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[David Ricardo]

hey don't shoot me, I'm firmly in the camp that doesn't want one console to have a massive edge over the other and will be buying both, as always.

But usually, USUALLY, if you put your hand in fire without knowing what it is and get burned, you don't do it again. Ms for some reason if these "leaks" are true, will do something akin to sticking their head under a blow torch this time.

I mean, we can throw mud about as much as we want and side whatever way whenever but...What are the chances that Phil turned around the brand, did all the goodwill stuff he has, made a name for himself, then right when MS get to
Show the world the last console was a cock up... do it all over again?

Something is missing to this puzzle, and while leaks are leaks and should be taken with a grain of salt, they do all seem oddly in playstations favour. The silence is deafening from team Xbox in everything. It's perfectly fine to beat your chest, but there's a difference between an actual gorilla doing it and the gorilla from the dairy milk genesis advert.

You shouldn't rely too much on leaks here. Jason Schreier said they are very close in power. So much so that he thought it would take some time before we knew which one is more powerful, if ever. Klee said PS5 is more powerful, but when Matt said he guessed Xbox would be more powerful in the end, klee said he didn't disagree with him. All of those much more reliable insiders than what we got here point to both consoles being very close. We are not getting another PS4 vs One situation.

 

[FranXico]

Is this a joke? Please tell me you're joking.

L Lacix yeah, it was sarcasm. The previous poster was the one who was being serious. Sorry.

 

[sinnergy]

It's irrelevant to be honest. Mod of war has already said Tommy has info but wasn't willing to divulge the source or whatever else was asked of him. Much like @HeisenbergFX4 who is allowed to post his guesses at his lesuire.

Seems to me like all these neo member xbots are butt hurt and are reporting the posts willy nilly.

Even if Tommy refuses to give all the information again, I would not be at all surprised if his information is spot on.

He may just say ban me if the reveal is close just so they can unban him and apologise after lol.

You hope he is right, because PS5 looks more powerful... but we don't know which one is more powerful ... we know Xbox is powerfull ... we have seen the chip and it's big for a NAVI part and the casing which indicates superb cooling , but is it the most powerful??? ...

On top af that we have leaked test results that paint a not so good picture for Sony ... until they dismiss those with info ... we don't know which one is more powerful...

That's a lot powerful in 1 post

 

[Captn]

Nothing happens... that's how it went from nes/snes and up. PC always had better hardware at some point in the console generation... yet it almost had no games graphically as good as console games ... just saying .. that's closed box development...

Can't argue with that, you'r right but that was in the past, not today anymore. Take any game on PS4 and I'll find you a game on PC that is as nice or better because of all the obvious reasons PC brings considering the hardware you can build with. I am not talking about price now, that is a separate thing on it's own if we are only talking about visuals.

I just think that the beginning of consoles life cycles was and will always be better if ever they make more, than PC at equal pricing. But man, 2 years and it's done. Even with the Pro refreshes 3-4 years down that cycle can't be sustained long enough.

 

[darkinstinct]

Cause they don't want to leak that?

ROFL, so you are saying that Remedy rather takes a multi million dollar lawsuit for breaking laws than to announce their acquisition. Do you even have any idea how the stock market works? Because you seem pretty delusional. So going by that tidbit all your information is utter trash, as expected. Go troll someone more gullible.

 

[Shmunter]

PS5 retail box leak...

Sony - "PS5 is for consumers who think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one, so I can buy a house with an extra room'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else. Even a second job to pay for theirs"

 

[TheRaidenPT]

To be fair the PS4 actually was 40% faster than the Xbox One and 100$ cheaper.

(But I am with you on this one. I think that post is absolute BS and just random nonsense to fuel a console war.)



Yup and one thing many seem to forget is that Devkits are not necessarily very close to the retail product that consumers are going to buy in November this year.
I think at some point (maybe those were just rumors so don't take my word for it) the PS4 devkit had a GTX 680 or something. A GPU that was twice as powerful as what eventually made it into the PS4.

So even if people have information on the Devkits it might not be very useful to us. Or maybe they have heard things about it, but due to a lack of hardware knowledge they don't know how to translate the information they have.

It also it quite possible that amongst the plethora of leaks we got that an actual legit one is in there.

Exactly.

Plus we can't forget that we indeed get some photos of both PS5 and Series X Dev kits (well, early units technically) but still the question remains...

Who has been briefed about the actual hardware on them?

 

[Gamernyc78]

This feels right, Sony would buy a big building full of nothing.

And fill it with all their yearly goty awards

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Sony - "PS5 is for consumers who think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one, so I can buy a house with an extra room'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else. Even a second job to pay for theirs"

Did you just quote yourself

 

[tusharngf]

PS5 advertisement

 

[gargalo13]

 

[Handy Fake]

PS5 advertisement

My mates work for Currys.
As far as I'm aware the only real work they do is stick small photographs of Ainsley Harriott's head in inaccessible places around the shop.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Are we gonna get a ps5 meeting announcement next week ? I hope so lol

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Are we gonna get a ps5 meeting announcement next week ? I hope so lol

History could repeat itself, may be it doesn't and we may have to wait until June/July

 

[hemo memo]

PS5 advertisement

When is the PS5 coming out?

We don't know the exact PS5 release date as yet. However, Sony has advised us that it will be launched in time for Christmas 2020. The PS5 pre-order date is also to be confirmed.

http://bit.ly/2TPkXkO

Of course.

 

[DJ12]

You hope he is right, because PS5 looks more powerful... but we don't know which one is more powerful ... we know Xbox is powerfull ... we have seen the chip and it's big for a NAVI part and the casing which indicates superb cooling , but is it the most powerful??? ...

On top af that we have leaked test results that paint a not so good picture for Sony ... until they dismiss those with info ... we don't know which one is more powerful...

That's a lot powerful in 1 post

Couldn't give a monkeys to be honest. Happy pc gamer here. (Sony bias though I admit)

I just don't like the mental gymnastics all these neo members are going through to disprove everything they don't like

 

[Shmunter]

Did you just quote yourself

I knew some smartass will ping me for it. Lol, shit moves too fast, forgive me.

 

[IllegalLemon]

True... just up the clocks

It ain't as simple to increase the clocks as many people in some places seem to think. Why do you think that desktop cpus haven't reached 10 GHz as some researchers postulated in the past? Because heat is the worst enemy of any electronic device, amping the clock speed will also increase the amount of heat being produced and if your cooling solution ain't powerful enough to dissipate the extra heat, your hardware is at a massive risk of overheating which will in turn damage it. Increasing clocks needs careful planning and additional modifications done to the hardware to deal with the additional heat.

 

[Darius87]

I bet they could do some magic on a 14TF console. Could.
I am glad you are seeing where I am going with this 14TF in a console nonsense.

if aiming for 4k 30 to 60fps, i think anythink above 12 Tflops in console is just meaningless for next-gen.
rather improve other aspects like RT, physics, AI, etc. with that kind of computational power the problem becomes human resources and talent, on other hand sony have psvr so more then 12 flops is not meaningless for them but i still think that psvr won't be at 4K most likely from 1440p to 1800p at 90 -120fps, though the question is how much foveated rendering improves performance and does next psvr will support it i've seen that's prety hard tech to implement.

 

[gamechanger87]

Cause they don't want to leak that?

Some of you all are idiots. Any acquisition of Remedy would be public and require a vote by the shareholders.

any agreement signed by the board to sell the company must be immediately disclosed and voted on

I can't believe some of you actually think that Remedy/Sony are going to violate securities laws.

Tommy is a fraud. Please stop listening to him

 

[Ellery]

if aiming for 4k 30 to 60fps, i think anythink above 12 Tflops in console is just meaningless for next-gen.
rather improve other aspects like RT, physics, AI, etc. with that kind of computational power the problem becomes human resources and talent, on other hand sony have psvr so more then 12 flops is not meaningless for them but i still think that psvr won't be at 4K most likely from 1440p to 1800p at 90 -120fps, though the question is how much foveated rendering improves performance and does next psvr will support it i've seen that's prety hard tech to implement.

I was just making a joke. Sony/Ms/AMD are in no position to easily put in more than 12TF in a console, but more raw performance is never meaningless. I agree that other things need improvements too and humans are factor that is limiting aswell ( in a sense of that we aren't perfect and only have finite time to make games ).

 

[Nickolaidas]

Some of you all are idiots. Any acquisition of Remedy would be public and require a vote by the shareholders.

any agreement signed by the board to sell the company must be immediately disclosed and voted on

I can't believe some of you actually think that Remedy/Sony are going to violate securities laws.

Tommy is a fraud. Please stop listening to him

But what if they decided to sign the papers really, REALLY quietly?

 

[MilkyJoe]

just like with the reveal PS4 and XBOX ONE. You can see based on size which one is more powerful.

And absolutely not even comparable.

P.s. One was completely quiet, the other is a vacuum cleaner

 

[Okami Haundo]

Some of you all are idiots. Any acquisition of Remedy would be public and require a vote by the shareholders.

any agreement signed by the board to sell the company must be immediately disclosed and voted on

I can't believe some of you actually think that Remedy/Sony are going to violate securities laws.

Tommy is a fraud. Please stop listening to him

Aside from fanboy fantasy, I just don't really get where these Remedy rumors even came from. They broke off their partnership with Microsoft to have freedem and a wider reach for their games. Control is also selling well based on their expectations.

I feel like game enthusiasts fall into this trap of wanting every developer they like to have infinite money/resources. The assumption seems to be that in return they'll crank their ideas up to 11 and start making every game into a AAA blockbuster.

To hell with that. Some of the best games I've played this generation have been made by small teams on lower-end budgets.

 

[TLZ]

And absolutely not even comparable.

P.s. One was completely quiet, the other is a vacuum cleaner

You're talking about size and power though

 

[DJ12]

Some of you all are idiots. Any acquisition of Remedy would be public and require a vote by the shareholders.

Pot meet kettle.

Finland's laws are very vague on if something is required to be declared at all.

So it's very possible that Sony and Remedy have worked through an acquisition without having to declare anything about it at all.

Maybe they've agreed to finalise the deal on the day Sony want to announce the procurement.

 

[MilkyJoe]

You're talking about size and power though

We're talking heavyweights here, you can forget the flyweights

 

[gamechanger87]

Pot meet kettle.

Finland's laws are very vague on if something is required to be declared at all.

So it's very possible that Sony and Remedy have worked through an acquisition without having to declare anything about it at all.

Maybe they've agreed to finalise the deal on the day Sony want to announce the procurement.

The shareholders vote on the sale. There is no "question" about it.

some of you all are really stretching reality trying to justify the fact that this person knows nothing.

I have literally taken companies private (what Sony would do here) and taken them public. Disclosure and approval laws are in place for a reason to protect the public.

 

[BattleScar]

We're talking heavyweights here, you can forget the flyweights

This is called 'shifting the goalpost'.

 

[TLZ]

We're talking heavyweights here, you can forget the flyweights

Just take it on the chin and move on. Was quite the touché, non?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I can defend anything until the cows come home. Except the original Xbox one, that was a complete cock up.

And Trump.

 

[Dane]

PS5 devkits are getting crash'd at alarming rates, comparable to X360

Spoiler

My friend told his father work at Playstation

 

[Darius87]

I was just making a joke. Sony/Ms/AMD are in no position to easily put in more than 12TF in a console, but more raw performance is never meaningless. I agree that other things need improvements too and humans are factor that is limiting aswell ( in a sense of that we aren't perfect and only have finite time to make games ).

in console it's kind a is.... unless you care for some extra fps and zoom in to search for better detail etc., but overall picture quality won't change that much that you could see a noticable difference in the same game of course you could up res to 8K and everything else with more raw power but i'm talking in next-gen settings 4K 30 to 60fps.

 

[Psyrgery ES]

No matter the outcome after what Sony has to reveal there WILL be meltdowns.

It will be glorious

 

[TGO]

The PS5 will be revealed

Spoiler

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

 

[PocoJoe]

Pot meet kettle.

Finland's laws are very vague on if something is required to be declared at all.

So it's very possible that Sony and Remedy have worked through an acquisition without having to declare anything about it at all.

Maybe they've agreed to finalise the deal on the day Sony want to announce the procurement.

Yeah maybe ( I havent studied our law) but if Finland is mentioned for a nanosecond in Hollywood movie, like someone drinks whiskey from Finnish design glass or some character mentions Finland/one our cities = almost headline news.

Sony buying remedy would most likely leak and we would have a parades for that. and they would print the news paper with 2x size just to have bigger headlines.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

True... just up the clocks

I think they may have upped the clocks already in a butt-clenching last ditch effort to keep up with the ungodly power of the PS5, glimpsed through devkits.

It's business as usual with PS5 being more powerful. Same way PS3 and PS4 trumped their counterparts.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Something was brought up about remedy on the other site is that majority of remedy shareholders are the company employees . So if they want they can all agree to keep it under wraps Based on their agreement.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Gee, I wonder why it took you all this time to mention this? As opposed to weeks ago? (rhetorical question btw)


Everything else you mentioned have been speculated endlessly, particularily aquisitions of Housemarque & Remedy. This has been talked about to death over in the Reee Playstation first party thread.

These pseudo 'insiders' are just becoming boring at this point.

I'm not going to say that he is legit or not, or that i believe everything he says, or nothing... But to be fair he's been claiming pretty much the same things for the past few months _ you can check his post history. And even those things, like the acquisitions, that he talked about after others like Osiris, aren't really proof of he being fake or copying others _ maybe he didn't had the information, went to confirm, and only then posted _ if they are true what would he say?
One thing is for sure, he accepted the vetting process with Mod of War , didn't run away like others did. It was a disappointment because didn't provide enough information and wasn't vetted.... but wasn't banned also so, who knows man!? It's a fu***d up wait for situation... Soon®

Yep, and he only added the Housemarque and Techland bits after the rumours started, not before. $100 loss is spurious too. It's like an amalgamation of rumours he's heard i.e a crock of shit.

Maybe...

The system information lines up with everything that everyone in the gaming media and developers have said. I cannot say anything new about consoles or games until the reveal.

... or maybe not?


It's like that poem that says
"When Man dreams the earth bounce and moves."

Man used to dream he could fly:

 

[xool]

Interesting rumor :

Intel's next-gen DG2: 7nm node by TSMC, not Intel's in-house 7nm

Intel's new high-end DG2 GPU rumored to use 7nm node from TSMC, second-gen Xe GPU.

www.tweaktown.com

[edit] source was AdoredTV via wccftech .. is that bad ?

 

[FranXico]

It's like that poem that says
"When Man dreams the earth bounce and moves."

Eles não sabem que o sonho...

 

[chemical boy]

Can't argue with that, you'r right but that was in the past, not today anymore. Take any game on PS4 and I'll find you a game on PC that is as nice or better because of all the obvious reasons PC brings considering the hardware you can build with. I am not talking about price now, that is a separate thing on it's own if we are only talking about visuals.

I just think that the beginning of consoles life cycles was and will always be better if ever they make more, than PC at equal pricing. But man, 2 years and it's done. Even with the Pro refreshes 3-4 years down that cycle can't be sustained long enough.

There is no car game with better graphics today than DriveClub.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Just take it on the chin and move on. Was quite the touché, non?

Oh aye, t'was a bon burn

 

[Swadedtx]

The system information lines up with everything that everyone in the gaming media and developers have said. I cannot say anything new about consoles or games until the reveal.

I just wanna know of Socom is coming out

 

[01011001]

There is no car game with better graphics today than DriveClub.

30fps, almost no physics calculation due to a super arcady physics model and less cars on the track than in most racing games.

that's why it looks as good as it does. it saves resources that are necessary in simulations because it is an arcade racer that is way less demanding.

basically, people tend to compare driveclub to actual 60fps simulations with physics simulations running at more than 300hz or even open world racing games that constantly need to dynamically stream in new data.
so of course it looks better than those.

 

[DJ12]

The shareholders vote on the sale. There is no "question" about it.

some of you all are really stretching reality trying to justify the fact that this person knows nothing.

I have literally taken companies private (what Sony would do here) and taken them public. Disclosure and approval laws are in place for a reason to protect the public.

In Finland?

 

[GermanZepp]

No matter the outcome after what Sony has to reveal there WILL be meltdowns.

It will be glorious

That is the beauty of all this.

 

[whoever81]

 

[hemo memo]

Can confirm. PS5 will be revealed pretty

 

[RookX22]

You cant argue when price isnt envolved, just like you cant compare pc parts against each other without involving price. If you go back 7 years and buy a 400$ pc tell me how good it runs games today. Then you say well i can just upgrade the parts but isnt that the same as buying new console since a mid range gpu today is 350 to 400$ by itself.