akaFullmetal
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I don't see anything wrong with the name, it's a pass for video, video pass. Makes sense for a name and advertising.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yeah… that is what I am afraid it incentivises…
ToadMan
Member
MS already have those office products in house - they are milking a cash cow they already own and cornered the market with. For GP you're suggesting they pay 3rd parties for content and receive 0% ROI in the transaction - not gonna make the money MS want.
Oh and netflix?
Netflix shares plunge amid fears coronavirus boom is over
Netflix isn't profitable and never has been - yes they may have more money in the bank than they spent over 1Q, but accounting for amortisation and spending on new content, they've always been making a net loss...
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Which is a strange fear since the entire industry moved that way many years ago.
There is no increase of microtransactions for sub based games, that already happened years ago in the entire industry.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Netflix has never not been profitable.
Where do you guys get this myth, and why do you keep repeating it?
And Netflix still grew lol.. their stock plunged because of crazy expectations.. the stock market is reactive to stupid shit.. Netflix long term is an insanely solid company. Not that the comparison is that great to game subs in the first place.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
There is still a big difference for the console games I can and buy now and what I see on mobile, so no… the train has not left the station…
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That's exactly what I said. Netflix kept investing and investing instead of sitting on their laurels. That's why they never made any profit for over ten years. But they HAVE finally started posting profits and stopped borrowing since last year. Their revenue is $25 billion a year and their programming budget is $19 billion. They can cut down that budget to half and double if not triple their profits right away, but they aren't because they know how important it is to continue supporting their platform with content.
As for paying 3rd parties, MS has to do that now because they dont have any first party titles available at the moment. Netflix didnt either and they were paying out of their ass for third party licenses. They still do. IIRC, they paid $500 million for office and more than that for Seinfeld. But they also heavily invested in original programming which costs far less and that's partly the reason why Microsoft bought zenimax. I agree, paying 3rd parties $300 million for one game isnt particularly attractive. But like Netflix, they know that. Like $13 billion of that $19 billion Netflix has budgeted is spent on original programming.
And with Disney+ and HBO breathing down their neck, Netflix pretty much has no choice but to continue to invest in original programming. Which IS good for consumers and thats why I am no longer a gamepass skeptic. MS cant afford to lose subscribers. Especially when Sony decides to join and MS has to start competing with another gaming service.
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SSfox
Member
Nice, after 15 years of milking people, well better late than never as some says.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe you should look at their financials once in a while.
they’ve been profitable since 2003 when they were mailing DVDs. You’ve only had 18 years to check them out.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
People have an assumption anything subscription based loses money.
I am sure we keep cycling through the same debates.
- Jim Ryan is a dumbass
- Gamepass isn't profitable (this includes the Netflix debate about their profitability)
- Some stupid thing about RDNA 2/1.1
- UE5 demo running on a laptop
It's kinda like being stuck in a loop.
- Jim Ryan is a dumbass
- Gamepass isn't profitable (this includes the Netflix debate about their profitability)
- Some stupid thing about RDNA 2/1.1
- UE5 demo running on a laptop
It's kinda like being stuck in a loop.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I will take this over the debates last two years when some folks were convinced github leaks were real and PS5 was 9 tflops. And that was after Gonzalo which was only 1.8 ghz or 8 tflops. They would NOT let it go. Even after Sony revealed the final tflops count.
Sony had confirmed hardware RT back in October 2019, but because of github, we had to entertain this software only nonsense up until launch.
I also remember people mocking Cerny when he said his SSD was faster than any SSD on the market back in April 2019. After going through all this nonsense for years, this current loop doesnt seem too bad.
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xShaun
Member
You are in a simulation. To break free you must wake up.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Gamepass is $120 a year, $180 if you want to play online. It's not "free to play" games.
It's not really designed to be cheap.. or somehow make less money than selling games for $60. It's designed to scale and bring in a near guaranteed large revenue stream not directly tied to a series of game releases.
That's it. Get people in ecosystem; give them what appears to be a pretty good deal.. sell them lots of other stuff.
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Great Hair
Banned
You are assuming that they have a high retention rate. But what if 50% jump off after 30 or 60 days and back onto the wagon whenever they see fit.
bitbydeath
Member
Even if it is, it looks great and would still be on UE4, we should expect another graphical boost once UE5 becomes available for devs.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think we are going in circles, I get what it is designed to do ($120/180 per player a year is still small if you spread it across all publishers and still look at games not made optimised for it… the “sell them lots of other stuff” which really means we agree here) and the engagement model that powers it or Netflix.
I disagree that right bow the console experience is as microtransactions heavy as you put it and far far removed to a scenario where all gamers paid the yearly subscriptions and the perceived value of games cratered which would leave predatory microtransactions as the answer.
Again, the games I can and do buy now are not the predatory kind this model would breed more and more of.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Netflix doesn't have that engagement model though.. they only have a sub service to sell.
That's my point; the comparisons are flawed.
And I'm not just talking about engagement for the games on the service, you are missing what I'm saying; a fraction of games available on Xbox are on GamePass. The vast majority that are, aren't on GamePass indefinitely, and you are encouraged to buy them. Netflix doesn't have $60 movies for sale that aren't on the sub, Netflix isn't selling you movies as they leave the service either.
Either way, the service exists to make.. more money, from games, than MS was making before.. and it doesn't exist to do that with microtransactions. It exists to do that by scaling enormously, which I believe MS will fail at.
They aren't trying to make a shitty service where every game makes you wait 3 hours to build a tank unless you pay $1 to speed up the tank building.. they are creating a service for the types of games that are already being created.
Yup, again, they are offering it free for PS+ subscribers. Its their own movie service. There's nothing extra to do as a user right now. Its like claiming the games for the Plus IGC. Either do it or dont.
I agree with this 100%.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Does it matter what the retention rate is if they have more than doubled their monthly userbase in a year? They had 10 million subs in April 2020. 23 million today. And its been a gradual increase like I mentioned above. They didnt just get to 23 million just for April. They have been growing.
As for the rest, I dont think they have to pay a cut. They pay the cost upfront. Netflix paid $500 million for Seinfeld and the Office. That's their upfront cost. This isnt like game sales where they get to keep a cut. Their cut is all the revenue they make every month. The first check they write is all they have to pay.
Little Chicken
Member
I don't get trying to understand Game Pass' profitability because it's impossible. They've probably planned to sink millions into it over the next 5 years and not expect a profit.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Exactly! I can't wait for Sony to announce free cloud saves. I'm sure the announcement will hit any day now.
Great Hair
Banned
They also claimed having 25mln. playing Forza 4 Horizon and 20mln. Sea of Thieves but have not for like a decade shared any concrete numbers. If GPU was this successful, wouldn´t they at least share what the splitt is, wouldn´t every publisher jump on?
Anyway, we are comparing a $60 service with a $120 to $200 one. And Gamepass PC is still leagues behind the console counterpart for some strange reason.
bitbydeath
Member
Sony have been doing deals with Disney and Netflix lately so this may be interesting.
Sony Films Will Move to Disney After Netflix Window Expires
The deal, which covers theatrical releases from 2022-26, sees Sony titles hit Disney following their post-PVOD windows on Netflix.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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FatKingBallman
Banned
FidelityFX present in The Village PS5 demo.
Naaah. Sony didn't mentioned it, doesn't count!!
base
Banned
What if he's younger than that?
ethomaz
Banned
FidelityFX is a set of algorithms/tools available for developers using AMD hardware.... it is available to use since the hardware supports it.
FidelityFX present in The Village PS5 demo.
Said that you need look at the names... MS announce and these being used in PS5 REVIII are different.
FidelityFX Contrast Adaptive Sharpening (CAS)
FidelityFX Single Pass Downsampler (SPD)
FidelityFX Combined Adaptive Compute Ambient Occlusion (CACAO)
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oldergamer
Member
That logic is whackWith regards the UE5 demo where they commented on the nearly 500 statues, all those statues were loaded in even off screen right? hence why they stated the number of Polygons in that room... So there was no culling/scrubbing... This would mean with cache scrubbing and loading in only what the player sees, would mean the demo could have run at a much higher resolution and much higher fps.
LiquidRex
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MasterCornholio
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ethomaz
Banned
It is open source.
There are several FidelityFX features/tools and which one can be used depend of the hardware support.
FidelityFX is a open source image quality toolkit optimized to RDNA and RDNA 2.
Due the open source nature even nVidia can use and optimize it but that will never happen
You can read more here: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software-fidelityfx
Or here: https://gpuopen.com/effects/
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MasterCornholio
Member
That definitely makes sense because both consoles are based off RDNA2.
FatKingBallman
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ethomaz
Banned
I did shadow edit.
It is not exactly exclusive to AMD hardware because it is open source but only AMD hardware support it right now so it is the same than exclusive to AMD hardware.
I don’t believe nVidia will ever support it because they have similar tools in their proprietary set.
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LiquidRex
Member
Is it expected Sony will build their own type of FidelityFX incorporating its custom GE.
MasterCornholio
Member
Are you sure?
Well yes AMD says it.
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
Eric Jensen, Lead Designer on Days Gone, Reiterates Thanks for All Those Who Played the Game
Great, now announce Days Gone 2 and tag Jason Scherier on Twitter.
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FatKingBallman
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LiquidRex
Member
If this true, then older titles could be re-engineered on the fly, for example a PS1 titles upscaled in Resolution, FPS, colorization etc.
3liteDragon
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MasterCornholio
Member
FatKingBallman
Banned
But the github leak was from AMD.
And only that was legit. What came after that is fake. Man, i'm just kidding with you.
Derift
Member
Honestly this is so Rich coming from a fan of the Company that started the whole pay for multilayer thing....
SportsFan581
Member
But the github leak was from AMD.
I don't get the hate at the github leak, everything there was 100% accurate, it just wasn't 100% complete. It's the github deniers that look like fools, not the other way around.
Obviously there were changes as development progressed (both increased clocks from the github data, etc.).
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