Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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X-Fighter said:
Because it's a streaming platform... We are talking about power not usage numbers. We know the specs that people still think that somehow the PS5 is the more powerful machine baffles me.
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Probably based on what we have seen so far. Which is nothing next gen running on the series X.
 
JonnyMP3 said:
And the Xbox fans are having fewer 😉 games to play because their 'Logic' is to boycott something such as COD.
Not sure that's actually logical though...
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Be a fan of anything is far or be defined as be smart, you can understand why in some countries Xbox is more popular.

For example in some countries Xbox is much cheaper than any Playstation so they grow with Xbox consoles and
the people is not exactly clever for naturale so they choose a brand.
 
X-Fighter said:
Because it's a streaming platform... We are talking about power not usage numbers. We know the specs that people still think that somehow the PS5 is the more powerful machine baffles me.

What is with this FUD that no games have been shown on XSX. DF already showed the Gears 5 footage...
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Nobody thinks the PS5 is more powerful. This argument needs to die, because it's bullshot.

Also, Gears 5 is not a next-gen game. And we haven't seen any Next Gen games running on the Series X.
 
X-Fighter said:
Because it's a streaming platform... We are talking about power not usage numbers. We know the specs that people still think that somehow the PS5 is the more powerful machine baffles me.


What is with this FUD that no games have been shown on XSX. DF already showed the Gears 5 footage...
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You're really taking that much stock on the 12TF figure above everything else?

Now I'm not saying the PS5 will definitely perform better in multiplat titles, but come on. It's entirely possible the performance egde could go either way right... right?
 
X-Fighter said:
Because it's a streaming platform... We are talking about power not usage numbers. We know the specs that people still think that somehow the PS5 is the more powerful machine baffles me.


What is with this FUD that no games have been shown on XSX. DF already showed the Gears 5 footage...
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Those are BC mode. Not cross gen or next gen games.

And no ,no one thinks ps5 is more powerful than xsx. Xsx will have upto 20% resolution advatage and better raytracing. Facts are facts . But things like odium saying xsx is 95% more powerful and had 80 x better raytracing , that type of bull shit , I don't jive with .
 
The failed marketing attempt with the CoD XBOX art was to convey they you could play the base version on both consoles. The pricier version disc should have been labeled as Cross-Gen version or something to clearly indicate which version includes access to the next gen update.

Regarding the PS5 pre order direct from Sony, what people are signing up for is a chance that your account might get an email that tells you ahead of their ore order when you can try to get first option at pre order as long as supplies last. It's also a lottery based on some criteria they know about your account. It is their way to try to help some of their gamers have a better chance to pre order than when standard pre order begins. It's probably a few hours in advance or when they open it up to public or something.
My only concern there would be if they charge for shipping. If I manage to buy through Best Buy or Amazon, I don't pay shipping.
 
Neo Blaster said:
Their Xbox messaging is confusing since 2013.
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As much as I am looking forward to the Series X they REALLY needed to straighten out and clarify their brand. Instead it has gotten even more diluted and confusing.

They needed to:
  • Ditch last gen and keep it a separate entity altogether.
  • Name the Series X something COMPLETELY different and use a more distinctive change in design for the logo.
  • Not bother with cross-get titles.
  • Have the Xbox brand be just about consoles, not all this Windows 10 BS mixed in.
None of the able will ever happen and Xbox will claim that its the right way forward. Except it's not.
 
prinz_valium said:
No, how would I be confused?
The left says Xbox One, the right Says Xbox Series X
That's the edition you get.
The badged below shows you on witch platform you can play the game.
And in both cases you can play on both platforms.
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You need to see both boxes to discern what the other is. If the shelf only has one or they both look so similar that you only see one then you could make the wrong choice.

Where as seeing both side by side (which you have just done) would then make you investigate more to find the difference.
 
Metroiddarks said:
Be a fan of anything is far or be defined as be smart, you can understand why in some countries Xbox is more popular.

For example in some countries Xbox is much cheaper than any Playstation so they grow with Xbox consoles and
the people is not exactly clever for naturale so they choose a brand.
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Yeah, from the UK where the Xbox 360 was really popular. But if the company doesn't keep up the pace with their competitors, it's a sinking ship. Sega still have many fans. Didn't stop them from leaving the console market because of poor business decisions by the company.

But if you're missing the point that I'm getting at is... The logic of boycotting a big franchise like COD means that Activision will want to publish less on the Xbox as they will not see it as worth the effort because of lower sales... Thus they're fucking up their own ecosystem of games.
This is not logic.
 
Wraith Phantom said:
Why would you feel sorry for them. They call themselves gamers & refuse to buy PS & miss out on games because their box of choice does'nt provide the experience they really want. Stupidity at its finest.Cant feel sorry for them. When they deny themselves gaming pleasure. For a corporation. lmao. It's all a unnecessary headache to try & make sense of an xbox gamer.

It's not bad management. Xbox set out what it was suppose to do. Come into gaming & monetize it. Xbox Live & online play was/is Xbox biggest achievement.And their ultimate goal. Thats why there hasn't been anything else great for them.Xbox live has shrunk badly they loss 40+ million subs thats a lot of money. So they are just back to pushing services. Xbox never came into gaming to make great games. It was always about monetising gaming services. Their current status is where they are supposed to be. As their DNA was to create reoccurring service fees.

Xbox are where they are suppose to be.Back to pushing services not caring about games & experiences etc,etc.
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good post.
 
X-Fighter said:
Because it's a streaming platform... We are talking about power not usage numbers. We know the specs that people still think that somehow the PS5 is the more powerful machine baffles me.
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I really though you will choose a better answer than is a streaming platform. The thing which surprise me is you are not really
able to understand the delta between the consoles is not all in one side and some game can work better in one than other.

Regarding Stadia the answer is much more complex and probably with many causes one of them:

Lack of games with a goal of high graphic fidelity dev to use that platform aded to this one their market is so small than is
not feasible to spend much money in make games which use the feaures of the GPU and CPU for that platform
 
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LiquidRex said:
Sorry for the erratic posts.. My phone is playing up....


But Yeah of course it could all be bollocks but.... Just in case there's some truth too it, I thought I'd share. 🤔

Don't mean any halm, and I'm definitely not claiming I'm an insider with sources etc.
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If you are wrong we Burn you down.
 
Moridianae said:
I can say this--if Sony does cut out retailers somewhat, with the already known Digital Editions existing(probably at a lower price), it will probably be the end for GameStop.

They've been hurting for a good while now and were banking on next-gen to give them a much needed boost. If they are limited in any way in addition to Digital Editions existing, it'll be catastrophic.


Also--GameStop will purposefully order less of the Digital Edition and/or refuse to stock it, because it's detrimental to their business model. So if you want one of the DEs, I'd look at other retailers.
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Imagine if Sony discounts just the PS5 DE when you buy directly from them to a lower price than GameStop or Amazon sells the PS5 DE. They could afford to discount it because no one else gets a cut of that sale.

So would retailers also drop the price to match or just hold price and end up losing sales?
 
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prinz_valium said:
No, how would I be confused?
The left says Xbox One, the right Says Xbox Series X
That's the edition you get.
The badged below shows you on witch platform you can play the game.
And in both cases you can play on both platforms.
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You wouldn't. But some definitely would. And believe you me (I was manager of a big gaming retail store), some definitely would

On the other hand I've seen and heard so many fucking weird things in this store, I'd be inclined to say some would probably find the PS4-5 one confusing as well

When some kid sends her gandma (or non-gamer adult) to pick up their ''COD'' or their ''GTA'', trust me, some questions and comments you hear can make you want to chew on glass
 
Darklor01 said:
The failed marketing attempt with the CoD XBOX art was to convey they you could play the base version on both consoles. The pricier version disc should have been labeled as Cross-Gen version or something to clearly indicate which version includes access to the next gen update.

Regarding the PS5 pre order direct from Sony, what people are signing up for is a chance that your account might get an email that tells you ahead of their ore order when you can try to get first option at pre order as long as supplies last. It's also a lottery based on some criteria they know about your account. It is their way to try to help some of their gamers have a better chance to pre order than when standard pre order begins. It's probably a few hours in advance or when they open it up to public or something.
My only concern there would be if they charge for shipping. If I manage to buy through Best Buy or Amazon, I don't pay shipping.
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Sony currently offers free 2 day shipping for PS Plus members if you buy a PS4 directly from their site. For PS5 it will likely be the same, perhaps a bit slower but free.
 
Handy Fake said:
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All of this is 1000% accurate.

kyliethicc said:
Agreed. You might find this interview with Jim Ryan interesting. He clearly agrees with your approach to marketing. It's a lot of insight into Sony's recent shift towards centralized marketing and 1 unified global corporate structure.

www.gamesindustry.biz

Sony's Jim Ryan: We had to make changes to deliver our PlayStation 5 dream

Jim Ryan wants to have a word.
www.gamesindustry.biz www.gamesindustry.biz
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Yep. That's how it works. Every single successful marketing campaign in history: Clear, concise, focused, with strong continuity across the board.

...and now I sound like I'm in a lecture hall, so I'm going to stop :)
 
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Vae_Victis said:
This is going to be nightmare fuel for granny trying to pick up a game for little Timmy.

Why do both versions name both consoles on the box? My understanding is that the XSX version is the $70 one, the "Cross-gen edition" or whatever, so it should also work on X1... and I want to assume the X1 version works on XSX through backwards compatibility, so that's why XSX is named?

The dumbest part is that there is absolutely no difference in visual design connected to compatibility with the two consoles: same exact layout, same colours and everything, even the label at the top is confusing and contradictory with the black line just below it.

Unless they explicitly write it somewhere very visible, when XSX-only games come out I can easily see more than one person mistakenly assume they would also run on X1, considering how confusing the whole "compatibility", "optimized for" and "there are no generations" buzzword game has become.

I would have assigned XSX a different shade of green, either darker or lighter, so at least you can pick up at a glance what is what, and for games compatible with both consoles you can make it split vertically and use both, naming X1 on one side and XSX on the other in their respective color areas.
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I think the only reason they made two boxes is Activision's decision to charge for the upgrade. There was no way for Xbox to have a single box with a $70 price while PS would have one for $60 and other for $70.
 
SSfox said:
As it is now, i can pass on PS5 day one.

But if Demon Souls or GT7 are day one, that will be another story though
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I think i am pretty much the same, it will be out of control here, Ps5 day release i am not going out. Gona board myself up all walking dead style and wait a few days before going to the shops.

Avoid those Crowds, avoid the next week of very angry mums and dads.

I might just wait 6 months till Horizon zero dawn comes out with a console deal, game included and some fancy design on the console.

I really don't know, well i need to know what the price is first.

Exciting times ahead.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
Those are BC mode. Not cross gen or next gen games.

And no ,no one thinks ps5 is more powerful than xsx. Xsx will have upto 20% resolution advatage and better raytracing. Facts are facts . But things like odium saying xsx is 95% more powerful and had 80 x better raytracing , that type of bull shit , I don't jive with .
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Gears 5 wasn't BC mode I think. That was the actual game with updated textures and all. It's a cross-gen game.

I agree that with the rest, saying Xbox is 95% more powerful or 80x RT is ridiculous.

Metroiddarks said:
I really though you will choose a better answer than is a streaming platform. The thing which surprise me is you are not really
able to understand the delta between the consoles is not all in one side and some game can work better in one than other.

Regarding Stadia the answer is much more complex and probably with many causes one of them:

Lack of games with a goal of high graphic fidelity dev to use that platform aded to this one their market is so small than is
not feasible to spend much money in make games which use the feaures of the GPU and CPU for that platform
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I don't think developers have a lot of optimizing to do for Stadia. It's a PC in the cloud, if it runs on PC it'll be able to run on Stadia.
 
sircaw said:
Demand is SKy high, imagine your a Sony fan and you can't get your hands on a the ps5 this xmas.

I see Riots lol.
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I'm not in a rush. I'm extremely patient and I'd prefer waiting till spring 2021 to get mine instead of rushing to buy one on launch day and increasing the chances of ending with a defective unit which is way more common with launch day units. I'll wait
 
X-Fighter said:
I don't think developers have a lot of optimizing to do for Stadia. It's a PC in the cloud, if it runs on PC it'll be able to run on Stadia.
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Is a joke right.

I mean at least you think a server works exactly as your PC, any program with level complexitly is not enough to say "run" is not the
university where archive the a goal of the software was all doesn't matter the optimizations in low level.
 
Metroiddarks said:
Is a joke right.

I mean at least you think a server works exactly as your PC, any program with level complexitly is not enough to say "run" is not the
university where archive the a goal of the software was all doesn't matter the optimizations in low level.
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It's not like it's porting it to Switch, even Ubisoft says it's not even that costly (source)

It's reasonable to assume that a Stadia port would generally be a lighter workload than, say, a console port if a PC version already exists.
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kyliethicc said:
If Sony is smart, they will sell the digital PS5 at a lower price directly from their own site than other retailers. So if everyone else is selling it for $450, Sony could sell it themselves for $400 and probably make the same amount of profit.
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Wouldn't that irreparably damage Sony's standing with retailers? Would be quite the slap in the face to them, plus, I'm not even sure how much that would save Sony. Since when are retailer markups $60 to $80 on these consoles? Haven't these been historically only 3-5%? Everyone makes the profit on the blades not the razors, unless a brand is trying to aggressively cut the retailers out of the blade market, which I'm sure they will be super thrilled about.
 
X-Fighter said:
It's not like it's porting it to Switch, even Ubisoft says it's not even that costly (source)
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So you are telling me is normal a version of 10.7 GCN (basically a vega 56) and intel CPU
much more powerfull than the current consoles, 16 GB of ram just offers a similar performance
than a Xbox one X (less than a rx 580) even sometimes worst.

After all this any optmization is need it in your opinion?

My point is any system if you want to really the third party use its potential you will need more than just offer
hardware, you need a market which is disposed to buy software in the new system/service because if not well
as you say they will only port the version from PC and good luck.
 
sircaw said:
I think i am pretty much the same, it will be out of control here, Ps5 day release i am not going out. Gona board myself up all walking dead style and wait a few days before going to the shops.

Avoid those Crowds, avoid the next week of very angry mums and dads.

I might just wait 6 months till Horizon zero dawn comes out with a console deal, game included and some fancy design on the console.

I really don't know, well i need to know what the price is first.

Exciting times ahead.
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You're a brave man. First chance I have at ordering one, I'm off the cliff like a fucking lemming.
 
X-Fighter said:
Gears 5 wasn't BC mode I think. That was the actual game with updated textures and all. It's a cross-gen game.

I agree that with the rest, saying Xbox is 95% more powerful or 80x RT is ridiculous.


I don't think developers have a lot of optimizing to do for Stadia. It's a PC in the cloud, if it runs on PC it'll be able to run on Stadia.
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I think the difference you have to realise is that with a Stadia, you're not just connecting to a single PC that is all yours.
 
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