Vroadstar
Member
Indeed, funny thing when he was in the other forum, he simply can't hang with the actual devs there when he was spouting the same BS, folded like a dog every time. He was banned there promptly.
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Indeed, funny thing when he was in the other forum, he simply can't hang with the actual devs there when he was spouting the same BS, folded like a dog every time. He was banned there promptly.
Neo Blaster
Member
He's being reported for flooding and derailing the thread with console warring, it's that simple.
VFXVeteran
Banned
NT developed the demo.. was produced by Epic. In a game you have production and development. Very similar to film.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
In-engine vs in-game
GreyHand23
Member
So it was real time on PC? Impressive, but still doesn't tell us what a Series X can do.
Defrop
Banned
lulz
Well I bookmarked some of VFX Veterans posts so I could come back to it and I found a lot of BS to be honest.
(Sorry dark mode users)
Well we already know what here is BS such as there being only one version of the PS5 and that Legendz game and the games that were not teased at the PS5 event.
Okay so according to the perfect insider we have two PS5 models one being the base PS5 at 9TF and the PS5 Pro which will rival the 12TF XSX. But also the PS5 Pro is coming out at launch ... but he has no dates for when the PS5 Pro will launch.
Okay so now the perfect insider tells us that the PS5 pro which is launching at the same time as the base PS5 which is launching in 2020 might be launching two years after the base PS5 which is a massive contradiction. He also tells us that this mysterious PS5 Pro and the XSX might cost as high as $800 which is obviously bullshit. Also it doesn't make sense for this hypothetical PS5 Pro to be less powerful than the XSX if there is a two year gap between the two.
Now you may be wondering what did VFX say after the PS5 spec reveal.
If your wondering what Mr Perfect is saying here is that the 10.28TF PS5 is probably the PS5 Pro version he was talking about before
Anyways you can see for yourself above what he has said but I don't know about you guys but I'm coming to the conclusion he is just another fraud insider like Tommy and O'dium and Osiris and whoever else has come along with insider information.
Sorry for the long post but most of you guys probably scrolled past anyways
There is a word for someone who in the face of evidence still repeats the same bald faced lie.
You wrote "My sources verified to me on the phone that everything this guy mentions is 100% true" "PS5=9TFLOPS and XSX 10TFLOPS"
In what world is that accurate? PS5 reveal date was wrong, release date is unverified, price is unkown but has been speculated to be $499, launch games are unknown but MLB is a yearly franchise, GT7 rumored for a long time and some have speculated a late 2020 or early 2021 release Demon Souls remake has been rumored for a long time various thread on this forum about it, Godfall is a known launch titlee, Legendz was not shown or teased, Horizon Zero dawn was 2 was known and expected for a while, no Spidernan 2 and PS5 slogan is Play Has No Limits. What exactly is accurate when majority of the above have been proven false and those that seem plausible were speculations and rumors that have been going around for a while.
You said there will be 2 PS5 SKU revealed and one would be the Pro and more powerful than the other and that is false. Then the story changed to this one released is the pro and you don't believe a pro will be released 2 - 3yrs after. Xbox lockhart had been rumored since GPU codenames were found in driver updates.
Now you say it was a mistranslation. For the record i think we will see another mid gen refresh so you don't get to claim that is what you meant.
Xbox Series X and PS5 Pro =800$
You are full of it. Last time i called you out then you started changing your story.
You
Less than 10TFLOPS in AMD numbers you said
Someone said
And you said
This is enough evidence that you claimed next gen consoles will not be more than 1080 performance and less than 10TFLOPS
Story changes from 1080 to between 1080 and 1080Ti
Oh but you are redeemed because PS5 is really only just 9TF
Lmao
Do you really need somebody to spell out for you how much bollocks you wrote? OK, fine, I have some time anyway.
31- 01 - 2020:
- PS5 event in February - WRONG
- PS5 release in October - still UNKNOWN
- PS5 at $499, one model - price part still UNKNOWN, second part WRONG
- Launch games are GT7, MLB The Show 21, Demon's Souls Remastered, Godfall, Legendz - as far as we can tell and all logic now suggests you got 1/5, congratulation. So mostly WRONG
- Teasers for Horizon 2, Spider-Man sequel, 3 new IPs, FF XVI, RE - if we count Miles Morales as a sequel, 3/7 of those you mentioned are confirmed to exist. Let's say UNKNOWN so far?
- PS5 almost on par with XSX, XSX more espensive, XSS worse than PS5 - we don't know the prices, but the rest is CORRECT
- PS5 slogan is "It's time to play" - WRONG, it's actually "Play has no limits"
25 - 02 -2020:
- Base consoles and "mid-gen refreshes" will both be "introduced" at launch for both PS5 and Xbox - First of all, by pure definition a launch console won't be a "mid-gen" refresh, so that makes no sense to begin with. Or why "introducing" a mid-gen console at launch would "cover the whole 7 years cycle" any better than not doing it? However, we don't know yet if Lockhart will really release in 2020, but assuming that is true and being generous on the terminology let's say that it's CORRECT for Microsoft. Still WRONG for Sony. Also, here we have your first unexplained CONTRADICTION (a month earlier you said there's just one PS5)
- One PS5 is 9TF, the other one is to "compete with SXS" - No matter what you are going to call the one real PS5 we are getting, since you are measuring stuff in TFLOPS this is WRONG (PS5 is not 9TF, but neither it's close to XSX's 12).
- Top 2 consoles will be around $600 - I and any industry analyst I read seriously doubt that, but to be fair so far it's still UNKNOWN
- No date for PS5 release - Let's assume you meant "base" PS5 comes out in October, so no contradiction there. But since there is no PS5 Pro (and you yourself will go on to say that what we get now IS the PS5 Pro), there is either your CONTRADICTION or where you are WRONG
- XSX = PS5 Pro > PS5 > Lockhart - there is no PS5 and PS5 Pro, so by virtue of that automatically WRONG
- XSX and PS5 "Pro" could cost up to $800 - technically still UNKNOWN, even though by any possible solid data and estimate we now have this sounds like sheer lunacy. Also, you JUST SAID, THAT VERY DAY, YOU THINK THEY WOULD COST $600. That's $200 dollars, how the hell can you be told one figure and then assume another one so different. So here is another CONTRADICTION.
- PS5 Pro might come out only in 2022 - I don't know, it might? But you will say that this PS5 we are now getting is the Pro? So WRONG?
18 - 03 -2020:
- Now the actual PS5 is what you called the PS5 Pro, there is still also an unannounced base PS5, and they are both coming out in 2020 - congratulations, you managed both to be almost certainly WRONG (99% by now now we know there is not another, less powerful PS5) and to CONTRADICT your earlier statement (PS5 Pro is years in the making) in one single take.
So to conclude, in regards to PS5 in particular you were not just wrong: you managed to be so wrong that you gave THREE completely different stories and you STILL pigeon-holed (no intentional references
I'm gonna be very blunt: based on this track record, I'd rather hear what you have to say and then bet on the exact opposite. Because you were not just wrong, you were statistics-wise abnormally wrong.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I got banned there because mods didn't appreciate me stirring the hornets nest because they were fanboys. Seems like I did that here just by speaking logically. Had nothing to do with me not "hanging" with devs.
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Freeman
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If you are saying it... sounds weird to me that Epic would be producing a demo on Unreal 4 to sell the Series X, for a studios working on it's own IP and owned by MS. Then Epic went and made a Unreal 5 demo themselves to show on the PS5 a few months later.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
derailing what? a hype train sign up?
let's let the discussion flow. we have been banned before for mass reporting. i would hate to see this thread locked again just because some posters didnt like whats being discussed. use the ignore feature and let the discussion end at its own momentum.
Neo Blaster
Member
Dude, the guy has been flooding the thread with console warring for 7 pages, suddenly nobody is talking about anything else, ignore is useless in this case. If anything, it's the mess he caused that would make the mods lock the thread again.
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Kingthrash
Member
I think we may very different definitions of 'adult'.
Your videos fill a niche, I'm sure, so more power to you. If the one I saw is typical then you're preaching to, and for, an already fully-converted fanboy audience - and only that audience, complete with unjustified anti-Sony conspiracy theories about DF.
In my opinion, you're certainly not 'leagues above' places like Digital Foundry, or the like. It's an unfair comparison though as you're not really even in the same field, they do analysis, you pander to a particular fan with the same mindset as you. There's lots of 'em, so you should do well.
You claim to represent 'REAL gamers' and 'gamers who accept what it is to be a gamer and are proud of it.' However I'm a 'REAL gamer' (whatever the fuck that is), have been for decades and probably have more gaming experience than you.
You certainly don't represent me.
That said, the internet is full of stuff that isn't for me. I sincerely wish you well with your channel. Judging by the numbers on this site, you won't go short of fellow believers.
(EDIT: originally had a completely unrelated quote at the top of this reply, apologies!)
Oh....so you are under the impression that DF does analysis...that must be it...lol
This isn't my first rodeo with DF...in fact I myself had them admit they dont do analysis....they do more of a presentation as they talk about what they are told by the devs, they dont analyze.
So yeah, leagues ahead as I actually analyze vids by eye, not by script provided by the devs....
But hey its always best to talk about shit and not know shit..
Enjoy DF...you like bullshit analysis then that all you, no judgment here.
I'll be making sure to cut through the bullshit so gamers can know whats really going on in gaming.
VFXVeteran
Banned
1.) There are so many accusations in those posts that weren't even mine to begin with. 2) What are you trying to prove by trying to bring up irrelevant claims that my sources didn't 'pin' down correctly at the time? Was it not closer to fact than the 20TFLOPS, 86-core CPU, 192G of RAM, console predictions? Or how about Horizon:ZD coming to PC? What about the low-end spec GPU that compares to the 1080-1080Ti nicely that everyone hated coming from my mouth? Will every single post turn into some pissing match because people don't like what they are hearing? It's so funny how you guys resort to claiming me as 'fake' or being shown up by some devs or being banned on REE, etc..
It just points to the fact that what I say, people don't like hearing but can't prove me wrong. Again, when you have nothing to refute me on with actual graphical tech, I get these snide remarks in an attempt to push me out of the thread.
VFXVeteran
Banned
There was console warring before I got here. Go back a few pages and see how E eastwood333 was getting slammed over his enthusiasm over his Xbox.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
So the Hellblade 2 trailer was one of those real time Unreal Engine demos?
Like Samaritan, Elemental and Infiltrator?
Like Samaritan, Elemental and Infiltrator?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i really dont think it's logical to claim that the PC version of Horizon and PS5 version of Horizon looking similar just because one game is 4k 60 fps and the other is 4k 30 fps, and just because they have interactive foliage.
Horizon is doing so much more it's mind boggling to see how someone with vfx experiece will think these games even remotely look similar.
Watch that video, now look at these gifs. You brought up interactive foliage, but ignore better character model, better foliage, better water, better simulation, better eco systems, better cloud simulation, better everything. And again, i am comparing this to the better PC version which got better reflections, interactive foliage and all that other stuff that comes with PC games you hold so dear.
I cannot comprehend the logic behind this. Especially after you made such a big deal about the paltry upgrades of the PC version.
Vroadstar
Member
That's your OP film guy, and when corrected with your FUD spreading takes by people who actually work in game dev, you always folded like a dog with his tail between legs. That's why you were banned.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
You were constantly talking shit about PS4 exclusives and their tech. You even had a little strop because God of War won GOTY
VFXVeteran
Banned
i really dont think it's logical to claim that the PC version of Horizon and PS5 version of Horizon looking similar just because one game is 4k 60 fps and the other is 4k 30 fps, and just because they have interactive foliage.
Horizon is doing so much more it's mind boggling to see how someone with vfx experiece will think these games even remotely look similar.
Watch that video, now look at these gifs. You brought up interactive foliage, but ignore better character model, better foliage, better water, better simulation, better eco systems, better cloud simulation, better everything. And again, i am comparing this to the better PC version which got better reflections, interactive foliage and all that other stuff that comes with PC games you hold so dear.
I cannot comprehend the logic behind this. Especially after you made such a big deal about the paltry upgrades of the PC version.
Dude, you are looking at Cinematic footage and comparing it to what? I won't know what Horizon 2 is doing until it reaches my hands and I get to play with it. You are looking at video footage and not processing how what you are seeing is being done in the computer in technical terms.
Apollo Helios
Member
Derailing with trolling is derailing, doesn't matter what the discussion was before and you just don't get that, after they started instant flooding with quick replies and every post goal posts move and every valid point get ignored for a new flood, it is derailing... what is the discussion than I ask you, cause we had 25 different topics being discussed in just a few pages, every time a response come their way that they don't like, it is like 'oh look another bird on the sky, believe me this time' and so on every time, and honestly fuck that, that is the definition of derailing when there is nothing to genuinely discuss and it is all distraction. Distraction that Halo Infinite sucked and it was to be their beacon of Hope for months to come, announcing Series X as clear winner when both are not even released, so they got robbed of their talking topics. Now they are trolling and derailing and burning themselves as long as that others and this thread burn with them, they don't care, they can get another account and move on. So people should just stop engaging once their true intentions revealed and actually not be afraid of reporting in fear of getting banned themselves, if that happens there is truly no hope for this forum.
Metroiddarks
Member
Yes but was running in PC almost sure with similar specs than XSX.... yeah sure similar
But not even then was 4k and was in 24 fps ... just like a movie.
VFXVeteran
Banned
What are you talking about? Spreading what FUD? What specifically did game devs "show me the ropes" on and I folded like a dog? Rendering techniques? I'd love to see those posts.
DrDamn
Member
Yes but was running in PC almost sure with similar specs than XSX.... yeah sure similar
But not even then was 4k and was in 24 fps ... just like a movie.
And bingo this was the point we were gently being steered toward. If not even Halo is being demoed on XSX in July 2020 then the HB2 trailer in December 2019 was absolutely running on PC hardware.
TLZ
Banned
No Craig no hype bruh.Fixed the hypetrain I posted
VFXVeteran
Banned
Start with page 2584 and read from there. Tell me that wasn't a complete and utter ridiculous tag team event on a dude that was defending a game he liked. He then started talking about FS2020 and got hammered because of that. Then tell me that I came in this thread and just started trolling people. You'll see that people started getting salty with my comments about the current subject at hand and then we go to me being banned and being a fake insider, etc.. etc.. If anything the dudes that started a hissy fit should be banned from the thread. They are the real reason for the derailment.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wait wait wait. You wont know what horizon 2 is doing until it reaches your hands then why were you going on and on about Horizon's PC version looking better before it was even announced? this is a bullshit argument. Your eyes can see that Horizon 2 looks better but you simply cannot say the words because you simply cant admit you were wrong.
Again realtime cinematics are a good barometer for ingame graphics. Anyone who has played a single game with realtime cutscenes will tell you that they do look better but they also look pretty close to in game graphics.
The trailer i linked has plenty of cutscene footage. Lets compare cutscene footage to cutscene footage and see who comes out on top. It's not even close.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Bruh. You and I have known each other for awhile now. You've admitted to me about some things that I mentioned to come true. You know that I bring value to a discussion concerning graphics. Why should we talk about this Horizon 2 over cinematics. You know that you guys have used that over and over again to win an argument. I'm not a judge of cinematics. You know I've always preached gameplay graphics.
They are not because they scale down the fidelity too much it's distracting. Every single game I've played shows this.
Let's just revisit later man.
Vroadstar
Member
Here let me help you with one, from your embarrassing B3D days. I've been here long enough that I've seen you around, always making bold claims and fud and proven wrong by actual "veterans" and some not some pretend authority in graphics.
with all respect you are not a real-time graphics programmer your career is about offline renderers, you have made claims before in beyond3d just to be immediately proven wrong by screen shots, you are appealing to yourself as authority when your career doesnt make you more competent than NX Gamer and especially with your background in beyond3d where you have a reputation of "frequently make bold claims about things you are often proven wrong about"
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Do what you like. All I know is what happened last time, and admins made it pretty clear that we wont get a second chance if we kept abusing the report system.
I hate them moving the goalposts just as much as everyone else, but their arguments are so easy to tear apart i really dont have a problem dissecting them. They might not admit it but anyone reading will see how flimsy their argument is. If you ban them, they go away and you no longer have them on the record to go back to later.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Actually start with 2583 for a more accurate picture
Eastwood doesn't need you to defend him. He knew what he was starting
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I will have to completely disagree with you bring value to a discussion concerning graphics. Everything you've said regarding graphics has been so ridiculous it boggles my mind. I remember you creating threads listing PC games that were supposedly going to be on par with next gen games, and the PS5 conference proved that it simply isnt true. you are now hiding behind the fact that sony didnt show some gameplay so ok, we will see when sony reveals the gameplay of their AAA games. as far as i am concerned, you live to die another day.
You were closer than the other insiders, but you werent accurate. you said the ps5 was 9 tflops before the conference, so technically you were far closer to the final number than the 13 tflops jerkwads on this board, but I wouldnt say your predictions came true. PS5 is far more powerful than a 1080 or even your revised 1080 Ti since it has hardware ray tracing and 1080 ti doesnt.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Dude.. let me set you straight on this one last time. Beyond3D was years and years ago before I got any realtime experience. I have since moved on and taken the John Carmack route to realtime military sims. Today, most film companies use realtime rendering in their respective lighting departments. Look at Pixar and what they've done with their realtime renderer. Basically times a change so stop with the bullshit. Time passes on and people get smarter and more knowledgeable. Any more attempts at trying to bring this up over and over again will be brought to
Bill O'Rights
. It's just trolling me today based on some years old event.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Sorry you feel that way.
Your opinion is why what I say boggles your mind. You should take a step back and realize that my eyes and experience isn't yours. My knowledge of how graphics work isn't yours. My contacts in the industry isn't yours. Stop thinking that you are right and I'm wrong. Be more open to learning and trying to see someone else's opinion.
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Vroadstar
Member
Exactly my point, when you are proven wrong with your bold claims, your ego is too big you won't admit it, you just tucked in with your tail behind your legs. B3D, Era, Gaf, if your one thing, you're consistently wrong. your shtick is up
TLZ
Banned
VFXVeteran
Banned
You know.. it's funny because I forgot to mention.. what do YOU have to bring to the discussion? Anything? You like to ride the coat tails of other game devs, but what can you say other than attacking my past?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I really dont think you can hide behind the opinion excuse here. we are judging graphics here, the visual upgrade here is clear as day. anyone who has been playing games through any new gen wouldve told you that PC games are always held back by consoles games until a new gen arrives and PCs finally start getting those fancy next gen graphics again.
you dont need contacts in the industry or 50 years of experience in the vfx industry to look at horizon 2 and say hey it looks better than any cutscene in PC's version of Horizon. i can show it to a 5 year old and he would be able to point out the fact that horizon 2 looks better.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Ok. You are starting to get rude man. Let's cut this short.
What specifically in that HZ2 cinematic looked above and beyond the tech that's being used in today's games now? Tell me.
As an aside, I've heard from numerous friends that PC development happens first at Naughty Dog (of all companies). Is that a lie? Is that untrue? Would they tell you that information? Do you think that FS2020 was made on the Xbox before the PC and that's why it looks so good?
That same 5yr old can be shown Trine and he'll think that looks better than HZ2. That's how your eyes are playing on you. Can you even name some other dev companies' cutscenes that were stellar before HZ2? Detroit maybe? The Order? Maybe even HZ1? Go over the differences in rendering to prove your point that it's something that is next-gen quality vs. current gen quality.
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Vroadstar
Member
You know what's funny? I don't bring FUD to discussions, I don't claim to be "the authority in game graphics", most of all, I don't flaunt my big EGO in forums. Seems unique to you.
Game devs are easy to please.. film devs not so much.
VFXVeteran
Banned
You know what's funny? I don't bring FUD to discussions, I don't claim to be "the authority in game graphics", most of all, I don't flaunt my big EGO in forums. Seems unique to you.
And that is a fact worth mentioning. Film devs work at a much higher caliber than games. That's not boasting, that's stating a fact.
So you bring nothing to the table then other than to bring up old comments and quotes that you feel stand up to the present time then to badger me with. You have said nothing of substance since you came on this thread today. You must really got some hatred for me then. Feel sorry for you.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the funniest thing about this argument is that they really believe Guerrilla Games went through the trouble of building an entire underwater eco system with thousands of fish with their own physics and A.I that knows to disperse when crocodiles swim through them just for a pre-rendered trailer only to throw it away when it came to gameplay. They went through the trouble of creating scenes of birds diving into the ocean to eat fish only for a pre-rendered cutscene. They spent god knows how many hours animating crabs just for a prerendered cutscene. they prerendered entire systems like the storm clouds, the ocean waves, and literally dozens of different environments, just to throw it all away for the actual gameplay.
VFXVeteran
Banned
yea, you're right. I'm going to go with Hellblade 2 then.. that cutscene just shows exactly how that game will look and sorry but it will destroy HZ2 in rendering.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
if hellblade 2 was realtime, they wouldve had some more new footage to show 8 months later. instead they showed some clips again. they got nothing.
But if Hellblade 2 does look like that in realtime cutscenes than yes, i would have zero qualms about saying it would look better than HZ2. i really dont see why i would be sorry about that. if a game looks better than a game looks better. i dont have a dog in this fight. i am not the one pretending horizon 2 looks similar to horizon 1.
qiqiqiiq
Member
This gives me flashbacks to people thinking Ghost of Tsushima was a PS5 game, because there was no way a game could look like that on a PS4.
GreyHand23
Member
It will also release 1-2 years after HFW and have a much smaller scope. If it doesn't look better by that point, I'd be shocked.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, I have to count myself in that crowd. With the delays and what was being shown, I was wondering if it might turn out to be a PS5 launch title in the end. Even with TLOU2, though to a lesser degree...I was thinking it was possible. With TLOU2 that was driven mostly be all the delays but with GoT it was definitely more around what had been shown with the graphics.
I'm probably about halfway thru Ghost of Tsushima now (Just playing for an hour or two a few days a week and I tend to explore EVERYTHING and do ALL side quests, so I'm a slow poke) and I'm still just so impressed with it. Runs smooth as butter, looks so fantastic that I'm still stopping in lots of areas just to look around or play with the photo mode. I'm running it on a PS4 pro (no 4k tv though) and while I can see where "next gen" could make things even better, this game is INCREDIBLE with the visuals. HZD was a lot like this in the beauty and scenery...different art style though. Parts of Tsushima have a dreamlike and surreal quality that doesn't take away from the 'realism' but just...wow. Hard to explain. VERY impressive. Between TLOU2 and Ghost...the PS4 is having one HELL of an end to the generation!
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