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[vpance]

Looking forward to the Hitler bunker meme vids after the reveal.

 

[chigstoke]

You shouldn't have posted that, you'll get some of the delusional lot in here now -

"GUYS I THINK THATS A RYZEN 3700x IN THE SERIES X, POWER MY FUCKING DREAMS."

 

[Armorian]

8K

 

[sonomamashine]

Phil Spencer twitter profile pic.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Incoming

Can we take a moment and appreciate how thick that woman's legs are? Gotta love Dyson commercials.

What does this mean in a language I can actually understand?

 

[Lort]

The problem with a 6.5TF Lockhart would be that Xbox SX wouldn't be able to match it when playing the same games in 4K

Stop using logic ... now so many suspect xbox SX will be the most powerful everyone wants to hate on lockhart ... even though its totally capable of playing SX games at 1080p by the numbers and likely wont hold anything back.

 

[xool]

holy shit.


Start measuring guys

[edit this may be helpful https://www.electronics-notes.com/a.../resistors/surface-mount-smt-smd-resistor.php ]

 

[MadAnon]

Didn't MS say after Game Awards that they will talk more about SeX during CES with AMD? We might get technical details.

 

[ethomaz]

What does this mean in a language I can actually understand?

Regards to the new Phil profile pic...

I think that is what it says.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

That looks like a big chip!

 

[Shin]

WCCTECH had reported this new slogan as of Dec. 31. I missed that.

Yea, there's a thread about it, but I wanted to add something else that I just noticed.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3 [Scarlett SoC / 8K written on it], over $9000 incoming?

Also (don't know if precaution or PS5 is stronger):

The Fastest. Most Powerful Xbox Ever.

 

[Bligtgate]

It mean look at the new profile pic of phil

 

[Shin]

Can we take a moment and appreciate how thick that woman's legs are? Gotta love Dyson commercials.



What does this mean in a language I can actually understand?

It means that's likely Scarlett's SoC, as per Phil's profile image.
Madness to write 8K on it, truly - https://twitter.com/XboxP3

 

[ethomaz]

Yea, there's a thread about it, but I wanted to add something else that I just noticed.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3 [Scarlett SoC / 8K written on it], over $9000 incoming?

Also (don't know if precaution or PS5 is stronger):

I still believe the PS5 chip has a bit more TFs than Xbox One Series X chip.
They will market with Xbox instead console.

 

[chigstoke]

8K

Just noticed that.

Same as when they had 4K on the One X SOC. Some people are going to be sorely disappointed when they're not playing any 8K games at all.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I still believe the PS5 chip has a bit more TFs than Xbox One Series X chip.
They will market with Xbox instead console.

Why wouldn't you?

 

[sonomamashine]

new sony phone CES

 

[ethomaz]

Just noticed that.

Same as when they had 4K on the One X SOC. Some people are going to be sorely disappointed when they're not playing any 8K games at all.

You know Xbox One Series X will output all games in 8k to your TV.

 

[M1chl]

So someone in here up to, to calculate the die size based on those capacitors?

 

[Classicrockfan]

Will there be a project scarlet system like when xbox releases project scorpio xbox that had it etched on the console and controller?

 

[ethomaz]

Why wouldn't you?

Because there is enough evidences for that while the evidences for Scarlett being stronger is way more obscure and based in claim to create market buzz.

Actually we didn't even know how much power Scarlett will have but the hype machine already says 12TFs based in an ambiguous Phil claim.

 

[xool]

So I estimate around 13.6 by 9.3 11 transistor lengths (not TF lol)

If they're 3mmx1.5mm resitors thats 13.6x9.3x3 = 380mm2 (the next common size down is 2mmx1mm 2mmx1.3mm which would make only 252mm (same size as 5700)

That's ~150 smt's in area - common smt's can be 3x1.5mm, 2x1.3mm, or 15x.8mm (4.5, 2.6, or 1.2mm2)

So that gives 675, 390, or 180mm2

Keeping a level head, two of the three are too big/too small - I see two one possibilities :

1. Chip is ~390mm2 - it's a beast
2. Chip is bullshot based on a Navi 10 mockup or dev kit chip and is only 251mm2

Stay cool

[edit smt side ratio is ~2:1 not 1.5:1 -this means it should be #1]
[edit2 - made a ton of maths errrors - luckily estimate didn't change much - now at 390mm2 not 380mm2]

 

[ethomaz]

So I estimate around 13.6 by 9.3 transistor lengths (not TF lol)

If they're 3mmx1.5mm resitors thats 13.6x9.3x3 = 380mm2 (the next common size down is 2mmx1mm which would make only 252mm (same size as 5700)

Keeping a level head I see two possibilities :

1. Chip is 380mm2 - it's a beast
2. Chip is bullshot based on a Navi 10 mockup or dev kit chip and is only 251mm2

Stay cool

380mm2 is the size that most fit the leaks plus the mensure from the E3 video.

 

[Heylon]

I still believe the PS5 chip has a bit more TFs than Xbox One Series X chip.
They will market with Xbox instead console.

No, the PS5 will be weaker.

 

[chigstoke]

So I estimate around 13.6 by 9.3 transistor lengths (not TF lol)

If they're 3mmx1.5mm resitors thats 13.6x9.3x3 = 380mm2 (the next common size down is 2mmx1mm which would make only 252mm (same size as 5700)

Keeping a level head I see two possibilities :

1. Chip is 380mm2 - it's a beast
2. Chip is bullshot based on a Navi 10 mockup or dev kit chip and is only 251mm2

Stay cool

Some people guesstimated 380mm2 didn't they for when the 56cu stuff was being mentioned?

But yeah if it is 380 then that's a big chip for a console.

 

[splattered]

Just means the chip is 8k capable, both Sony and MS have said their next gen systems are capable of 8k to some capacity.

 

[ethomaz]

Some people guesstimated 380mm2 didn't they for when the 56cu stuff was being mentioned?

But yeah if it is 380 then that's a big chip for a console.

380mm2 was guessed comparing the memory chip size with the APU size in E3 video.

 

[Armorian]

Just noticed that.

Same as when they had 4K on the One X SOC. Some people are going to be sorely disappointed when they're not playing any 8K games at all.

To be fair, X1X has some demanding 4K games and that's impressive. But 8k is out of the picture for any technically impressive game next gen.

I'm beggining to suspect that devs have problem with Lockhart because they don't want to target native 4k in their games, with 4K native resolution scaling back to 1080p should be easy (and Lockhart has some spare because it's not 4x less powerful but 3x) but if they want to target something like 1440p+ and use all available power to max out fidelity Lockhart won't be able to run that in 1080p.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I still believe the PS5 chip has a bit more TFs than Xbox One Series X chip.
They will market with Xbox instead console.

Its possible

 

[xool]

What does this mean in a language I can actually understand?

regarder le nouveau photo profil de Phil Spencer

=

look at Phil Spencer's new profile picture

(it's his new twitter profile)

School finally starting to pay off

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Yep 375+ seems about right. Probably 60/64 CU's total with 4/8 disabled

 

[Lort]

Didn't MS say after Game Awards that they will talk more about SeX during CES with AMD? We might get technical details.

Lets talk about SeX baby....

 

[xool]

It means that's likely Scarlett's SoC, as per Phil's profile image.
Madness to write 8K on it, truly - https://twitter.com/XboxP3

Is that a sunset reflecting off it?

The sun setting on Sony's empire

 

[Lort]

Just noticed that.

Same as when they had 4K on the One X SOC. Some people are going to be sorely disappointed when they're not playing any 8K games at all.

Even more people were shocked ( DF and forums) when it DID and does play almost all new games at 4k.

 

[SportsFan581]

The VRS might help these systems stretch, a bit of a cheat, but so is cb. LOL

 

[quest]

We can say for sure MS certainly did not cheap out this time on the apu silicon budget. That thing is big I thought MS was messing with people with the E3 video and it come in closer to 340. Good for gamers of both sides.

 

[ethomaz]

Even more people were shocked ( DF and forums) when it DID and does play almost all new games at 4k.

Do you have a list? Because there is more sub-4k games on X than native 4k... most games didn't run at native 4k.

 

[Fake]

Do you have a list? Because there is more sub-4k games on X than native 4k... most games didn't run at native 4k.

You're asking for the wrong guy. Just ignore this and don't bring list war to the thread.

 

[Shin]

Some people guesstimated 380mm2 didn't they for when the 56cu stuff was being mentioned?

But yeah if it is 380 then that's a big chip for a console.

OT: Microsoft's Xbox Series X - Tower of Power

 

[Nikana]

You know Xbox One Series X will output all games in 8k to your TV.

 

[Lone Wolf]

You know Xbox One Series X will output all games in 8k to your TV.

 

[Nikana]

Even more people were shocked ( DF and forums) when it DID and does play almost all new games at 4k.

I remember when I was blasted for saying it'll have 4K games and people called me a lot of names for believing it. Those were the days.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Because there is enough evidences for that while the evidences for Scarlett being stronger is way more obscure and based in claim to create market buzz.

Actually we didn't even know how much power Scarlett will have but the hype machine already says 12TFs based in an ambiguous Phil claim.

There has been way more ppl in the industry saying ps5 is stronger and I'm not just talking about insiders like Osiris. Thts why I said why would uod you not still believe lol it was rhetorical.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Just noticed that.

Same as when they had 4K on the One X SOC. Some people are going to be sorely disappointed when they're not playing any 8K games at all.

Jesus christ, nobody cares about 8K being on the chip! LOL.

 

[ManaByte]

So I estimate around 13.6 by 9.3 transistor lengths (not TF lol)

If they're 3mmx1.5mm resitors thats 13.6x9.3x3 = 380mm2 (the next common size down is 2mmx1mm 2mmx1.3mm which would make only 252mm (same size as 5700)

Keeping a level head I see two possibilities :

1. Chip is 380mm2 - it's a beast
2. Chip is bullshot based on a Navi 10 mockup or dev kit chip and is only 251mm2

Stay cool

[edit smt side ratio is ~2:1 not 1.5:1 -this means it should be #1]

 

[chigstoke]

Even more people were shocked ( DF and forums) when it DID and does play almost all new games at 4k.

I'll give them credit where credit is due, how they squeezed that much performance from a Jaguar based SOC impressed me hugely.
Obviously a lot to do with the Polaris graphics included but regardless, getting an 8 core Jagaur mobile chip to do what it was doing was damn impressive.

I just think 8K is a bridge too far right now, plus the price point of 8K TV's being a limiting factor.

I think the focus will rightly be on getting 4K and RT working together at acceptable performance levels.

 

[DJ12]

Didn't MS say after Game Awards that they will talk more about SeX during CES with AMD? We might get technical details.

Are you refering to the image of Phil with Su? That was a fake.

Not heard anything official, but I would guess if they are showing up it will be in AMDs presser, as AMD did not design PS5 RT so pointless them showing it off.

I imagine only an xbox game will currently use AMD's RT solution to demonstrate what it's capable of.

 

[Vol5]

Is that a sunset reflecting off it?

The sun setting on Sony's empire

It's interesting that image has been released. It's probably an indicator that MS know they have the silicon advantage over Sony...and good on MS for pushing the envelope.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Its possible

Nope.

 

[Armorian]

I think the focus will rightly be on getting 4K and RT working together at acceptable performance levels.

2080ti is not able to do this with current gen games with RT. RT usage will be very limited in 4K games next gen or games will have to run in lower res to use more impressive Ray Tracing implementations.