devilNprada
Member
What's you deal man.. Not everyone has as much money as you.
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What's you deal man.. Not everyone has as much money as you.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I've been gaming on 4K TV's since 2015, and the PS4 Pro isn't 4K, but it's very nicely upscaled/checkerboarded. I'm very satisfied with PS4 Pro, but can easily see the difference on compressed youtube videos and what native 4K is. Outriders, that's being laughed at, is 100% native 4K, you can see it very clearly on the PlayStation trailers, but the gameplay seems foggy as F and most likely on current gen instead of PC. It has current gen visuals with sharper image and better draw distance like on a high-end PC.
Jtibh
Banned
And since you cant see i posted a pic of the average age of a gamer which is at 35.
What parents are willing to spend has no meaning when 70 percent of the gamers are adults in their 30s.
Jtibh
Banned
Come on man. 500 bucks is NOTHING if you quit smoking drinking going to the movies or spend it on bullshit.
And this mental case wants the new new console to be 299.
Give me a break.
EliteSmurf
Member
In 2016 the average American spent $77.60 on mobile games in 2016 and I doubt it has gone up 400 dollars plus . And not every parent has their credit card stolen by their kid .
LED Guy?
Banned
I remember Xbox fanboys were saying Xbox Series X will have Variable Rate Shading and Hardware Ray Tracing with the RDNA 2 GPU while PlayStation 5 will not have VRS and it will be based on Software RT with the RDNA 1 GPU
I mean, consoles are customized, not like PCs where they are RDNA 1 or RDNA 2, they are defined by how many features they have from such architectures, if they have VRS and Hardware RT (which both consoles have), then they are on-par with the RDNA 2 GPUs in terms of features that AMD will release in 2020, it's as simple as that.
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Jtibh
Banned
Exactly.
Only cuz their priorities are set somewhere else it doesnt mean they can just demand a low price for a new product.
Go and demand a low price for the next iphone and see what happens.
What happens is they stick to their old ones.
So do the same here too. Stick to your old system.
After all there is a transition period where most games are crossgen to ensure people dont miss out and still get to experience the latest games.
In xbox case its 2 years so plenty of time to save up or maybe luck out on a price drop.
They can also always trade in their current console and why not since the new ones are back compatible.
But instead we have a bunch of 10 year olds attacking us for saying 500 is a good price.
devilNprada
Member
Jtibh
Banned
Eh think again.
You didnt count in phone bills . Plans with data caps.
You have any idea how many kids play their free to play crap mobile game online in school and such without wifi.
Personal experience from a friend where his son racked up 600 bucks in data in one month alone. Granted lots uf you tube and other shit included.
Jtibh
Banned
No they just outsold all consoles that i was fighting my way before christmas just to get one and was out of stock all the way till february .
Ps4 i am talking about.
Or what about the wii?
LED Guy?
Banned
And also they're not stupid for creating a console that has as expensive BOM as XSX while providing a 9.2 TFs like what these Xbox fanboys have been saying, I think both will be 12 TFs at the same price and we will all be happy, why I'm saying this? Well, because Its BOM is almost as high as XSX or equal to it from the looks of things so, either...
1. They build a 9.2 TFs console then spend on a more elaborate cooling and end up with the same BOM and finally launch a console at the same price point ($500) with 30% less GPU power = very stupid move.
2. They build a 12 TFs console that costs the same as Xbox Series X = very smart move.
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farmerboy
Member
If this on 1.8tf machine, imagine what they could do with 9-11tf machine
We will be amazed.
EliteSmurf
Member
Now your just adding in external factors to suit your argument. I could also say something like you need a good 4k TV to get the best out of your next generation console so add that onto the costs . I do also believe $500 for a next generation console is a good deal but when someone is making claims that kids spend more than that on mobile games like its the norm when it isn't the case it just sounds stupid .
Jtibh
Banned
Have kids. And you will see how much you will spend on them on their phone habits.
Annualy they spend more than 500
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devilNprada
Member
I agree that $500 maybe the sweet spot. I just know too many non gamer parents that won't pay that. It may take years for my kid to have anyone to play with if home consoles become this premium product. Now If we are talking cross Gen play abilty, then yeah sky's the limit make it as expensive as you want. Their kids can play on shitty last gens it's cool.
llien
Banned
This very thread is speculating about "DUV or EUV"?
Just pointing out EUV means better results upfront, with more investment, while DUV means direct path up to 5nm.
EliteSmurf
Member
This is an article which states Parents in the US spend on average $433 per year on video game content for their children and this is including consoles which will increase it by a ton . Maybe you spend 500 dollars plus on mobile gaming content for your kids but the articles I've linked have shown this is really not the case for a lot of people and their kids.
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Jtibh
Banned
I am guessing you are not from us.
Thats ok.
The reality is different though.
But ok.
My daughter loves these disney games. Simple games. Free to play. Till you have to buy a freakin bow for your cat or some other accessory for 1.99 each.
Now i am not saying i spend anything on that crap i rather let her play spyro on the big screen.
But the point is a lot of kids will buy this and that or beg for it . Shit adds up.
New articles for the year 2020 suggest the most amount of money will be made on mobile games.
Look i am not saying you are wrong or i am right.
But if i want to compare lets say ps5 to mobile gaming.
What do kids use for mobile gaming?
What do parents buy for their kids to shut the fuck up at dinner or on the plain or at home? A freakin ipad.
How much is that ipad compared to a ps5?
Parents spend way but way more on their children than your 500 dollar console. Just in a different form.
Side note. Her gymnastics class for 8 weeks alone costs me 300.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
I personally want a 500$ console. I want a high floor, even if i dont buy it early. I need to see the games first. 100 dollars may seem like nothing. But it matters alot. In specs and consumer adoption rate.
But youre all like 'If you don't have the money, stick with the Xbox 360' poor tits.
devilNprada
Member
OH so you did buy yourself a console but let her play it... That was my point exactly...
Edit: I don't know any kid with their own iPad.. I know lots of kids that use their parents iPad.
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Jtibh
Banned
Do the math.
She is 5.
When did ps4 come out?
No i didnt buy it for her . I am a gamer for the past 36 years. As in started .
Depending on where you live, in north america lot of kids have their own ipads.
Call it bad parenting.
Forget about letting them use yours.
Its theirs ....if you want piece haha.
EliteSmurf
Member
The article I linked is talking about the average US parents if it doesn't apply to you your probably outside the average . Console gaming and mobile gaming are different as mobiles are seen as a necessity while consoles are seen as a luxury. Mobiles also can do many things that consoles can't do that are seen as more useful in day to day life its why you see people spend 1000 dollars on an iphone but not a lot of people would spend that on the ps5 . Also mobile games are mainly free so quite a few people also dont buy the in game purchases meaing they spend zilch on the actual gaming sides it self while console games mostly cost money . 600 dollars for a console isn't a lot but the mass market thinks differently than us the devoted gamers . The same mass market who have made Fortnite the most popular game in recent times . Sucks but it is reality . Shouldn't even have to explain this tbh .
Kenpachii
Member
Pic of jtibh kid
Live footage of him and his kid.
But why stop at 500 tho? why not 5000? just 1 trip less with my private airplane and it covers that easily. U don't understand man u just aren't american.
But but average gamer is 30 years old. Yea lets not focus on the other 30% that are your potentional growth and future consumers when those 30 year olds can drop out of gaming relatively easily for many reasons. Good tactic. There 30 year old club is growing so drastically they are controlling the entire console market atm and still can't outsell a market that was the PS2 in a age where gaming was a fraction of what it is now.
If you think mods here ban at your command of being offended u are on the wrong forum.
Sucks for you that u quoted the wrong one with your toxic attitude. I can play your stupid games all day long.
Live footage of him and his kid.
But why stop at 500 tho? why not 5000? just 1 trip less with my private airplane and it covers that easily. U don't understand man u just aren't american.
But but average gamer is 30 years old. Yea lets not focus on the other 30% that are your potentional growth and future consumers when those 30 year olds can drop out of gaming relatively easily for many reasons. Good tactic. There 30 year old club is growing so drastically they are controlling the entire console market atm and still can't outsell a market that was the PS2 in a age where gaming was a fraction of what it is now.
If you think mods here ban at your command of being offended u are on the wrong forum.
Sucks for you that u quoted the wrong one with your toxic attitude. I can play your stupid games all day long.
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Jtibh
Banned
Again back to the same analogy that you dont go to an audi dealer on a kia budget.
You guys are so new to this i swear. I was 13 working all sorts of shit to get a 3do. You know how expensive that shit was?
And i got one. Cuz i wanted one and worked hard for it.
Dont demand a product to be priced in your budget.
You have any idea how many clients i sent away to pound sand cuz they wanted to pay what they felt like? What am i charity?
And in no way do i think less about the less fortunate.
And if you want to hear my opinion about console and game prices well i am totaly against the prices in europe south america and other places where 500 us translates in 500 euros which is already a ripp off.
And from there it just gets worse.
I say 500 us is fair. But every other country should pay the equal amount and not a premium for some asshole reason.
Jtibh
Banned
It sad to see neogaf allow low life scums like you to be here.Pic of jtibh kid
Live footage of him and his kid.
But why stop at 500 tho? why not 5000? just 1 trip less with my private airplane and it covers that easily. U don't understand man u just aren't american.
But but average gamer is 30 years old. Yea lets not focus on the other 30% that are your potentional growth and future consumers when those 30 year olds can drop out of gaming relatively easily for many reasons. Good tactic. There 30 year old club is growing so drastically they are controlling the entire console market atm and still can't outsell a market that was the PS2 in a age where gaming was a fraction of what it is now.
Agnostic2020
Member
Guys let's move on from this boring discussion of how much money we r willing to spend .
back to the Bloomberg article ,
Now as a point of reference x1x BOM was $430 in 2017. Sony can't keep $450 for BOM. Can we trace any similarities for the choice of gpu in 2017 for 1x and choice of gpu for ps5 in 2020?
back to the Bloomberg article ,
Now as a point of reference x1x BOM was $430 in 2017. Sony can't keep $450 for BOM. Can we trace any similarities for the choice of gpu in 2017 for 1x and choice of gpu for ps5 in 2020?
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
I will share something I was preparing for for you guys .. stand by
No. Is normal move. Very smart move = 12TF and cost less or 13TF and cost this same.
jasondefaoite
Member
I know plenty with their own iPad. But so what? Your personal experience (or mine) doesn't extrapolate to the market.
Classicrockfan
Banned
I'm willing to spend two bits a gander.
geordiemp
Member
The Nintendo fans will always buy Nintendo handhelds, some multiple versions...water is wet
This has nothing to do with home consoles
pasterpl
Member
sony is not stupid, but people are! Outside gaf and "hardcore" gamers people don't care about TFlops, they care about games and what kids want. Someone explained it in this thread already that kids want what's cool, and this is not always more power. If the games look similar with main difference being lower resolution I cannot see a reason why one wouldn't decide to hit the market with the lower price without massive loss per unit(Good for shareholder). Keep in mind that probably both, Sony and MS are already planning mid gen refreshes for the new consoles.
BGs
Industry Professional
I guess this message will be one of the first to create controversy, as it is an opinion-criticism.
About prices.
I do not understand a thing.
People buy computers (for play) of thousands of euros that become obsolete after two years and update them.
Other people, or the same, are bought every year, or every two years, iPhones of thousands of euros to send messages by Whatssap.
And they are not able to buy a $ 400-500-600 console that have a life span of 6-7 years.
I understand that if you do not want to buy them then do not buy them, but what I do not understand is that many people criticize their price for being "expensive." Come on, don't f*** me.
Our youth (or our parents) paid $ 300-600 for consoles like the SNes-NeoGeo-Playstation on their way out. There were games that cost between $ 90-200 (or more) like the Dragon Ball or the Art of Fighting in their respective machines. And that without counting inflation. Now we have cheaper games and machines even sometimes without counting inflation (at least in Europe, I don't know the rest of the markets, but I think the American economy was more powerful than the European economy in the 90s. 'If I'm wrong, correct me ). We paid to have the best. We paid to have recreational at home.
I personally think that if I can pay $ 1000 for an iphone to not use it like a phone and change it at 2 years I can also pay $ 800 for a console that will last 6 years or more to play exclusive games.
Yes, right, everyone does what they want with their money, but let's be consistent with our actions and words, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but criticize the cost of that consoles I find it absurd.
It is my opinion. Do not be offended by any millennial who has not "lived" 80-90 where you had to rent the games to play everything you wanted.
I get the feeling that the current generation of people has distorted the value of everything.
"It's that a PC is more powerful, that's why it's more expensive."
Yes, but let's not forget one thing. The consoles are a closed system and are programmed for them in an exhaustive way to take advantage of their guts until their maximum expression.
On the other hand, in PC you will have the most powerful graphic card and you will have changed it before having exploited its full potential.
I understand that many people do not want to understand this, since that would mean assuming that they have wasted money (in the eyes of practical use). Many will defend the resolution and the FPS. But none will see TLOU2 (for example) work on a PC with a 1.8TF graphics card or on a $ 300 PC.
Do not take it badly, they are examples, but I think you understand what I mean.
I open the umbrella. I will accept constructive criticism opinions about it. In this or if you prefer it in another thread (according to
Mod of War
prefer).
About prices.
I do not understand a thing.
People buy computers (for play) of thousands of euros that become obsolete after two years and update them.
Other people, or the same, are bought every year, or every two years, iPhones of thousands of euros to send messages by Whatssap.
And they are not able to buy a $ 400-500-600 console that have a life span of 6-7 years.
I understand that if you do not want to buy them then do not buy them, but what I do not understand is that many people criticize their price for being "expensive." Come on, don't f*** me.
Our youth (or our parents) paid $ 300-600 for consoles like the SNes-NeoGeo-Playstation on their way out. There were games that cost between $ 90-200 (or more) like the Dragon Ball or the Art of Fighting in their respective machines. And that without counting inflation. Now we have cheaper games and machines even sometimes without counting inflation (at least in Europe, I don't know the rest of the markets, but I think the American economy was more powerful than the European economy in the 90s. 'If I'm wrong, correct me ). We paid to have the best. We paid to have recreational at home.
I personally think that if I can pay $ 1000 for an iphone to not use it like a phone and change it at 2 years I can also pay $ 800 for a console that will last 6 years or more to play exclusive games.
Yes, right, everyone does what they want with their money, but let's be consistent with our actions and words, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but criticize the cost of that consoles I find it absurd.
It is my opinion. Do not be offended by any millennial who has not "lived" 80-90 where you had to rent the games to play everything you wanted.
I get the feeling that the current generation of people has distorted the value of everything.
"It's that a PC is more powerful, that's why it's more expensive."
Yes, but let's not forget one thing. The consoles are a closed system and are programmed for them in an exhaustive way to take advantage of their guts until their maximum expression.
On the other hand, in PC you will have the most powerful graphic card and you will have changed it before having exploited its full potential.
I understand that many people do not want to understand this, since that would mean assuming that they have wasted money (in the eyes of practical use). Many will defend the resolution and the FPS. But none will see TLOU2 (for example) work on a PC with a 1.8TF graphics card or on a $ 300 PC.
Do not take it badly, they are examples, but I think you understand what I mean.
I open the umbrella. I will accept constructive criticism opinions about it. In this or if you prefer it in another thread (according to
Mod of War
prefer).Supongo que este mensaje sera uno de los primeros que cree controversia, al tratarse de una opinion-crítica. No entiendo una cosa. La gente se compra ordenadores de miles de euros que se vuelven obsoletos a los dos años y los actualizan. Otras personas, o las mismas, se compran cada año, o cada dos años, iPhones de miles de euros para enviar mensajes por Whatssap. Televisores de miles de euros para tener la ultima tecnologia. Y no son capaces de comprarse una consola de 400-500-600$ que tienen un margen de vida de 6-7 años. Yo entiendo que si no te las quieres comprar pues no te las compres, pero lo que no entiendo es que muchas personas critiquen su precio por ser "costosas". vamos, no me jodas. Nuestra juventud (o nuestros padres) pagaban 300-600$ por consolas como la SNes-NeoGeo-Playstation en su salida. Habia juegos que costaban entre 90-200$ (o mas) como el Dragon Ball o el Art of Fighting en sus respectivas maquinas. Y eso sin contar la inflacion. Ahora tenemos juegos y máquinas más baratas incluso a veces sin contar la inflacion (por lo menos en europa, no conozco el resto de mercados, pero creo que la economia americana era mas potente que la europea por los años 90'. Si me equivoco corregidme). Pagabamos por tener lo mejor. Pagábamos por tener recreativas en casa. Yo, personalmente, pienso que si yo puedo pagar 1000$ por un iphone para no usarlo de telefono y cambiarlo a los 2 años tambien puedo pagar 800$ por una consola que durara 6 años o mas. Sí, cierto, cada uno hace con su dinero lo que quiere, pero seamos consecuentes con nuestros actos y palabras, si no lo quieres no lo compres, pero criticar el coste de las consolas lo encuentro absurdo. Es mi opinión. Que no se me ofenda ningun milenial qur no haya vivido los 80-90 donde tenias que alquilar los juegos para poder jugar a todo lo que querias. Me da la sensacion de que la generacion de personas actual tiene distorsionado el valor de cada cosa.
"Es que un PC es mas potente, por eso es más costoso".
Sí, pero no olvidemos una cosa. Las consolas son un sistema cerrado y se programa para ellas de forma exhaustiva para aprovechar sus entrañas hasta su maxima expresion. En cambio en PC tendras la grafuca mas potente y te la habras cambiado antes de haber aprovechado todo su potencial. Entiendo que esto mucha gente no lo quiera entender, ya que eso supondria asumir que ha malgastado el dinero (a ojos del aprovechamiento práctico). Muchos defenderan la resolucion y los FPS. Pero ninguno vera TLOU2 funcionar en PC en una tarjeta grafica de 1.8TF o en un PC de 300$. No os lo tomeis a mal, son ejemplos, pero creo que se entiende lo que quiero decir.
"Es que un PC es mas potente, por eso es más costoso".
Sí, pero no olvidemos una cosa. Las consolas son un sistema cerrado y se programa para ellas de forma exhaustiva para aprovechar sus entrañas hasta su maxima expresion. En cambio en PC tendras la grafuca mas potente y te la habras cambiado antes de haber aprovechado todo su potencial. Entiendo que esto mucha gente no lo quiera entender, ya que eso supondria asumir que ha malgastado el dinero (a ojos del aprovechamiento práctico). Muchos defenderan la resolucion y los FPS. Pero ninguno vera TLOU2 funcionar en PC en una tarjeta grafica de 1.8TF o en un PC de 300$. No os lo tomeis a mal, son ejemplos, pero creo que se entiende lo que quiero decir.
I remember Xbox fanboys were saying Xbox Series X will have Variable Rate Shading and Hardware Ray Tracing with the RDNA 2 GPU while PlayStation 5 will not have VRS and it will be based on Software RT with the RDNA 1 GPU
I mean, consoles are customized, not like PCs where they are RDNA 1 or RDNA 2, they are defined by how many features they have from such architectures, if they have VRS and Hardware RT (which both consoles have), then they are on-par with the RDNA 2 GPUs in terms of features that AMD will release in 2020, it's as simple as that.
Have we heard any info on this vrs? I mentioned this before, but surely you'd assume with MS making a patent for their vrs, its not gonna be something that'll give a few extra fps - it would have to be a decent performance gain to warrant it?
devilNprada
Member
Sure it does we could both count them out and come up with a statistical probability that would be within two standard deviations from the whole.
Though the point before it devolved was strategic price points for the consoles. What I can't do is falsely apply my purchasing habbits/willingness/abilty to the whole. So it was technically (albeit anncdotal) evidence of what was being done.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
sorry i know you will hate me because you want any leak from anyone but I only have this .. made it for you guys
Jtibh
Banned
Live footage of him and his kid.
But why stop at 500 tho? why not 5000? just 1 trip less with my private airplane and it covers that easily. U don't understand man u just aren't american.
But but average gamer is 30 years old. Yea lets not focus on the other 30% that are your potentional growth and future consumers when those 30 year olds can drop out of gaming relatively easily for many reasons. Good tactic. There 30 year old club is growing so drastically they are controlling the entire console market atm and still can't outsell a market that was the PS2 in a age where gaming was a fraction of what it is now.
If you think mods here ban at your command of being offended u are on the wrong forum.
Sucks for you that u quoted the wrong one with your toxic attitude. I can play your stupid games all day long.
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In my proffesional life i dont let myself sink down to the level of a bottom feeder so i will do what i can do such as report your personal attacks and let mod of war decide about the outcome.
Wait and see i guess.
gamerforever
Banned
I think it has to be less than £450 at launch to succeed. I would happily pay £1000 for a powerful ps5 at launch, but i am a gamer who frequents gaming forums. Most gamers aren't as hardcore and want value for money. If xbox is over £400 at launch its doa imo, especially as they are far behind sony. Sony can afford to go up to £450 as they have millions of gamers backing them and are a worldwide brand, whereas xbox isn't.
TLZ
Banned
What I'm saying is if it's 9tf it should be 399. 12tf would mean a 499 price minimum surely. 9tf for 499 isn't acceptable.
Also, we don't all live in the US. Exchange rate plus shipping and tax would mean a 499 console would cost us au$800 here. That's frickin nuts!
Darius87
Member
Agnostic2020
Member
MilkyJoe
Member
TLZ
Banned
They never had a throne. A throne of lies maybe.
MilkyJoe
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Jtibh
Banned
And so read my comment where i state its insulting that a 500 us dollar console translates into 500 euro or 800 au and so on.
All countries should charge the exact exchange rate for same product.
Therefor i understand how people outside north america are worried about the 100 difference as for them that 100 turns into 200 at the end of the day.
TLZ
Banned
This is my 2 cents
PS4 BOM was $381
Sony sold it for $399, approximately $20 more than BOM
If PS5 BOM is $450
If they go with the same strategy sell it for $20 more than BOM it would be $470
I assume Microsoft will go all out and sell the Series X at $499 and continue their premium and most powerful marketing they have had with One X.
This time I think Xbox will be more powerful, they chased Kinect with Xbox One and Sony lucked out with GDDR5, I think Microsoft is more prepared now.
I think Sony will take a hit and price the PS5 depending on Xbox Lockhart. If there is no Lockhart Sony will target $450 with PS5 to get the jump on Series X by a small $50. However if Lockhart does exist and is priced at $350-$399 I think Sony will price the PS5 as $399. They will take a extra hit of $70 in comparison to PS4 when that launched. However I feel Sony would be more comfortable to take a bigger hit this time around due to the success of PSN making them tons of money as well as digital sales rising where they take a bigger cut than retail sales. My other prediction is if there is a off chance of Series X being $550-$599 Sony will go $499 for PS5 as long as Lockhart don't exist.
PS4 BOM was $381
Sony sold it for $399, approximately $20 more than BOM
If PS5 BOM is $450
If they go with the same strategy sell it for $20 more than BOM it would be $470
I assume Microsoft will go all out and sell the Series X at $499 and continue their premium and most powerful marketing they have had with One X.
This time I think Xbox will be more powerful, they chased Kinect with Xbox One and Sony lucked out with GDDR5, I think Microsoft is more prepared now.
I think Sony will take a hit and price the PS5 depending on Xbox Lockhart. If there is no Lockhart Sony will target $450 with PS5 to get the jump on Series X by a small $50. However if Lockhart does exist and is priced at $350-$399 I think Sony will price the PS5 as $399. They will take a extra hit of $70 in comparison to PS4 when that launched. However I feel Sony would be more comfortable to take a bigger hit this time around due to the success of PSN making them tons of money as well as digital sales rising where they take a bigger cut than retail sales. My other prediction is if there is a off chance of Series X being $550-$599 Sony will go $499 for PS5 as long as Lockhart don't exist.
TLZ
Banned
The difference my friend is that Sony/Nintendo/MS make millions of consoles and thus can get components for much much cheaper. This allows them the ability to price their devices cheaper. With PCs this isn't the case. Whether you build or buy prebuilt you're still buying components at a much higher retail price. That's the beauty of consoles.I guess this message will be one of the first to create controversy, as it is an opinion-criticism.
About prices.
I do not understand a thing.
People buy computers (for play) of thousands of euros that become obsolete after two years and update them.
Other people, or the same, are bought every year, or every two years, iPhones of thousands of euros to send messages by Whatssap.
And they are not able to buy a $ 400-500-600 console that have a life span of 6-7 years.
I understand that if you do not want to buy them then do not buy them, but what I do not understand is that many people criticize their price for being "expensive." Come on, don't f*** me.
Our youth (or our parents) paid $ 300-600 for consoles like the SNes-NeoGeo-Playstation on their way out. There were games that cost between $ 90-200 (or more) like the Dragon Ball or the Art of Fighting in their respective machines. And that without counting inflation. Now we have cheaper games and machines even sometimes without counting inflation (at least in Europe, I don't know the rest of the markets, but I think the American economy was more powerful than the European economy in the 90s. 'If I'm wrong, correct me ). We paid to have the best. We paid to have recreational at home.
I personally think that if I can pay $ 1000 for an iphone to not use it like a phone and change it at 2 years I can also pay $ 800 for a console that will last 6 years or more to play exclusive games.
Yes, right, everyone does what they want with their money, but let's be consistent with our actions and words, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but criticize the cost of that consoles I find it absurd.
It is my opinion. Do not be offended by any millennial who has not "lived" 80-90 where you had to rent the games to play everything you wanted.
I get the feeling that the current generation of people has distorted the value of everything.
"It's that a PC is more powerful, that's why it's more expensive."
Yes, but let's not forget one thing. The consoles are a closed system and are programmed for them in an exhaustive way to take advantage of their guts until their maximum expression.
On the other hand, in PC you will have the most powerful graphic card and you will have changed it before having exploited its full potential.
I understand that many people do not want to understand this, since that would mean assuming that they have wasted money (in the eyes of practical use). Many will defend the resolution and the FPS. But none will see TLOU2 (for example) work on a PC with a 1.8TF graphics card or on a $ 300 PC.
Do not take it badly, they are examples, but I think you understand what I mean.
I open the umbrella. I will accept constructive criticism opinions about it. In this or if you prefer it in another thread (according to
Supongo que este mensaje sera uno de los primeros que cree controversia, al tratarse de una opinion-crítica. No entiendo una cosa. La gente se compra ordenadores de miles de euros que se vuelven obsoletos a los dos años y los actualizan. Otras personas, o las mismas, se compran cada año, o cada dos años, iPhones de miles de euros para enviar mensajes por Whatssap. Televisores de miles de euros para tener la ultima tecnologia. Y no son capaces de comprarse una consola de 400-500-600$ que tienen un margen de vida de 6-7 años. Yo entiendo que si no te las quieres comprar pues no te las compres, pero lo que no entiendo es que muchas personas critiquen su precio por ser "costosas". vamos, no me jodas. Nuestra juventud (o nuestros padres) pagaban 300-600$ por consolas como la SNes-NeoGeo-Playstation en su salida. Habia juegos que costaban entre 90-200$ (o mas) como el Dragon Ball o el Art of Fighting en sus respectivas maquinas. Y eso sin contar la inflacion. Ahora tenemos juegos y máquinas más baratas incluso a veces sin contar la inflacion (por lo menos en europa, no conozco el resto de mercados, pero creo que la economia americana era mas potente que la europea por los años 90'. Si me equivoco corregidme). Pagabamos por tener lo mejor. Pagábamos por tener recreativas en casa. Yo, personalmente, pienso que si yo puedo pagar 1000$ por un iphone para no usarlo de telefono y cambiarlo a los 2 años tambien puedo pagar 800$ por una consola que durara 6 años o mas. Sí, cierto, cada uno hace con su dinero lo que quiere, pero seamos consecuentes con nuestros actos y palabras, si no lo quieres no lo compres, pero criticar el coste de las consolas lo encuentro absurdo. Es mi opinión. Que no se me ofenda ningun milenial qur no haya vivido los 80-90 donde tenias que alquilar los juegos para poder jugar a todo lo que querias. Me da la sensacion de que la generacion de personas actual tiene distorsionado el valor de cada cosa.
"Es que un PC es mas potente, por eso es más costoso".
Sí, pero no olvidemos una cosa. Las consolas son un sistema cerrado y se programa para ellas de forma exhaustiva para aprovechar sus entrañas hasta su maxima expresion. En cambio en PC tendras la grafuca mas potente y te la habras cambiado antes de haber aprovechado todo su potencial. Entiendo que esto mucha gente no lo quiera entender, ya que eso supondria asumir que ha malgastado el dinero (a ojos del aprovechamiento práctico). Muchos defenderan la resolucion y los FPS. Pero ninguno vera TLOU2 funcionar en PC en una tarjeta grafica de 1.8TF o en un PC de 300$. No os lo tomeis a mal, son ejemplos, pero creo que se entiende lo que quiero decir.
With phones I believe they sell at much higher profit margins and people eat it up. I guess most probably the excuse there is that your phone does a lot of things; phone calls, chat, portable internet, games, awesome camera, GPS, portable TV and so on.
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