instead of cross buy they have to call it SMART BUY.

That will shut everyone up, all you need is a nice name to confuse people.

All 3rd parties, if the game is cross gen free it will be on both consoles,.

If Rockstar make everyone pay, it will be on both consoles.

Its sad the waring has come to this, what publishers will charge cross generations and the size of consoles....is that all they got ?

 

[Gediminas]

Lmao someone's salty

while xbox lets you sleep, you know, power the dreams

 

[Neo Blaster]

Lmao someone's salty

Wow, you've got to get that checked, your fanboysm is leaking.

 

[sircaw]

while xbox lets you sleep, you know, power the dreams

Guaranteed he will be buying a secret ps5 and playing all their exclusive games.
Does Brad Sams actually work for Microsoft or just another Dealer propaganda type

 

[saintjules]

Lmao someone's salty

Replies are gold

 

[IntentionalPun]

Better to wait for more official information instead of going by poorly translated quotes from a journalist

Yeah I don't disagree, the full quote in the article is more confusing than the snippet someone pulled out from re. Certainly not confident in saying Sony has no system.

How can publishers provide the mechanism to Sony's network and database infrastructure? Do you even know how PSN works?

Cross Buy on PS4 worked differently depending on the game; some games didn't bother with disk based cross-buy and it was only digital.. other games used some sort of menu in the game to go unlock the different versions.. some came with a download code in the box. Those could be the types of mechanisms Sony would be talking about if that quote is accurate; vs. MS's Smart Delivery which is a holistic approach to how MS's cross-buy is going to work.

But either way something could be getting lost in translation there so we'll have to wait and see either way.

Cross buy as it stands is certainly not the same as Smart Delivery though.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Metroiddarks]

Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.

Basically this says Sony will not use a cool name for this and depends of each publisher do it.

I repeat one company is selling a lot more games than the other this year in the current gen so this is normal.

One company needs better publicity in order to sell more and the other is already ok and please don't start say one company is evil
and the other not because was not Sony or Nintendo which popularize the online in exchange for a pay, these are companies only want
your money.

Matt from Resetera is full of shit if this is true.

Why ?

Nah Player.ALL THE DATA. Cerny said upto 22GB when compressed well. Whatever that means.

That is max its decompressor can give you data, so if you have a streaming of data which is perfectly compressed you will reach it the number
for this in XSX is 6 GB/s. But this number will be not reach it in a normal situation because as we know doesn't exists the perfect in this world.

 

[saintjules]

Edit: Beaten

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Man you the buzz is real when MKBHD makes a video about it

 

[FeiRR]

Cross Buy on PS4 worked differently depending on the game; some games didn't bother with disk based cross-buy and it was only digital.. other games used some sort of menu in the game to go unlock the different versions.. some came with a download code in the box. Those could be the types of mechanisms Sony would be talking about if that quote is accurate; vs. MS's Smart Delivery which is a holistic approach to how MS's cross-buy is going to work.

You're comparing a way of promoting a handheld (which didn't have full networking capabilities) with a cross-generational transition of two networked consoles with full BC. In other words, two different games being offered for the same price with the same game offered with possible enhancements. All that based on machine translation from a tweet. Great job. I see I've wasted my time again.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You're comparing a way of promoting a handheld (which didn't have full networking capabilities) with a cross-generational transition of two networked consoles with full BC. In other words, two different games being offered for the same price with the same game offered with possible enhancements. All that based on machine translation from a tweet. Great job. I see I've wasted my time again.

Cross buy worked on PS3 to PS4... both fully netorked consoles.. wasn't just a Vita thing.

And BC has nothing to do with this converation.

I was just using it as an example of how the "mechanism" could differ for the PS4 to PS5 cross buy.

WTF is your problem?

 

[Bladed Thesis]

You're comparing a way of promoting a handheld (which didn't have full networking capabilities) with a cross-generational transition of two networked consoles with full BC. In other words, two different games being offered for the same price with the same game offered with possible enhancements. All that based on machine translation from a tweet. Great job. I see I've wasted my time again.

I missed this one. Can you link me the announcment, I totally missed this one?

 

[3liteDragon]

Man you the buzz is real when MKBHD makes a video about it

 

[Metroiddarks]

Wasn't there something about a dongle version being released? I wonder if that's the streaming only thing that's being talked about.

Edit: The rumor came from a forum - https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...-speculation-spawn.61679/page-17#post-2133292

So Xbox lockhart $200 ..... with basically the same CPU, maybe half the memory
but same speed and RDNA 2 GPU of around 4 TF and around 12 GB of GDDR6.

I mean if is true will great, this holiday my gift to my brother will cheaper but come on.

 

[ethomaz]

That Sony has a Smart Delivery like solution.

Xbox Series X: What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming (12TF, RDNA2 & Zen 2, Hardware Raytracing, Variable Rate Shading) OFFICIAL SPECS

PS5 has enhanced BC and its own version of Smart Delivery.

www.resetera.com

He is not wrong it is called Cross-buy and it exists since 2013.

 

[yewles1]

2020
Tlou2
Got
Spiderman 1.5
Gt7/ratchet and clank ?

2021
Gt7/ratchet and clank?
Horizon 2
Probably one heavy hitter saved for August event

I'm guessing 2023 for GT7 (25th anniversary).

 

[Lethal01]

Essentially, BCPack is a way to compress BCn just like Oodle Texture. This is what i said a couple of months back.

Here's a question, for a 32mb texturefile what is the size it would be if compressed with just Kraken vs Kraken and oodle?

 

[Gamernyc78]

Ohhhh we so ready

 

[Gamernyc78]

Ohhhh we so ready

Yo are ppl watching this video? Tht underwater part when going through the underwater vegetation looks like gameplay. Tht sand desert area too. This game is above and beyond what we've seen or have now.

Just fucking wow foh if you come with tht it doesn't mindblow or look next Gen, your just lying. Tht right there isn't subjective.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Yo are ppl watching this video? Tht underwater part when going through the underwater vegetation looks like gameplay. Tht sand desert area too. This game is above and beyond what we've seen or have now.

Just fucking wow foh if you come with tht it doesn't mindblow ir look next gen your just lying. Tht right there isn't subjective.

Did you just quote your own post five minutes after posting it to ask if anybody is watching it?

Calm down, sport. People will watch it.

 

[ethomaz]

I thought from streaming you can go underwater.

 

[Vaztu]

Xbox Series S Could be Priced half as Much as the XSX: ~$200

According to sources, Microsoft may launch the Xbox Series S console, the Digital Edition meant for streaming for as low as $200. This will supposedly be the third console of the next-gen Xbox lineup, with the top-end Series X with an optical disk costing around $500, the disk-less variant at $400 and the streaming low-cost solution for a meager $200.

Xbox Series S Could be Priced half as Much as the XSX: ~$200 | Hardware Times

According to sources, Microsoft may launch the Xbox Series S console, the Digital Edition meant for streaming for as low as $200. This will supposedly be the third console of the next-gen Xbox lineup, with the top-end Series X with an optical disk costing around $500, the disk-less variant at...

www.hardwaretimes.com

At what price does it become feasible for recyclers to take it apart and sell parts individually? Surely for $200, this becomes probable.