bitbydeath
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Klee admitted that XSX is 12 and PS5 is above that.
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Klee admitted that XSX is 12 and PS5 is above that.
Agnostic2020
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Btw matt believes xbox is stronger by say 15% so 10.2 and 12 lets say as an example in favour of xsx
LordOfChaos
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There was also this slide last November
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bitbydeath
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Didn't he say PS5 has a stronger devkit but he expects XSX to be stronger with the retail version?
Gamernyc78
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Oye me tengo que enfriar "everyone i have luv for you no matter the console you play on. Good gaming all"
Where did Matt say 13?
Where is Matt saying any of this?
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Agnostic2020
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Yes 15% infavour of xsx for retail he said
bitbydeath
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I'll edit, think I mixed him up with someone else.
TLZ
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LED Guy?
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1. Yeah GitHub for XSX only says 56 CUs, no clocks mentioned.
2. Please tell me when have they not been right?
3. So they denied it, I believe them because they saw the GitHub leak with us and they saw the direct trusted info that they have, I mean c'mon!
4. No, Kleegamefan actually said XSX is a slightly above 12 Navi TFs, and said PS5 is a bit more powerful than XSX, so both over 12 RDNA TFs.
All I'm saying is that there are overwhelming reports from trusted insiders which point to PS5 not having any relation to the Oberon 9.2 TF leak whatsoever, but hey I'm not forcing you to accept what I say, it's your choice in the end, we'll see the official specs or the real leaks that are going to surface at GDC 2020 which will start on the 16th of March if Sony didn't reveal the PlayStation 5 in February.
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Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
I think you're mistaken. Matt never gave numbers.
Either way 15% is not that big of a difference. I don't think you'll even notice it.
Most insiders have called both machines next gen twins. We should stop obsessing over the numbers with both being so close in power.
At this stage i'm so damn keen to see what new games or IP's are coming to both SeX and PS5.
OrionNebula
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That's what I'd like. A single post but with a full basic summary of all the insiders with their ''predictions''
On a side note : all that bullshit ''fortnight/14 days'', all those ''Jan 31st'' and ''Feb 5th''... reminds me of that quote in Firefly :
- Jayne Cobb : Ten percent of nothing is, let me do the math here, nothing into nothing, carry the nothin'...
01011001
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damn, people gonna be disappointed.
we should expect 9TF anything else is a bonus. but 9TF is a reasonable expectation going by AMD GPU prices and the Xbox One/PS4 hardware to price ratio at launch
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chemical boy
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Matt never gave numbers. Only his guess that Xbox could be stronger.
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Also:
Andrew Reiner = 13
He was then promptly harassed and abused on twitter (by presumably Xbox fans) and vowed to never reveal such things again.
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bitbydeath
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That's probably who I was thinking of and not Matt.
Matt=No numbers provided.
Klee=Above 12
Benji=13
Jason Schreier=Above 2080
Osiris=12
Heisenberg=12
Tommy=13
Andrew Reiner=13
Bladed Thesis
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Lockhart?
If I remember correctly, Klee even came out when the rumors started swirling again and said he was 100% sure Lockhart had been killed permanently. It's a small thing but let's not pretend these insiders have the final word. We're all grasping at straws here and these insiders just have a few more straws than us.
bitbydeath
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Do you think Lockhart will arrive at launch or later down the track? It is odd MS aren't commenting on it. Makes me think theirs internal debates on if it should exist.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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We actually managed that for a while when these spec rumors first kicked up, but in hindsight with the GPU benchmark datamines and insiders (some not credible) contesting against them, it became apparent to me that some PS fans were just fanboys only saying "they're both gonna be great no worries" because their preferred system was rumored to be the stronger of the two.
Once that narrative changed I saw some true colors come out xD. Not to say there aren't Xbox fanboys too who have done similar (there are), but I have noticed a split in the two camps in terms of whom they want to believe. Myself personally, I've already mentioned which of the two seem more credible to me at this time and have given more than enough reasons, but apparently some individuals would rather label folks off simply because they don't arrive at the same consensus.
Unfortunately the fact you've got people on one side who want to completely write off the benchmarks and hard data leaks, and people on the other side who want to completely write off every claim from every insider, makes genuine discourse very difficult. So we end up bickering over stuff other than the games themselves. Even now you've got people high off of next-gen war fumes ginning up PS3 vs. 360 debates out of seemingly nowhere, and you can just see right through the reasons they do it, usually it's not for genuine discussion but rather more console warring bullshit.
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Bladed Thesis
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I think it depends where the PS5 falls. If the PS5 is the same price as the SeX, then Lockhart probably drops at launch. If PS5 is less than SeX, Lockhart definitely drops at launch.
Both Klee and Matt will be the first to tell you they have not and will not be always be correct. As pointed out above Klee was 100% adamant that Lockhart didn't exist, until he changed his mind later. Also if my memory serves me correct he was also on board with the idea that the PS5 reveal would be announced around the end of feb for early March.
The way I remember it Klee never said anything about 12TF for Xbox until after the reveal and the 12TF number was out there. He always said PS5 was slightly stronger, so he then expanded his numbers to fit those 2 data points.
The bolded is an absolute fallacy. In fact both of the guys you are relying on here, have kinda given some credibility to the GitHub leak, even if they feel it's not indicative of final hardware.
it_wasn't_me
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He only gave "educated guess" that XSX is more powerful because X1X. But regarding about 15%, under that he meant that 15% difference isn't a big deal.
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Rightisright
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Another interesting point is that not only does Navi have a 1.25 efficiency gain in flops from GCN, but it also has a 1.5 x increase in performance per watt.
So you could have a 9tflop GPU with the same power usage as the Xbox One X GPU.
That means that the XSX if it's 12tflops, it will only use a third more power but doubling the tflops. I think my math is right.
So you could have a 9tflop GPU with the same power usage as the Xbox One X GPU.
That means that the XSX if it's 12tflops, it will only use a third more power but doubling the tflops. I think my math is right.
LED Guy?
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Kleegamefan was wrong about Lockhart, also Jason Schreier, Tom Warren, Matt, Digital Foundry, Windows Central and many others as well, looks like it is because Microsoft changes their plans internally so fast, they were pausing/resuming/cancelling/pausing etc etc.... you got the picture.
Klee did say that nothing has changed after the reveal of XSX's 12 TF, in fact he added that it is a bit above 12 TF, this really confirms his info being correct.
And about him stating PS5 reveal in February, well, we'll have to see about that if he is correct or not.
LED Guy?
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All of them were wrong, Kleegamefan, also Jason Schreier, Tom Warren, Matt, Digital Foundry, Windows Central and many others as well, looks like it is because Microsoft changes their plans internally so fast, they were pausing/resuming/cancelling/pausing etc etc.... you get the picture.
I bet we will get news on feb 5th.
OsirisBlack
also said 2 weeks? That is feb 5th if i remember correctly. What do you guys think?
OsirisBlack
also said 2 weeks? That is feb 5th if i remember correctly. What do you guys think?
nowhat
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Not in the first years of One they weren't!
(that was a stupid joke about not having suspend/resume at launch - not to ignite platform wars of any kind)
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Probably best not to include anything this guy has said before. He is full of shit. Not vetted and usually just piggybacks off other people's information. Time and time again he's posts have turned out to be BS.
I seriously don't get why this guy gets given the light of day in this thread.
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FranXico
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If I remember correctly, the PS4 only got suspend/resume actually working much later, didn't it?
nowhat
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Oh sure, but it didn't exist initially on the One either (and from what I've gathered, at least per DF, it can cause some performance issues more pronouncedly on One - but I digress, as stated, it was a stupid joke to begin with).
Vinex
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To everybody in here I would like to say:
1. People who are still fighting to push their narrative about the GitHub leak of the PS5 being 9.2, plz stop it, you're wasting your time & it makes you a more fanboy than a tech guy. PS5 ISN'T 9.2tf.
2. People who are still saying ps5 or the XSX is more powerful then plz stop it because they're not, both will be neck to neck in power, the differences will be within 10% & I wouldn't call that "more powerful" because it's not noticable.
3. Mark my words after the launch of these 2 consoles, this thread is going to turn into a battlefield of which console has a better looking games & which console has a better line up. This whole power arguments are gonna be vanished the day both companies reveal their specs.
4. Lastly I would like to point out for very important thing, is that you all made your decisions already on which console you are gonna buy first no matter which is the more powerful. I made my decision to buy the ps5 so idc about the power at this point & some already made their decisions to buy the XSX so these arguments about power are useless.
1. People who are still fighting to push their narrative about the GitHub leak of the PS5 being 9.2, plz stop it, you're wasting your time & it makes you a more fanboy than a tech guy. PS5 ISN'T 9.2tf.
2. People who are still saying ps5 or the XSX is more powerful then plz stop it because they're not, both will be neck to neck in power, the differences will be within 10% & I wouldn't call that "more powerful" because it's not noticable.
3. Mark my words after the launch of these 2 consoles, this thread is going to turn into a battlefield of which console has a better looking games & which console has a better line up. This whole power arguments are gonna be vanished the day both companies reveal their specs.
4. Lastly I would like to point out for very important thing, is that you all made your decisions already on which console you are gonna buy first no matter which is the more powerful. I made my decision to buy the ps5 so idc about the power at this point & some already made their decisions to buy the XSX so these arguments about power are useless.
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No DF or Windows Central never said it didn't exist, I'm not sure Of the others.
As for your scenario about why they were wrong. You made it up. No way of knowing if your opinion is correct or not.
Again Klee never said 12 until after it was reported elsewhere. He only said PS5 was stronger. So once Xbox is rumored at 12 and he says "nothing has changed"
It's not clear if he always had that 12 number or if he's always just believed the PS5 would be stronger and Xbox being 12 doesn't change that.
Typo on my part it was Klee said it was supposed to be announced in Jan and revealed in Feb.
CuriousToe
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OsirisBlack
something follows?
Rightisright
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You have a hard time understanding the difference between here say and evidence. There is a reason here say isn't allowed in court, it's unreliable.
As I pointed out in one of my posts, the same time period from when Schrier said he was hearing that the PS5 is slightly more powerful from insiders, when put back to last gen, the insiders were saying the Xbox one was going to have a twin GPU and a 16 core IBM CPU. They were also saying the Xbox was more powerful than the PS4.
Actual benchmarks of known PS5 GPUs is far more credible than the here say of Klee and the like.
For you to say the opposite really shows you to have confirmation bias.
Rightisright
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Does anyone have an idea about how much more expensive an additional 16 compute units would cost on a GPU? I think the APU historically runs around $100 in cost for a console. So the additional CUs isn't really going to make the XSX that much more expensive than the PS5 if it has 36-40 CUs, as the extra CUs as a % of what's on the APU is not that big. Maybe $20 more.
That's my guesstimate anyway.
That's my guesstimate anyway.
demigod
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Lmfao wtf is this shit. You seriously going off about court documents? Is the console out yet? Jesus your bias clearly shows. Wrongiswrong again.
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Its the hope that kills you.I bet we will get news on feb 5th.
bitbydeath
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What changes would current playstation owners like to the subscription model sony employ currently?
PSNow incorporated instead of the free games to streamline services.
Okami Haundo
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What changes would current playstation owners like to the subscription model sony employ currently?
I'd like a combo package. Game Pass Ultimate is a great value for the price. PS+ and Now in one combo would be nice.
Nikana
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I bet it's another fucking fire emblem character.I bet we will get news on feb 5th.
Rightisright
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Such a clever come back. Court documents? What court documents are you talking about? I never said anything about documents. I did say that heresay is not allowed in court because its too unreliable. In other words, Klee repeating something someone else told him is not considered accurate.
You are the one going off at people because they put more faith into REAL AMD benchmarks, of REAL PS5 GPU chips, over someone repeating what someone else (who you have no idea who that is), says.
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
For a cheap fee. Not $1 subscription but atleast like $20 per month AND access to all Sony 1st party titles on launch.
PS Pro (PS+ and PS Now) = $20 per month. Access to all Sony 1st party titles on launch
PS+ = PS Now Access to cataloged titles. No access to Sony 1st Party titles.
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Rusco Da Vino
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Question:
At this point, do MS & Sony know each others final specs?
At this point, do MS & Sony know each others final specs?
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demigod
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Stop acting like these insiders committed a crime where you need evidence in court. Your analogy was dumb to begin with. Github is not proof the product is final.
Usman was the first one to reveal navi and he says both are using big Navi. I can believe whoever I want. I'll take the insiders words over something someone found an old info of. And there's nothing you can do about it.
bitbydeath
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Their was a confirmed low-spec machine that was designed to run PS4 games (hence the matching GHZ levels) that was used to test the impact the SSD would have.
That is what was discovered.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Have to disagree on this. If they were useless, you wouldn't be discussing the very topic in a thread about next-gen consoles. What do you think people are going to predominantly discuss in such a thread?
Launch buyers, which are hardcore and some core gamers primarily, tend to factor a system's performance (power) as part of their decision in what to buy, because usually there will be games either at launch or within the first year that begin making use of it. Let alone 3rd party titles; players by and large go where 3rd party titles perform better at. Yes it was more pronounced in the past because you would get some cases of two systems having a differential of 40-50% between them (360/PS3, PS4/XBO etc.), but there will still be instances where performance differences in games will occur simply because one system has a bit more processing power versus the other.
Power obviously is not the only factor that matters for a new console: launch lineup, software & service features, social network ecosystem, marketing and pricing all play at least as equal a factor in how a system's going to do. But the vast majority of Day 1 and launch-period buyers will definitely be weighing the power between both systems as part of their decision, and depending on if a system measures up or comes up short in enough of those other areas mentioned, that affects its adoption rate. And where the hardcore and early adopters go, the mass market will follow, by and large. It's been that way with almost every other console gen, and it's not going to change now.
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