Vinex
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No problem at all I'm just saying that you could go with someone who is still working in the industry & more reliable like Jason schreier, No??Why LOL?! I mean, just speculation? What's the problem?
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Gediminas
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the same happened with xbox360.
DJ12
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Nope.
Maybe if you go to PC world and pick up all these parts at retail price you'll get near a grand lol
But way to dismiss something that doesn't agree with your preference.
MS and Sony have a R&D budget for consoles, which doesn't really add to the BOM. This paid for the R&D amazingly, so these £500~1000 APUs actually are already paid for, and the only additional costs now are getting these chips fabbed.
You are looking at £200 tops per chip. Of course everything else will be massively discounted over retail due to the expected sales. I think you are just chatting it to be honest as your better than this.
If you have no problem with MS having 12tfs and ~52 CUs, then I don't believe you can have that much of an issue with PS5 being ~56CUs other than not wanting it to be true.
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ResilientBanana
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There's no way, the system would be massive.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I couldn't care less about 12tf or Xbox or whatever in the case, it makes no difference, but prices for technology go up exponentially when it comes to higher end equipment, and the cost difference between 8-10tf is far less than the cost difference between 10-12tf.
this whole ting started with ms being impossible to hit 12tf because it's unrealistic and blah blah blah, yet now people are living in this fantasy world where Sony will have the worlds most powerful consumer 14tf GPU, more powerful than any consumer GPU on the pc market even, all for £400...? And all of this doesn't seem wrong to you at all?
So if I've said all along that a 12 tf is a very crazy number that likely won't be achieved but is still possible, barely, why on earth would I suddenly think 14tf is?
Be realistic for a moment and just think about what you're saying. You honestly believe that Sony, or Microsoft, or Nintendo, or Sega even if you want, has got such an amazing deal, that they can get all these parts for like 10% of their retail cost, and then sell them for a crazy low price?
That's the question I'm asking. I'm saying, in what world can Sony release a 14tf machine for £400. Or even £500. Or even £600? from a purely business point of view, a 14tf machine is stupidly good, it's better than anything on the pc market, and they could easily sell it at £1000 and still people would be happy paying the price for what they are getting, when you think about everything else it comes with.
this whole ting started with ms being impossible to hit 12tf because it's unrealistic and blah blah blah, yet now people are living in this fantasy world where Sony will have the worlds most powerful consumer 14tf GPU, more powerful than any consumer GPU on the pc market even, all for £400...? And all of this doesn't seem wrong to you at all?
So if I've said all along that a 12 tf is a very crazy number that likely won't be achieved but is still possible, barely, why on earth would I suddenly think 14tf is?
Be realistic for a moment and just think about what you're saying. You honestly believe that Sony, or Microsoft, or Nintendo, or Sega even if you want, has got such an amazing deal, that they can get all these parts for like 10% of their retail cost, and then sell them for a crazy low price?
That's the question I'm asking. I'm saying, in what world can Sony release a 14tf machine for £400. Or even £500. Or even £600? from a purely business point of view, a 14tf machine is stupidly good, it's better than anything on the pc market, and they could easily sell it at £1000 and still people would be happy paying the price for what they are getting, when you think about everything else it comes with.
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And that's fine. It's not a portable.
splattered
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What is 13.8tf navi as the gcn equivalent?
bhunachicken
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13.8TF. A teraflop is a teraflop.
webber
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11.1 TF RDNA
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I'm totally fine with a 1000$ Pro console that can last me a generation. That price over 7+ years is nothing. I'm still playing my launch PS4.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
So Sony went PS3 crazy and is selling at $600 and losing $200 per...but this time they put the money in the right place and our eyes will melt? Oh and it'll be difficult to fit in the door and you'll need your neighbor to help you move it in? Am I getting all this right?
saintjules
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Then I wonder about the S/N being registered.
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saintjules
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That PS+ Premium rumor from that Pastebin leak (Dec. 2018) is sounding more plausible now.What changes would current playstation owners like to the subscription model sony employ currently?
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
I agree that it is an incredibly moronic idea to suggest a 14 TF PS5 - but performance doesn't correlate exponentially with price. It 's as simple as using more die space for more CUs. If a 9 TF APU costs $110, an 18 TF APU costs around $220. The issue is energy consumption. You can't put that much performance into a console shaped box and cool it with air. Not until 2024 and 3nm.
Plus we already know what kind of jumps are possible while keeping the same TDP. Pro was 2.x times PS4 after three years. And that's around the same jump we will see now with already increased power consumption of Zen 2 vs Jaguar.
Nickolaidas
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Not if its cooled with the sweatdrops of pure-hearted virgin maidens.
01011001
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yeah, Honestly the PS5 is almost guaranteed to be in the 9 to 10 Tflop ballpark.
the only question is: is the Series X stronger than that, weaker than that or basically the same. (most likely it will be very similar and if not it will be fucking expensive as hell)
a 12 or even 13 Tflop gpu would push the prices of these systems up to at least $600 if not more.
you can only put so much tech into a home console until it starts becoming too expensive, even if you compensate that by selling at a loss.
and I think even a 9.2Tflop PS5 at $450 would either barely break even or be sold at a loss.
the PS4 was right at the edge of that, selling at $400, having a $200 PC GPU equivalent and a pretty mediocre 500GB HDD.
now people expect the PS5 to have a super high end SSD and the equivalent of a $900 PC GPU at a reasonable price...
does anyone see the issue here?
we should expect 9-10Tflop and everything above that is a pleasant surprise.
keep your expectations in check or you will be disappointed
Neo Blaster
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Completely different scenarios, there was virtually no competition to PS2 in that generation.
Neo Blaster
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The same can be said about the supposed 12TF for XSX, funny how everything came from a literal interpretation of a relative metric Phil used.
Whitecrow
Banned
Mmm... wrong.
A TFlop is a quantity measurement just as GHz for processors.
The way you handle flops or Hz makes a difference.
Newer architectures and designs can get more performance for the same quantity of whatever you want to throw at them.
BGs
Industry Professional
As it seems that every time I speak the bread goes up, I need to say this because otherwise they will cut my balls. We will clarify my old comment on "13.8" for those who need clarification.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
Como parece que cada vez que hablo sube el pan, necesito decir esto porque sino me van a cortar las cojones. Vamos a aclarar mi antiguo comentario sobre los "13.8" para quién necesite aclaración.
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
joe_zazen
Member
there are a few ways to get a >8TF ps5 without ignoring the 36 CU github ps5 leak. Dual gpu is one of them.
People conflate dual gpu with crossfire/SLi, both of which were kinda trash; or the cards that had two chips but were essentially using crossfire/sli. This is not what a dual ps5 would use.
Amd cpus are already using chiplet designs to massively increase core count; and AMD has been researching infinity fabric to make this process work for gpus and better cpus. Further, according to Nvidia's top research scientist, chiplet gpus are already 'a tool in the gpu designer's toolkit', it is just that they are not economically feasible. https://semiengineering.com/the-future-of-gpus/
If (big if) AMD tech has reached a point where they are now economically feasible, next gen AMD top-of-the-line cards could be epic in terms of TFs, and maybe we'll see it in a console.
github has two ps5 gpus and linux drivers have new navi entries for slave and master gpus. As well as the fact that trying to clock a 40/40 cu gpu at 2+ghz to get a competitive TF is utterly ludicrous for a console, well...dual gpus isn't as crazy as some think. Otherwise, a 36 CU ps5 means an 8.X ps5.
still, sony is cheap AF and this quote from Sony CEO makes me think 8.X ps5 is what we'll see:
they want people to buy-in quick and they are not going to sacrifice profitability. Only way to do that is $400 cheap to build console, kinda like ps4.
SiAs it seems that every time I speak the bread goes up, I need to say this because otherwise they will cut my balls. We will clarify my old comment on "13.8" for those who need clarification.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
Como parece que cada vez que hablo sube el pan, necesito decir esto porque sino me van a cortar las cojones. Vamos a aclarar mi antiguo comentario sobre los "13.8" para quién necesite aclaración.
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
BGs
Industry Professional
Neo Blaster
Member
And they've just debunked every single leak that contains a price in it.
What if MS is doing the same? Gosh, next gen ain't gonna happen!!
juaco1993
Neo Member
Yes, 13,8 TFlops in GCN would be 11,04 RDNA TFlops equivalent performance (1 Tflop RDNA performs 1,25 times better than GCN).As it seems that every time I speak the bread goes up, I need to say this because otherwise they will cut my balls. We will clarify my old comment on "13.8" for those who need clarification.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
Como parece que cada vez que hablo sube el pan, necesito decir esto porque sino me van a cortar las cojones. Vamos a aclarar mi antiguo comentario sobre los "13.8" para quién necesite aclaración.
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
Lol, it's funny that you said 13.8 because thats a figure that was mentioned in some point in time. Lucky guess I think? Anyhow, it's good to have some people from the industry here. Please keep on posting!
13.8 Tflops GCN serían 11.04 RDNA. Me hace gracia que ese número (13,8) fue mencionado anterirormente. Pura coincidencia? jajaja. De todas formas, me alegro que sigas acá posteando BG's. Es bueno tener alguien de la industria. Sigue asi!
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spartan30gr
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LED Guy?
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Yes I go with Jason Schreier as well, and seems like what Jason says also lines up with Klee in terms of consoles' specs and whatnot.
Nivek OnlyOn
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6 million last quarter. Thats 2 million a month.
A million a month here on out can get PS4 install base really close to 120 million.
Therell be lots of lower income groups getting PS4 next holiday especially with the mammoth content.
A million a month here on out can get PS4 install base really close to 120 million.
Therell be lots of lower income groups getting PS4 next holiday especially with the mammoth content.
Neo Blaster
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A price cut could really help, it's about time.
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MilkyJoe
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People are idiots, Leslie.
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ZywyPL
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Same as octa-core CPU (Jaguar) is an octa-core CPU (Zen)? Or 1TB (HDD) is 1TB (SSD)? If the things were really THAT simple, we would never see any architectural changes/upgrades since the transistors were invented...
Moses85
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chigstoke
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Imagine if they both do that, we might get next gen within the 300 years or so.
spartan30gr
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David Ricardo
Member
I think it was clear from the beginning that you were just messing with us with that number and we all assumed by the tone of your message that it wasn't an indication of anything. But you have to be careful not to share any numbers because you are officially an insider now, and news outlets are thirsty for anything that will get some clicks from them.As it seems that every time I speak the bread goes up, I need to say this because otherwise they will cut my balls. We will clarify my old comment on "13.8" for those who need clarification.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
Como parece que cada vez que hablo sube el pan, necesito decir esto porque sino me van a cortar las cojones. Vamos a aclarar mi antiguo comentario sobre los "13.8" para quién necesite aclaración.
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
Yo creo que por el tono de tu mensaje estaba claro desde el principio que estabas simplemente bromeando con ese número y que no es indicativo de nada. Pero tienes que tener cuidado de no compartir ningún número porque ahora eres oficialmente un insider, y las webs del sector están buscando cualquier cosa que puedan publicar para ganar visitas.
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PaintTinJr
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Thinking about the double Xbox One X performance comment from Phil. My not entirely realistic expectations of the Xbox Series X is that Microsoft don't mean to use Series to denote the end of Xbox console generations, and instead mean to convey the addition part of a mathematical series, in the way a multiway SLI is a series of GPU additions.
Staying with the unrealistic thoughts. What if Microsoft have only built a Lockhart box, and the console is a smaller, lower powered refresh of the Xbox One X, but with an unknown port that will be used for SLI-ing two or more Lockharts together. Essentially letting xbox gamers decide their own price of their Series(SLI) console, when Microsoft decides the cost of the Lockhart unit.
Microsoft would benefit massively in terms of reliability, profitability and allow them to probably sell 20m units in the time they previously sold 10m, which would save them more money. It would also let them go bigger on the SSD size and keep prices down because they didn't need to increase the other specs above the current Xbox One X, and the lack of exclusives is because the Xbox One X is already 90% the same as a Series X, just needing an ssd upgrade kit. And if current 3rd party devkits are still using PC equivalent hardware or One X devkits – justified by the lack of Series X exclusives for 2 years - leaks of this situation wouldn't be happening because of the small circle of trust
Staying with the unrealistic thoughts. What if Microsoft have only built a Lockhart box, and the console is a smaller, lower powered refresh of the Xbox One X, but with an unknown port that will be used for SLI-ing two or more Lockharts together. Essentially letting xbox gamers decide their own price of their Series(SLI) console, when Microsoft decides the cost of the Lockhart unit.
Microsoft would benefit massively in terms of reliability, profitability and allow them to probably sell 20m units in the time they previously sold 10m, which would save them more money. It would also let them go bigger on the SSD size and keep prices down because they didn't need to increase the other specs above the current Xbox One X, and the lack of exclusives is because the Xbox One X is already 90% the same as a Series X, just needing an ssd upgrade kit. And if current 3rd party devkits are still using PC equivalent hardware or One X devkits – justified by the lack of Series X exclusives for 2 years - leaks of this situation wouldn't be happening because of the small circle of trust
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we will get both consoles for free?!
Taking Free to Play to another level.
I specifically said no pileons, and that means gaslighting one as well.
Save your ammo until after reveals, not before.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Unless it suddenly stops I can't see how it won't surpass PS2.
Especially considering how strong a hold it has on the market still.
DeepEnigma
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spartan30gr
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I love it
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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If that is true, then it would be out of line with every insider claim of the systems being within 10% of each other, because the difference between 12 and 13.8 is 15%, not 10%.
Which would mean the insiders are also wrong about XSX's specs because many of them have been continuously pegging it at 12. So either this random article is wrong, or the insiders are wrong, but in reality both are probably somewhat wrong on all of this. Also does anyone have any of the sources the article in question referenced (if it referenced sources)?
nowhat
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Rounded corners and drop shadows - no way it'll look like that in 2020.
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