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[Sussoloc]

However if Lockhart does exist and is priced at $350-$399 I think Sony will price the PS5 as $399. They will take a extra hit of $70 in comparison to PS4 when that launched.

Exactly what i think. If Sony gets sandviched, they have to undercut Anaconda.

 

[Agnostic2020]

This is my 2 cents

PS4 BOM was $381
Sony sold it for $399, approximately $20 more than BOM

If PS5 BOM is $450
If they go with the same strategy sell it for $20 more than BOM it would be $470

I assume Microsoft will go all out and sell the Series X at $499 and continue their premium and most powerful marketing they have had with One X.

This time I think Xbox will be more powerful, they chased Kinect with Xbox One and Sony lucked out with GDDR5, I think Microsoft is more prepared now.

I think Sony will take a hit and price the PS5 depending on Xbox Lockhart. If there is no Lockhart Sony will target $450 with PS5 to get the jump on Series X by a small $50. However if Lockhart does exist and is priced at $350-$399 I think Sony will price the PS5 as $399. They will take a extra hit of $70 in comparison to PS4 when that launched. However I feel Sony would be more comfortable to take a bigger hit this time around due to the success of PSN making them tons of money as well as digital sales rising where they take a bigger cut than retail sales. My other prediction is if there is a off chance of Series X being $550-$599 Sony will go $499 for PS5 as long as Lockhart don't exist.

Your whole numbers are flawed because Sony was taking around 50$ loss on ps4. 380 was bom . You need to add shipping , manufacturing, retailers cut to it .

with ps5, they can't keep BOM at 450 so they ll end up around 470 let's say and add these costs on top of BOM and ps5 is around 550$ . So at 499 they will be taking 50$ loss already .

 

[TLZ]

Do you need a nap?

Soon™

 

[Mass Shift]

I think it has to be less than £450 at launch to succeed. I would happily pay £1000 for a powerful ps5 at launch, but i am a gamer who frequents gaming forums. Most gamers aren't as hardcore and want value for money. If xbox is over £400 at launch its doa imo, especially as they are far behind sony. Sony can afford to go up to £450 as they have millions of gamers backing them and are a worldwide brand, whereas xbox isn't.

I'm glad Sony doesn't think that way. They seem to be very carefully considering their pricing strategy and watching MS' efforts and ambitions for the next gen with serious regard.

As they should. Sure we'll see plenty of bluffs from Sony and MS, but neither will be thumbing their nose at the other.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I don't have disposable income, I'm not a millionaire, just a simple spoon salesman. I'm married, mortgage, 3.5 year old girl etc...

But I've got no problem dropping £500 on these things, day one, for both. I'm not waiting out a year just incase they drop it £20.

People have to remember that these things are going to be damn good machines, yes, even the paltry 16 generation old slow weak sauce 9.2tf PS5.Sit down, joke, chill out Sony tits.

So what you're getting is bloody fantastic. Plus as said, this thing will last you half a decade at the very least.

You can't just compare them to phones you have for a year because now the standard time you have a phone is two years, and even then, you pay monthly on your contract.

But I CAN compare it to other things. I just dropped £700 on a new bed for my daughter, which she will undoubtably destroy within a week because she's a freak of nature and is a clear foot taller than anybody else in her nursery. I spent £3k on a holiday for us all recently that lasted a week. Hell I spent £200 for some dodgy guy to come around and wallpaper our stairs.

£500 is pennies for what you get.

It's the age old discussion for us too of price vs enjoyment. Disregard the spec difference, because to me, spec means bugger all compared to the experience. You go to the cinema, and pay £15+£15 for tickets and then another £25 for food and drink, this lasts like 2 hours. So for 2 hours fun I just paid £55... which is crazy BAD value. (Hell, I build my own computers every time, you want to talk bad value for money!)

What you get from these machines is waaaaaaay better value. I understand people may not be in the position to have both, or even one, and taking the piss out of these people is a bit sad really. Not everybody has the same financial status, some people here are actual KIDS, without a job even. That's a totally different discussion.

But £500 it's a steal for what you are getting. They could quite easily charge more, even. The problem they have is charging enough to keep it going while not too much that they price themselves out of the market. And this is totally out of my realm of expertise haha. If it was me, I would take a big loss on the hardware, and sell that 12tf Xbox at £399.99 knowing I would make up the loss in other areas. But then, there's a reason I'm not running a multi million dollar business

 

[darkinstinct]

I'm glad Sony doesn't think that way. They seem to be very carefully considering their pricing strategy and watching MS' efforts and ambitions for the next gen with serious regard.

As they should. Sure we'll see plenty of bluffs from Sony and MS, but neither will be thumbing their nose at the other.

People laughed in 2013 when it was suggested that Sony based their pricing on Xbox. Guess they were wrong and the two SKU strategy is Microsofts response to that.

 

[Agnostic2020]

People laughed in 2013 when it was suggested that Sony based their pricing on Xbox. Guess they were wrong and the two SKU strategy is Microsofts response to that.

yea but two sku strategy also has a chance of backfiring if PS5 is close to XSX in specs yet the price is between XSX and XSS. not saying that's what's gonna happen but 2 strategy is not as fool proof as people think.

 

[darkinstinct]

One of the more reliable XBox insiders has also already confirmed RDNA rather than RDNA2 (RT not withstanding).

He is not an insider. All he could ever prove is that he was in some way connected to GDC and able to produce information out of that, but not regarding future "leaks" he did. I'd take what he says with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well like I got an LG LED that says 4k but the Pro says it isn't a 4k display. When I take it downstairs and put it on my OLED it's 4k and the pro says so. There must he some workaround

You need an HDMI 2.0, the Pro doesn't support 2.1. Don't use older cable as it might be 1.4.

There are some settings to get the full support from both the TV and your PS4 Pro. This video might be useful for you, for my Sony DX70 only port 2 and 3 support HDR and full color gamut, you should as well enable it inside the tv for some:

 

[darkinstinct]

yea but two sku strategy also has a chance of backfiring if PS5 is close to XSX in specs yet the price is between XSX and XSS. not saying that's what's gonna happen but 2 strategy is not as fool proof as people think.

If the two are close in power they will be priced the same. There's no fairy tale, it is what it is. PS5 is either close in power to XSX and equally far away from XSS price or they are weaker and between XSS and XSX. Unless of course the two SKUs are only a tactic and Microsoft intends to hide that they want to launch a 12 TF console at 399 and call it a day. It would be a bold move, like Sony did in 2013.

 

[SgtCaffran]

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The difference my friend is that Sony/Nintendo/MS make millions of consoles and thus can get components for much much cheaper. This allows them the ability to price their devices cheaper. With PCs this isn't the case. Whether you build or buy prebuilt you're still buying components at a much higher retail price. That's the beauty of consoles.

With phones I believe they sell at much higher profit margins and people eat it up. I guess most probably the excuse there is that your phone does a lot of things; phone calls, chat, portable internet, games, awesome camera, GPS, portable TV and so on.

I think you completely missed his point but you are not wrong with the stated info.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Eh think again.
You didnt count in phone bills . Plans with data caps.
You have any idea how many kids play their free to play crap mobile game online in school and such without wifi.
Personal experience from a friend where his son racked up 600 bucks in data in one month alone. Granted lots uf you tube and other shit included.

That's why if parents think that mobile gaming is cheaper for them they should think twice, as more than likely they'll break their phones from time to time compared to static consoles.

 

[KAL2006]

Your whole numbers are flawed because Sony was taking around 50$ loss on ps4. 380 was bom . You need to add shipping , manufacturing, retailers cut to it .

with ps5, they can't keep BOM at 450 so they ll end up around 470 let's say and add these costs on top of BOM and ps5 is around 550$ . So at 499 they will be taking 50$ loss already .

Yes I know that already. PS4 was sold at a loss, the idea of my post is to compare it to PS4. If they went for the exact same amount of money they want to lose as PS4 they will sell PS5 at $470. No where did I say PS4 wasn't sold at a loss. As $470 is such a odd number they can go up to $499 to make less loss than PS4, or they can go down to $450 or $399 to make more loss than PS4 but I think they can afford to as PSN Plus is making them alot of money as well as digital sales going up with better cut for Sony than retail. With PS4 Sony wasn't prepared to take a big loss after PS3 disaster but I think they are in a better position to take a bigger loss this time around. However as Sony have already stated their pricing strategy will be down to how Xbox prices their products as they have 2 systems Anaconda and Lockhart. If Series X is 20-25 percent more powerful they will want to undercut them especially how successful PS4 was under undercutting Xbox One. Also let's remember PS4 sells way more than PS4 Pro.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Now your just adding in external factors to suit your argument. I could also say something like you need a good 4k TV to get the best out of your next generation console so add that onto the costs . I do also believe $500 for a next generation console is a good deal but when someone is making claims that kids spend more than that on mobile games like its the norm when it isn't the case it just sounds stupid .

You might not think it's the norm, and it might be, but check how much money Epic Games is making from that "free" game.

 

[Sussoloc]

And if a Lockhart does really exist, imo this thing won't print money, it will be a nice product nothing more, like the Xbox One All Digital.

Depends on the price. A 6-7 TF Lockhart for 299 would attract many casuals, i guarantee you that. You can't compare a late gen console to a starting console. The starting price matters most.

 

[KAL2006]

Depends on the price. A 6-7 TF Lockhart for 299 would attract many casuals, i guarantee you that. You can't compare a late gen console to a starting console. The starting price matters most.

Lockhart is a genius idea, alot of people don't care about 4K at all, they just want to play games. I know many people with screens as big as 32 inch and they are not sitting up that close to the TV. 1080p to 4K is a huge money sink so it's a great idea to make a system around 1080p without losing other graphical capabilities or features like SSD. As for it being $299 I really doubt it would be that cheap. Lockhart will be $350 the lowest. I think the only ready MS are making Lockhart is because they are going all out with Series X by being a $499 to $550 system.

 

[Sussoloc]

Lockhart is a genius idea, alot of people don't care about 4K at all, they just want to play games. I know many people with screens as big as 32 inch and they are not sitting up that close to the TV. 1080p to 4K is a huge money sink so it's a great idea to make a system around 1080p without losing other graphical capabilities or features like SSD. As for it being $299 I really doubt it would be that cheap. Lockhart will be $350 the lowest. I think the only ready MS are making Lockhart is because they are going all out with Series X by being a $499 to $550 system.

This. 90% of my friends still have a 1080p tv. If Microsoft goes all in with Lockhart and it has no 4k drive i think 299 would be possible. Would be more than enough for casuals and their Fifa/COD/BF/Fortnite and stuff.

I would love to see what happens if we had a 299 6TF Lockhart, a 399 9TF PS5 and a 499 12TF Series X.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

What I'm saying is if it's 9tf it should be 399. 12tf would mean a 499 price minimum surely. 9tf for 499 isn't acceptable.

Also, we don't all live in the US. Exchange rate plus shipping and tax would mean a 499 console would cost us au$800 here. That's frickin nuts!

Wow, that's even worse there then. First 2 years I expect like $70 more in the price of PS5. I remember the Switch when it came it was way more expensive that XOX and PS4 Pro! At around $610 USD. Now it sits around $300.

 

[DrDamn]

I thought it was rdna2... at least that's what everyone says. Has To be for that many cu etc

What clearly defines RDNA2 from RDNA1 though? If MS use their own patented VRS techniques is that RDNA2? Just because AMD don't produce an RDNA1 PC card with the same number of CUs as in PS5 or XSX does that make them RDNA2?

MS state next-gen RDNA in the specs, but RDNA2 has a name AMD have already given it, it's RDNA2 - so why don't MS use that if that's what it is?

I remember Xbox fanboys were saying Xbox Series X will have Variable Rate Shading and Hardware Ray Tracing with the RDNA 2 GPU while PlayStation 5 will not have VRS and it will be based on Software RT with the RDNA 1 GPU

I mean, consoles are customized, not like PCs where they are RDNA 1 or RDNA 2, they are defined by how many features they have from such architectures, if they have VRS and Hardware RT (which both consoles have), then they are on-par with the RDNA 2 GPUs in terms of features that AMD will release in 2020, it's as simple as that.

I think both are hybrid, obviously some features that RDNA2 has like RT and VRS but not necessarily done in the same way RDNA2 does it.

He is not an insider. All he could ever prove is that he was in some way connected to GDC and able to produce information out of that, but not regarding future "leaks" he did. I'd take what he says with a huge grain of salt.

All insiders need grains of salt, some only start being taken when they say something people don't want to hear though...

 

[nikolino840]

Lockhart is a genius idea, alot of people don't care about 4K at all, they just want to play games. I know many people with screens as big as 32 inch and they are not sitting up that close to the TV. 1080p to 4K is a huge money sink so it's a great idea to make a system around 1080p without losing other graphical capabilities or features like SSD. As for it being $299 I really doubt it would be that cheap. Lockhart will be $350 the lowest. I think the only ready MS are making Lockhart is because they are going all out with Series X by being a $499 to $550 system.

There's no Lockhart...only Zuul


Phil Spencer said there's no two consoles

 

[The Shift]

£500 is pennies for what you get.

My phone carrier partners with Microsoft to deploy the Xbox All Access program.

What that means is I can add a monthly payment to my mobile phone plan for an SX console when it's available - no $749.00 outlay for the up front purchase (PS5/SX will probably be close to that price here in Australia).

I have Game Pass Ultimate for another 18 or so months or so I'm good for games.

This is an insanely convenient and very enticing deal for current and new users.

 

[Captain Hero]

There's no Lockhart...only Zuul


Phil Spencer said there's no two consoles

really ?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

This. 90% of my friends still have a 1080p tv. If Microsoft goes all in with Lockhart and it has no 4k drive i think 299 would be possible. Would be more than enough for casuals and their Fifa/COD/BF/Fortnite and stuff.

I would love to see what happens if we had a 299 6TF Lockhart, a 399 9TF PS5 and a 499 12TF Series X.

Do people still take 1080p TV's serious? 4K TV's are pretty cheap if you wanna pick something good for the price, or probably our market is flooded with Chinese and cheaper TV's along with the premiums, and they're good if you don't wanna go premium. You can buy a NIKAI 75" 4K for like $800-700, you can find small 4K TV's as cheap as $300 from "LG" with a size of 55". The smaller you go the cheaper indeed, but I think most homes around here are taking 55" as the bare minimum, and more pick cheaper brands made in China, India, or even locally and they aren't bad but not perfect for hardcore gamers and have game mode in them. (1 OMR = $2.6USD)

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[Sussoloc]

Phil Spencer said there's no two consoles

And Sony said they don't want crossplay, EA Access, BC and a 4k drive. Bu here we go.

Do people still take 1080p TV's serious? 4K TV's are pretty cheap if you wanna pick something good for the price, or probably our market is flooded with Chinese and cheaper TV's along with the premiums, and they're good if you don't wanna go premium. You can buy a NIKAI 75" 4K for like $800-700, you can find small 4K TV's as cheap as $300 from "LG" with a size of 55". The smaller you go the cheaper indeed, but I think most homes around here are taking 55" as the bare minimum, and more pick cheaper brands made in China, India, or even locally and they aren't but, not perfect for hardcore gamers but not bad and have game mode in them. (1 OMR = $2.6USD)

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They don't take them, i don't think they are made sold anymore. People just don't see the need to replace them. 4k tvs are cheap, right, but the cheap Tvs mosty suck. HDR is a joke, because auf low brighness, input lag mostly too high, no 100hz, no hdmi 2.1 more grey than black and so on. For a good 4k Tv you still have to spend some bucks. Also people who like smaller tvs or sit far away from it don't really benefit from a 4k tv.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

My phone carrier partners with Microsoft to deploy the Xbox All Access program.

What that means is I can add a monthly payment to my mobile phone plan for an SX console when it's available - no $749.00 outlay for the up front purchase (PS5/SX will probably be close to that price here in Australia).

I have Game Pass Ultimate for another 18 or so months or so I'm good for games.

This is an insanely convenient and very enticing deal for current and new users.

You can probably have any electronics/phones with monthly payments directly from the shop by most banks here, except mine . Especially if you wanna bundle it with a TV. I do prefer paying up front anyway if I can afford it. My friend just got a 55" LG B9 for 24-monthly-payment making it all-in-one usage TV (PC, console, general tv usage) as I do.

 

[nikolino840]

really ?

About Zuul?


Yeah this Is the Spencer quote


"Last year we said consoles, and we've shipped a console and we've now detailed another console. I think that's plural."


In another interview he said also

Phil Spencer: Will I say I'm not doing something? We're focused on Project Scarlett and delivering a high performance console. There's no doubt about that. I will never remove options for us. When we launched Xbox One, would I have predicted S would have come? Or X would have come? Or the All-Digital edition would have come, which frankly is doing well, which is good to see. We also did just ship the development kit, which is another console

 

[Agnostic2020]

If the two are close in power they will be priced the same. There's no fairy tale, it is what it is. PS5 is either close in power to XSX and equally far away from XSS price or they are weaker and between XSS and XSX. Unless of course the two SKUs are only a tactic and Microsoft intends to hide that they want to launch a 12 TF console at 399 and call it a day. It would be a bold move, like Sony did in 2013.

you contradicted your own point in one post. lol sony cant take a loss yet MS will take loss and sell XSX for 399 if lockhart doesn't exist?yea this could happen as well . also sony can undercut the price of XSX even if they are close in power with XSx . remove the MS goggles and you see everything is possible

 

[Bo_Hazem]

And Sony said they don't want crossplay, EA Access, BC and a 4k drive. Bu here we go.


They don't take them, i don't think they are made sold anymore. People just don't see the need to replace them. 4k tvs are cheap, right, but the cheap Tvs mosty suck. HDR is a joke, because auf low brighness, input lag mostly too high, no 100hz, no hdmi 2.1 more grey than black and so on. For a good 4k Tv you still have to spend some bucks. Also people who like smaller tvs or sit far away from it don't really benefit from a 4k tv.

If you're seeking perfection, then perfection has its price, I guess. You can still get a "decent" 4K HDR TV below $500 mark, like this one (58"):

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[Bo_Hazem]

so can sony undercutting the price of XSX even if they are close in power

That's the most probable scenario, Sony is going to be close/more powerful and still undercut the Xbox to make it look like a joke.

 

[Agnostic2020]

That's the most probable scenario, Sony is going to be close/more powerful and still undercut the Xbox to make it look like a joke.

I wouldn't say joke as XSX isnt a joke what so ever .lets not fall into warrior fights haha.

It's just gaming is much more important to sony than it is to MS. if we believe the bloomberg article , sony is canceling the launch of one cameras to make sure PS5 launch goes smoothly and is not supply constraint for parts. that shows you how important PS is to Sony.

 

[chemical boy]

Lockhart is a genius idea, alot of people don't care about 4K at all, they just want to play games. I know many people with screens as big as 32 inch and they are not sitting up that close to the TV. 1080p to 4K is a huge money sink so it's a great idea to make a system around 1080p without losing other graphical capabilities or features like SSD. As for it being $299 I really doubt it would be that cheap. Lockhart will be $350 the lowest. I think the only ready MS are making Lockhart is because they are going all out with Series X by being a $499 to $550 system.

That is nothing more than an excuse to justify something that is not necessary. If so little people care about the power and graphics, MS is going to get all its games on all their devices, they already have Xbox One X if they want 1080p or Xbox One if they don't care about the resolution. Lockhart is not necessary at all. Good marketing attempt, they don't fool me.

 

[Smoke6]

I wouldn't say joke as XSX isnt a joke what so ever .lets not fall into warrior fights haha.

It's just gaming is much more important to sony than it is to MS. if we believe the bloomberg article , sony is canceling the launch of one cameras to make sure PS5 launch goes smoothly and is not supply constraint for parts. that shows you how important PS is to Sony.

So what insider have Xbox specs that you trust? Or are you basing this off of something else like the quote "the next Xbox will be 2X more powerful"?

 

[Gamernyc78]

Bear in mind that a lot of console sales come from parents buying kids consoles who would prefer a cheaper product for a non-essential item not like a lot of people in this thread who could easily buy a $500 console for themselves and are devoted gamers.

That's not the majority of sales anymore. Stats have shown the average gamer is an adult in their 20's and 30's lol

 

[Neo Blaster]

People trolling for their "FIVE" minutes of glory on teh Net. I don't think I have seen anything towards Microsoft of this magnitude lol.

Well, some write ad catch phrases, others write poems and meltdowns.

 

[KAL2006]

Do people still take 1080p TV's serious? 4K TV's are pretty cheap if you wanna pick something good for the price, or probably our market is flooded with Chinese and cheaper TV's along with the premiums, and they're good if you don't wanna go premium. You can buy a NIKAI 75" 4K for like $800-700, you can find small 4K TV's as cheap as $300 from "LG" with a size of 55". The smaller you go the cheaper indeed, but I think most homes around here are taking 55" as the bare minimum, and more pick cheaper brands made in China, India, or even locally and they aren't bad but not perfect for hardcore gamers and have game mode in them. (1 OMR = $2.6USD)

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Buy TV Online with best offers and get home delivery across Oman. Find great deals on TV when shopping online with LuLu Hypermarket Oman

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For example this one is made by the same LULU company so it's cheap:

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It's not about not having 4K TVs lots of people just don't give a shit about outputting a native 4K content on their TVs. People are happy with 1080p content on their 40 inch TVs that they are not close to.

The main argument I have is the cost saving from 1080p to 4K for a console. The cost for extra power just for resolution. There are a ton of people who are happy with 1080p as long as it has next gen graphics, like improved lighting, more enemies on screen, better textures, SSD loading etc, just everything at a lower resolution. There are people who still buy a PS4 over a Pro or a One S over a 1X. When last gen gets phased out those same people will want to play the latest COD, GTA that can't run on last gen system but they just want to be able to play these games on the cheapest console. Microsoft taking advantage of this witch Lockhart is a great idea.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Account from 2018 with 26 posts comes in here to spread wise words.
Alt account classic

Matter of fact, he's right.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I see this thread has returned full circle once again with the circle jerk, ninjas and concerned trolls

PS5 will be 5tf lol smfh and will cost 700 bcus parts blah blah bs

 

[Agnostic2020]

So what insider have Xbox specs that you trust? Or are you basing this off of something else like the quote "the next Xbox will be 2X more powerful"?

i dont know what does that have anything to what i said but i believe XSX is around 12 Navi TF(11.7TF to 12.1TF RDNA)

 

[KAL2006]

That is nothing more than an excuse to justify something that is not necessary. If so little people care about the power and graphics, MS is going to get all its games on all their devices, they already have Xbox One X if they want 1080p or Xbox One if they don't care about the resolution. Lockhart is not necessary at all. Good marketing attempt, they don't fool me.

Lockhart it something that would be around until the very end of next gen. Last gen systems like Xbox One and PS4 will be eventually phased out. The latest COD and GTA wouldn't be running on PS4 and One S. They would be running on Lockhart as that has a next gen CPU and SSD for game design to take advantage of those things but at a resolution of 1080p. Don't get me wrong we will get cross gen games for a year or 2 but those systems will have less support eventually.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I assume people live within their needs and not beg corporations to give them freebies cuz of their financial situation.
Save up work hard dont be a hippie looser who is looking for hand outs.

Its not like they sell us a 200 dollar product for 500. Its more like selling a 600 dollar product for 500.

I am not going to an audi dealership on a kia budget and tell them i expect you to sell this a4 for 15k.

That's not the point, it's your assumption. To think everyone can afford a $500 console is preposterous.

 

[TLZ]

My phone carrier partners with Microsoft to deploy the Xbox All Access program.

What that means is I can add a monthly payment to my mobile phone plan for an SX console when it's available - no $749.00 outlay for the up front purchase (PS5/SX will probably be close to that price here in Australia).

I have Game Pass Ultimate for another 18 or so months or so I'm good for games.

This is an insanely convenient and very enticing deal for current and new users.

Hmm. Yes I have Telstra doing this. I'm guessing you're on the same ISP? Not a bad idea. Hmm..

If the consoles are worth it day one, I might opt for Zippay then.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's not about not having 4K TVs lots of people just don't give a shit about outputting a native 4K content on their TVs. People are happy with 1080p content on their 40 inch TVs that they are not close to.

The main argument I have is the cost saving from 1080p to 4K for a console. The cost for extra power just for resolution. There are a ton of people who are happy with 1080p as long as it has next gen graphics, like improved lighting, more enemies on screen, better textures, SSD loading etc, just everything at a lower resolution. There are people who still buy a PS4 over a Pro or a One S over a 1X. When last gen gets phased out those same people will want to play the latest COD, GTA that can't run on last gen system but they just want to be able to play these games on the cheapest console. Microsoft taking advantage of this witch Lockhart is a great idea.

Just resolution? So if I ask you to watch all content on youtube only at 480p instead of 1080p, how does that sound? Resolution is a HUGE part of graphics. I can notice the difference between 8K vs 4K meters away, you should try checking a tv store if you haven't for a long time. The difference between 1080p and 4K is massive, that's why many PS4 Pro + Xbox One X aren't 100% satisfied. Is it the biggest market? No, but PS4 Pro have sold at least 40-50% of what Xbox have sold with all consoles combined (FAT+SAD+X+S). If you got a PS4 Pro or XOX and still gaming on a 1080p you're missing "A LOT". If you're upgrading to next gen and sticking to a 1080p TV then that's just wasted potential . But you gotta do what you like at the end of the day. Enjoy.

Just a reminder, 1080p is only 2.1 megapixels, 4K is only 8.5 MP. With 8K it'll be hard to differentiate between video stills and photos at 33.2MP! Assuming the content is there anyway.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Microsoft may take back their throne.

Microsoft and throne in the same sentence?

 

[Gamernyc78]

Microsoft and throne in the same sentence?

When did this ever happen? Some ppl bro, I tell you live in their own la la land bubble.

 

[KAL2006]

Just resolution? So if I ask you to watch all content on youtube only at 480p instead of 1080p, how does that sound? Resolution is a HUGE part of graphics. I can notice the difference between 8K vs 4K meters away, you should try checking a tv store if you haven't for a long time. The difference between 1080p and 4K is massive, that's why many PS4 Pro + Xbox One X aren't 100% satisfied. Is it the biggest market? No, but PS4 Pro have sold at least 40-50% of what Xbox have sold with all consoles combined (FAT+SAD+X+S). If you got a PS4 Pro or XOX and still gaming on a 1080p you're missing "A LOT". If you're upgrading to next gen and sticking to a 1080p TV then that's just wasted potential . But you gotta do what you like at the end of the day. Enjoy.

Just a reminder, 1080p is only 2.1 megapixels, 4K is only 8.5 MP. With 8K it'll be hard to differentiate between video stills and photos at 33.2MP! Assuming the content is there anyway.

That's just you though

Everyone is different, this gives people options. If you are not satisfied with 1080p you can pick up the 4K system. Just like Netflix offers 4K sub and SD sub. I personally don't mind as I have a Switch and satisfied with it on a 4K screen. As for which system I'd buy I'd obviously buy the 4K option as I'm a enthusiast with money to burn but I understand not everyone is like me.

As for comparing a 480p YouTube video to HD, that's a massive difference in comparison to 1080p to 4K on a 40 inch TV people are sitting far from.

I've already mentioned PS4 and One S continue to sell more than their premium consoles.

 

[Sussoloc]

If you're seeking perfection, then perfection has its price, I guess. You can still get a "decent" 4K HDR TV below $500 mark, like this one (58"):

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Not perfection, but at least a Sony 55X9005f to really call it an upgrade. The Sony is not that expensive for what you get, but still some money if you have a perfectly working 1080p tv at home.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That's just you though

Everyone is different, this gives people options. If you are not satisfied with 1080p you can pick up the 4K system. Just like Netflix offers 4K sub and SD sub. I personally don't mind as I have a Switch and satisfied with it on a 4K screen. As for which system I'd buy I'd obviously buy the 4K option as I'm a enthusiast with money to burn but I understand not everyone is like me.

As for comparing a 480p YouTube video to HD, that's a massive difference in comparison to 1080p to 4K on a 40 inch TV people are sitting far from.

I've already mentioned PS4 and One S continue to sell more than their premium consoles.

Indeed, actually most of whom I know play PS4 on 4K, it looks better than a 1080p TV, but still not that good. To me think I 2-3 meters is the sweet spot for 55", 3-4m for "65, 4-5m for 75". Even in a monitor that's pretty small in comparison and you play very close to it you can easily see big difference between 1080p vs 1440p vs 4k. We're gettings 4K HDR in an Xperia 1 that's 6.5" only.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Not perfection, but at least a Sony 55X9005f to really call it an upgrade. The Sony is not that expensive for what you get, but still some money if you have a perfectly working 1080p tv at home.

You try it, and you regret all the time spent on a 1080p Even if it's PS4/XO, the image quality is just way better. For us we might seek mid-range to high-end TV's, but current low budget TV's look so good and they're no joke, if someone can't push higher. I seek the best possible and might end up paying up to $4000, but you really don't have to and most will be very satisfied with many budget HDR 4K tv's. It's like with phones now, many budget phones are so good and you save plenty of money on them.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Depends on the price. A 6-7 TF Lockhart for 299 would attract many casuals, i guarantee you that. You can't compare a late gen console to a starting console. The starting price matters most.

Talking about casuals, you forget One S will still be around if Lockart releases along with SX, and will be much cheaper than that.

I simply cannot believe MS will have FOUR consoles on the market at the same time, hardcores will go with SX, casuals will go with One S or X(good discount), by the way every game released will embrace all of them(FP for sure, TP maybe). Makes more sense if they release Lockart within two years, when they retire One family.

 

[Neo Blaster]

you contradicted your own point in one post. lol sony cant take a loss yet MS will take loss and sell XSX for 399 if lockhart doesn't exist?yea this could happen as well . also sony can undercut the price of XSX even if they are close in power with XSx . remove the MS goggles and you see everything is possible

People think MS can always use the 'infinite money cheat'. That's not how it works, the company has a lot of dough, Xbox division does not. Don't you remember when Phil said he had one hell of a work to convince Satya Nadella not to terminate their game business?