chemical boy
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I have trusted insiders, but if this month there is no presentation of ps5 I will stop believing in them. And every day that passes I see fewer options to know the console this month
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MS paid more for their APU because they used ESRAM to make up for the slow DDR3. They aren't using ESRAM this time so the above doesn't matter at all.
Guess who also creates other products with hardware from AMD? I wouldn't just assume that Sony gets a better price when Microsoft doesn't only build consoles with hardware from AMD.
Is this the big February PS5 news everyone has been eagerly anticipating? That Sony is concerned to announce the price of their console next to MS.
I'm becoming less and less optimistic about how things are going at Sony headquarters by the day.
True, cooling will not be the key price driver. That SSD on the other hand... We'll see in a couple of weeks/months
It was a smart choice, too, initially. When xbone was in the design phase, going with GDDR5 would have limited the system to 4GB of memory. The fact that GDDR5 dropped significantly in price close to launch really stung MS. With the ESRAM and that 16 channel MC configuration already baked into the APU, no last minute changes to the memory system could be made. On the flip-side it was very easy for Sony to double the chips per channel.
At any rate, future costs are built on guaranteed orders, not past success/failure. MS is investing big in Xcloud, they have untold millions of units already sold (to themselves LOL), everything gets figured in.
MS paid more for their APU because they used ESRAM to make up for the slow DDR3. They aren't using ESRAM this time so the above doesn't matter at all.
Sony also has a ton of other divisions, TV, Audio, Cameras, etc. which all use components from suppliers that are also used in the Playstation hardware, so just with that alone they are going to get a better cost on components that Microsoft can, they have way better buying/negotiating power.
Yeah, but a Pro essentially is just a PS4+, the CPU is slightly faster, so is the RAM, and the GPU a bit over double faster - but with the upcoming PS5 we are talking major differences. Not only the GPU, but especially CPU and storage speeds. Optimizing for the previous gen as well is far from trivial.
Guess who also creates other products with hardware from AMD? I wouldn't just assume that Sony gets a better price when Microsoft doesn't only build consoles with hardware from AMD.
Ahhh I dont know about that though. Sony always shoots for "elegance". That could mean a smaller form factor box closer to what is on the market now, but with need for a more expensive cooling solution even with an 8.5tf box.
Timdog got banned, I guess that's something.
... I have shared my xbox x, PS4P and PC impressions here on neogaf, and it looks like many people liked my honesty.
(Hypothetically) Even if the ESRAM was $10 of that cost then they are still paying the same amount for a ~35% slower APU.
(Hypothetically) Even if the ESRAM was $10 of that cost then they are still paying the same amount for a ~35% slower APU.
I don't think that's all PS4 Pro is capable of. If it were a new system that all the games didn't need to be playable on PS4 for I think they could accomplish a lot more. But that's ok the Pro was always just meant for some simple bumps. A PS5 exclusive would hopefully have animations, models, effects, world's, and other things not possible on PS4They are already optimizing for PS4/PS4Pro.
I have to say that statement is hilarious. Azure says hi, MS/Google/Amazon purchase 50 to 100x more tech relevant to the manufacture of a console in comparison to Sony. And that is being very generous to Sony.
Please let it RIP. I don't want to remember it.Remember the Kinect.
Remember the Kinect.
Haha, I'm reading it. I thought you could at least lurk after a Ban, but it doesn't seem to be the case given the images he posted. Funny stuff.Now Timdog is raging at Twitter. "I come in Peace" he says in his bio. lol.
. AMD isnt giving anyone a deal. Su has a fiduciary duty to get maximum price from both.
He can lurk as long as he doesn't log in.Haha, I'm reading it. I thought you could at least lurk after a Ban, but it doesn't seem to be the case given the images he posted. Funny stuff.
Also, there's no Kinect bundled. That alone was probably about 100$.
She also has a duty to maximize sales. If Microsoft (or Sony) were to present her with a great offer to buy a lot of CPU's for their own line of laptops in exchange for an additional 5% discount, she would listen.
If it's 3tf higher in performance and say only $50 more to make that would be them getting better deals I would thinkIn the Azure datacenters, does Microsoft built their servers custom themselves or are the leasing them from another manufacturer? If they had such powerful purchasing power, then why on earth are the BOM items higher than Sony's?
In the Azure datacenters, does Microsoft built their servers custom themselves or are the leasing them from another manufacturer? If they had such powerful purchasing power, then why on earth are the BOM items higher than Sony's?
If this guy isn't 12 he has some major issues. Really, it's absolutely not normal a fully evolved human does somethin like that. He needs some help and I hope he'll know that any time.Haha, I'm reading it. I thought you could at least lurk after a Ban, but it doesn't seem to be the case given the images he posted. Funny stuff.
She isnt running a corner store.
i dont see how microsoft buying off the shelf cpus and apus for laptops decreases what amd can charge ms for custom work. & why would ms tax laptop buyers to subsidise console buyers.
amd isnt going to torpedo certain customers by overcharging them to help the competition. They want successful partners on all fronts.
Do you have any source confirming that?
Because Sony just sold around 60M units more than MS in the last gen. Much better client, much better deal. This is how the market works.
But if you have inside info from AMD, please let us know.
Dell EMC is an Azure partner so for sure there are plenty of Dell hardware in MS's Datacenters.
That's how businesses work. If Microsofts offers AMD to use their processors in Surface-laptops in exchange for a small additional discount on the APU, AMD would probably be more than happy for that.
Noone is talking about overcharging. But if you're selling stuff, you'll sell it cheaper to the customer spending 2 billion, compared to the customer spending 1,5 billion. That's just how it is.
ffs, if ms wants to sell their console cheaper, they will use their enormous wealth to do so. They arent going to go to amd and haggle like they were buying chickens at a street stall.
ffs, if ms wants to sell their console cheaper, they will use their enormous wealth to do so. They arent going to go to amd and haggle like they were buying chickens at a street stall.
if you want a competitive advantage so you can root for you favourite USA World dominating trillion dollar corporation with blood on their hands to crush the competition, you only need to look at the fact they they are a world dominating Trillion dollar American corporation with ties to the cia and us military.
If MS wants to dominate, they will dominate. Might take ten years though.
That doesn't sound like it's going to be above 11TF of RDNA power. The $400 price point of the PS4 in 2013 is roughly equivalent to $450 today, and if Microsoft sells their console at a loss for $500 then expect Sony to sell their console at $500 as well, ensuring that they make $50 instead of lose $50 per console. Remember that they sold the PS4 at almost no loss. The PlayStation name alone should get the PS5 selling tons of units regardless.
More than one chip confirmed? Who knows. A bigger cooling system would need to support the APU if it's going to be 1.8-2ghz like the Github leak suggests.
That sounds like a $500 price. Not everyone will be able to afford it.
What does everyone else think about this?
and why ms tax laptop buyers? or are they getting a discount too because of discounted xbox apus? And what is in it for amd, selling all these apus for less than market price?
You will never, and I do mean never stop the doom and gloom predictions for either console. It could be 2022, with one system having somehow already sold 89 million units, and there would still be articles about "so and so if finished", "so and so is in trouble", "so and so is on the verge of closing a 2-1 gap", and countless internet users essentially screaming the same thing based on the feverish claims they make.I'm just trying to snub the whole doom and gloom about people saying Sony is in trouble because of the costly parts...I am willing to bet both consoles are using very similar components so if one of them is 'struggling on the costs' then so it the other. Everyone needs to realize that both sides are playing a chess game on the specs/pricing and neither of them want to have another PS3/X360 or PS4/XB1 pricing discrepancy again, both sides are on their game this gen so it is going to be interesting.
While alot of people fighting over the power, Naughty Dog is about to redefine triple-A with tlou part ll.
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This is pretty silly from both sides. Time to put the "who gets a better deal wars" to the side.I have to say that statement is hilarious. Azure says hi, MS/Google/Amazon purchase 50 to 100x more tech relevant to the manufacture of a console in comparison to Sony. And that is being very generous to Sony.
They seem to push it way harder this time around.They have been redefining the the triple-a since Uncharted 1.
In the Azure datacenters, does Microsoft built their servers custom themselves or are the leasing them from another manufacturer? If they had such powerful purchasing power, then why on earth are the BOM items higher than Sony's?
This is pretty silly from both sides. Time to put the "who gets a better deal wars" to the side.
So let me get this straight, people think because the parts are expensive that the machine is weak? In what world does that make sense? The machine has been rumored at $499 at a loss. Take that number and run with it. $450 would be a blessing. Specs aren't changing at this point For either machine.
Wrong. Microsoft picks a hardware vendor to provide servers and there's a range of them (HPE, Dell EMC, SuperMicro, IBM, etc.). Last I heard they selected Dell EMC for some of their deployments. If Microsoft designs and deploys their own servers they are in limited quantity... if at all. As far as leasing is concerned, a lot, and I mean a lot, of data center space Microsoft utilizes is leased. As a matter of fact, Microsoft is one of the biggest leasers of data center space. Not much different from anyone else.They don't lease anything for Azure, everything is custom designed. With that said, Azure was literally just entering initial availability when the purchase orders for xbone were being finalized. Azure has grown a lot since then.
ffs, if ms wants to sell their console cheaper, they will use their enormous wealth to do so. They arent going to go to amd and haggle like they were buying chickens at a street stall.
if you want a competitive advantage so you can root for you favourite USA World dominating trillion dollar corporation with blood on their hands to crush the competition, you only need to look at the fact they they are a world dominating Trillion dollar American corporation with ties to the cia and us military.
If MS wants to dominate, they will dominate. Might take ten years though.
Osiris any mumblings about ps5 reveal?So let me get this straight, people think because the parts are expensive that the machine is weak? In what world does that make sense? The machine has been rumored at $499 at a loss. Take that number and run with it. $450 would be a blessing. Specs aren't changing at this point For either machine.
Are you still sticking with PS5 being more powerful even after the news of MS having a higher BOM?So let me get this straight, people think because the parts are expensive that the machine is weak? In what world does that make sense? The machine has been rumored at $499 at a loss. Take that number and run with it. $450 would be a blessing. Specs aren't changing at this point For either machine.