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01011001
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Can you just stop posting shit like this ? Like Sony is an incompetent hardware company . Whenever they put out a console it had been the strongest console when released . So cut that shit out please . Thanks
that was a joke... and what I said happened, so I don't know what you want from me? that literally happened you know...
they had to make a deal with Nvidia after they realised that the Cell Chip could only produce PS2 quality graphics in HD, and many believe that this deal wasn't in Sony's favour since Nvidia knew they had no other choice but to take their deal as Sony was already late.
DemonCleaner
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it's happening 
8K, WTF Phil who greenlighted that?
8K, WTF Phil
who greenlighted that?
01011001
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this is an RTX Titan running games at 8k ultra and even getting pretty good framerates
of course this is a massive GPU,
but I think it is realistic to assume less demanding games reaching 8k30 no problem, especially when using VRS.
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Shin
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Agnostic2020
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Xsx die size is 340 mm2 according to rogame .
smaller than Scorpio which was 360 mm2
smaller than Scorpio which was 360 mm2
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Proelite
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He used the housing of the soc to measure the chip.
Might as welled used the console size.
401mm2 by Usman.
Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
PocoJoe
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Well, for the first time in years, Sony's new (leaked) mobile phone looks pretty damn good.
Leaks of Sony's Xperia 5 Plus show bigger screen, better camera
Sony's Xperia 5 was a welcome refresh, but its 6.1-inch size made it a tough sell if you wanted a large phone. Relief may be on the horizon, though, and you'll apparently get considerably more than just a bigger screen. OnLeaks and SlashLeaks have posted renders and specs for an Xperia 5 Plus...www.engadget.com
I have Xperia 1 and it is best phone I have had, real premium feel. Screen is just gorgeus thing and 21:9 is 2000% better than fatter screens, first it felt bit long but after that it is just nice to use and "wider" screens feel clumsy
Sony havent got real credit for their innovations in phones, and they have made good phones but they sadly wont gain much of momentum because of samsung&apple are so damn popular that people cant even think about getting anything else.
I dont remember the list, but I saw things that Sony have implemented in their phones before others and there were quite many things like waterproofing and other stuff.
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Hostile_18
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1am uk time 
If we don't get any answers I feel we will all be crazy by the time it goes get revealed in Feb/March at this rate
If we don't get any answers I feel we will all be crazy by the time it goes get revealed in Feb/March at this rate
Agnostic2020
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Only 9 tf ? What happened to 12 tf ??wtfHe used the housing of the soc to measure the chip.
Might as welled used the console size.
401mm2 by Usman.
Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...wccftech.com
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sonomamashine
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01011001
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there are videos of a Radeon VII running Battlefield V at 8k30. my point is that 8k is not some unreachable resolution many make it out to be.
you can't expect a AAA graphics showcase to run at 8k60 of course. but a smaller game that is less demanding can easily offer an 8k30 mode for those who want it.
let's take Hitman 2 for example, that runs at around 8k30 on a Radeon VII, so maybe the developers can release a patch for it to give players that option on next gen machines.
optimise it and maybe turn down one or two expensive effects... absolutely no issue.
so 8k is not an unrealistic resolution to reach. that was my point.
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sonomamashine
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some estimations are Xbox Scarlett APU at roughly 401mm², which is an increase of almost 42mm² over the Xbox Scorpio chip at 359mm².
Agnostic2020
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Mike Ybarra is throwing shades again at Ms now saying don't over promise and under deliver . Someone get his quote please
Proelite
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The die size math is sound, even if inaccurate. The speculations you can believe it if it makes you happy.
Even for speculation, it's flawed. The 9tf doesn't take into account clock speed.
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chemical boy
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Agnostic2020
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It's ok 9 TF Xbox is still plenty powerful
I am just joking if you didn't know . Xbox will be 12 Navi TF imo
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Evilms
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GTX 1060 die size 200 mm²
GTX 1070/1070Ti/1080 die size 314 mm²
GTX 1080Ti/Titan X/Titan Xp die size 471 mm²
RTX 2060/2060S/2070 die size 445 mm²
RTX 2070S/2080/2080S die size 545 mm²
RTX 2080Ti/Titan die size 754 mm²
RX 580 die size 232 mm²
RX Vega 56/64 die size 495 mm²
Radeon VII die size 331 mm²
RX 5700/5700XT die size 251 mm²
GTX 1070/1070Ti/1080 die size 314 mm²
GTX 1080Ti/Titan X/Titan Xp die size 471 mm²
RTX 2060/2060S/2070 die size 445 mm²
RTX 2070S/2080/2080S die size 545 mm²
RTX 2080Ti/Titan die size 754 mm²
RX 580 die size 232 mm²
RX Vega 56/64 die size 495 mm²
Radeon VII die size 331 mm²
RX 5700/5700XT die size 251 mm²
Nickolaidas
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The slightest ceo / dev / bighat tweet makes us go
Gudji
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sonomamashine
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This is what i said : it will run games native 8k plaint, wich is what a smaller game /less demanding will do obviously.
you might see current gen ports at 8k, next gen games at native 8k, i don't think so.
Nickolaidas
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PS5: It can run PSOne games in Native 8K at 60fps!
I can already see the likes on Twitter.
I can already see the likes on Twitter.
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Aceofspades
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looks bigger than the X soc
Brad Sams is so clueless about technology, he called that a CPU !!
xool
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My gut feeling is that is what we'll be getting (1440p, or near enough via checkboard) for most games. There well might be a mid gen refresh too, this time for 8k, which is finally capable of doing 4 k properly.
Definately won't be seeing any true native 4k games outside racing etc. certain of it. just because they always overpromise
chemical boy
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342mm
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sonomamashine
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I'm pretty sure Halo will be native 4k.
01011001
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but those current gen games already look petty fantastic, 8k Hitman 2 is not a bad looking game.
also VRS is something that really doesn't take away a lot of the image quality, so I wouldn't mind if it gets used heavily next gen to reach high resolutions and framerates.
so I wouldn't disqualify games using it. like if a game runs at 8k but with VRS I would still say that's an 8K game. it is less intrusive than even checkerboarding, and even that can make for some really convincingly native looking images when implemented well.
and checkerboarding would be another way to get a convincingly 8K looking image out of a 12TF or even 10TF GPU, the higher the resolution the less noticeable checkerboarding artifacts are.
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sonomamashine
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I don't care, we are just talking about the power of next gen and what it wont do.
mckmas8808
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I actually like the look of this. Looks like a console that a stormtrooper in Starwars would have in their room on a starship lol
Dee Dah Dave
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Maybe you are reading Mikes comment the wrong way. Scarlett might be 15TF!
xool
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estimate comes in lower if you assume the whole module is 50x50mm2 like oneX - tried this but it doesn't match smt size
based on smt sizes is almost certainly much higher
He used the housing of the soc to measure the chip.
Might as welled used the console size.
401mm2 by Usman.
Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
You can see the error _rogame made in this shot from wccf :
Scarlet (left) board has 3 rows of smt not 2 like in the OneX
I agree with wccf - my estimates make chip very high 300s (~390mm2), maybe touching 400mm2, based on smt size (big error margin though)
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chemical boy
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Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
wccftech.com
It may be because according to this website Xbox SX has 9 Tflops. If true, MS will have much to clarify ...
HeisenbergFX4
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Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
It may be because according to this website Xbox SX has 9 Tflops. If true, MS will have much to clarify ...
Why would they have much to clarify? MS has not given us an official number yet.
sonomamashine
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Like what ?
Proelite
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Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
It may be because according to this website Xbox SX has 9 Tflops. If true, MS will have much to clarify ...
Article was update to 12TF. Seems like MS saw the backlash against 9TF. And bumped the clocks a few mins ago.
Agnostic2020
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Yea I feel assuming the casing are similar size threw his estimate offestimate comes in lower if you assume the whole module is 50x50mm2 like oneX - tried this but it doesn't match smt size
based on smt sizes is almost certainly much higher
You can see the error _rogame made in this shot from wccf :
Scarlet (left) board has 3 rows of smt not 2 like in the OneX
I agree with wccf - my estimates make chip very high 300s (~390mm2), maybe touching 400mm2, based on smt size (big error margin though)
01011001
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xool
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yeah - forgot about that - I don't FPS..
chemical boy
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Because they are letting people think that their console is 12 Tflops and if they were finally 9 Tflops it would be a blow to them. If it is confirmed that Xbox is 9 Tflops will be a negative impact for them, they should cut it already.
DeepEnigma
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Xbox Scarlett APU Die Shot Analysis: Die Size Estimated
Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to...
It may be because according to this website Xbox SX has 9 Tflops. If true, MS will have much to clarify ...
Lines up with "2 times the X1X GPU performance" more (taking RDNA efficiency into account), than 12 RDNA does.
I am still in the double digits for it.
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Agnostic2020
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9 to 12 maximum it says . Yea MS few seconds ago upclocked the box severely. Hope it won't have heat issue
01011001
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but they never said it was 12tf... the hell are you talking about? that 12tf is from a leak
Agnostic2020
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They tweeted several articles were it said 12 Navi TF .
What the hell are we even arguing about ? It will be 12 Navi TF. End of story
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