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[Stuart360]

You mean that PC game? Good for PC gamers, it's a simulator not a real game though, good for academic studying and so. Most likely you need to be professionally skilled to even fly one plane. So far, not announced on Xbox Series X. Did any game even play on Xbox Series X? No game officially runs so far as far as we know besides that minecraft demo, Gears 5, State of Decay 2, Ori and current Forza.

Actually Phil already confirmed Flight Simulator coming to XSX. And the game has tons of options for accessabiltiy. You can even turn off most of the simulation aspect and just pick a plane and explore the world.
No need to put the game down because it shits on everything shown so far graphically.

 

[Thirty7ven]

People talking trash about EA aren't paying attention.

If Jedi Fallen Order were a Xbox Studios game, people would be going apeshit over it. They made Battlefield take a break and kept supporting Battlefield 5. Apex Legends is great. They have delayed games when before they would opt for the cash grab. The CEO has committed to brand new IP.

And it's EA, they will release the games on more platforms. Wanting WB to be bought by MS or Sony or Nintendo is just a fanboy dream to win console wars, not to mention that WB's worth is measured on IPs that would remain "theirs".

Actually Phil already confirmed Flight Simulator coming to XSX. And the game has tons of options for accessabiltiy. You can even turn off most of the simulation aspect and just pick a plane and explore thew world.
No need to put the game down because it shits on everything shown so far graphically.

Please, if this were Farming Simulator or Train Simulator nobody would care.

Shit is barely a game.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Actually Phil already confirmed Flight Simulator coming to XSX. And the game has tons of options for accessabiltiy. You can even turn off most of the simulation aspect and just pick a plane and explore thew world.
No need to put the game down because it shits on everything shown so far graphically.

Come back when it's running on XSX to see how it looks on the console, plus let us know about the sales of it on XSX as well to know how "gamers" are excited about flying around and doing nothing.

 

[eastwood333]

No. No one implied that before like you made up and no one is claiming that now

It's simply having fun at your expense

So how am i going to continue digging holes for myself like you all claim i have done with Halo Infinite?

 

[iamvin22]

All aboard, ain't got a clue where we going

Ticket please

 

[Stuart360]

Come back when it's running on XSX to see how it looks on the console, plus let us know about the sales of it on XSX as well to know how "gamers" are excited about flying around and doing nothing.

Well i'll be one of them, on PC. If you dont like flying games, thats cool, but it doesnt mean you can pretend it doesnt exist so you can keep creaming over Halo and pretend no other game exists on XSX.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

I mean, are you implying that Hellblade2, Forza, Everwild, The Initiatives new game, Avowed, Fable,The Coalitions new game etc(all are confirmed to be XSX/PC)are going to somehow lead to the same situation Halo Infinite is in? Otherwise, what other holes are you referring to?

We talked about it before, we know the machine is capable of a LOT more than Halo Infinite, but we were told the game was built natively for XSX and the hold back thing was just a meme and well, we now know that wasn't true.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I mean, are you implying that Hellblade2, Forza, Everwild, The Initiatives new game, Avowed, Fable,The Coalitions new game etc(all are confirmed to be XSX/PC)are going to somehow lead to the same situation Halo Infinite is in? Otherwise, what other holes are you referring to?

And all of these games had CGI trailers. No one knows anything about the above games to say if they are going to be visually better than anything else on PS5. That is the problem here and is what you posted in many threads before the Xbox reveal. On top of that you claimed PS5 games looked cross gen. You set yourself up for the fail.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well i'll be one of them, on PC. If you dont like flying games, thats cool, but it doesnt mean you can pretend it doesnt exist so you can keep creaming over Halo and pretend no other game exists on XSX.

Halo doesn't exist on XSX up to this date as well, in case you're not aware. Come back with the XSX version when it's officially running on the console.

 

[bitbydeath]

Actually Phil already confirmed Flight Simulator coming to XSX. And the game has tons of options for accessabiltiy. You can even turn off most of the simulation aspect and just pick a plane and explore the world.
No need to put the game down because it shits on everything shown so far graphically.

Erica is better graphically speaking.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

People talking trash about EA aren't paying attention.

If Jedi Fallen Order were a Xbox Studios game, people would be going apeshit over it. They made Battlefield take a break and kept supporting Battlefield 5. Apex Legends is great. They have delayed games when before they would opt for the cash grab. The CEO has committed to brand new IP.

And it's EA, they will release the games on more platforms. Wanting WB to be bought by MS or Sony or Nintendo is just a fanboy dream to win console wars, not to mention that WB's worth is measured on IPs that would remain "theirs".




Please, if this were Farming Simulator nobody would care.

Shit is barely a game.

I trust they will be better with EA.

 

[BGs]

Is any seat free with VR?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Erica is better graphically speaking.

Is Erica not like a live action movie or something? That can't be real time graphics, i mean shit. It just can't be.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So how am i going to continue digging holes for myself like you all claim i have done with Halo Infinite?

You're doing it now trying to downplay the graphical showcase that we saw from the PS5 showcase

 

[Nikana]

The mental gymnastics in this thread is something else.

 

[Nowcry]

Flight Simulator is a very special simulation game, its audience is very special and in general quite demanding with simulations and realism.

Flight Simulator will have VR support and possibly custom controls on the market. The Xbox version will not support VR and probably not the custom controls.

Without these devices the game loses many integers in terms of entertainment and playing it on a console I do not think it is excessively fun.

Even so we have not yet been able to see anything running in SX, nor Flight Simulator therefore we do not know how it will look graphically. For now, we just have to wait until we can see something move in SX, here we are eager to see any improvement that XVA can make, the Tflops we have seen a lot on PC.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

In other news, Star Wars Squadrons will be playable on PS5 and XSX but it won't have any upgrades to take advantage of the machines.

 

[eastwood333]

And all of these games had CGI trailers. No one knows anything about the above games to say if they are going to be visually better than anything else on PS5. That is the problem here and is what you posted in many threads before the Xbox reveal. On top of that you claimed PS5 games looked cross gen. You set yourself up for the fail.

Most of the games at the sony event did look cross gen. I don't think most would argue that, whether most of what MS showed was only cinematics or not. That's simply due to games not being ready. Sony had games ready and they looked cross gen to me and to many others.

 

[bitbydeath]

Is Erica not like a live action movie or something? That can't be real time graphics, i mean shit. It just can't be.

Yeah, it's live action which is no different to Flight Sim streaming in live data.

 

[Stuart360]

In other news, Star Wars Squadrons will be playable on PS5 and XSX but it won't have any upgrades to take advantage of the machines.

Man not even a simple 4k/60 mode?, jeez.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The mental gymnastics in this thread is something else.

Share your intelligence.

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah, it's live action which is no different to Flight Sim streaming in live data.

Unfortunately we dont have 10,000gb ssd's yet. If you want the whole planet to explore, you have to store most of the data 'off site'.

 

[bitbydeath]

Unfortunately we dont have 10,000gb ssd's yet. If you want the whole planet to explore, you have to store most of the data 'off site'.

I'm not arguing that. My point was that this won't be the standard of graphics you can expect for next-gen. This is specific to these types of games.

 

[Nikana]

Share your intelligence.

You got in game trailers being claimed as cut scenes because there's no HUD

Games doesn't exist on XSX.

And simulation games aren't games anymore.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Unfortunately we dont have 10,000gb ssd's yet. If you want the whole planet to explore, you have to store most of the data 'off site'.

"However, a generational leap in fidelity obvious comes at a cost. On a Ryzen 9 3900X with an RTX 2080 Ti, ultra settings at 4K means frame-rates in 30-40fps territory for most of the time. Variability in frame-rate depends on how close to the ground you are, or how close to the clouds you get. The cloud system, for example, is very heavy on the GPU, while low altitude flying at ultra is more CPU-intensive, to say the least. But fear not, because Flight Simulator scales very well both on the GPU and CPU, based upon various graphics options they offer here."





Good luck with XSX.

 

[eastwood333]

Halo doesn't exist on XSX up to this date as well, in case you're not aware. Come back with the XSX version when it's officially running on the console.

Wether it is or not, doesn't change the fact that 12tf at sustained performance trumps 10.2 tf with variable clocks. And XSX 1st party games like Hellblade 2, Fable, Forza, Everwild, Avowed, The Coalition new game, The Initiative game, will come out in the future and will take full advantage of XSX. You all can rip on MS for games not being ready to be shown on XSX all you want, but that won't last forever. At some point soon, DF head to heads will happen.

 

[eastwood333]

"However, a generational leap in fidelity obvious comes at a cost. On a Ryzen 9 3900X with an RTX 2080 Ti, ultra settings at 4K means frame-rates in 30-40fps territory for most of the time. Variability in frame-rate depends on how close to the ground you are, or how close to the clouds you get. The cloud system, for example, is very heavy on the GPU, while low altitude flying at ultra is more CPU-intensive, to say the least. But fear not, because Flight Simulator scales very well both on the GPU and CPU, based upon various graphics options they offer here."





Good luck with XSX.

1440p- 30fps on medium settings is my guess. Which should still surpass the cross gen looking games at the sony event. The bar isn't exactly high. Now mention Halo Infinite again, cause you guys got nothing else to downplay the more powerful console other than a cross gen game built for a 1.3 tf box.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You got in game trailers being claimed as cut scenes because there's no HUD

Games doesn't exist on XSX.

And simulation games aren't games anymore.

1- In game trailers are mosly representative of the final game, especially if it's running on the hardware.
2- So far none of the events confirm games running on actually XSX hardware, all are PC.
3- Flying sims are there and you barely hear about them, it has a special audience that are mostly skilled in flying some kind of planes. It'll be a huge thing for flight academies to teach flying virtually. If you consider that a game, then that's fine.

 

[Freeman]

Actually Phil already confirmed Flight Simulator coming to XSX. And the game has tons of options for accessabiltiy. You can even turn off most of the simulation aspect and just pick a plane and explore the world.
No need to put the game down because it shits on everything shown so far graphically.

He also confirmed Xbox One VR and it never happened.

 

[Stuart360]

"However, a generational leap in fidelity obvious comes at a cost. On a Ryzen 9 3900X with an RTX 2080 Ti, ultra settings at 4K means frame-rates in 30-40fps territory for most of the time. Variability in frame-rate depends on how close to the ground you are, or how close to the clouds you get. The cloud system, for example, is very heavy on the GPU, while low altitude flying at ultra is more CPU-intensive, to say the least. But fear not, because Flight Simulator scales very well both on the GPU and CPU, based upon various graphics options they offer here."





Good luck with XSX.

Exactly, and there is a lot of games that a 2080ti can struggle to hit 60fps at 4k, which is why its silly how you lot mock a 4k/60 game so much.
Anyway i dont really know what any of that has to do with what i said. I'll be playing on my PC in a couple of weeks, and i'll be locking to 30fps no doubt so i can get that next gen goodies.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

1440p- 30fps on medium settings is my guess. Which should still surpass the cross gen looking games at the sony event. The bar isn't exactly high. Now mention Halo Infinite again, cause you guys got nothing else to downplay the more powerful console other than a cross gen game built for a 1.3 tf box.

You can stop derailing now

 

[bitbydeath]

At some point soon, DF head to heads will happen.

If Xbox doesn't take a large lead here will you accept it or claim Sony paid all the devs off?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

"However, a generational leap in fidelity obvious comes at a cost. On a Ryzen 9 3900X with an RTX 2080 Ti, ultra settings at 4K means frame-rates in 30-40fps territory for most of the time. Variability in frame-rate depends on how close to the ground you are, or how close to the clouds you get. The cloud system, for example, is very heavy on the GPU, while low altitude flying at ultra is more CPU-intensive, to say the least. But fear not, because Flight Simulator scales very well both on the GPU and CPU, based upon various graphics options they offer here."





Good luck with XSX.

Jesus, its almost crippling a 2080Ti.

This will be interesting to compare to Xbox Series X footage when its out.

Still find myself enjoying watching gameplay of this on youtube since i'll never put down thousands of $$$ for a monster PC to play this.

 

[Stuart360]

He also confirmed Xbox One VR and it never happened.

Got a link for that?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Exactly, and there is a lot of games that a 2080ti can struggle to hit 60fps at 4k, which is why its silly how you lot mock a 4k/60 game so much.
Anyway i dont really know what any of that has to do with what i said. I'll be playing on my PC in a couple of weeks, and i'll be locking to 30fps no doubt so i can get that next gen goodies.

I hope you enjoy it then, that has to do with those screenshots and videos around are the extreme maximum graphics possible. As it seems, it's pretty demanding on PC, so it's better to wait and see how it'll look on XSX before counting it in.

 

[Thirty7ven]

And simulation games aren't games anymore.

They are games. But there are simulators and then there are simulators. Flying over dead worlds, however pretty they might be, they are still dead. It's still just a plane cruising around. There's so little going on... it's throwing everything it has to the little it does.

Trying to turn Flying Simulator into a XSX bastion for graphics, and a benchmark for which other games are measured reeks of desperation.

 

[Nikana]

1- In game trailers are mosly representative of the final game, especially if it's running on the hardware.
2- So far none of the events confirm games running on actually XSX hardware, all are PC.
3- Flying sims are there and you barely hear about them, it has a special audience that mostly skilled in flying some kind of planes, it it'll be a huge thing for flight academies to teach flying virtually. If you consider that a game, then that's fine.

1. I'm well aware of what an in game trailer is. I don't need your lesson. The people trying to downplay spiderman and horizon need a wake up call.

2. So because they show PC versions we are pretending XSX version don't exist? So when Microsodt showed off games at e3 2013 before the Xbox one release that meant they clearly didn't have the games ready for launch.

3. It doesn't matter if a game is for a small audience or 300 million people. By this logic. GT7, Forza, MLB the show, Fifa are all not games.

 

[TGO]

Plenty of Room still

 

[Hawking Radiation]

You can stop derailing now

He's already on life support in the forum yet he still continues in this way.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Wether it is or not, doesn't change the fact that 12tf at sustained performance trumps 10.2 tf with variable clocks. And XSX 1st party games like Hellblade 2, Fable, Forza, Everwild, Avowed, The Coalition new game, The Initiative game, will come out in the future and will take full advantage of XSX. You all can rip on MS for games not being ready to be shown on XSX all you want, but that won't last forever. At some point soon, DF head to heads will happen.

It's better when you start showing actual games running in real time on XSX, so far what's representative of Xbox Series X is quite embarrassing and struggling to sustain 4K with VRS compensating for it down to 720p partially.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Jesus, its almost crippling a 2080Ti.

This will be interesting to compare to Xbox Series X footage when its out.

Still find myself enjoying watching gameplay of this on youtube since i'll never put down thousands of $$$ for a monster PC to play this.

Yea, it is by far going to be the best looking next-gen title released and won't be surpassed for awhile.

FS is absolutely a flight sim. It's not a game as others have said, but that doesn't detract that it's doing some of the most sophisticated rendering techniques I've ever seen in a realtime scenario. And yes, it can be compared to regular games since all games are essentially realtime systems at their core.

 

[Nikana]

They are games. But there are simulators and then there are simulators. Flying over dead worlds, however pretty they might be, they are still dead. It's still just a plane cruising around. There's so little going on... it's throwing everything it has to the little it does.

Trying to turn Flying Simulator into a XSX bastion for graphics, and a benchmark for which other games are measured reeks of desperation.

So we are now trying to down a game that's a simulation due to the nature of the simulation topic?

Fifa is just guys running back and forth. Forza is just driving in Circles. MLB the show is just baseball.

It's the nature of the word "simulation."

By this logic Forza, GT7, MLB the Show all should never be praised for the graphics. MLB the show is just a field. Forza is just a track.

 

[Freeman]

Got a link for that?

Phil Spencer: Xbox One X supports virtual reality

The head of Microsoft's video game unit tells CNET the new console is VR-capable.

www.cnet.com

Xbox Scorpio VR is a thing, just not yet

How much? When will it happen?

www.polygon.com

Microsoft says it’s no longer planning VR support on Xbox

Microsoft says it has no Xbox-specific plans for virtual or mixed reality, reversing an earlier commitment to putting VR on its gaming console.

www.theverge.com

Over-promising and under-delivering, classic Phil.

 

[Great Hair]

Looks like W10 Store is still a broken mess.

 

[Ellery]

Plenty of Room still

A spot next to Kate Beckinsale please. The odds of being next to her matching the odds of an actual worthy Silent Hill effort from Konami so I get that double disappointment upon crashing.

 

[Stuart360]

I hope you enjoy it then, that has to do with those screenshots and videos around are the extreme maximum graphics possible. As it seems, it's pretty demanding on PC, so it's better to wait and see how it'll look on XSX before counting it in.

To be fair, even on 'medium' settings it still looks very similar (it shows it in the video). In fact the only difference i could really se was some pop in on the mountains in the distance. I'm sure XSX will have a bit of that.
There are a lot of games on PC where its almost impossible to see a difference when going from high to ultra. Often devs use Ultra as future proofing

 

[Darklor01]

Wether it is or not, doesn't change the fact that 12tf at sustained performance trumps 10.2 tf with variable clocks. And XSX 1st party games like Hellblade 2, Fable, Forza, Everwild, Avowed, The Coalition new game, The Initiative game, will come out in the future and will take full advantage of XSX. You all can rip on MS for games not being ready to be shown on XSX all you want, but that won't last forever. At some point soon, DF head to heads will happen.

I think you're beating a dead horse. Everyone knows the XSX is more powerful hardware. Games running on both systems will likely show that the XSX will run the games better in various areas, especially when it comes to Ray Tracing. I don't think anyone disputes this.

The power differences are just not as big as some want to make them out to be. This is not David vs. Goliath shit.

Why start discussions to fight to prove something which A) Currently can't be proven B) Will likely be proven, as expect by most reasonable people ??

The XSX hardware with one exception is more powerful. End of list. Enjoy the system you like. Don't give a flying fuck what people trying to goad you into something say. None of it matters anyway.

Those buying a PS5 will enjoy it. Those buying an XSX will enjoy it. Those buying both will enjoy them. Those with a high end PC will tell you what you think is real power isn't. Life goes on.

 

[VFXVeteran]

So we are now trying to down a game that's a simulation due to the nature of the simulation topic?

Fifa is just guys running back and forth. Forza is just driving in Circles. MLB the show is just baseball.

It's the nature of the word "simulation."

By this logic Forza, GT7, MLB the Show all should never be praised for the graphics. MLB the show is just a field. Forza is just a track.

Yea, I don't understand the dismissal of the sim being compared.

 

[eastwood333]

You're doing it now trying to downplay the graphical showcase that we saw from the PS5 showcase

Stating the obvious is not digging a hole. That opinion is widespread. Nothing from the sony event came close to that UE5 demo. We saw games that looked like they could run on current gen consoles with certain things downscaled.

I'd argue that you guys are digging yourselves into holes when the DF head to heads come out and when MS 1st party games taking full advantage of XSX are finally ready to be shown.

 

[Nikana]

Yea, I don't understand the dismissal of the sim being compared.

Simulation used to be THE way to show off graphical features and evolution of tech and now it's not even a game?