DeepEnigma
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Those people don't know shit.
Both companies will know the roadmaps and what the theoretical threshold for the silicon is, but they don't know the exact targets or customizations of each other.
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Those people don't know shit.
Both companies will know the roadmaps and what the theoretical threshold for the silicon is, but they don't know the exact targets or customizations of each other.
BlacknGold_Blood
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But don't you need a dev kit eventually if you're going to launch your game on time?
Gamernyc78
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Bro thyll be OK if thy get minecraft later lol
3liteDragon
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My guess is, they'll probably send out dev kits to Mojang in June or July, AFTER they have their blowout event for the PS5 where they reveal everything. And by that time, you can also expect manufacturing to begin for both consoles, and once that happens, all the specs are 100% finalized and cannot be changed at all.
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DeepEnigma
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Not to mention of all games, that thing is going to be cross gen af.
BlacknGold_Blood
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Ok then....
Yeh but specs have been locked in since beginning of the year I would think.
3liteDragon
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You can still make small tweaks to the GPU or RAM by playing around with the clocks but even then, you have to have the final clocks and specs finalized before June. This is because the final clocking is done AT the factory as the GPU's being manufactured, so before manufacturing starts, you're free to make minor last-minute changes to clock speeds.
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Samanosuke Akechi
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Insane Metal
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Completely OT but just for fun:
Batiman
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Ya
For sure.
Xbox 12. Somethin
Ps5 10. Somethin
Call me an insider when I'm right lol.
DeepEnigma
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Matreios Raven
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Mah GitHub.
Samanosuke Akechi
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TLZ
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No.
Smoke6
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I have been living in the past like for reals as I went back and just watched it again on YouTube and damn man!
I... I dunno what to say... shit man
DeepEnigma
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Its a concept. Not meant to be official
I know, would have sold it better proper though.
LED Guy?
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Yeah I understand what you mean, we sometimes remember old things better than what they really are.
LED Guy?
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Nope, they will be much closer to each other than what you say, like 12 TF for both.
saintjules
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lol at Halo disc.
Sinthor
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I still remember when it came out. Yeah the flames in the E3 "demo" looked softer and more real but in all seriousness, I thought they made the game WAY close to that target. That was amazing for the time. I think that was the real start of Sony's first party dominance with titles just continuing to push the envelope.
Batiman
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Nah I ain't going by github and I do consider that close. I'm willing to bet they're gonna end up around there. I was 100% certain MS was gonna lead with power before anything was even talked about. 2013 haunts them lol
44alltheway
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Someone should make a poll to see what people think which console will be more powerful.
ABrokenToy
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Wheres the line in the sand for Sony fanboys? If XSX were 13tf, would it be 14? If XSX was 14tf would it be 15.
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SlimySnake
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so if both ps5 and xbox are rdna 2.0 they are likely also on 7nm+.
i still think ms wins the tflops war which is why they have been touting that number so much.
ps5 might come in at 11.5 or so, but it will be curious to see what their ssd can do to mitigate that gap.
they both should have the same hardware RT solution so performance should be the same there as well.
i think the latest rdna 2.0 leak puts the final nail in the coffin for github and 36 cu gpus. with the ps5 cooling solution being somewhat advanced i wouldnt be surprised if sony is hitting higher clocks but i cant reconcile that with MS being super sure about their 12 tflops number. maybe the final devkit IS 14 tflops like that ubisoft dev said and it is using the hbm chips? but surely the devs wouldve received the specs in advance and told insiders here about it.
and yet no insider seems to be talking about 13 tflops at all.
i still think ms wins the tflops war which is why they have been touting that number so much.
ps5 might come in at 11.5 or so, but it will be curious to see what their ssd can do to mitigate that gap.
they both should have the same hardware RT solution so performance should be the same there as well.
i think the latest rdna 2.0 leak puts the final nail in the coffin for github and 36 cu gpus. with the ps5 cooling solution being somewhat advanced i wouldnt be surprised if sony is hitting higher clocks but i cant reconcile that with MS being super sure about their 12 tflops number. maybe the final devkit IS 14 tflops like that ubisoft dev said and it is using the hbm chips? but surely the devs wouldve received the specs in advance and told insiders here about it.
and yet no insider seems to be talking about 13 tflops at all.
Matreios Raven
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Yeah, but it's okay for MS to upclock from 12 TF to 14 TF, yet MS fans can't fathom the possibility of Sony doing something similar. As though Sony is chopped liver to AMD.
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3liteDragon
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TLZ
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I swear one day I'm just gonna go "Hit em up" on all these cunts.
This is why drugs are dangerous for health.
Patience has its limits.
DeepEnigma
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It certainly isn't a 9.2 disparity like the Xbox ones.
Matreios Raven
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Speaking of Disney...Man they already have a PS5 in Florida and we didnt even know.
Wasn't PS2 codenamed Death Star?
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ethomaz
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Well I'm 50/50 on PS5 being around 11.8TFs or around 13.1TFs... +-0.2TFs.
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ethomaz
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Some posters here in GAF are using the same drugs...
This is why drugs are dangerous for health.
demigod
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NDA must be really bad. Sony would probably sue them into oblivion.
LED Guy?
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RDNA 2 is on 7nm now, AMD has changed it from being on a 7nm+ to just 7nm.
Insane Metal
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I'm guessing this week could be interesting.
LED Guy?
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Yeah looks like Microsoft will be revealing the Xbox Lockhart tomorrow (which is trash IMO).I'm guessing this week could be interesting.
And STILL, nothing from Sony!! Gosh the wait is killing us.
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DeepEnigma
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I know they are on 7NP from regular 7nm now, but there is also this.
AMD Financial Day 2020 [OT] PS. 5 Goddamn Hours Long
Another thread ruined with sales wars. That and RDNA2 wars. People get SO damn wound up & OCD over numbers & semantics to try to make their non-beloved plastic box look bad ........................................................ I guess that's just part of the Great Console Warz
LED Guy?
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What does it mean? I didn't understand, can you simplify it?I know they are on 7NP from regular 7nm now, but there is also this.
AMD Financial Day 2020 [OT] PS. 5 Goddamn Hours Long
Another thread ruined with sales wars. That and RDNA2 wars. People get SO damn wound up & OCD over numbers & semantics to try to make their non-beloved plastic box look bad ........................................................ I guess that's just part of the Great Console Warzwww.neogaf.com
DeepEnigma
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Sounds like he's saying that they changed the naming structure to just be blanketed all under just 7nm naming convention.
So even if they do 7EUV, they will just call it 7nm.
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xacto
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For me, that day's a Wednesday. For Sony it will probably be April, or May.
LED Guy?
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Oh now I understand, thanks!
Oh this sounds very interesting, hmm....
Why would they do that? That will kinda make people who speculate on technology and all that, kinda perplexed on all this stuff, weird indeed.
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DeepEnigma
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Oh now I understand, thanks!
Oh this sounds very interesting, hmm....
Why would they do that? That will kinda make people who speculate on technology and all that, kinda perplexed on all this stuff, weird indeed.
If you listen to the interview a little further in the Q&A he mentions the advancements and results they were getting on the 7nm process were matching up [with the advanced nodes?].
So that probably explains the 50% increase in efficiency.
He doesn't outright say it but seems to elude to that. Maybe to protect their process from the competition (nVidia/Intel)? Their "secret sauce"?
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icy121
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I'm convinced these people don't play games. Instead, they rather act as PR for a company they aren't employed or paid by - it's so bizarre.
While you're at it, ask 'em what they thought of ReCore, Quantum Break, Crackdown 3, the (mis)handling of Fable Legends and Scalebound, if Halo 5 Guardians was what fans' of the series (like myself) wanted out of a new installment. Ask why they care so much that Sony's 1st-party games are mostly, 3rd-person? Is that supposed to be a negative or a hindrance to the success or enjoyment of a game? Lastly, ask what they thought of Sunset Overdrive? It's a great game - it did well critically. So why wasn't a squeal green-lit? Cause no one boug...... Never mind.
I can't stand some of these Twitter PR warriors.
Who by the way, don't play games or know that the Xbox controller has off-set sticks.
TLZ
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Honestly? I think Sony are sitting back watching all this going:Sony, please do something against this!!
TLZ
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Oh you poor soul, it never ends.I really want all this to end, it's tiring, it's addicting to keep reading these threads about the next-gen consoles, but at the same time it's tiring
The reveal is just the beginning.
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Neo Blaster
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I'm certain that one has no access to latest devkits and the other is subject to NDAs. Do you really think this kind of situation is unpredicted?
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SportsFan581
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Deleted member 779727
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This thread is turning into a mental asylum
Metroiddarks
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Also could be because any insider has a source or works in SIE if is true Sony has a more poweful devlkit for first parties could happen they have the same gpu and cpu but with higher clock exactly as Nintendo works.
Regarding xbox is where I have a problem if they follow a similar strategy why told us 12 TF for the new XSX if is probably the CU count could be little higher (54 vs 56 for example) if they can clock enough to get 13 TF is because they are not sure if is necessary to expend that price for better cooler or quality in the gpu (for the silicon lottery).
Basically looks like even MIcrosoft is not sure if XSX is more powerfull than PS5 just looks that marketing (our most powefull console).
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