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[Andodalf]

I don't even know why people always question this stuff about Sony exclusives when every trailer someone says "nah it's not the real game" and then it's the real game for the tenth time in a row.

Still waiting for 60 FPS uncharted 4

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Still waiting for 60 FPS uncharted 4

They didn't show any 60 fps Uncharted 4 gameplay as far as I know. I'm incorrect?
Words are words, they may speak of an intention or a target, but if they never show it then it's another thing.
Instead, what they show is 95% the final game.

 

[JonnyMP3]

I extend my fullest apologises to you and CRAIG.

As well you should, my good sir.
Craig has feelings you know. He didn't ask to be the brand new posterboy and savior of the Halo franchise. Craig is merely a lowly brute, who now under bizarre circumstances has had to bare the expectations and weight upon the whole Xbox civilization. Don't judge Craig for we do not know the cross that he bares.
Craig is a hero. He is a martyr.
He has genuinely made me give a shit more about Halo than Cortana, Buck and Sgt Johnson all rolled into one.
I love Craig. And I can't wait to play the hidden Craig missions. I can't wait for Funko Pop Craig. Craig is Precursor!
All hail Craig!

 

[MistBreeze]

man I know people want to blame 343i but it is microsoft fall when you mandate support to a 1 teraflop platform this is what u get

u can not flip the console business initial concept and expect good results

and trying to be the good guy caring for consumer does not help

consoles always means get the new one to get new games no one accused manufactures ever to be anti consumer

it is like Microsoft want to end the console era by force

man I want them like 360 days but they are lost cause now

 

[Killer Sakoman]

What I don't understand is why MS can't play both games...

- You build a great console, 12TF, no boost mode, sustained power, good SSD, good architecture.
- You have been buying studios for the future in order to compete with Sony.
- You have 343I working for 5 years
- You have a lot of money to buy another Ryse son of Rome.

Show something great for XSX and sell Gamepass too...

I don't see why is that hard to do both things.

Exactly, if you want to sell subscription service, then you need killer contents. You cannot relay on 3rd parties for your service because you cannot stop them from making thier own and eat the shit out of you. A software/cloud service like this is very risky if you don't support it with content. Other big boys can Jump in quickly and eat you alive.

 

[Andodalf]

They didn't show any 60 fps Uncharted 4 gameplay as far as I know. I'm incorrect?
Words are words, they may speak of an intention or a target, but if they never show it then it's another thing.
Instead, what they show is 95% the final game.

The first reveal was in 60 FPS, and they kept talking about trying to get to 60 until the last e3? I think, before the game launched. It was misleading for sure.

 

[SportsFan581]

For sure, in seven years time when we all come back, they are still going to be posting pictures of that big green beast.

I like the E.T one the best.

The second coming of wallguy.

 

[FunkMiller]

Just a reminder...

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

The first reveal was in 60 FPS, and they kept talking about trying to get to 60 until the last e3? I think, before the game launched. It was misleading for sure.

If that's the case, sure, it was a problem.
In any case Sony teams have a good track record basically since after the shit about Killzone 2. I'm not saying we should be sure about anything, but just pretending like it's 50/50 isn't historically rational for me. They mostly hit the target, so if they show something I trust in the results, I don't act like everything has the same probability to happen.

 

[dr guildo]

I'm curious how big was the downgrade for Ghosts?

Just wondering if it's as bad as what happened with Infinite.

 

[JonnyMP3]

Exactly, if you want to sell subscription service, then you need killer contents. You cannot relay on 3rd parties for your service because you cannot stop them from making thier own and eat the shit out of you. A software/cloud service like this is very risky if you don't support it with content. Other big boys can Jump in quickly and eat you alive.

This is quiet true. Netflix lost a lot of their subscribers when Disney decided they wanted their own subscription service for their own content so stopped all Disney and MCU related content being on Netflix so they could start up Disney+.
People follow the content. If you don't have the content people want then they won't sub. Microsoft better hope they can license the content well.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Those in-game?

OMG

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Those in-game?

OMG

Yeah that's pretty much what I was referring to lol

 

[jose4gg]

People need to remember that buying Gamepass doesn't mean you won't buy other games.

- Ubisoft, Activition, take two games won't release games on Gamepass after a long period of time.

So you are paying $120 a year, and... Do you want GTA VI the first 5 months? $60, Do you want the AC games? $60 more, Do you want the latest FIFA, NBA, etc? 60 again...

Of course you have A LOT OF GREAT GAMES IN GAMEPASS.

But as soon as you leave the platform to buy something else, $$$ again.

Spotify and Apple Music are other type of things... you never have to leave the platform to get more music.

Netflix has a ton of competition now, and some of which don't even have the level of quality in their application but the content remains king.

Gamepass is amazing, but it is not the new revolution, games are the new revolution, that's what I asked for in their showcase but I didn't receive.

 

[saintjules]

Why should we even doubt that after the insane UE5 real-time gameplay demo?

Not necessarily doubting, but until we have these games in our hands ourselves, we should always proceed with caution on the hype. That's just me though.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Wasn't that 500 million thing debunked?
I mean fine anyway, they surely invested a lot of money, it would be mediocre in any case, artistic cohesion is present in any game. Dishonored 2 and Metro Exodus are great, Yakuza is great, fucking Undertale has tons of personality and you can count pixels. One thing is how much advanced a game is, another one how good it looks.

The number does not make sense. I don't think Microsoft invested more than 100 million on Halo. Actually it is probable much less because of Game Pass. They need to give the game almost for free. They want to sell. Subscriptions.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

The number does not make sense. I don't think Microsoft invested more than 100 million on Halo. Actually it is probable much less because of Game Pass. They need to give the game almost for free. They want to sell. Subscriptions.

Gamepass is a huge moneymaker, but 500 millions is just some Rockstar bullshit, no one does that aside from... well, Rockstar.

 

[IntentionalPun]

If we want to talk about TLOU2 or Uncharted 4 downgrades, fine. But any reasonable person would say that they respected the look of their initial pretentations in their final game.
So acting for the tenth time like it's a mistery what will happen, I find it a bit too much. HZ2 will look pretty much as that trailer, as any other Sony exclusives of this gen.

Yeah I'm just talking about that typical difference; it can be pretty significant though. Sony makes beautiful games with even more beautiful cinematic sequences.

But those HZD 2 cinematics are mindblowing either way.

 

[Lethal01]

Ignore this please.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Yeah I'm just talking about that typical difference; it can be pretty significant though. Sony makes beautiful games with even more beautiful cinematic sequences.

But those HZD 2 cinematics are mindblowing either way.

Oh well sure, relative changes can happen, we cannot know. On the reverse side, any Sony exclusive gets accused of downgrade and changes are actually there for better or worst, so that's granted. What I don't expect, and I don't find logical to expect, is a true downgrade The Witcher 3 style. I'm chill because I pretty much know that the result will be similar at least, which is more than enough considering how incredible that trailer is. I will not go crazy for shits and giggles.

 

[yewles1]

His name is 'CRAIG' you uncultured swine!

More like "Crag," yikes.

 

[Metroiddarks]

So I wouldn't be surprised if 343i was sabotaging Halo Infinite on purpose. Look at the official screenshots they released. I thought these were taken from a bad youtube feed to make the game look awful but this was actually released by 343i in their press kit to be distributed.

Halo Infinite XGS Press Kit 2020 | Halo Infinite | Forums | Halo - Official Site

www.halowaypoint.com

Yes, the last screenshot came from 343i. This has to be 343i trying to tell us something.

Probably they don't want Halo became in a game as service, I don't know if that idea came from 343 or Xbox head but if this came from
Xbox head well basically we have an EA situation where constante income care more than the games you made.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Oh well sure, relative changes can happen, we cannot know. On the reverse side, any Sony exclusive gets accused of downgrade and changes are actually there for better or worst, so that's granted. What I don't expect, and I don't find logical to expect, is a true downgrade The Witcher 3 style. I'm chill because I pretty much know that the result will be similar at least, which is more than enough considering how incredible that trailer is. I will not go crazy for shits and giggles.

Yeah nothing else shown comes even close to how good that HZD trailer looked for me personally, including the UE5 demo.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Still waiting for 60 FPS uncharted 4

I am still waiting something looks as Uncharted 4 in xbox in general

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Yeah nothing else shown comes even close to how good that HZD trailer looked for me personally, including the UE5 demo.

Even if UE5 looks borderline photorealistic in the enviroments, HZ has so much density and scale while the UE5 demo is mostly constrained excluding the very final part, which is a desert for half of it. HZ gives you vibes of full immensity.

 

[sircaw]

Is that top picture really in game? Holy hells bells. They are masters.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Even if UE5 looks borderline photorealistic in the enviroments, HZ has so much density and scale while the UE5 demo is mostly constrained excluding the very final part, which is a desert for half of it. HZ gives you vibes of full immensity.

Yeah I'm sure it (UE5) wins "polygons on screen" wise but that H2 trailer was just something else art style/beauty wise

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

You know, I still have no idea how this magical SSD will affect Ps5 games. That's conceivably the only thing that could still create a real difference between the two consoles. 12tflops clearly hasn't done it so far... and I'm not really holding my breath thinking the SSD will, but I do really want to see evidence of what - if any - big difference it makes to next gen games.

Don't forget the faster the ssd and io the less data needed to be parked in ram, meaning more for the game on screen. PS5 only need 1 second worth of data stored into ram, a slower ssd and io needs more.

So it can easily have a real world effect on games visual quality.

It can allow flying at speed at ultra high quality like in UE5 or probably faster than that too with compression as someone said UE5 was raw but i could be wrong. Also could be fatster ssd speed if using oodle texture.

Little to no lod or pop in. Well where ssd and io is the bottleneck anyway.

Faster loading and opportunities for new gamplay here like ratchet and many other ways.

It's going to affect games in a huge way.

 

[Lethal01]

Yeah I'm sure it (UE5) wins "polygons on screen" wise but that H2 trailer was just something else art style/beauty wise

It had good skin rendering and facial animation, This was also a highlight of the first game.
But I think in every other aspect it loses to the UE5 demo.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

This is interesting... no matter what's posted in this tread Xbox is positivity is up.

Well let's not forget a lot heading to Halo are probably to see what all the fuss is about given the negative memes spreading etc. So that's probably not all good publicity. Although obviously its the popular flagship title so would have been highest anyway.

The event itself will have had high viewing feom PS fans to see what the competition offers.

Still nearly 4 times less watched I believe.

But undoubtedly there is huge interest in next gen. People want to see what its going to look like.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Probably they don't want Halo became in a game as service, I don't know if that idea came from 343 or Xbox head but if this came from
Xbox head well basically we have an EA situation where constante income care more than the games you made.

I think the decision to make it a GaaS came from MS, imagine having a big franchise like Halo being updated every month or so on your subscription service. That has to draw a lot of potential customers to spend $180 for a yearly Xbox GamePass Ultimate subscription, also there's XBGPU Perks where more likely than not you will get exclusive skins/currency or whatever for being a member. I mean, like you said, they want constant income but not necessarily from the game, but from the service.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Maybe that guy talking about XSX being less efficient than PS5 was right.

Ali Salehi... ? Crytek... I think he was on the ball.

But also this is an interesting one also...

It is easy. It is useless to have 12 boxes if they do not fit through the door all together.

You have 12 boxes to fill. So you can't pass all the boxes at once. You must decide which boxes will pass and which will not. That is handled by a coordinator. And the coordinator tells the delivery man which boxes to take.

Mrs. XSX wants to make the move as soon as possible, but it turns out that only 8 boxes can fit on the door at a time. The coordinator is fast, and also uses a box compressor so that 10 boxes can go through instead of 8, but there are several drawbacks. The compressor can only compress the red boxes, and the coordinator also has to coordinate many other things, street traffic, people passing through the door, the space in the room where the boxes are stored, the noise of neighbors who distract the delivery man, search and select what the boxes are filled with, etc. Also, the delivery man is not so fast and is very distracted filling and transporting boxes. So it passes the 10 boxes (not 12) at a certain speed "1x". The lady demands that the boxes arrive, but they do not arrive as quickly as the lady would like, since although she has many boxes, the system is not capable of managing all of them properly.

On the other hand we have Mrs. PS5. You only have 10 boxes to fill. But its door is twice as big, enough for all its boxes to enter at once and there is room for people to also enter and exit through the door. Furthermore, the coordinator has the ability to automatically discard unnecessary boxes, so he doesn't waste time checking boxes that are not going to be used. In addition, anyone in the environment can do the job of the coordinator or the delivery man (even at the same time). The compressor is not that new, but it can compress all boxes, whether they are red or blue. All. And the delivery man is more than twice as fast and manages to pass the boxes at the speed of "2.5x" in the worst case, and "5x" on many occasions. In addition, if someone is left free or without work, they can help to distribute boxes with the delivery man or coordinate work with the coordinator. All this makes this removal company the most efficient ever seen and that the number of boxes available is irrelevant. For that moving system, 12 boxes are not needed, with 10 you can do the same job (and more or better in some cases). Having more boxes would only make the price of the move more expensive without needing any of it.

Of course, having more boxes available always helps to advertise yourself as a top removal company compared to the competition, even if your removal company is normal and ordinary. But it is only that, a smokescreen.

That does not mean that XSX is bad, far from it, it is an extraordinary machine. But PS5 has an efficiency NEVER seen before.

It is true that on PC there are more powerful cards or more powerful systems, but you know that these cards are never used properly, they draw raw power, but they are never used. It is the scourge of PC, an ecosystem that is too varied and unusable. In addition to exorbitant prices.

And I've always been a PCLover, but things as they are, what I've seen on PS5 I only remember something similar when 3DFX and its Glide came out. Its astonishing speed leaves you speechless.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I think the decision to make it a GaaS came from MS, imagine having a big franchise like Halo being updated every month or so on your subscription service.

Probably the reason why Microsoft won't delay it. They can always release patches to fix the game up despite the product being a mess at launch.

It's basically it's how I don't want to see GaaS handled.

 

[bitbydeath]

Yeah I'm sure it (UE5) wins "polygons on screen" wise but that H2 trailer was just something else art style/beauty wise

Yeah, this scene in particular looks like something out of a Pixar movie.

 

[AveragePhoenix]

I hope we get surprises from PS next month. People have been saying ND have a new IP in the works, is that true? Will we see that? If not, I'd say this is a fair bet.

-God Of War 2 Cinematic trailer (Like H2 or Fable)
-Spiderman MM gameplay trailer
-A trailer of TLOU2, GOT and some other PS4 games being optimized for PS5, hopefully for free and not "remastered" versions that you have to buy, like the PS4 had.
-Maybe gameplay for Demon Souls, I mean, it's supossed to be a launch title, right?

I'd say that's enough to make a decent, short State Of Play.

 

[Dibils2k]

Yeah, this scene in particular looks like something out of a Pixar movie.

wasnt this just inengine? thats like saying the forza footage will be what the final game will be

 

[Imtjnotu]

Yeah, this scene in particular looks like something out of a Pixar movie.

if sony doesnt include a pelican simulator in this game its a no go from me

 

[TheAssist]

Can someone make a gif of a comparison between Halo Infinite's Batclaw and Doom Eternals Meat Hook?

I made this post

In defense of Halo Infinite's visuals

I've seen a lot of people a little disappointed that Halo Infinite isn't pushing the envelope, and I understand that. Usually the first round of new games for a game console don't really push it to the limit, I mean did we really imagine the PS4 would reach the heights it did when its first...

www.neogaf.com

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

The usual RDNA troll comments in reply but Paul but posted this...



Goes against that Sony guy said unless they are on about different ways to use it? Or just can support it?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

When I said that Outriders looks like a "decent" cross-gen on PS5 many were throwing shit at me, maybe we should look at it again and compare it to "other" crossgens with gorillas?

 

[bitbydeath]

wasnt this just inengine? thats like saying the forza footage will be what the final game will be

Yes, but do you expect there will be a difference when there was no difference between in-engine and in-game in H:ZD?

EDIT: Here's a close-up of in-game Aloy from H:ZD.

Here's cut-scene Aloy.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Goes against that Sony guy said unless they are on about different ways to use it? Or just can support it?

Somebody should ask him about that.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Is that top picture really in game? Holy hells bells. They are masters.

Also believe it or not, but the game loads faster than anything you've seen on the Velocity Architecture (3 seconds fast travel).

 

[Arkam]

Also believe it or not, but the game loads faster than anything you've seen on the Velocity Architecture (3 seconds fast travel).

I am still floored with how quick the "quick travel" actually is! Super impressive.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

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[Snowdonhoffen]

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[J_Gamer.exe]

Somebody should ask him about that.

Who the sony guy or @Dan_of_Rivia

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Who the sony guy or @Dan_of_Rivia

Lmao

I think MasterCornholio is referring to the Machine Learning feature right?

Well RGT has mentioned a few times that the PS5 does have it however I don't think it's on a hardware level, there was also a Ubisoft developer talking about how the PS5 GPU can power Machine Learning for all sorts of things and this was in one of the PS5 Wired articles.

You know RGT jokes aside, I find it weird myself how I remember so much of the stuff he has said. (<poor attempt by Paul aka Dan_of_Rivia to throw the scent of his trail)

 

[MasterCornholio]

Who the sony guy or @Dan_of_Rivia

RGT I mean. I wouldn't bother the Sony guy after what he's been through.

I don't think it's on a hardware level

That would make sense. Plus it would have some form of ML for BC at least thats what I was told here.

What I don't know about ML is if the GPU does it or the CPU.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Right, after a very good night of sleep, i think it was the meme's, its time for me to reflect abit.

Just some personal thoughts here.

I think Microsoft have some serious issues, the quality of that demo from Halo, all that pop in, the meme's that have come out. Everywhere i turn now i see that fucking Green Monkey thing, its really funny but it is really sad too.

for Microsoft to release their flagship game in that state, i am sorry someone needs to Go. It is just unacceptable.

Besides extremists, who wants to buy an xbox based on that show last night.
Microsoft needs to replace that studio.

After such hype + pr + fanboy bullshit that show was an utter trainwreck. I am sorry they have blown it.

Microsoft need to come in now with a price much lower than ps5, they need to undercut Ps5 by 50 bucks. Why would anyone who likes fantastic games want to choose Ms over Sony.

The dealer pod cast last night was giving it eights and nines, but you would not of know it from there voices, sounded more like a funeral than anything else.

I don't think sony Execs could of believed what they saw last night, honestly, that board room of theirs must have been out of control with laughter.

Microsoft are all noise, pr + bullshit.

And i am afraid this is only going to get worse.

Where is the new god of war, uncharted, new spiderman, i am going to stop here. Its already a fucking slaughter.

Shame on you Microsoft for doing this to your fans.
fucking shameful.

all the fucking spin, what a load of bullshit.

I want Sony to make it as brutal as possible, I want Xbox to vanish. A new competitor would step in, but it's extremely hard to compete against Sony that's backed with Cenima division, cameras and imaging, large tech for visuals and graphics, and it's a company that its main core is entertainment and art.

They've just crushed Canon and Nikon when people were laughing at it their mirrorless cameras at the beginning, and it'll continue to thrive because this company has passion and sticks with its products until they reach the shores of success.

Can't wait for the a7s III reveal, one of the major tech reveals I've been anticipating for years!