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Nintendo's 1st party attach is extremely impressive.

Sony's, given the size of the base, is just meh. Spiderman did great though.
Sony's is more spread out but if a person buys even one of them that might have been the tipping game. They're known for their variety. Between 10 gamers, 10 of them could have COD and Madden but maybe they each have one different Sony exclusive. They could have gotten the other two on Xbox and those sell 10x the Sony exclusives but that doesn't stop the exclusive from mattering that they did buy
 
That's general attach, IE all games. Check the numbers on their first-party. They've been doing 10 - 11m (with some consistency) on a base of 50m or so, which is fantastic.

I thought you were arguing the point on GTA5? That's not a first party title.

The reason the Nintendo attach rates are so poor is most people buy the console for the one or two first party title the want to play, and nothing else. So I could imagine high attach rates if you limit it to that alone. I don't have a breakdown of numbers sold either for Nintendo or Sony first party games. Any source?

It's not general attach rate ... it's just the attach rate. Software divided by hardware. First Party attach rate maybe what you are referring to.
 
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Rim Rim , nobody said 10m was a bad number for anybody. LOL However, It isn't a good number for crowing about first-party dominance with a base of 100m+ users. First-party is limited to a single install base, obviously a system with a smaller base will generally show smaller sales numbers, even if games received a better response from their base, resulting in a higher percentage buying it.
 
I thought you were arguing the point on GTA5? That's not a first party title.

The reason the Nintendo attach rates are so poor is most people buy the console for the one or two first party title the want to play, and nothing else. So I could imagine high attach rates if you limit it to that alone. I don't have a breakdown of numbers sold either for Nintendo or Sony first party games. Any source?

It's not general attach rate ... it's just the attach rate. Software divided by hardware. First Party attach rate maybe what you are referring to.

We were talking first-party, the GTAV thing was just a misguided attempt to muddy the water, a failed attempt at that since the numbers didn't work in the arguments favor to begin with. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Sony's is more spread out but if a person buys even one of them that might have been the tipping game. They're known for their variety. Between 10 gamers, 10 of them could have COD and Madden but maybe they each have one different Sony exclusive. They could have gotten the other two on Xbox and those sell 10x the Sony exclusives but that doesn't stop the exclusive from mattering that they did buy

No question. Sony and Nintendo make great games, full stop. Nintendo has just cultivated a more ravenous loyalty among its base.
 
Only fanboys try to argue that selling 10 million copies on a single platform is bad.

The biggest Sony exclusive games that sell 10 million plus copies are among the best selling games on the platform.

The only titles that sell more are games like Call of Duty and Gran Theft Auto (just to name a few).

This means most games are not selling nearly as well as PS exclusives on multiple platforms. And by this logic alone, most triple A sales are bad.
 
sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question
 
sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question

This is a stupidly simplistic way of looking at things.

It's to do with brand, exclusives, multiplats, power. It's not just about multiplats
 
No question. Sony and Nintendo make great games, full stop. Nintendo has just cultivated a more ravenous loyalty among its base.
Nintendo games are wildly unique and generally offer TONS of replay value. The same cant be said for PS exclusives that generally offer around 6-10 hours of "gameplay".

compared to countless hours of games like Smash and Mario Kart
 
The main reason MS will focus on making a more powerful console is public opinion, i do agree that quality games trump power but the masses don't know that, they just know numbers & statistics, if they go to the store and read the most powerful console in the market, they are sold.
And how did that work to X? MS should double down and go all in on Gamepass and Xcloud. Game affordability and convenience, that's what suits most to the masses if they don't know about quality games, not power.
 
sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question

If people buy consoles just for the price and which console plays multiplats better, then no one would buy a Switch or an Xbox One.

Horizon Zero Dawn sold 10 million copies.

NBA 2K series is among the best selling titles and it didn't reach that much on a single platform.
Same goes for Madden and other multipat titles.

Your arguments literally make zero sense if you look at the numbers.
 
What's the point of talking about sales in a next-gen thread? Focus on the leaks or pseudo-leaks instead. No one's talking about leaked games. That's what matters the most. I firmly believe FF7 remake screencaps are coming from PS5 kits.
 
What's the point of talking about sales in a next-gen thread? Focus on the leaks or pseudo-leaks instead. No one's talking about leaked games. That's what matters the most. I firmly believe FF7 remake screencaps are coming from PS5 kits.

Mate the demo is leaked and people are playing it on a vanilla PS4 and it just looks that good.

If you examine it up close you can see that the worlds texture detail is low, but man, that game is just something else visually.

Utterly bonkers what they have done with it, and I reply hope parts 2 through 75 are on next gen.
 
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Horizon Zero Dawn sold 10 million copies.

I'm going to attempt some BS maths here with this number (and will work with sterling).

Assuming an average retail cost of £30 (discounted over time; it's now £15 on Amazon and selling well), that means the game brought in £300M.

Let's halve that, to take into account the retailers' cut and money that will go to the government for taxes, etc. We're left with £150M.

It's said that the game cost £35M to make. We'll now add an extra £10M for marketing costs (that's probably way too high!), so we're up to £50M.

So, if we take my BS maths as fact, Sony made £100M from the game in profit. That's pretty good. And we're not even looking at how much more they made from DLC sales, which would have no retailer cut at all.

Likely we're actually looking at £100M as the low end of things.
 
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sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question
And here we go to the 'exclusives don't matter' narrative again...you're wrong, people choose consoles based on brand loyalty, where their friends are gaming, price and quality of games.
 
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And here we go to the 'exclusives don't matter' narrative again...you're wrong, people buy consoles based on brand loyalty, where their friend are gaming, price and quality of games.
Exclusives matter, which is why Microsoft and Sony now have the same amount of 1st Party Studios. It's going to be a pretty exciting generation when it comes to 1st Party games.
 
You know, I really enjoyed horizon and I don't know why it gets shit on so much. It was a great ride. What's people issue with it anyway?
 
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Mate the demo is leaked and people are playing it on a vanilla PS4 and it just looks that good.

If you examine it up close you can see that the worlds texture detail is low, but man, that game is just something else visually.

Utterly bonkers what they have done with it, and I reply hope parts 2 through 75 are on next gen.

The screen captures are super high res. Could just be from the PC version though.
 
sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

This is what happens when you listen to dealer all day.. People dont buy console for exclusives??? Lolol 6hrs of gameplay? Smh most of Ps exclusive
, 1st and 2nd party are over 30+ hours. Spider man 13.2m, Hzd 10m+, Gow 10m*
+, Tlou 17m+ across 2 gens. Exclusive is what draws people buddy not 3rd party games.
 
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You know, I really enjoyed horizon and I don't know what it gets shit on so much. It was a great ride. What's people issue with it anyway?

No clue, definitely one of my favorites of the generation.
It was not perfect and it lacked polish on some stuff - mostly in therms of presentation - but it was guerrilla first try on a new genre, so what they achieved was great.
I'm going to ask more from the 2nd game though, so they better polish that shit up. I expect a uncharted to uncharted 2 moment, no less than that, otherwise I'll be disappointed.
 
This is what happens when you listen to dealer all day.. People dont buy console for exclusives??? Lolol 6hrs of gameplay? Smh most of Ps exculsives 1 and 2nd party are over 30+ hours. Spider man 13.2m, Hzd 10m+, Gow 10m*
+, Tlou 17m+ across 2 gens. Exclusive is what draws people buddy not 3rd party games.

While exclusives are a big drive, statistically people will buy far more third party games. Don't under estimate being the best place to play third party is a big drive for people, more so than first party, for a lot of people.
 
And how did that work to X? MS should double down and go all in on Gamepass and Xcloud. Game affordability and convenience, that's what suits most to the masses if they don't know about quality games, not power.
i already discussed that on a previous post
game affordability & convenience ? that's up to developers, the masses don't know like you know, if the masses knew they would be no marketing etc....
 
sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question
I agree.
I remember getting an Xbox 360 strictly for Halo 3. Before then I had an original Xbox and loved playing Halo 1 & 2 on it, as well as third-party games that just ran better than the PS2. When Halo 5 came out the franchise was already catering to a different audience than those who played the original trilogy, and so I didn't get an Xbox One but instead opted for the PlayStation 4 since it was more powerful and could play third-party games better.

If the Xbox Series X can play GTA VI better, then expect many to return to the platform. I can't imagine God of Babysitter will attract newcomers to the PlayStation 5, neither will the homosexual love story of Last of Us 2.
 
While exclusives are a big drive, statistically people will buy far more third party games. Don't under estimate being the best place to play third party is a big drive for people, more so than first party, for a lot of people.

Its all pieces of a pie.. Exclusives, 3rd, Price, Power. But when you got Exclusives doing cross platform numbers that's impressive and a Testament to how people see that brand and would go with that brand over option b or c.

Edit: Special Edition Consoles also add alot to a person choice. Kid see the spiderman ps4 he is going want that over something else.
 
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What's the point of talking about sales in a next-gen thread? Focus on the leaks or pseudo-leaks instead. No one's talking about leaked games. That's what matters the most. I firmly believe FF7 remake screencaps are coming from PS5 kits.

We discussed every leak, even the fake leakers got bored.
 
Nintendo games are wildly unique and generally offer TONS of replay value. The same cant be said for PS exclusives that generally offer around 6-10 hours of "gameplay".

compared to countless hours of games like Smash and Mario Kart
I have 3 switches in the house and only one PS4 pro.... I agree that Nintendo games are good but they rely on gameplay and characters that are mostly 30 years old.

What you've said about Sony games is unfair and disingenuous... most of the games take 20 to 40 hours, some much longer (Horizon and Death Stranding).

Games like Uncharted, TLOU, GT Sport, MLB and others have multiplayer modes and large devoted communities that play for thousands of hours.

Even Bloodborne, Nioh and Death Stranding have people that keep playing to use their unique multiplayer and help people through the experience.

We just had Dreams release which is a game / creation tool with few limits that already has a huge amount of incredible experiences and before that was LittleBigPlanet.

If a game comes out and it is a remake or a shorter experience like Ratchet and Clank or SHadow of the Colossus... at least PlayStation didn't price-gouge me like they did with Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. It's something I can appreciate.

A game also shouldn't be judged purely on it's length of gameplay because polish, story and how much of an impression a game makes counts for a lot and sometimes a lot more.


Like sometimes people play games to forget time and others play for something to remember.... playing to remember is what I define as a PlayStation game quality!
 
I agree.
I remember getting an Xbox 360 strictly for Halo 3. Before then I had an original Xbox and loved playing Halo 1 & 2 on it, as well as third-party games that just ran better than the PS2. When Halo 5 came out the franchise was already catering to a different audience than those who played the original trilogy, and so I didn't get an Xbox One but instead opted for the PlayStation 4 since it was more powerful and could play third-party games better.

If the Xbox Series X can play GTA VI better, then expect many to return to the platform. I can't imagine God of Babysitter will attract newcomers to the PlayStation 5, neither will the homosexual love story of Last of Us 2.

Keep dreaming and waiting. A better running GTA won't move ppl to a another system. Sony just has to much to offer in terms of quality exclusives and a different way to play in psvr and always great hardware.

Did better playing multiplats cause ppl to buy an Xbox 360 over a ps3? Hell nooooo!! Even with weaker multiplats, costing hundreds more, online down for months ps3 still sold more consoles worldwide upon its release almost every single month till its end and caught up to a console tht cane out over a year and a half before 😉

Expect ppl to choose ps5 again bcus why not? It just offers the best in gaming and gives gamers a new breath of fresh ips and sets the standards and aren't afraid to give new options first e.g. Psnow (streaming for years), psvr, etc
 
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sorry but Sony exclusives likes Horizon Zero Dawn are not bringing any new customers to Sony. The vast majority of Sony exclusives are not "system sellers". PS owners will buy them of course but they wont convince an MS, Nintendo, or a new console owner, to buy a PS4. No one wants to buy a console because of a 6 hour semi-interactive movie.

People buy consoles mostly for which one plays multiplats better and the price. The PS4 happened to beat the XB1 in both those categories and thats why PS4 dominated. If the XsX can play multiplats better and match the price of ps5 then xbox will make a comeback, no question

Lol what did I just read 😂
 
More than you have!

even if it's once, it's more than you have done for this community on leaking something like that and doing it again!
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While exclusives are a big drive, statistically people will buy far more third party games. Don't under estimate being the best place to play third party is a big drive for people, more so than first party, for a lot of people.

There's history on this, ps3 had inferior multiplats most of its life as compared to Xbox 360 yet still sold more consoles worldwide almost every single month upon its release and at hundreds more. I think your overestimating.

If ppl had to choose between a competent multiplat version of a game, maybe not the best version but still up there and also buying a system with games thy can't get elsewhere and like, as opposed to a console with a better multiplat version but no games tht appeal to them hmmmmm what you think they are going to buy?
 
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There's history on this, ps3 had inferior multiplats most of its life as compared to Xbox 360 yet still sold more consoles worldwide almost every single month upon its release and at hundreds more. I think your overestimating

Nobody cares if 360 or ps3 sold more multiplats, why ever bring it up...?

But statistically, and this is backed up by sales and evidence, people will own one or two first party games and then a lot of third party, based solely on the fact there are far, far more of them to purchase and different kinds.
 
Admittedly, the date could have been planned for February and been postponed due to the corona virus outbreak, which caused cancellation of many other events.
Mwc was cancelled because majority of the companies there would've been from China and coming by plane. That's why GDC is still happening as Chinese attendees and retailers are a tiny part of the whole show. I don't know of any other shows being cancelled and I don't see why a lot of people from China would be involved in a Sony release conference. Few people in the media?
 
Are we now really discussing game sales? Between a platform that gives their exclusives away for free with Game Pass and one that doesn't? With one platform at 105 million consoles and one at <50 million? At the end of the day even on PS4 more than 90 % of games sold are not first party games. Because yes, the majority buy a console to play the best version of multiplatform games at the best price/performance.
 
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Nobody cares if 360 or ps3 sold more multiplats, why ever bring it up...?

But statistically, and this is backed up by sales and evidence, people will own one or two first party games and then a lot of third party, based solely on the fact there are far, far more of them to purchase and different kinds.

Why bring this up if I've already answered this point in my post???, 🤔

Hence.....

"If ppl had to choose between a competent multiplat version of a game, maybe not the best version but still up there and also buying a system with games thy can't get elsewhere and like, as opposed to a console with a better multiplat version but no games tht appeal to them hmmmmm what you think they are going to buy?"

Why bring up who sold more multiplats? I didn't bring tht up I brought up who sold more consoles month after month even with inferior multiplats because you knowwww it had to do with the narrative tht more ppl will buy a system with better multiplats, a narrative I was riddling with holes🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 
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I'm going to attempt some BS maths here with this number (and will work with sterling).

Assuming an average retail cost of £30 (discounted over time; it's now £15 on Amazon and selling well), that means the game brought in £300M.

Let's halve that, to take into account the retailers' cut and money that will go to the government for taxes, etc. We're left with £150M.

It's said that the game cost £35M to make. We'll now add an extra £10M for marketing costs (that's probably way too high!), so we're up to £50M.

So, if we take my BS maths as fact, Sony made £100M from the game in profit. That's pretty good. And we're not even looking at how much more they made from DLC sales, which would have no retailer cut at all.

Likely we're actually looking at £100M as the low end of things.

I like your BS maths.
 
Oh come on, people getting upset at a possible 8tf ps5 in this thread. If it does end up being 8tf are you saying you're not gonna buy it? The games will be great. 8tf NAVI with Zen 2 CPU and SSD will be a big leap over PS4 Pro and X1X 6tf GCN.
Because it is upsetting! More than 3 years ago, when the Pro launched, Cerny said that to afford native 4k at this point in time (in every game and without compromise), it would be necessary a GPU with more than 8tf!
Yes, i know that he was referring to the old GCN arq, but that doesn't change my point of view: RDNA has what, a 25% increase in performance? _ OK, now we have to add the increase in performance demand by next gen graphics (does anyone know how much it will be?), then add to that number the increase in performance demand of Ray Tracing! Then you have the 3D audio dedicated hardware _ we don't know yet if it's a custom independent chip in the APU,... if it's using the GPUs CUs for the task, then you can add one more figure on that percentage of the demands in performance!
Last but not least, and something that people tend to forget, PS5 is going to support the next generation jump in graphics and performance of the PSVR2, that we know nothing about yet, but I'm betting it will be pretty demanding if Sony wants it to be really next gen.

Because Phil is aware of everything that happens on Gaf...

Some of the posters here. Now I understand what Gamernyc was saying.
Lol of course they know what happens in the net, to gather public opinion, interest, feedback,... these companies obviously have a division, or a group inside a division, to gather that information. And im pretty much sure that someone in the position of Phil in Ms, has also personal staff to oversee his interactions on social media (so that he doesn't end up talking with rapists, murderers and the likes)!

Admittedly, the date could have been planned for February and been postponed due to the corona virus outbreak, which caused cancellation of many other events.
That's my thoughts exactly since the Mobile World Congresses cancelation.
There was too many people talking PSMeeting in February and where there's smoke there's fire!... But probably was canceled like MWC.

I stand by what I said, Xbox has to sell their platform to new customers a lot more than Sony has to sell theirs and they can't make those initial XSX sales without the power hype.

Of course the games need to utilize the hardware, but I think it would be healthy for everyone to drop the wet dream that the PS5 and XSX will be equal.

I imagine that it will be very similar to Pro vs X, and the Pro was and still is a huge disappointment.

I'm sick of good games going to outdated & underperforming hardware though. That's my biggest problem with Nintendo.
Dude, if that's your reasoning for why Xbox has to be more powerful, then you got it the other way around! It's not Xbox who has to sell the 'new platform' to their customers more than the other _ they sell their games on other platforms too! They sell on pc, they sell Minecraft on ps4 and Switch, they are already selling other games on Switch, and now they are expanding to even more platforms with Xcloud! They are not the ones that need to sell their console to sell the software... and that has been their official message for years now: what gives profit is the software sales, not the hardware.
 
Nobody cares if 360 or ps3 sold more multiplats, why ever bring it up...?

But statistically, and this is backed up by sales and evidence, people will own one or two first party games and then a lot of third party, based solely on the fact there are far, far more of them to purchase and different kinds.
Except that people won't choose the system that run multiplats better, they'll choose the one where their friends are gaming.
 
What's the point of talking about sales in a next-gen thread? Focus on the leaks or pseudo-leaks instead. No one's talking about leaked games. That's what matters the most. I firmly believe FF7 remake screencaps are coming from PS5 kits.

Thank you. So much discussion about sales and price. We'll all buy the console we want regardless of price. I'm itching for next gen games!
 
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