Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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given that seems both consoles will be powerful, the real question that remains unanswered is price.
This will be potentially a close to zero growth in US, lets see how market reacts to 550ish consoles.


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IMO, they will sell at a loss
 
So, games... what's everyone looking forward to for next gen? I really want to see a mainline gran turismo, also really excited to see what some of my fav devs are up to including playground and santa monica, next gen is looking to be a healthy upgrade, cant wait to be honest.
 
Didn't someone say they are using 7nm+, just they are not referring to it that way anymore?

They said they are using the latest 7nm technology I believe during the Q&A, pretty sure someone posted it here somewhere during the night.
Yea they clarified that after the presentation that they're using 7nm+ or p. I can't remember which is what, it's confusing :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
So, games... what's everyone looking forward to for next gen? I really want to see a mainline gran turismo, also really excited to see what some of my fav devs are up to including playground and santa monica, next gen is looking to be a healthy upgrade, cant wait to be honest.

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You know, this I think is enough for me in the next-gen, in terms of graphics although not so different from the current one.
 
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So since Next gen consoles are looking to be powerful as all hell and RDNA 2 cards for PC release at some point this year is it bat shit crazy to consider upgrading to a 5700xt? I'm getting PS5 most certainly as im pretty invested in the ecosystem.
 
Ummm... how about this lower drama alternative then... Instead of requesting a "ban" for whatever reason, simply don't visit the forum for a while? I've done it before. I know that may seem like crazy talk, but just not signing in and participating in a forum IS an option! :messenger_winking_tongue:

Edit- just to be clear, this was directed at another comment about people requesting 'self bans' NOT aimed at @CrustryBritches!
Or why not simply try to share some thoughts and have a laugh instead of trying to improvise tech, financial, marketing and videogame history knowledge with taking strong positions that are bigger than ourselfs? I'm not attacking anyone in particular, but I think there is still a problem if after you got something wrong you feel to leave the thread for a while. Why? Because you realized you wasted a lot of time on putting pile of arguments thinking they are the only way things can go due to "logic", despite you're improvising knowledge in deep questions?
Just say some stuff and if they are wrong, fine.
Not referring to you, anyway, just elaborating.
Most of us knows SHIT, 99,99% of this forum including me can't hold a candle to Cerny or Phil Spencer in what they do, the vast majority would be embarrassed in an argument with these people while being arrogant here.
 
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I got it!. Ms payed Sony off (billions. Insider dream knowledge) to keep quiet until they got all their information out. Because they know if Sony dropped information they would of been drowned out.:messenger_open_mouth:

Why you think Ryan, and Cerney quite? They on a island somewhere by fiji enjoying drinks, weather o_o
 
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So since Next gen consoles are looking to be powerful as all hell and RDNA 2 cards for PC release at some point this year is it bat shit crazy to consider upgrading to a 5700xt? I'm getting PS5 most certainly as im pretty invested in the ecosystem.

Its not crazy... but not the greatest use of money. If your system can limp along til next year I would wait so your upgrade is based on the new console baseline.
 
So, games... what's everyone looking forward to for next gen? I really want to see a mainline gran turismo, also really excited to see what some of my fav devs are up to including playground and santa monica, next gen is looking to be a healthy upgrade, cant wait to be honest.
A Killzone reboot first of all ( bring back Helghan please with its original greyish toxic atmosphere! Maybe in the skin of the Helghast army this time, for a proper and justified reboot), then Resistance please (yes I'm a sucker for FPS lol), and obviously last but not least, apart from a new GOW, new Horizon, new Spidey,... what I'm more excited about and thrilled to see come through is the rumored new IPs from Japan Studios ( a survival horror game if i remember right) and the Sci-fi game from Santa Monica i think, or was it Naughty Dog? Lol I'm getting old and senile 😅
 
Did the AMD presentation not say both next gen consoles are RDNA2 and Navi 2.x

So, as Nav10 10 stopped at 40, Ps5 is not Github at 36 unless other CU were switched off, its a number > 40 IMO.

So I believe either 44, 52 or 54 CU, chosen on efficiency and pricing which we do not know, but the posters who keep with 36 CU total are just Xbots. I would like 52 and 18 switched off in pro mode, but it might be 600, I also think XsX will be 600.
 
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Did the AMD presentation not say both next gen consoles are RDNA2 and Navi 2.x

psst, RDNA2 = Navi 2x
the Navi 2x part is just the numbering/naming scheme used.

the actual chips will be named Navi 20, Navi 21, Navi 22 and so on the x in 2x is the placeholder for the actual model numbers
 
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I think if people have really bad airflow in their PC case 2080ti clocks can go as low as 1545MHz. But in normal scenario (normal airflow) thanks to GPU boost these cards OC automatically until they reach certain temp.

Here you can see stock results on the left 1890MHz (thats 16.4TF out of the box). On the right manual OC 2146MHz (18.6TF).


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12TF RDNA2 should be faster than 2080S, but I'm really not so sure if it's enough to beat 2080ti even assuming additional gains compared to RDNA1. But as we all know on consoles developers optimize games to the extreme so I think in the end 12TF consoles should provide experience comparable to 2080ti. For example it's totally impossible to run RDR2 even on Radeon 7970 with comparable to PS4 settings, and PS4 GPU is only around 7850/7870 performance. I cant wait to see how far developers will push PS5 / XSX, games will look amazing for sure.

What game is that lol?
 
A Killzone reboot first of all ( bring back Helghan please with its original greyish toxic atmosphere! Maybe in the skin of the Helghast army this time, for a proper and justified reboot), then Resistance please (yes I'm a sucker for FPS lol), and obviously last but not least, apart from a new GOW, new Horizon, new Spidey,... what I'm more excited about and thrilled to see come through is the rumored new IPs from Japan Studios ( a survival horror game if i remember right) and the Sci-fi game from Santa Monica i think, or was it Naughty Dog? Lol I'm getting old and senile 😅
All good shouts, I think it was naughty dog, savage starlight I want to say.
 
So, games... what's everyone looking forward to for next gen? I really want to see a mainline gran turismo, also really excited to see what some of my fav devs are up to including playground and santa monica, next gen is looking to be a healthy upgrade, cant wait to be honest.

new halo, tes, forza horizon, new fable, new halo wars, something from naughty dog, new wipeout, new infamous, new killzone
 
So, games... what's everyone looking forward to for next gen? I really want to see a mainline gran turismo, also really excited to see what some of my fav devs are up to including playground and santa monica, next gen is looking to be a healthy upgrade, cant wait to be honest.

I really want a new Resistance. Either a Ratchet and Clank style remake of the first game with the multiplayer, or a new entry/reboot. That franchise was so interesting, and had so much potential. I didn't get why Sony decided to put all their eggs in the Killzone basket rather than the Resistance basket.

Other than that, I'd really like a new WipEout game, FromSoft Souls game (Bloodborne 2?), and please Atlus remake Persona 3 :)
 
This shows why not 7nm EUV:

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This also promises only 10% power savings from N7=>N7P process, +50% could come only from a major arch efficiency bump.
Diff to N7+ is also not that big, only 5% of additional power savings vs N7P.
What is it showing?
We knew a while ago 7nm and 7nm+ masks/libraries were incompatible. And we knew zen2 was 7nm. They either bring zen2 up to 7nm+, or leave both on 7nm. The only reason we thought rdna2 was 7nm+ is because the desktop gpu slide from a year or two ago.
By the way, IIRC current NAVI cards are 7nP. Radeon 7 was the only GPU on base 7nm process.
 
oppressive GAF is oppressive. He just wanted to talk some shit in peace.
That's in fact the total opposite of what he was doing. He never did so in peace nor in his opinion. Instead, every time he posted anything he presented them as facts. Repeatedly. Every time common sense was presented, you'd know he'd pop up to shut you down with his "facts". Extremely annoying. Because you know he's trolling, just like the other suspects who come out the woodwork.
 
These guys can both afford to sell the consoles at a loss. Theres more sales digitally than ever so thats a big profit increase from the start of last generation. And its only trending higher.
 
Hes over at b3d pretending he always thought the git hub leak just didn't test oberon for rt that's why it's not listed and he always thought it did have. Lol
Who is he on b3d?
Oh, AB? huh he sounds way too smart over there compared to here. Thought maybe you meant that clown psman1700(hi ps!) or something.
 
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I really want a new Resistance. Either a Ratchet and Clank style remake of the first game with the multiplayer, or a new entry/reboot. That franchise was so interesting, and had so much potential. I didn't get why Sony decided to put all their eggs in the Killzone basket rather than the Resistance basket.

Other than that, I'd really like a new WipEout game, FromSoft Souls game (Bloodborne 2?), and please Atlus remake Persona 3 :)
All good calls, I want to know what that secret San Diego team (think that's what they have been called) is working on.
 
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