Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gamernyc78 said:
The narrative was never tht it was weaker, it started with ps5 having the edge since the Reiner tweet months ago then it changed over time with all the bs floating around.
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Yeah that's why I'm still with Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier and Matt.

Not ONE report or rumor stated that XSX is more powerful, all of them were stating that they're equal as twins or PS5 being a bit more powerful in GPU, that's it.
 
HGamer said:
Yeah that's why I'm still with Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier and Matt.

Not ONE report or rumor stated that XSX is more powerful, all of them were stating that they're equal as twins or PS5 being a bit more powerful in GPU, that's it.
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except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
 
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saintjules said:
Question is how much reworking would they have to do to make it next-gen standards for something like Watch Dogs? Definitely some enhancements on next-gen for sure to make it on par as a reveal trailer. I'll have to check the trailer again. Usually those never feel like the final gameplay in retail.

I was hyped when I saw the Division 1 reveal Trailer. Even the sequel didn't look anything like it.
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Not sure if i understand your question but if they were to (re)create their "vision" on a next gen machine that would look like Watch Dogs, i think it would be something on the lines of adding more npc's on screen, work on the lighting and adding the visual effects it had on the trailer (smoke, wind blowing leafs/can, rain?).

The Division would require more work since it's visible the detail /quantity of objects on screen they had on the reveal trailer.

 
Burrito Bandito said:
except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
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Also I get the feeling Matt, Klee and the others are referring to performance results from dev kits, which they already said in the past MS was behind on. Not sure how true that is however.

But yeah, there are quite a few possibilities but the most realistic one atm based on what info is out there and what data there is that's been found, leads me to think XSX has the GPU edge (clocks, size; medium), might have the CPU edge (clocks; small), memory edge (bandwidth and possibly amount; small to medium) and PS5 might have the SSD edge (speed; small to medium) and probably RT (small). In terms of the final retail systems, anyway.

Just basing that on a mix hard data, benchmarks and what some of the more credible insiders have been saying. But I weigh the data and benchmarks a good deal more than insider claims, because (IMO) we'd have some sort of leaks/evidence come out to verify some of those claims by now, but they haven't.

ShaDowDaNcA said:
Well why hasn't MS said it?
They said... "most powerful Xbox"
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Because they aren't in marketing season for nect-gen consoles yet? Their marketing plans might also be shifting away from explicit mention of power compared to competition even if they have an actual technical edge.

Doubt either them or Sony will focus their marketing in ways that draw too strong indirect or direct comparisons to their competition.
 
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Burrito Bandito said:
except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
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Again with this shit. If you're going to go by what Matt said about his educated guess, you can't ignore that he said Github is old info and that the systems are really close. 9.2 vs 12TF is nowhere close like he mentioned. It's like you guys pick and choose what you want to hear only, hilarious :messenger_tears_of_joy:.
 
As much as it pains me, I do think the SX now will be less powerful, which is surprising with all the talk MS have given, and how it makes zero sense if you have lockheart as well.
 
PocoJoe said:
Well IMO it is logical to dislike xbox stick placement because humans have "symmetrical mirrored hands" and thumbs rest on the sticks most of the time while gaming.

So with xbox one hand must be either in different grip to have both thumbs in the same relaxed position, or one thumb must be kept on non-relaxed state to keep it on the stick (left stick for me).

when I pick up DS4, both thumbs are naturally positioned so that they are on the sticks as they should be, so changin that just cant be an improvement with any logic.

Any time I have seen people complaining about ds4, they use some crazy "claw" grip or just keep hands weirdly, instead of just keeping relaxed grip where area with fingerprint is on the sticks.

I have kind of big hands with long average width fingers, friends have small girl hands and small man hands with long fingers = all have naturally relaxed grip with ds4.

Xbox controller is like having a driving wheel in a car with one round side and one square, just stupid and not logical. D-pad is rarely used and most games which use buttons on the right side are made so that it is easy to switch right thumb from stick to buttons and back

= DS4 stick placement is just superior as there is no reason to have them fucked up like on xbox other than years of "getting used to it"
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Ah, I see. Thanks! I forgot about the Xbox controller having the different placement. Still, I think it's probably like the old Mac versus Windows deal. If you started out with the Xbox controller I'm sure it feels wrong to use a DS4 and vice versa.

Thanks again!
 
Burrito Bandito said:
except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
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Since you said Matt said "XSX would end up being more powerful" I wanna say that Matt also said that GitHub leak is outdated & not what's the ps5 is gonna end up being.
 
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demigod said:
Again with this shit. If you're going to go by what Matt said about his educated guess, you can't ignore that he said Github is old info and that the systems are really close. 9.2 vs 12TF is nowhere close like he mentioned. It's like you guys pick and choose what you want to hear only, hilarious :messenger_tears_of_joy:.
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You seem more guilty of that than the people you criticize. You guys are acting like ignorant Europeans during the Dark Ages who took the word of Popes as gospel. And the popes abused that power, understandably, since so many uneducated put blind faith in them.

I listen to what the insiders say and can put some stock into some of their claims, but I'm not a blind faith follower, either. Rejecting other relevant data just because it upsets you is foolish. Do better.

Vinex said:
Since you said Matt said "XSX would end up being more powerful" I wanna say that Matt also said that GitHub leak is outdated & not what's the ps5 is gonna end up being.
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Then why can't Matt explain lack of any datamined GPU benchmarks verifying some existence of another PS5 GPU chip? Or a different version of Oberon with more CUs on it?

The dataminers are very skilled at what they do and it's still possible they might uncover something of that ilk, but the fact it hasn't happened yet is the troubling part.
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
You seem more guilty of that than the people you criticize. You guys are acting like ignorant Europeans during the Dark Ages who took the word of Popes as gospel. And the popes abused that power, understandably, since so many uneducated put blind faith in them.

I listen to what the insiders say and can put some stock into some of their claims, but I'm not a blind faith follower, either. Rejecting other relevant data just because it upsets you is foolish. Do better.
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And you're guilty of preaching the 9.2TF. Who's ignorant now?
 
Burrito Bandito said:
except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
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As already pointed out. The Github leak lacks context. But I feel we are getting hung up on the power narrative without fully understanding what these next-gen games will look like.

As we understand it MS will be releasing two sku's. A mainstream 4TF machine that will target 1080p. Plus a high-end 4K (in various flavours) machine. The games on both machines will be near identical other than resolution.

For at least a year or two. 1st Party titles will also be playable on current-gen machines. With all the design limitations that implies.

At Sony they will have a single high-end sku which 1st Party will focus all resources on for AAA projects. I'm sure we'll still get some cross-gen indie games.

I really do wonder just how long it will be until we see devs take full advantage of these machines. I'm guessing by the time they do. We'll be preparing for mid-gen upgrades.
 
demigod said:
And you're guilty of preaching the 9.2TF. Who's ignorant now?
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That's not what I said, learn to read. I said the Github and GPU benchmark data (not all of it has been "preaching" 9.2TF, btw) is still very relevant to this conversation, and arguably the most relevant for those who value hard data and consistent data results over simply buying into what other people are saying. At the very least, that's what I implied, and have outright said in previous comments on the topic.

But there's no point telling this to you; no matter how many times I say I also listen to the insiders, no matter how many times I say I also worked with the benchmarks and data to see how it could fit into some of the claims they have made, the fact I still put any stock into data you are personally frightened by will make me a "fanboy" or "enemy" on the "other side" to you. There's no rationality in discussing this kind of stuff with you, you're acting like an irrational console warrior when that isn't required. At all.

So like I was suggesting before, do better.
 
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Sinthor said:
Ah, I see. Thanks! I forgot about the Xbox controller having the different placement. Still, I think it's probably like the old Mac versus Windows deal. If you started out with the Xbox controller I'm sure it feels wrong to use a DS4 and vice versa.

Thanks again!
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Totally. Although I agree with everything PocoJoe PocoJoe said, I think both systems should offer both controller styles with the different position thumbsticks. You can get unofficial ones but they're not the same. First company to do so might get some gamers to switch systems.

Btw does the Poco in your name stand for Port Coquitlam?
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
You seem more guilty of that than the people you criticize. You guys are acting like ignorant Europeans during the Dark Ages who took the word of Popes as gospel. And the popes abused that power, understandably, since so many uneducated put blind faith in them.

I listen to what the insiders say and can put some stock into some of their claims, but I'm not a blind faith follower, either. Rejecting other relevant data just because it upsets you is foolish. Do better.



Then why can't Matt explain lack of any datamined GPU benchmarks verifying some existence of another PS5 GPU chip? Or a different version of Oberon with more CUs on it?

The dataminers are very skilled at what they do and it's still possible they might uncover something of that ilk, but the fact it hasn't happened yet is the troubling part.
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Do you even read mate?? It seems you're here just to push your narrative without bothering to read what people are saying. The guy above said, Matt said "XSX would end up being more powerful" I said Matt also said "that GitHub leak is outdated & not representative to what the ps5 is going to be. I'm not saying Matt is 100% legit nor I'm saying he is fake, So don't ask me why Matt didn't explain this or that, because I don't know.
 
The github leask still lurking in the back of everyone's minds it sems... I really hope the servers of this site are ready to bet stress tested if the 12TF vs. 9.2TF leak turns out to be accurate...
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Burrito Bandito said:
except the most credible leak of them all....github which was endorsed by credible outlets.

btw Matt himself said he thinks it would end up more powerful. So that leaves you Klee and Schreier. Not to mention Klee has zero track record.

Im open to any possibility and believe that theres many variables that could have misled some insiders early on. its also possible that they were correct all along. But to say theres zero reason to think the xbox is more powerful is just burying your head in sand
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Matt and Kleegamefan both have seen the GitHub leak with us and they denied it, actual insiders with credible sources verified by ResetEra, THEY have the information and they have seen both, what they have from their trusted developer sources and what that GitHub leak suggests, and guess what, they both DENIED IT!

They have the upper hand in saying if those leaks are TRUE or NOT, and Richard Leadbetter from Digital Foundry has also stated that 'it lacks context'.

Jason Schreier as well has been pretty sure from what he heard that both consoles are gonna be 'more powerful than the Nvidia RTX 2080 graphics card'.....many other developers have stated that the consoles are basically like twins, they are neck-to-neck.

IF the GitHub Oberon leak is TRUE for PlayStation 5, then the console wouldn't even clock at 2000 MHz to even begin with, it would be 8 to 8.5 TF, not 9.2 as 2000 MHz is too much for a console and it would not work, that is a fact.

Well, if the PS5 is 8 TF or around it then you'll see many reports stating that it is way weaker than Xbox Series X, but lo and behold, at E3 2019, many developers are saying that the PlayStation 5 is more powerful than the Xbox Series X and TO ADD MORE FUEL TO THE FIRE, Arthur Gies from Polygon stated that the 12 TF for Xbox Series X was discussed and was known by developers at that time, so how is in that time, the PS5 is stronger? So PS5 must be stronger than 12 TF, and keep in mind, even in that time, both console manufacturers are pretty locked in with their main chips.

And Matt did NOT state Xbox is more powerful, he GUESSED it, it was his guesstimate, not a confirmation, he stated it back in June 2019 when he didn't have full info of both consoles and their targets, now he knows everything about the specs according to Kleegamefan, please stop spreading misinformation.
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Also I get the feeling Matt, Klee and the others are referring to performance results from dev kits, which they already said in the past MS was behind on. Not sure how true that is however.

But yeah, there are quite a few possibilities but the most realistic one atm based on what info is out there and what data there is that's been found, leads me to think XSX has the GPU edge (clocks, size; medium), might have the CPU edge (clocks; small), memory edge (bandwidth and possibly amount; small to medium) and PS5 might have the SSD edge (speed; small to medium) and probably RT (small). In terms of the final retail systems, anyway.

Just basing that on a mix hard data, benchmarks and what some of the more credible insiders have been saying. But I weigh the data and benchmarks a good deal more than insider claims, because (IMO) we'd have some sort of leaks/evidence come out to verify some of those claims by now, but they haven't.



Because they aren't in marketing season for nect-gen consoles yet? Their marketing plans might also be shifting away from explicit mention of power compared to competition even if they have an actual technical edge.

Doubt either them or Sony will focus their marketing in ways that draw too strong indirect or direct comparisons to their competition.
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Oh MS plays the power game narrative.
MS isn't in marketing season yet?
They showed the console!
When they showed XB X they said it was the most powerful console and it released a year later.

I think this time they are unsure cause maybe just maybe Sony does have multiple options and one of those options is equal to better than XSX.
 
Vinex Vinex I accidentally quoted you bruv, that was meant for demigod, so chill out a little 'k? ;)

LED Guy? LED Guy? No, developers themselves haven't come out saying much about the next-gen systems other than they're very powerful (as a generalized term). Insiders who claim they've talked with developers have been making that claim. Developers would not, out of common-sense business practices, outright claim one system was more powerful than the other before either system has actually even launched.

That doesn't happen, and the last time we ever saw devs outright making those claims were in the mid-'90s, such as PS1 vs. Saturn (where an EA dev I believe claimed Saturn could only do 60,000 polygons but they based that on a botched port of Daytona USA, not the actual technical specifications of the hardware).

It's very important to keep that kind of stuff straight, because if we don't it ends up creating unintended FUD.

S0ULZB0URNE S0ULZB0URNE That was 2017. This is 2020. And obviously, Sony could have other options in development. It's not usually the case with them if you look at their previous console R&D processes (as in, different versions being developed simultaneously. Even what eventually became the PS1 was the Play Station scrapped (because Nintendo and Sony had that falling out) and then retooled into the eventual PS1).

What I don't understand is the persistent inclination from some thinking the PS5 must be more powerful than XSX, as if it's a preordained fate to be fulfilled. Some of it almost comes off as militant in nature. If it happens one way or the other, it happens. That's all there is to it.
 
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I'm one of the big Sony fans here in GAF.

Even I believe MS will have the TFs edge but the difference will be like 5%.

I believe games will run better on PS5 and first-party will shine over others games due the MS weird choices.
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's not what I said, learn to read. I said the Github and GPU benchmark data (not all of it has been "preaching" 9.2TF, btw) is still very relevant to this conversation, and arguably the most relevant for those who value hard data and consistent data results over simply buying into what other people are saying. At the very least, that's what I implied, and have outright said in previous comments on the topic.

But there's no point telling this to you; no matter how many times I say I also listen to the insiders, no matter how many times I say I also worked with the benchmarks and data to see how it could fit into some of the claims they have made, the fact I still put any stock into data you are personally frightened by will make me a "fanboy" or "enemy" on the "other side" to you. There's no rationality in discussing this kind of stuff with you, you're acting like an irrational console warrior when that isn't required. At all.

So like I was suggesting before, do better.
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Says the guy that's been console warrioring. Why you guys always console war and then try to call out others like you're not doing it yourself? I suggest you take your own advice and "do better".

To me, github is not relevant to the discussion because it's OLD INFO. Get it thru your thick skull. But go ahead and ramble for another 10 pages of github since that's what you've been doing. Don't try to use Matt as a source and then ignore his github info is old.
 
Vinex said:
Since you said Matt said "XSX would end up being more powerful" I wanna say that Matt also said that GitHub leak is outdated & not what's the ps5 is gonna end up being.
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How dare you demand 'The Order of The GitHub Leak' not to be selective? That's preposterous, sir!!!
 
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demigod said:
Says the guy that's been console warrioring. Why you guys always console war and then try to call out others like you're not doing it yourself? I suggest you take your own advice and "do better".

To me, github is not relevant to the discussion because it's OLD INFO. Get it thru your thick skull. But go ahead and ramble for another 10 pages of github since that's what you've been doing. Don't try to use Matt as a source and then ignore his github info is old.
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OLD? 1 year is nothing considering how long such an APU is in development
if the info is correct and people interpreted it correctly then there is almost no time to change anything significant about these chips.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's not what I said, learn to read. I said the Github and GPU benchmark data (not all of it has been "preaching" 9.2TF, btw) is still very relevant to this conversation, and arguably the most relevant for those who value hard data and consistent data results over simply buying into what other people are saying. At the very least, that's what I implied, and have outright said in previous comments on the topic.

But there's no point telling this to you; no matter how many times I say I also listen to the insiders, no matter how many times I say I also worked with the benchmarks and data to see how it could fit into some of the claims they have made, the fact I still put any stock into data you are personally frightened by will make me a "fanboy" or "enemy" on the "other side" to you. There's no rationality in discussing this kind of stuff with you, you're acting like an irrational console warrior when that isn't required. At all.

So like I was suggesting before, do better.
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GitHub is irrelevant for any conversation about the specs of next-gen consoles.
 
01011001 said:
OLD? 1 year is nothing considering how long such an APU is in development
if the info is correct and people interpreted it correctly then there is almost no time to change anything significant about these chips.
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Context is key and we already know about a low-spec'd machine being specifically used to test the SSD speed of PS4 games.

That's a match.
 
Reindeer said:
You serious? They literally hyped Xbox being at the Superbowl and then showed nothing.
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Alright Reindeer. I like you man and your post but I told you before people take you wrong because of the delivery. 1. Who was they? 2. It is still a fail not to promote anything except for 2 mothers "although beautiful", on stage busting it open during halftime
 
HGamer said:
Yeah that's why I'm still with Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier and Matt.

Not ONE report or rumor stated that XSX is more powerful, all of them were stating that they're equal as twins or PS5 being a bit more powerful in GPU, that's it.
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Yup and thy are industry type ppl not nobodies but noooo github is the truth lol 😂 😂 😂
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Vinex Vinex I accidentally quoted you bruv, that was meant for demigod, so chill out a little 'k? ;)

LED Guy? LED Guy? No, developers themselves haven't come out saying much about the next-gen systems other than they're very powerful (as a generalized term). Insiders who claim they've talked with developers have been making that claim. Developers would not, out of common-sense business practices, outright claim one system was more powerful than the other before either system has actually even launched.

That doesn't happen, and the last time we ever saw devs outright making those claims were in the mid-'90s, such as PS1 vs. Saturn (where an EA dev I believe claimed Saturn could only do 60,000 polygons but they based that on a botched port of Daytona USA, not the actual technical specifications of the hardware).

It's very important to keep that kind of stuff straight, because if we don't it ends up creating unintended FUD.

S0ULZB0URNE S0ULZB0URNE That was 2017. This is 2020. And obviously, Sony could have other options in development. It's not usually the case with them if you look at their previous console R&D processes (as in, different versions being developed simultaneously. Even what eventually became the PS1 was the Play Station scrapped (because Nintendo and Sony had that falling out) and then retooled into the eventual PS1).

What I don't understand is the persistent inclination from some thinking the PS5 must be more powerful than XSX, as if it's a preordained fate to be fulfilled. Some of it almost comes off as militant in nature. If it happens one way or the other, it happens. That's all there is to it.
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The previous Sony R&D process had PS4 change it's ram from 2GB's to 4 and then finally 8GB's.
So changes that improve the spec are possible.
 
Mendou said:
Can a port like this realistically power anything above 10 RDNA tflops? I don't want to get my hopes up anymore.


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This port actually can power a lot more than 10TFs RDNA lol

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International: 250 Volts 2.5 Amps (625W)
American: 125 Volts 10 Amps (1250W)

* That is not the limitation of the C7 technology... just the limitation done by the countries regulation.

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bitbydeath said:
Context is key and we already know about a low-spec'd machine being specifically used to test the SSD speed of PS4 games.

That's a match.
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I was just saying, the leaks are not outdated, a lot of people still think you can completely change an APU that is custom designed for years within a few months and then have it ready for launch soon after.
 
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