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Neo Blaster
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Going big definitely increased costs a lot, more CUs -> bigger die size -> smaller yields per wafer. Sony saved on die size, but let's see whether it's all gone to the SSD/controller.So, APU is around the same size as in X1X, but it will be more expensive. Oh, boy
499$ is minimum
saintjules
Gold Member
Yeah, after seeing the new info, I'd doubt seeing a mid gen refresh for this. Like what could they possibly add to a mid gen refresh with all that's going on in the Series X already? Madness.
splattered
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And cooling... and controller cost increase pack-in
BGs
Industry Professional
Don't worry. Will be really really soon.Oh i seeSo Im back to waiting for anything
splattered
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"slim" models with maybe even a small performance increase is what we will probably be getting mid generation.
cragarmi
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I expect we will just see a slightly shorter generation, maybe 6 years before PS6?. MS say they don't believe in generations, but we will see
Metroiddarks
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Neo Blaster
Member
consoles are gonna be expensive
Who is rich in here, i need a sugar daddy fast.
I am 21, blonde, huge knockers, legs all the way to heaven, a virgin honest, + a nympo. prepared to complete your achievements in spare time
going to advertise onCraigslist, no wait I hate that fucking name.
Aghh nevermind.
SportsFan581
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The one thing I had not thought about before was just how many transistors they added to the One S chip.
SportsFan581
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consoles are gonna be expensive
Who is rich in here, i need a sugar daddy fast.
I am 21, blonde, huge knockers, legs all the way to heaven, a virgin honest, + a nympo. prepared to complete your achievements in spare time
going to advertise onCraigslist, no wait I hate that fucking name.
Aghh nevermind.
I'm practicing scenarios in Pay Day 2 now. Shits about to get real.
sircaw
Banned
After 6 beers she will look like Ana de Armas, i will take two.
Deliver the goods bitch.
Nickolaidas
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MasterCornholio
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Anyone thinking the price leak was done because this was going to come out?
It's almost as if they are preparing us for the price announcement. Makes be worry about the PS5 btw.
Stuart360
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splattered
Member
Don't worry about it, just accept it... shit is going to be expensive all around unfortunately
Entroyp
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Nothing will close the I/O gap, it's too big of a difference for software techniques (which can also be implemented by the other side) to make it even close.
MasterCornholio
Member
Initially I was expecting 499$ for both but it looks like the 599$ leak could be true.
SportsFan581
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It's possible, they had some bad rumors spreading about possible cheap pricing (their own fans might have inadvertently helped with that a bit
) and felt like they needed to squash those. I've been trying to speak cheap prices into existence for a while, but, honestly, a high price isn't that much of surprise. If MS had a killer price they would've already talked about it. They probably wouldn't focus so much on payment plans either.
sircaw
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Come on Stuart,
it could be worse, that one from kingpin where woody pays for the rent.
That was vile.
MasterCornholio
will find her, i trust in his smut level lol
MasterCornholio
Member
Makes sense. I've seen some people pushing SFS and other velocity architecture tech and I was wondering if there's been any changes.
sojuwarrior
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guess no PS5 event this week since no announcement today...
MasterCornholio
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It's possible, they had some bad rumors spreading about possible cheap pricing (their own fans might have inadvertently helped with that a bit
I've been trying to speak cheap prices into existence for a while, but, honestly, a high price isn't that much of surprise. If MS had a killer price they would've already talked about it. They probably wouldn't focus so much on payment plans either.
Definitely remember there was a 399$ rumor floating around. I guess it would have been really bad news if the real price was 200$ over what people were expecting.
I know people keep making a reference to that power/price comment but I think Microsoft was talking about the two SKUs.
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Stuart360
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sircaw
Banned
fuck me that's her, keep your xbox and ps5. sorry no
Insane Metal
Member
What?? That's quite a bit more.
Entroyp
Member
Oh yea, I mean those are really cool and help out a lot but we don't know if similar techniques are already part Of the PS5 APIs.
icerock
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PHISON Electronics Corp. - PS5019-E19T
www.phison.com
This is the controller going into Series X, it's 4 channel, so I assume, they are either using four 256GiB or two 512GiB NAND flash modules to get to the 1TB storage.
Sony on the other hand are building their custom 12 channel SSD controller, from what I've read on this topic, it's expensive, but then I also remember Sony removing many of the features from a regular SSD controller which are not needed, thanks to tremendous amount of resources they must've poured in R&D. Due to higher speeds, I think they are using more NAND modules in parallel. I guess, twelve 64GiB modules to get to the 768GiB aka 825GB storage.
Now, if any of you have access to this site, https://www.dramexchange.com/ we can hazard a guess at total SSD cost. But, I imagine, it should be slightly on the higher side of PS5.
Wraith Phantom
Member
Oh shit still talking hardware. Was you expecting magical spec bump? The XSX is a suped up 1X. & it cost £600. They will take an L on both XSX & XSS.And Knock £100 of the prices. Ain't shit epic in this box its built similar to last gen boxes with new specs. No exotics. Just a plain Jane.
We know prices.
XSX/PS5= 500
PS5 DE=400
XSS=300
Can we all agree on this shit??
Xbox are taking 100-150 loss between their 2 boxes. There is no way RDNA2 cost less than PS4 pro jaguar lol. (it will go down)
PS are going to break even or make £50-100. (If we go buy £450 Bloomberg BOM) PS different level. Just recognise & respect the G.O.A.T.
We know prices.
XSX/PS5= 500
PS5 DE=400
XSS=300
Can we all agree on this shit??
Xbox are taking 100-150 loss between their 2 boxes. There is no way RDNA2 cost less than PS4 pro jaguar lol. (it will go down)
PS are going to break even or make £50-100. (If we go buy £450 Bloomberg BOM) PS different level. Just recognise & respect the G.O.A.T.
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Gamernyc78
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Nothing and don't count on it. PS5 coming in beastly.
SportsFan581
Member
Sadly and likely true. Gone are the good old days where the platform holders tossed the baby with the bathwater to get the price down. Damn Nintendo made them realize they could break even/profit on the razors and still sell the blades.
ToadMan
Member
Looking at the leaked slides there's nothing earth shattering.
They do put more meat on the bones of the notional savings on the tech - however those savings will still depend on the runtime scenario so we're still back to waiting to see some examples.
Still very little detail about direct storage ....
Maybe there will be more In the actual presentation.
zaitsu
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599 XSX, 399 XSS and 299 XOS.
PS5/DE 599/499 probably because there is no need to cut price at launch if MS has nothing to show its strenght right now. 499 and 399 is my wishfull thinking.
Red_Driver85
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splattered
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Nice to see this thread return to actual spec discussion instead of random fanboy bickering haha
DrDamn
Member
Blimey a nice info dump and some sensible discussion, well done chaps! 
The TomsHardware article said they were hard to compare as MS have peak performance and nVidia give more of an expected value? Something like that.
I think MS in particular may go for a shortened generation - 5 years not 7 for example. Because of the lower CU count we could see Sony take a PS4 Pro like approach where GPU is doubled up and CPU gets a more modest boost after 3 years.
The TomsHardware article said they were hard to compare as MS have peak performance and nVidia give more of an expected value? Something like that.
I think MS in particular may go for a shortened generation - 5 years not 7 for example. Because of the lower CU count we could see Sony take a PS4 Pro like approach where GPU is doubled up and CPU gets a more modest boost after 3 years.
ToadMan
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PHISON Electronics Corp. - PS5019-E19T
This is the controller going into Series X, it's 4 channel, so I assume, they are either using four 256GiB or two 512GiB NAND flash modules to get to the 1TB storage.
That controller is x4 Lane, while the Xsex slides say they're using x2 Lane.
So there's still some missing info.
SportsFan581
Member
To be fair they seem to have included some nice tech to increase performance of a lot of the new techniques that were not available on the 1X hardware (RT, ML, VRS, SFS, etc.). I'm not sure what more you were expecting.
They didn't talk about the virtualization features outside of that one bullet point. I still think it would be cool if XSX could run two 1S instances at once. I know the server blades can do 4, but it seems like the XSX wouldn't have the RAM to cover that.
Vaztu
Member
Due to good reason.
Everyone was waiting for new info. We got it, and will get more in 6-7 hours.
We can't discuss when we don't have new info.
Lethal01
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This is your worst? I'm about to earn everything from a ps8 to an RTX 8080. Cmere mommy
cragarmi
Member
Why were you expecting this week?
Lethal01
Banned
We still haven't seen how PS5's PRT compares tom microsoft hardware accelerates SFS which they are claiming will make their system 2.5x better on average.
Ofcourse we can't assume PS5 is worse but they have shown nothing hardware wise to say it's better.
that said Going by the Devs that are praising the PS5 over the Series X I'm expecting they aren't too far off if they are off at all.
BattleScar
Member
No. We can't agree until they tell us the price.
Lanes and channels are different...
kyliethicc
Member
For XSX, they could be using literally any size NAND. They might have just bought 1 TB density chips. Or they could be using 15 or 16 x 512 Gb modules, or anything in between. We still haven't seen what their SSD even looks like. They hid it from DF when they went hands on, which is always seemed ... odd. We still don't even know if XSX has 1 TB in decimal or 1 TiB (1024 GiB).PHISON Electronics Corp. - PS5019-E19T
This is the controller going into Series X, it's 4 channel, so I assume, they are either using four 256GiB or two 512GiB NAND flash modules to get to the 1TB storage.
Sony on the other hand are building their custom 12 channel SSD controller, from what I've read on this topic, it's expensive, but then I also remember Sony removing many of the features from a regular SSD controller which are not needed, thanks to tremendous amount of resources they must've poured in R&D. Due to higher speeds, I think they are using more NAND modules in parallel. I guess, twelve 64GiB modules to get to the 768GiB aka 825GB storage.
Now, if any of you have access to this site, https://www.dramexchange.com/ we can hazard a guess at total SSD cost. But, I imagine, it should be slightly on the higher side of PS5.
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