Support NeoGAF

[R600]

PS4Pro releasing a year later makes little difference. It was made on same 16nm FF process with same tech (some things in PS4Pro are actually pulled from 2017 Vega).

In any case, it was more about continuation of PS4, BC and 399$ then anything else. If MS released year later with newer tech and better process, thus higher clocks and smaller chip for same price then it would be valid argument. Since that wasnt the case, I would day all PS4Pro deficits vs XBX steem from BC/399$

 

[Nickolaidas]

PS3 was released 12 months after 360 and had a weaker GPU, poorer RAM set up, harder to develop for, and a ton more expensive. Then compare the One X to the Pro. Like the PS3, the One X was released 12 months later than the Pro, yet had more and faster RAM, more powerful GPU, faster CPU and a UHD blu-ray player.
We can compare actually.

Woah, you're right! I forgot the PS3 came so much later than the X360 - this undoubtedly played a part in slow first sales since many people already HAD invested on a next-gen console and weren't willing to do so again.

 

[Rossco EZ]

wait so is the 9TF PS5 rumour made up by some users on here? or have i misunderstood..

 

[SgtCaffran]

We will see big Navi this year: https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-confirms-nvidia-killer-graphics-card-will-be-out-in-2020

The timing seems very convenient for the PS5 and XsX to use this chip.

 

[pawel86ck]

to be frank, I find it a little nonsensical to say that the Xbox series X has 12 Tflops of compute performance simply by extrapolating that as a fact from what Phil Spencer said about it having double the compute performance of the oX. There's a plethora of factors to take into account about the Rdna vs Gcn including but not limited to the 1,25x performance per flop advantage that rdna has over gcn , the redesigned memory and cache subsystems among others, 9.75 Tflops of rdna compute gives you about 12 Gcn tflops. We can't just conclude that the Xbox Series X has 12 Rdna Tflops from Spencer's rather vague statement, it just doesn't sound logical to me to look at it from that angle. So, I'll remain cautiously optimistic until both get unveiled, so I can get a clear picture of their performance, not just raise my expectations unrealistically high, only to be disappointed later. Temper your expectations people.

It's not about expectation, GCN vs Navi talk simply makes no sense.

You dont know how efficient XSX GPU architecture will be, so how Phil Spencer could ask peeople to do the math when it comes to architecture gains, when XSX or RDNA2 GPU's arnt even out yet LOL ? People should do the math based on their guesses?

Even if you want to assume first gen Navi gains (28-32% according to digital foundry article) then numbers Phil provided will not add up, therefore he obviously wasnt talking about architecture gains as you trying to assume. In order to match 2x xbox x game performance you need 10TF Navi (in fact 10TF navi not always will double 6TF polaris results), BUT you need much less than 10TF Navi in order to match 8x xbox one results (because Navi is up to 50% more efficient compared to tahiti GCN xbox one architecture), so 10TF Navi would be overkill.

Phil statement wasnt vague when you really pay attention to details. He has said GPU power, not performance. FLOPS is GPU power metric. On top of that Gamespot article mention 12TF, very detailed Windows Central leak mention 12TF, and even github leak points to 12TF. There is simply nothing that suggest XSX will be 9.7TF Navi.

 

[CJY]

We will see big Navi this year: https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-confirms-nvidia-killer-graphics-card-will-be-out-in-2020

The timing seems very convenient for the PS5 and XsX to use this chip.

I'd go as far as to say AMD are waiting for these consoles as opposed to it being any sort of coincidence. Makes not much sense to release these chips when they won't be taken advantage of. AMD's two-prong tactic of having their greatest GPU tech in the next-gen consoles and available as AIB cards at the same time is genius seeing as how the most major games target console first. Next gen, all these games will more better/efficiently on AMD GPUs on the PC. Basically, Nvidia are fucked IMO.

 

[CJY]

It's not about expectation, GCN vs Navi talk simply makes no sense.

You're right. that makes no sense. You'd be comparing an ISA to an architecture. GCN vs RDNA makes sense though.

 

[Moses85]

To late and to expensive imo....

Above all for Sony if they targeting a selling price of 399... morons. Can't bloody believe this decision if it's true.

 

[CyberPanda]

I'd go as far as to say AMD are waiting for these consoles as opposed to it being any sort of coincidence. Makes not much sense to release these chips when they won't be taken advantage of. AMD's two-prong tactic of having their greatest GPU tech in the next-gen consoles and available as AIB cards at the same time is genius seeing as how the most major games target console first. Next gen, all these games will more better/efficiently on AMD GPUs on the PC. Basically, Nvidia are fucked IMO.

Ya, Nvidia is gonna close shop.

 

[CuriousToe]

PS3 was released 12 months after 360 and had a weaker GPU, poorer RAM set up, harder to develop for, and a ton more expensive. Then compare the One X to the Pro. Like the PS3, the One X was released 12 months later than the Pro, yet had more and faster RAM, more powerful GPU, faster CPU and a UHD blu-ray player.
We can compare actually.

That seems like an incredibly one sided comparison and ignores the fact that PS3 was also a misstep, focusing on Cell and Blu Ray. I dont expect Sony would make that mistake any more than I think MS would make the XB1 mistake again.

Regardless, I stand by original post that the only time MS and Sony have been launched aligned, Sony was ahead by a considerable margin. It's not going to happen again, but any of the other gens are even messier when you consider launch dates, cost and features.

 

[sinnergy]

We will see big Navi this year: https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-confirms-nvidia-killer-graphics-card-will-be-out-in-2020

The timing seems very convenient for the PS5 and XsX to use this chip.

Maybe both, maybe only one, who knows.

 

[PocoJoe]

That seems like an incredibly one sided comparison and ignores the fact that PS3 was also a misstep, focusing on Cell and Blu Ray. I dont expect Sony would make that mistake any more than I think MS would make the XB1 mistake again.

Regardless, I stand by original post that the only time MS and Sony have been launched aligned, Sony was ahead by a considerable margin. It's not going to happen again, but any of the other gens are even messier when you consider launch dates, cost and features.

Sony had to focus on bluray to win HD wars just like ps2 with DVD. They learnt from Betamax.

Ps3 were the best bluray player for years.

Maybe it cost em billions, but could cost even more without making the move

 

[Zefros]

Hmm isn't GDC 2020 in march held in san Francisco? Weren't sony bosses there just recently? Mayb3 they will use GDC to unveil ps5?

 

[01011001]

Sony had to focus on bluray to win HD wars just like ps2 with DVD. They learnt from Betamax.

Ps3 were the best bluray player for years.

Maybe it cost em billions, but could cost even more without making the move

how did they win the HD wars exactly?
they barely took over the 360 after 8 years. not only that, the 360 wasn't even really competing in asia at all, so the PS3 had a whole region without any real competition.

if the PS3 launched with no bluray and a conventional high end CPU at 399 or lower, I bet it would have had the potential to destroy the 360, but in the end it barely managed to keep up with it after 2 generations of Sony completely dominating the market

 

[it_wasn't_me]

PS3 was released 12 months after 360 and had a weaker GPU, poorer RAM set up, harder to develop for, and a ton more expensive. Then compare the One X to the Pro. Like the PS3, the One X was released 12 months later than the Pro, yet had more and faster RAM, more powerful GPU, faster CPU and a UHD blu-ray player.
We can compare actually.

Woah, you're right! I forgot the PS3 came so much later than the X360 - this undoubtedly played a part in slow first sales since many people already HAD invested on a next-gen console and weren't willing to do so again.

PS3 originally should have launch simultaneously with X360 in 2005 and PS3 OVERALL was more powerful ( but of course, a bit complicated for game development ). That's a fricking fact. But PS3 was DELAYED because problem with blue-laser diode and nothing else. Nothing else was changed. Specs were locked for 2005 launch.

XboneX WASN'T delayed unlike PS3. It was released normally a year later after PS4 Pro. That's a fact.

 

[Dolodolo]

I don't really understand a couple of things
Based on the description and hints of OsirisBlack earlier, everything adds up to a sequel Order 1886
But, there is such blockbuster as Shinobi602, which in my opinion, already long nothing not knows, but this not very important
He always kills such rumors to zero, talking about death ip.
I'd rather believe the man who sat here and gave us something
When administrators Reseters don't give people anything at all

 

[Ar¢tos]

how did they win the HD wars exactly?
they barely took over the 360 after 8 years. not only that, the 360 wasn't even really competing in asia at all, so the PS3 had a whole region without any real competition.

if the PS3 launched with no bluray and a conventional high end CPU at 399 or lower, I bet it would have had the potential to destroy the 360, but in the end it barely managed to keep up with it after 2 generations of Sony completely dominating the market

I think he means the HD-DVD vs Bluray war.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

how did they win the HD wars exactly?
they barely took over the 360 after 8 years. not only that, the 360 wasn't even really competing in asia at all, so the PS3 had a whole region without any real competition.

if the PS3 launched with no bluray and a conventional high end CPU at 399 or lower, I bet it would have had the potential to destroy the 360, but in the end it barely managed to keep up with it after 2 generations of Sony completely dominating the market

Because WB chose Blu-ray and during that day Toshiba canceled their conference at CES 2008. The format war was over. PS3 didn't won format war after 8 years.

 

[Lort]

So, One X arriving a year later at a 25% higher RRP than Pro had absolutely nothing to do with it? The way people ignore these two extremely relevant facts kinda cracks me up.

I guess the problem is its a reminder that Sony have been a step ahead all generation, and there's precisely zero evidence to indicate that they've slowed down. Especially as the bottom line is that I'm yet to hear of a single developer report complaining that PS5 is underpowered or that next gen Xbox is better. On the contrary the word is universally positive and that PS5 dev is far more mature and robust at this point in time.

Lets be clear your saying BECAUSE the premium console costs more it makes it faster?

The xbox is faster per clock because it has more customizations in the gpu than the ps4 pro. The lame fp16 optimisation (which xbox one x does not have)...makes little to no difference. Playstation fans clinging to that dot point really show their weak understanding of technology and reality. The benchmarks don't lie.

 

[TBiddy]

PS3 originally should have launch simultaneously with X360 in 2005 and PS3 OVERALL was more powerful ( but of course, a bit complicated for game development ). That's a fricking fact. But PS3 was DELAYED because problem with blue-laser diode and nothing else. Nothing else was changed. Specs were locked for 2005 launch.

XboneX WASN'T delayed unlike PS3. It was released normally a year later after PS4 Pro. That's a fact.

Ahem.

"Another source confirmed that, during the delay, Sony was "still trying to figure out the hardware" it was creating, and mimicked the notion that "for a while, it didn't even have a GPU," hence the delay. "

"A fourth source noted, "I think that the hardware guys focused too much on getting the [Sony's proprietary processor] CELL working that the GPU project [for PlayStation 3] ultimately fell behind."

PlayStation 3 Was Delayed, Originally Planned For 2005 - IGN

In a conversation with multiple sources associated with Naughty Dog, IGN can today confirm that the PlayStation 3 was supposed to launch in 2005 and was delayed by a year.

www.ign.com

I know there was production issues with the diode, which caused the production to slow down, but according to above it seems like the PS3 was delayed, since it wasn't ready. There was a thread about it here on Gaf, back in 2013:

PS3 Originally Planned to Release in 2005, Lacked GPU

Send me back to 2005 if old. New info to me. In interviews conducted for IGNs History of Naughty Dog, multiple sources independently confirmed that PlayStation 3 was originally scheduled to come out in 2005. For a while, [PS3 had] no GPU, it was going to run everything with XPUs. The ICE...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Lampiao]

Their agenda has been really obvious to me for a while

The good side of all this is that if Sony reveals a console as good or better, and disprove everything that was put, everyone will have a WOW effect, and 2013 will be revived and updated, and all these guys' efforts will turn against them even helping to blacklist some names and the forum itself.
It will be interesting to see the process.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Ahem.

"Another source confirmed that, during the delay, Sony was "still trying to figure out the hardware" it was creating, and mimicked the notion that "for a while, it didn't even have a GPU," hence the delay. "

"A fourth source noted, "I think that the hardware guys focused too much on getting the [Sony's proprietary processor] CELL working that the GPU project [for PlayStation 3] ultimately fell behind."

PlayStation 3 Was Delayed, Originally Planned For 2005 - IGN

In a conversation with multiple sources associated with Naughty Dog, IGN can today confirm that the PlayStation 3 was supposed to launch in 2005 and was delayed by a year.

www.ign.com

I know there was production issues with the diode, which caused the production to slow down, but according to above it seems like the PS3 was delayed, since it wasn't ready.

Sony tried to have two Cell's because Cell alone was capable to draw graphics. But in the end Sony decided to approach Nvidia for the last minute solution and that's why RSX was created and GPU was ready for launch in 2005. Specs were set in stone. That's a fact.

Btw. like i said, diode was the problem

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2019/11/18/ps3-launch-date-delayed-component/

This news comes courtesy of IGN following an interview with former PlayStation executive Phil Harrison, who now serves as Google's VP. The publication discussed the PS3's launch schedule and when the topic of the year-long delay was brought up, Harrison had this to say:

The thing that actually slowed down production on the hardware was down to a tiny component. It was the laser diode on the Blu-ray drive. It was like a $0.05 component.
In this particular case, the shift from red laser to blue laser was actually quite a sophisticated change in the way that the optical head on a drive worked, and it was a little bit of physics and a little bit of chemistry mixed together, because it's really a crystal that you're making. And they just couldn't make enough.

 

[Rightisright]

PS3 originally should have launch simultaneously with X360 in 2005 and PS3 OVERALL was more powerful ( but of course, a bit complicated for game development ). That's a fricking fact. But PS3 was DELAYED because problem with blue-laser diode and nothing else. Nothing else was changed.

XboneX WASN'T delayed unlike PS3. It was released normally a year later after PS4 Pro. That's a fact.

Not gonna get into a PS3 vs 360 debate here. There are likely 1000 threads all over the net about it. Heres a reality. If Sony could go back and never get involved with Cell, they would. It cost them a fortune, was never capable of delivering the specs on paper, and the Cell was never suited to video game creation.
And the X releasing 12 months later means nothing. There wasnt any new tech introduced that either wasnt used in the OG One, or the PS4. It kept the same CPU, just added some more cus and clock for the GPU, and changed from Esram and old ram to gddr5. It has the same 16nm die as PS4 Pro. It was released later to try and keep the costs a bit lower, and they had to make a bit more revision to their kit than Sony had to. But it certainly didnt rely on any new tech.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

That's not the whole story of this gen though. MS blew alot of their budget on including Kinect. Had they not have, they could have added more Cu's and had just as much, or mo

Not gonna get into a PS3 vs 360 debate here. There are likely 1000 threads all over the net about it. Heres a reality. If Sony could go back and never get involved with Cell, they would. It cost them a fortune, was never capable of delivering the specs on paper, and the Cell was never suited to video game creation.

And the X releasing 12 months later means nothing. There wasnt any new tech introduced. It kept the same CPU, just added some more cus and clock for the GPU, and changed from Esram and old ram to gddr5. It has the same 16nm die as PS4 Pro. It was released later to try and keep the costs a bit lower, and they had to make a bit more revision to their kit than Sony had to. But it certainly didnt rely on any new tech.

I've said what i have to say about X360 vs. PS3. All was a fact.

In case of Xbonex - it means. XboneX have a year more for R&D and higher goal price. Year for R&D really can have influence in hardware development

 

[TBiddy]

Sony tried to have two Cell's because Cell alone was capable to draw graphics. But in the end Sony decided to approach Nvidia for the last minute solution and that's why RSX was created and GPU was ready for launch in 2005. Specs were set in stone. That's a fact.

Btw. like i said, diode was the problem

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2019/11/18/ps3-launch-date-delayed-component/

You can't just write "That's a fact" and assume people take your word for it. We have developers from Naughty Dogs claiming the GPU was added very late and that "during the delay, Sony was still working on the hardware" and that it didn't have a GPU at that point, hence the delay.

I believe them much more than you.

Like I said, the diode was an issue, but it merely slowed down production, as Phil Harrison himself states in the link you posted. It didn't delay the release for an entire year.

 

[Audiophile]

I can't lie, I will be disappointed by a ~9TF PS5 if the XSX is in fact ~12TF.

Not so much a case of jealousy of the other platform (and certainly not wanting XSX to be a lesser machine for the sake of platform warring) but just knowing that ~12TF was a possibility and Sony either decided to go for the budget option or underestimated their CU count / die size.

If there is a ~3TF delta I will still get a PS5 for Exclusives, BC and VR, but I may very well have to get my first Xbox since the OG for the sake of multiplatform titles.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

You can't just write "That's a fact" and assume people take your word for it. We have developers from Naughty Dogs claiming the GPU was added very late and that "during the delay, Sony was still working on the hardware" and that it didn't have a GPU at that point, hence the delay.

I believe them much more than you.

Like I said, the diode was an issue, but it merely slowed down production, as Phil Harrison himself states in the link you posted. It didn't delay the production.

RSX was already set in stone for launch 2005 - like Naughty Dog dev said : "That's why they finally added the GPU, closer to the end." " I said also that Sony approached Nvidia for last minute solution for the GPU.

Diode is also of hardware development, and like Phil Harrison stated.

Production and development isn't the same.

 

[Moses85]

I can't lie, I will be disappointed by a ~9TF PS5 if the XSX is in fact ~12TF.

Not so much a case of jealousy of the other platform (and certainly not wanting XSX to be a lesser machine for the sake of platform warring) but just knowing that ~12TF was a possibility and Sony either decided to go for the budget option or underestimated their CU count / die size.

If there is a ~3TF delta I will still get a PS5 for Exclusives, BC and VR, but I may very well have to get my first Xbox since the OG for the sake of multiplatform titles.

I will wait for PS5 Pro and a lot of Friends of mine too. This is so disappointing if true.

Once again.

Morons, Sony

 

[TLZ]

but I do think 10 TF RDNA is the max for PS5 if they wanna hit 399 price tag.

I don't mind this at all. In fact I've tempered my expectations to that. Anything extra is a bonus for me.

 

[TBiddy]

RSX was already set in stone for launch 2005 - like Naughty Dog dev said : "That's why they finally added the GPU, closer to the end." " I said also that Sony approached Nvidia for last minute solution for the GPU.

Diode is also of hardware development, and like Phil Harrison stated.

Production and development isn't the same.

The PS3 was delayed because the hardware wasn't ready, as the developers said. The PS3 simply wasn't ready to be released in 2005.

The diode issues slowed production. It didn't delay the release an entire year.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

It's a bad feeling that you know you fucked up and you have to lie like you are doing now. I was there when u said it a day and half ago on PlayStation discord and everyone told u wtf. U followed it up by saying I won't ever apologize to him .

Anyways u guys are extremely toxic by the look of your actions. Truth shall send everyone free.

Let's get back to the topic.bye

Oh holy shit in the PlayStation Discord?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I was asking a question lolololol

Someone posted "At least KLee didn't act like a bitch" and I asked "Why who acted like a bitch"

Which was further response to me saying I'm not going to apologise for not believing him.

So this really was people spreading bullshit lmao.

 

[SlimySnake]

I can't lie, I will be disappointed by a ~9TF PS5 if the XSX is in fact ~12TF.

Not so much a case of jealousy of the other platform (and certainly not wanting XSX to be a lesser machine for the sake of platform warring) but just knowing that ~12TF was a possibility and Sony either decided to go for the budget option or underestimated their CU count / die size.

If there is a ~3TF delta I will still get a PS5 for Exclusives, BC and VR, but I may very well have to get my first Xbox since the OG for the sake of multiplatform titles.

No need to get a ps5 for exclusives. They will be on pc.

Sony just saved everyone in this thread a lot of money. That $399 8 tflops console isn't for enthusiasts. Its for your cod and Madden casuals. You and i will build pcs and play Sonys non exclusives on pc eventually if not on day one.

 

[SgtCaffran]

I will wait for PS5 Pro and a lot of Friends of mine too. This is so disappointing if true.

Once again.

Morons, Sony

Cut this shit out. Stop with all the ranting and negativity. It ads absolutely zero to this thread!

Wait until the official specs are revealed in February and then decide. It really feels like a bunch of entitled children in here sometimes.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Asshole actually. Lol

Ei, na minha terra asshole é o olho do CU,,,, não é o CU todo

It seems to be a random Fairchild Dual 4-Bit Static Shift Register from the 80's?

CD4015 Datasheet PDF Download - Fairchild Semiconductor

CD4015 Datasheet : Dual 4-Bit Static Shift Register, CD4015 PDF VIEW Download Fairchild Semiconductor, CD4015 1 page Datasheet PDF, Pinouts, Data Sheet, Equivalent, Schematic, Cross reference, Obsolete, Circuits

www.datasheetq.com

Maybe that's a clue also _ for the missing numbers in the coordinates, or some sort of plant of the building...

Just to note, if they were coordinates, they'd be revealing the console somewhere in the North Pacific Ocean.

F**** me he's confirming liquid cooling solution for the system!

You did wrong but I wrote wrong too.
NY is in the other side of the continent.

The area that can possible give that coors are what I posted... I used Google Maps too.

If you use the coords changing everything to 0 (mininum): N 40°03′29″ W 121°08′05″
If you use the coords changing degree to 9 (max) and minute/second to 5 (max): N 49°53′29″ W 121°58′55″

Both are continent and every number you use will be around San California, Oregon and Nevada.
His coords are probably Los Angeles.

Shit, so no liquid cooling.
What is Los Angeles hinting? Some kind of new geodynamics inspired tech _ something like the tectonic platforms movement to release the heat

Hey Im new to GAF. Can you please name all the supposed insiders in this thread? I just want to know who maybe to trust. Thx

Wouldn't put my hands over the fire for the others, but in my opinion you can absolutely trust TLZ !
He's the one that leaked ps5 is dual GPUs long before the AMD testings with Ariel and Oberon got dumped in Github

No. But here, have this for u if you want to read someone's rambling on

That's some serious #It'stimetoplay shit

Spoiler

it doesn't matter, i will wait for the definitive pc version with better ASSets, when PS6 gets announced

If Sony launch with anything approaching this, I'll buy one PS5 for myself and another one for my dog.

 

[Investor9872]

Ya, Nvidia is gonna close shop.

You're joking I hope. No way that's going to happen, and competition drives to more advance and affordable tech, which benefits the masses.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The PS3 was delayed because the hardware wasn't ready, as the developers said. The PS3 simply wasn't ready to be released in 2005.

The diode issues slowed production. It didn't delay the release an entire year.

Hardware wasn't ready ( like i said, diode is also part of hardware developmet ) , but specs already were set in stone a long ago. This RSX specs sheet were from May 2005 ( a year when PS3 should have launch ) :

Sony Introduces Playstation 3, to launch in 2006

www.anandtech.com

 

[Investor9872]

Because WB chose Blu-ray and during that day Toshiba canceled their conference at CES 2008. The format war was over. PS3 didn't won format war after 8 years.

You have to, at the very least, give credit to Sony's Blu-ray having proliferated like mad at the time that ultimately caused WB to choose the Blu-ray format over the HD-DVD one, with Toshiba throwing in the towel at the CES 2008.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

You have to, at the very least, give credit to Sony's Blu-ray having proliferated like mad at the time that ultimately caused WB to choose the Blu-ray format over the HD one, with Toshiba throwing in the towel at the CES 2008.

Yep, if Sony didn't put BD in PS3, format war would last longer. Maybe 8 years then

 

[TBiddy]

Hardware wasn't ready ( like i said, diode is also part of hardware developmet ) , but specs already were set in stone a long ago. This RSX specs sheet were from May 2005 ( a year when PS3 should have launch ) :

Sony Introduces Playstation 3, to launch in 2006

www.anandtech.com

Yes, the specs were ready. But as you said yourself - the GPU was added very late in the development (presumably much later than the AMD part in the 360) and thus caused the delay of the hardware.

Just because they have the specifications ready does not mean the hardware is ready for production.

It's not unreasonable to claim that the PS3 was released a year later, and still only barely managed to outperform the 360 in certain aspects. You can either spin this as an impressive engineering feat by Microsoft or as a huge failure by Sony. It had nothing to do with the diodes. The diode didn't delay the PS3 for a year. Adding the GPU very late did.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Yes, the specs were ready. But as you said yourself - the GPU was added very late in the development (presumably much later than the AMD part in the 360) and thus caused the delay of the hardware.

Just because they have the specifications ready does not mean the hardware is ready for production.

It's not unreasonable to claim that the PS3 was released a year later, and still only barely managed to outperform the 360 in certain aspects. You can either spin this as an impressive engineering feat by Microsoft or as a huge failure by Sony. It had nothing to do with the diodes. The diode didn't delay the PS3 for a year. Adding the GPU very late did.

Discrete GPU surely was added sometimes during 2004. You can spin all what you want about how Sony changed the hardware during delay. FACT is, they didn't. Specs were set. Like this GPU spec sheet proves it.

 

[Gediminas]

Discrete GPU surely was added sometimes during 2004. You can spin all what you want about how Sony changed the hardware during delay. FACT is, they didn't. Specs were set. Like this GPU spec sheet proves it.

don't bother any more. he just did not get it. there was articles in the press before, like 3 month ago which state the same thing as you are. PS3 was ready to ship in 2005 but got delayed because for that reason.

 

[DJ12]

Why is it that PS fans here rejected to download data themselves and check it out and instead made up stories like the one regarding Proelite sitting on data for months and being "xbot" with agenda against Playstation?

Why do I have to post our PMs here for people to see that what the new guy saying here is bold face lie and guys clinging on it are even bigger fools?

If only the people who he called out hadn't confirmed his story is true lol.

It doesn't matter in the slightest, the narrative won't alter reality.

Also the fact you have PM's kinda confirms the agenda anyway.

At this point your either right and get to lord it over ps5 fans for a while until you get bored of being told it's all about the games or you end up being this gens misterxmedia and his cronies.

 

[OrionNebula]

Cut this shit out. Stop with all the ranting and negativity. It ads absolutely zero to this thread!

Wait until the official specs are revealed in February and then decide. It really feels like a bunch of entitled children in here sometimes.

Sometimes?
I remember someone here saying they would never play Resident Evil 2 Remake because the truck driver didn't say ''guy's a maniac... why'd he bite me??''
And that's only 1 stupid ''if this happens or doesn't happen I'm gonna do this'' example out of thousands I come across monthly here
Entitled children well over 9000

I'm all for rumours and speculations, but you really have to cut through the layers and layers of entitled bullshitness when you check gaf, especially on the verge of new important reveals

Man, I can't wait for actual real details to drop. Then at least we're gonna move into another era of entitlement and dick measuring on gaf. Can't. Wait.

Personally, my money will go to the company who will impress me most, in a ratio of specs and actual games that fits my own tastes. Period.

 

[TBiddy]

You can spin all what you want about how Sony changed the hardware during delay. FACT is, they didn't. Specs were set. Like this GPU spec sheet proves it.

I'm not spinning anything. We have developers saying Sony was still working on the hardware during the delay and that the late addition of a GPU was the primary reason for the delay. I linked it to you earlier. You should read the article. It's actually quite interesting and shows that Sony was able to change course rather quickly, which turned out to be the right decision, as we all know.

The diode issue caused delays in "volume production" and not an entire year worth of absolutely no consoles. Sony were able to manufacture the diodes, just not as quick as they wanted. It's not exactly a secret.

 

[pawel86ck]

PS3 originally should have launch simultaneously with X360 in 2005 and PS3 OVERALL was more powerful ( but of course, a bit complicated for game development ). That's a fricking fact. But PS3 was DELAYED because problem with blue-laser diode and nothing else. Nothing else was changed.

XboneX WASN'T delayed unlike PS3. It was released normally a year later after PS4 Pro. That's a fact.

Can you imagine how motorstorm and resistance would look like if PS3 would launch one year earlier? I doubt PS3 was delayed just because of BD laser.

Yes, PS3 was faster on paper, but not practically. In order to match and finally surpass xbox 360 GPU performance developers had to use CELL resources and it wasnt easy job even for someone like Gabe Newell. Multiplatform games looked and run better on cheaper xbox 360 and thats the most important fact people will remember.

GTX 7800 performance was fine in 2005, but in 2006 PS3 should use already something like Geforce 8800 (GPU with unified shaders) instead of 7800. If people would see clearly better looking games on PS3 compared to xbox 360 they would not mind one year delay and higher price.

 

[Moses85]

Sometimes?
I remember someone here saying they would never play Resident Evil 2 Remake because the truck driver didn't say ''guy's a maniac... why'd he bite me??''
And that's only 1 stupid ''if this happens or doesn't happen I'm gonna do this'' example out of thousands I come across monthly here
Entitled children well over 9000

I'm all for rumours and speculations, but you really have to cut through the layers and layers of entitled bullshitness when you check gaf, especially on the verge of new important reveals

Man, I can't wait for actual real details to drop. Then at least we're gonna move into another era of entitlement and dick measuring on gaf. Can't. Wait.

Personally, my money will go to the company who will impress me most, in a ratio of specs and actual games that fits my own tastes. Period.

This is a entire speculation thread, full of bullshit from 100 several wannabe leakers.

If I say, I don't buy a PS5 which is massively weaker than the New Xbox, than this is fact and no speculation.

Entspannt euch!

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

No. But here, have this for u if you want to read someone's rambling on

Now that would be freaking awesome but a couple bad decisions in there anyway. For instance why would they release so many new games in such a short span of time and when third parties will be taking up so many sales? Space those out one month at a time and have some hype and don't eat each others' sales.

Also I really don't think anyone needs to run 4 games at once

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

8 games at launch seems possible?
Gt7 at launch seems unlikely unless it's like GT sport. Maybe they mean launch window to .. and Sony ( as everyone) often seems ambitious before launch when several then get delayed

Sonys current ps4 lineup seems thin ( so they are obviously focusing on ps5) and they want to transition people fast ..the best approach would be affordable and lots of ps5 exclusives games ( not for ps4).

I guess I'm thinking it's prob 70% right with the usual caveats that games 8 months away from launch don't really know if they will be ready ( and they mean launch window not launch day).

( also I didn't read 3xsimd was debunked ..fair enough)

The PS4 lineup seems sufficient enough to me; only way it could be thin is if some of the rumors like Ghosts of Tsushima being moved from PS4 to PS5 are true (in which case, I'd figure that could be its own issue, given you may've had people who purchased PS4s for that game, but if it got moved altogether, they can't play it anymore).

I think they'll have some secured 3rd-party timed exclusives at launch, and maybe a 3rd-party full exclusive, plus 1-2 notable 1st party exclusives and maybe a 3rd lower-tier 1st party exclusive. But eight sounds like complete overkill.

People should keep in mind that when guys like Jim Ryan talk their talk, it's sort of meant as a hype machine. They exaggerate on certain claims, you shouldn't take them completely literally. When he said what he said, I interpret that more as in terms of having a really good lineup, possibly favoring quality over quantity at least with their first party.

I mean, the 1st party PS4 launch games weren't very good, even at the time of their launch, so I'm sure Sony want to make sure the PS5 1st-party are pretty substantial improvements. And it's more realistic to manage that with a couple of really good titles versus a sea of ho-hum ones.

 

[Audiophile]

While I miss some of the technical parts of them, those old E3 conferences look so stuffy and corporate compared to modern ones.

This was pretty masterful though: E3 2008 LittleBigPlanet Marketing Presentation

 

[whoever81]

What's with this whole PS3 debate? I can't follow. I just want a shining new PS5 Neogaf. I am not asking for much.