Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ANIMAL1975 said:
Well to be fair, i think neither of us know the real costs involved in any of it, or even what is Sonys policy on the matter _ don't forget the unprecedented Pro mid-gen refresh, and the costs it must have involved (it was even rumored there was 2 skus, one with a better cpu that would bring the Pro price to the 500s), and for what? To have a 4k compatible system to support those tvs, and maybe to improve Psvr experience? _ knowing the fact that this new, more pricey/for the hardcore sku, would sell a lot less than the 'normal' ps4! _ that's a company ready to take risks and with a 'open to invest' policy, if you ask me.

And that's why im still confident that Githubs Oberon doesn't represent the all picture. First of all because we know that ps4 pro bc is accomplished with only half of the GPU active, to mimic the original ps4. So these regression tests could be only for Ps5 bc, and the same way RT is not present, only 36CUs are enabled to mimic the Pro. Yeah, people can say that's really stretching, but isn't it all right now? We don't have dozens of tests do we? How much were there in the github leak _ and mainly testing ps4 and pro clocks! (only one pushing 2GHz like a stress test to the chip). Until we know the real specs everything is conjecture and stretching lol, so i still find credible that Sony has planed and is in final stages of delivering, a proper system that will be able to provide native 4k (on NEXT-GEN games), hardware based Ray Tracing, and a next generation leap in PSVR2... That's a lot of stuff for a 9/10tf don't you think? (and I'm not even mentioning the 8k support crazy talk lol)




I understand some of those things hmmm,
... I know that number!
...that's 8k hmm hmm!
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Sorry i was in a hurry :D
 
BGs said:
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It is not a recent version. It is the first version. I don't know "anything" firsthand about the latest versions.
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OK BGs, but can you tell us how many RDNA TFlops did those 1st development kits have and when were they released by Sony/Microsoft?
 
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James Sawyer Ford said:
At this point I don't know if Sony's lack of communication suggests low confidence or ultra confidence
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I posted this in the other thread, but something just feels off. if i had the most powerful console, or A powerful console i would be screaming about it at the top of my lungs. Which is basically what Phil has been doing for close to two years now. The fact that they refuse to give up the tflops number or even hint at it like MS has doesnt instill confidence. Also letting Phil set the narrative of having the most powerful console for two years? if there was no truth to it, why wouldnt they come out and set the record straight?

SlimySnake said:
This reminds me of last gen when Sony announced the console in Feb and caught MS off guard. IIRC, MS spent the next three months preparing for a reveal and had like one game to show. A CG from Quantum Break.

This time around, the table seem to have turned. MS has revealed a console. showed off a next gen only game and a cross gen game. Meanwhile Sony is MIA cancelling E3 conferences left and right, havent held a psx in three years, they are revealing logos instead of specs or games, and just seem unsure of their whole strategy. I wouldnt be surprised if there is some truth to the 9 tflops rumors because if their console was indeed so much better they wouldve revealed the specs by now in a wired article. Also, another reason why they arent revealing the specs in a wired article is probably because they want the games to lessen the blow of a 9 tflops console. their CFO said today that they are waiting for MS to reveal the specs and price so they can price accordingly. its way too late to do any of that. unless they have made a weak 9 tflops console for $499 and are wondering just how ms got their console to run at 12 tflops. i wouldnt be surprised if cerny got too cute like he did with the pro and put all of his eggs in the ssd basket like he did with the pro thinking checkerboarding hardware would be enough to mitigate the tflops difference.

I dont know. this doesnt feel like a company that was so confident last gen. they were absolutely cut throat with their messaging and had no issues revealing their specs and tflops count. no exec watched that sony conference and came out thinking we shouldnt ever embarrass our competitor like that again next gen. it took them 6 months to clarify if the ps5 indeed had hardware RT. They sat on their asses while github leaks made it up to IGN and other major gaming outlets. they sat their while MS revealed their console and bragged about setting the bar right in front of their lead designer and head of worldwide studios. they laughably showed off a last gen looking game in godfall. it doesnt feel like the same company.

of course, they could release a wired article showing a 13 tflops console with hbm tomorrow and make me look like a fool, but as of today this isnt looking good for sony.
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Brad Sams tweeted about rating some XSEX pic 12 out of 9 tflops. these insiders seem super confident and while it could be because they had access to github leaks before the rest of us, it's also possible that MS caught Sony off guard and Sony has no clue how to respond.
 
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SlimySnake said:
I posted this in the other thread, but something just feels off. if i had the most powerful console, or A powerful console i would be screaming about it at the top of my lungs. Which is basically what Phil has been doing for close to two years now. The fact that they refuse to give up the tflops number or even hint at it like MS has doesnt instill confidence. Also letting Phil set the narrative of having the most powerful console for two years? if there was no truth to it, why wouldnt they come out and set the record straight?



Brad Sams tweeted about rating some XSEX pic 12 out of 9 tflops. these insiders seem super confident and while it could be because they had access to github leaks before the rest of us, it's also possible that MS caught Sony off guard and Sony has no clue how to respond.
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But ms is always careful about power comments since e3 2019. They consistently say "our most powerful console ".

let me flip the sides . If ms had 3 tf advantage (9 vs 12) would they be saying "our most powerful console " or " the most powerful console ever " like he did with x1x a year and half before it launches ?
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
But ms is always careful about power comments since e3 2019. They consistently say "our most powerful console ".

let me flip the sides . If ms had 3 tf advantage (9 vs 12) would they be saying "our most powerful console " or " the most powerful console ever " like he did with x1x a year and half before it launches ?
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right, he has been somewhat careful about declaring it the most powerful console ever. but then again, he continues to say we will set the bar. he literally said that while standing in front of Cerny. i wouldnt be surprised if he knew about the github leak before anyone, but he should have some sources in third party studios who wouldve told him otherwise. the fact that he continues this rhetoric doesnt bode well for sony having a more powerful console.
 
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right, he has been somewhat careful about declaring it the most powerful console ever. but then again, he continues to say we will set the bar. he literally said that while standing in front of Cerny. i wouldnt be surprised if he knew about the github leak before anyone, but he should have some sources in third party studios who wouldve told him otherwise. the fact that he continues this rhetoric doesnt bode well for sony having a more powerful console.
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True but to me it seems they should be so close gpu wise that either one of them refuses to declare most powerful console as clock change could change the outcome .
 
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Zero909 said:
looks like MS want to fight on all fronts
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lol talk about getting cocky. How about you beat Sony and Nintendo first before going after other competitors.

It's like Hitler invading the soviet union before finishing off the allies. yes, lets fight on two fronts Phil. see how that works out.

the worst part about this is that he still doesnt understand why sony and nintendo are so successful. its about quality games and goty first party exclusives. Apple and Google have no such games, and MS has released like 1 goty caliber game this gen. if he is under the impression that he can simply release a powerful console with gamepass and some mediocre exclusives and call it a day, he is as clueless as Don matrick.
 
SlimySnake said:
lol talk about getting cocky. How about you beat Sony and Nintendo first before going after other competitors.

It's like Hitler invading the soviet union before finishing off the allies. yes, lets fight on two fronts Phil. see how that works out.

the worst part about this is that he still doesnt understand why sony and nintendo are so successful. its about quality games and goty first party exclusives. Apple and Google have no such games, and MS has released like 1 goty caliber game this gen. if he is under the impression that he can simply release a powerful console with gamepass and some mediocre exclusives and call it a day, he is as clueless as Don matrick.
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His point went completely over your head...
 
SlimySnake said:
right, he has been somewhat careful about declaring it the most powerful console ever. but then again, he continues to say we will set the bar. he literally said that while standing in front of Cerny. i wouldnt be surprised if he knew about the github leak before anyone, but he should have some sources in third party studios who wouldve told him otherwise. the fact that he continues this rhetoric doesnt bode well for sony having a more powerful console.
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If MS has the power advantage especially 12 vs 9, you would've heard it from one of the 3 stooges by now.
 
There's no guarantee that cloud gaming would reach billions like Phil predicts even in another 10 years. Possible, but not a guarantee though.

In the meantime, why not compete with Sony and Nintendo Phil? Sounds to me like Phil is trying to chicken out of the main competition.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
But ms is always careful about power comments since e3 2019. They consistently say "our most powerful console ".

let me flip the sides . If ms had 3 tf advantage (9 vs 12) would they be saying "our most powerful console " or " the most powerful console ever " like he did with x1x a year and half before it launches ?
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No company is going to be as bullish when a competitor is launching a product at the same time as their own. PS4 Pro was a known quantity, it was fact that XOX had beaten it at every important measurement, something they already knew at announcement. They may think they know where Sony is headed, but they couldn't be sure and are marketing from that perspective.
 
Dilusha117 said:
There's no guarantee that cloud gaming would reach billions like Phil predicts even in another 10 years. Possible, but not a guarantee though.

In the meantime, why not compete with Sony and Nintendo Phil? Sounds to me like Phil is trying to chicken out of the main competition.
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wont be the first time MS aims for the stars.

They thought they could sell 1 billion xbox ones lol.

On the subject of Xbox One sales and the growth of the market with the herald of next-gen formats, Mehdi continued, "Every generation, as you've probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That's if it's a game console, over the next decade.

"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward."
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www.vg247.com

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft's senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad mul…
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they have always wanted to go beyond gaming. ive never seen a game console manufacturer who detests having to make and sell game consoles to gamers so much. they are always trying to reach a slice of a pie that simply doesnt exist.
 
DaGamez said:
No company is going to be as bullish when a competitor is launching a product at the same time as their own. PS4 Pro was a known quantity, it was fact that XOX had beaten it at every important measurement, something they already knew at announcement. They may think they know where Sony is headed, but they couldn't be sure and are marketing from that perspective.
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At this stage they both know each other target spec . Let's not kid ourselves man . They both have 3rd party dev friends with both target specs at hand . I m not saying they are behind , I k saying 9 vs 12 like people keep saying isn't a thing otherwise ms would go hard pr wise
 
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SlimySnake said:
wont be the first time MS aims for the stars.

They thought they could sell 1 billion xbox ones lol.



www.vg247.com

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft's senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad mul…
www.vg247.com www.vg247.com

they have always wanted to go beyond gaming. ive never seen a game console manufacturer who detests having to make and sell game consoles to gamers so much. they are always trying to reach a slice of a pie that simply doesnt exist.
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How is Your 14 tf team doing ? 😂❤️
 
SlimySnake said:
wont be the first time MS aims for the stars.

They thought they could sell 1 billion xbox ones lol.



www.vg247.com

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft's senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad mul…
www.vg247.com www.vg247.com

they have always wanted to go beyond gaming. ive never seen a game console manufacturer who detests having to make and sell game consoles to gamers so much. they are always trying to reach a slice of a pie that simply doesnt exist.
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You even quote the relevant part and still ignore it? They said that there can be a billion devices if you go beyond consoles. They never said they were going to sell 1 billion Xboxes, you just have abysmal reading comprehension. That's by expanding the market to mobile devices and PC via xCloud and similar streaming services.
 
Are you guys seriously telling me you haven't heard of the whole "you've heard of X on a Y? Well here's..."

Seriously...? It's quite old now.

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What's more likely, a reveal on Fox, which has no reason to have a reveal, or history of having console reveals, or the social media team making a random meme, and Fox, happening to rhyme with Box, and seen in the works of Dr. Suess?

Y'all need to stop reading so much into every single thing. This is the line of thinking that got you disappointed for reveals that never happened and never had a reasonable Cause to think that they would
 
What the hell is wrong with people asking BG for info? Didnt he write that he didnt see the consoles with his own eyes but his friend TOLD him ps5 is more powerful? LOL.
 
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Andodalf said:
What's more likely, a reveal on Fox, which has no reason to have a reveal, or history of having console reveals, or the social media team making a random meme, and Fox, happening to rhyme with Box, and seen in the works of Dr. Suess?

Y'all need to stop reading so much into every single thing. This is the line of thinking that got you disappointed for reveals that never happened and never had a reasonable Cause to think that they would
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SlimySnake said:
I posted this in the other thread, but something just feels off. if i had the most powerful console, or A powerful console i would be screaming about it at the top of my lungs. Which is basically what Phil has been doing for close to two years now. The fact that they refuse to give up the tflops number or even hint at it like MS has doesnt instill confidence. Also letting Phil set the narrative of having the most powerful console for two years? if there was no truth to it, why wouldnt they come out and set the record straight?



Brad Sams tweeted about rating some XSEX pic 12 out of 9 tflops. these insiders seem super confident and while it could be because they had access to github leaks before the rest of us, it's also possible that MS caught Sony off guard and Sony has no clue how to respond.
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From a business perspective (IMHO) that doesn't really make sense for Sony. They don't want to reset the generation quickly regardless of how low or high end their PS5 is for two reasons: 1) The PS4 is still an expensive and highly profitable piece of hardware that is letting them dominate the home console half of gaming, and any announcement will require a PS4 and Pro price cut that could otherwise part fund PS5's launch hardware costs 2) Rebuffing Microsoft only re-raises the profile of Xbox hardware, when Sony want this part of the generation to be all about the games. Saying nothing is more likely to get Xbox only gamers to buy a PS4 for the exclusives (and join the larger player base paying a sub) while awaiting next-gen with the cat and mouse game.

Eventually I expect Microsoft to give up their specs, strategy and price, first, and do it sooner rather than later to damage PS4 sales momentum as quickly as possible, especially with Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima imminent, rather than let Playstation lock them out of the industry marketing/exposure until 2 months before PS5/XsX release if they repeat their strategy of release the Pro
 
Syn Marnotrawny said:
What the hell is wrong with people asking BG for info? Didnt he write that he didnt see the consoles with his own eyes but his friend TOLD him ps5 is more powerful? LOL.
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That's not how I read it. I read it as he had hands on with the first dev kits but not the latest one.
 
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It seems that the price of PS5 may be determined by the price of Xbox Series X : RTN 02/05 2020


IGN Japan editor in chief said.
"There is no doubt that the Xbox Series X is aiming for overwhelmingly higher performance than the PS5"
"PS5 wants to be cheaper than Xbox Series X because of the difference in specifications"
 
darkinstinct said:
You even quote the relevant part and still ignore it? They said that there can be a billion devices if you go beyond consoles. They never said they were going to sell 1 billion Xboxes, you just have abysmal reading comprehension. That's by expanding the market to mobile devices and PC via xCloud and similar streaming services.
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What difference does it make? they have always aimed to hit that laughable 1 billion number. back then they didnt even have the xcloud so what "units" was he talking about? the cloud back then was used as a PR tool to show how the xbox is more powerful, not to get more users in the ecosystem.

regardless, he clearly said units, not users. they wanted to hit 1 billion then, they are trying to do it again, but this time they have at least realized that they cant sell 1 billion units and are trying to get users instead by using the xcloud. its the same stadia levels of wishful thinking. no one gives two shits about stadia. that mass market doesnt exist for games. your mom isnt going to play gears of war 5 just because it can play on her ipad. your wife hates you playing games all day, you think shes going to be excited about xcloud because now she can play halo infinite? thats the demographic you need if you are trying to hit that one billion number. which is hilarious because stadia has shown these people dont give a shit about gaming.

All im saying is that they need to focus on the 100 million who do buy consoles. they lost 50 million of these users this gen. try to get them back again first before going after soccer moms and senior citizens in retirement homes who dont give a shit about games.
 
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