LED Guy?
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Nope you said it before, admit it man.
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wowbaggerBR
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Clearly not just about ps5 considering you said consoles.
Thanks, I was looking for that post.
I find amazing that someone could get so worked up because gaming consoles could very well be a better value proposition for the majority, people who simply can't afford PC hardware or don't even care about the hassle. Like, what's the point? Is he the owner of Nvidia or does he got a share of every overpriced and inefficient PC out there?
LED Guy?
Banned
Klee, Andrew Reiner and Jason Schreier are all the sources you need, PS5 will be as powerful or even more.
OsirisBlack
Banned
I don't care what he does, I don't have social media so I won't ever see it. He should be happy right now.
very doubtful it's an exclusive and a graphical benchmark. Not cross generation and nothing looks remotely close to this.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
My prediction for PS5 was 36/40CUs at around 1.8GHz. This is the Gonzalo spec that was reported on by DF. Later Oberon at 2GHz was shown, so I updated to 36 or 40CU at 2GHz. If it's not, then I was wrong. No biggie.
01011001
Banned
I expect many games going that route tho. having multiple modes. maybe 1440p60 with RT, 4k30 with RT and 4k60 without RT or something like that.
Kagero
Member
Looks like it's all down to price then.
Disco_
Member
It's right in the name PS4 PRO. It's still a ps4.
Going from ps4 to ps5 would be more similar to going from ps3 to ps4 except with BC. I remember paying $10 for upgrades within the 1st year or so. Don't think they can pull that off this time.
This falls on the publishers though, no sony/ms I would think.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Damn, I'd be happy with just an e-mail from that newsletter on PS5 site.
Fatal Enigma
Member
Your undying devotion to early devkit info and dying on that hill will be quite fun to look back on.
I hope soony rather than laterCould it mean (if 56CU rumor is true)
56CU * 2 * 64 * 1700MHz = 12,185 TFlops?
or
56CU * 2 * 64 * 1675Mhz = 12,006 TFlops? (I am leaning toward this as I am sure they squeezed as much power from the console as possible to be able to say they have a 12 TFlops machine)
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
You really hate consoles .. aren't you ?
you put so much effort in this subject while you are a PC player , and with 0 knowledge about next Gen console .. a guy can become so stupid when praising a thing to tear down the other while the two things are different !
01011001
Banned
oh yeah all the games that had those upgrade passes... Destiny was such a game wasn't it? and I think a bunch of Ubisoft and EA games did that too.
I almost forgot about those, just like those damn online passes that they tried to push on us for lika a year or so... hell even Sony jumped on that wagon with stuff like God of War Ascension
DJ12
Member
Might be true, but still only referring to it as OUR most powerful console suggests otherwise.
You mean the guy who said for months neither console would use euv or be RDNA 2?Damn, all those naysayers on this thread who said there was no way Xbox was using RDNA2 are taking a big fat L. R600 was right all along.
Are you a bit of a history revisionist when it suits?
This proves he was wrong. Move along.
Reindeer
Member
Extremely disappointing if we're back to 30FPS with impressive looking games next gen.
LED Guy?
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Nope, the 12 TF number was known a long time ago, since E3 2019, Andrew Reiner at that time said PS5 is more powerful.Your undying devotion to early devkit info and dying on that hill will be quite fun to look back on.
Bo_Hazem
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Venom Snake
Member
Even for $600, it will still sound like a bargain.
Zen2 cpu? - yeah, right. Maybe.
Ray tracing - You are not getting RT in a fucking console!
SSD - dream on. I mean, stfu.
RTX2080 performance - stop, just stop. It's a $700 gpu, are you nuts? A MaxQ could shit on it, the slides say so.
My face now -
Damn MS delivered like a boss, your move Sony.
Zen2 cpu? - yeah, right. Maybe.
Ray tracing - You are not getting RT in a fucking console!
SSD - dream on. I mean, stfu.
RTX2080 performance - stop, just stop. It's a $700 gpu, are you nuts? A MaxQ could shit on it, the slides say so.
My face now -
Damn MS delivered like a boss, your move Sony.
01011001
Banned
this will always be the case, Insomniac literally said that they will never ever target 60fps again since they think it's not worth it and will just push graphics to the max... that's why Ratchet and Clank remake runs at 30fps not 60fps like the original. I just hope that this time around more games will offer performance options.
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Fun Fanboy
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I'd have to dig twitter quotes. At work, so don't have the time for that.
And not saying you're one, but man, people really need to let the hate for Tim go. He knows some things here and there. He's actual friends with Spencer and a few others on team Xbox. It's almost like people are more mad he is right on stuff because they hate him so much. Tim has transformed so much over this whole gen from the start of it. Completely different guy. People want to go after fanboys. Go after CrapGamer and PuertoRock clowns. It's all a show for Twitter anyways. You get thousands of people shitting on you on twitter for years, yeah, you can start to come off as snarky at times.
(again not you, i'm just ranting right now.
) Anyways, everyone enjoy today! The start of specs flowing in has begun. Your move Soony!
Tripolygon
Banned
I'm sorry but no. Latching unto already rumored figure by reputable sources does not make tim right about anything. Jason Schreier said more powerful than Stadia and 2080, Jas / Windows central said 12TF, DF said 12TF, IGN said 12TF, Klee said slightly more than 12TF which if you add cpu it is.
demigod
Member
Your undying devotion to early devkit info and dying on that hill will be quite fun to look back on.
Osiris had said the PS5 had the edge until recently but he doesn't know about the latest PS5 devkit. If you're going to discredit Klee and them, Osiris would be part of that group as well. If anything, Osiris info would bring more credence to those other insiders.
Don't let marketing fool you. This smart delivery feature is basically what we have now with the mid gen consoles. You buy a game and if the developer patches it to support better graphics, it just works for Pro and 1X.
Makes no sense for Sony to stop supporting a console feature they already have.
Of course PS5 will logically do the same thing.
(what $10 upgrades?)
sonomamashine
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Insane Metal
Member
Hell yeah. I'm happy as fuck. This gen will rock.
He's been here with me
Spreewaldgurke
Member
My god the next generation console war is already so good. Love to see who will win this time. I guess it will be a close race this time...
Mr Moose
Member
Cross-buy (with Vita games and stuff), though not exactly the same.
sonomamashine
Member
Insane Metal
surely Sony 11.3 Tf, what do you think (you got an intel right ?)
Reindeer
Member
Saying that 2080 MAXQ will be more powerful than next gen consoles is the dumbest thing that I ever heard Nvidia say.Even for $600, it will still sound like a bargain.
Zen2 cpu? - yeah, right. Maybe.
Ray tracing - You are not getting RT in a fucking console!
SSD - dream on. I mean, stfu.
RTX2080 performance - stop, just stop. It's a $700 gpu, are you nuts? A MaxQ could shit on it, the slides say so.
My face now -
Damn MS delivered like a boss, your move Sony.
01011001
Banned
it's not the same feature. PS4 pro games usually use the exact same files the base PS4 uses. it's LITERALLY the same game.
with Series X games like Halo infinite for example will not be the same files on Xbox One and Series X. the Series X version of the game will be a distinct version that uses different assets and maybe even a completely different executable. that's more comparable with Xbox Play Anywhere where you buy a game on PC or Xbox One and you have the game on both systems.
(and the $10 upgrades were a thing many companies did at the launch of this generation. if you had Destiny for Xbox 360 you would get the Xbox One version for $10 for example)
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Oh, I do like it when I'm right... Any questions?
HawarMiran
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BattleScar
Member
This was true at launch, but driver maturity has resulted in the 2080 slowly edging the 1080ti. The 2080S is obviously a touch faster than that.
Given how close RDNA1 is in terms of performance per shader to Turing , RDNA2 could offer architectural improvements that enable it to perform as well or better than Turing per shader. Which would mean the XSX would be faster than a 2080S.
Well most "insiders" have been saying that the Xbox and PlayStation 5 have negligible performance difference (30% difference in GPU compute is definitely non-trivial).
Some have even said it's faster. The only thing that says the opposite is the GitHub repo - which is fairly strong evidence mind. But it's not in line with what insiders have said.
And ultimately, Sony have been quiet cause they can be.
I mean this time last year when Sony had those two quickfire Wired articles and even a video demo of their SSD, people were singing their praises for how up front they were being.
I don't remember people chatting shit about how Microsoft hadn't responded so they were scared, or some bullshit back then.
Yeah he was deffo wrong, but 12tf RDNA isn't almost as powerful as a 2080ti. That runs at like 15-16tf.Nope, your info was wrong, you said XSX will be 10 TF, and PS5 is 9 TF.
XSX is 12 TF RDNA 2, more powerful than RTX 2080 Super, almost as powerful as RTX 2080 Ti.
PS5 will be 12TF RDNA 2 or even more.
You were wrong, admit it.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
There came a point where I was way too invested in all this. I was even neglecting spending time with my kids, or I'd be peeking at GAF on my phone at 2am in bed. I needed a break to reassess my priorities in life.
On a positive note, it's given me time to work on a project of mine I'll share soon, and I've been working on a Youtube channel, too. I'm nowhere near getting monetized, so hopefully it's cool if I link it here...my channel. I've been doing a lot of content on Ray tracing, VRS, and xCloud lately.
I said I'd be back when the specs were announced and here I am. Glad be back onboard. I love this place!
Shout out to my brother,
SonGoku
! We miss you, man!
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DJ12
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Ahmmmm....
I'm not sure which narrative you are currently pushing vfx but I'm pretty sure this debunks 2 of them I've seen in the last couple of pages.
Theres more but let's leave it at that.
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You're falling for marketing. So basically cross gen games and support.
Not so different to me.
Why wouldn't PS5 do this?
Insane Metal
Member
No I don't! Same as everyone else in here. I believe in 11-12TF.
We love you too!There came a point where I was way too invested in all this. I was even neglecting spending time with my kids, or I'd be peeking at GAF on my phone at 2am in bed. I needed a break to reassess my priorities in life.
On a positive note, it's given me time to work on a project of mine I'll share soon, and I've been working on a Youtube channel, too. I'm nowhere near getting monetized, so hopefully it's cool if I link it here...my channel. I've been doing a lot of content on Ray tracing, VRS, and xCloud lately.
I said I'd be back when the specs were announced and here I am. Glad be back onboard. I love this place!
Shout out to my brother,
Also I had so much fun with you on TD2! BTW next week Warlords of NY, let's play!
01011001
Banned
because the PS4 didn't do it? this is pretty much the first time any first party company did this in a large scale like this.
I actually think Sony will do a similar deal, even if they didn't plan this until now they will most likely follow after Microsoft simply for PR reasons.
VFXVeteran
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The differences are too similar to pay any attention too. Comparing fractions at this point is borderline insanity imo.
I don't think that the games coming out of next-gen are going to be as mind-boggling as people are hoping. We saw this last gen.
My inside Sony source admits that the XSX is more powerful than the PS5. I believe him. I don't think he's talking about fractions of one TF. But we'll see.
My Sony source indicated concern for the PS5 stating that Sony has concerns over sales for the high price. Again, we'll see.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Me believing 10TF for XSX is OK. I have no narrative. And if me stating any information has been verified as being wrong. That's OK too. Doesn't take away the fact that I have insider information whether accurate or not from what they tell me.
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They started doing it with PS4 pro. You can argue the semantics of it if you want, but the idea is the same.
44alltheway
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OsirisBlack
, what were the latest numbers you had for next generation consoles again? Sorry if I'm asking you something you've probably been asked plenty of times by now?
FranXico
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You were leaning on the PS5 being 10-11TF, right?Oh, I do like it when I'm right... Any questions?
OsirisBlack
Banned
I have heard the same thing about the price point being a concern.
Microsoft is handling this masterfully.
saintjules
Member
Microsoft's Theme Song today
01011001
Banned
the idea IS NOT THE SAME.
again PS4pro supported games LITERALLY use the exact same files, the exact same executables and in 99% of all the games even the exact same textures.
all that is different on the PS4 pro versions is that there is a config file in there that tells the game to run at different settings when it detects that it runs in a Pro.
these new consoles will most likely use slightly different APIs, they will use completely different assets and use GPU features the old systems do not support.
OsirisBlack
Banned
11.6 for XseX and 12.4 for PS5 with XseX having more leeway with clock changes.
Been saying this since the beginning.
Quick recap the first report I ever got was that the psv gdk was hot and loud as shit.
This next bit is not insider anything just my thoughts. The newer gdk is quiet and cold not sure how this will affect numbers but I think with both aiming high (don't think either will hit the target) shits about to get interesting as fuck.
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