Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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The more and more I read the back and forth between fans of both sides, the more I remember the original War Games movie.
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Darius87 said:
fixed.
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                PS5 |  XSX
CUs              36 |  52                +30.8%
GPU Clock   2.23Ghz |  1.83Ghz           -18%
ROPs             64 |  64                 0%
TMUs           144? |  208?              +30.8%
Bandwidth   448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal)  +20%
Str.Prcs.      2304 | 3328               +30.8%
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LOL. So do the math wrong to make PS5 look better, as well as purposely leaving the -18% instead of using your new math which would be -22%.

Well, that's one way to sway a board.
 
kourooshkabir said:



idiot fanboy mode

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This tweets are full of affirming consequent (if they don't say it is because doesn't have it) and ad ignorantiam (you cannot prove if he is correct or wrong because the missing info).

1.-Both companies take RDNA 2 a customized to its specific requirements this was confirmed months ago but the people are so dense in this topic.

2.-Any memory configuration is a complete win in all scenarios.

3.-The GPU of PS5 is not OC also we are talking of RDNA 2 customized not your retail RDNA 1, the incredible is also DF did the same mistake.

4.-Both consoles use a similar technology Mesh Shader and Primitive Shader about which work better we still to early to know it, also if this guy was
consistent in his "logic" then XSX doesn't has any Mesh Shader because during the interview of demo UE 5 was never mention, now look how stupid
his logic sounds.

5.-The VRS when is too aggressive can damage the quality of your final frame in a noticeable way, just look Gears Tactics in performance mode. So at
least you want your artist scream in your face probably is not the best option, you need to be careful with this.

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6.-And its last tweets even when I am still thinking XSX will have better RT but not at the level where you will see a massive change, because now looks like Xbox
have "better" low access to its hardware when one the biggest problems for Sony in BC is because many of its games are optimized in very low level.
 
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The dream is dead?

"An official at the PlayStation unit, who asked not to be identified because the plan is not yet public, said Sony's next announcement regarding the PlayStation 5 is tentatively scheduled for this month."

Bloomberg
 
hemo memo said:
The dream is dead?

"An official at the PlayStation unit, who asked not to be identified because the plan is not yet public, said Sony's next announcement regarding the PlayStation 5 is tentatively scheduled for this month."

Bloomberg
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They could still drop something via PlayStation Blog so I wouldn't say it's dead until the month is over. However if they are planning a big event where they invite the press I would say that isn't possible at this point.
 
Randy Randerson said:
Curious if anyone knowS how Epic having access to Apple tools affects Microsoft?
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Microsoft make games (e.g. Forza Street) using Unreal Engine that are on iOS.

They also make a load of games in general using UE so may want the option to have iOS support in future.

And maybe they just want to throw their weight in to support the dev community in general that will be impacted by this.

🤷‍♂️
 
StreetsofBeige said:
LOL. So do the math wrong to make PS5 look better, as well as purposely leaving the -18% instead of using your new math which would be -22%.

Well, that's one way to sway a board.
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for example 36CU vs 52CU:
18CU's is 34.6%
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18CU's is 34.6%
+
16CU's is 30.8%
=
52Cu's is 100%
so xsex has advantage of 16CU's which are +30.8% same goes for other numbers.
 
MasterCornholio said:
They could still drop something via PlayStation Blog so I wouldn't say it's dead until the month is over. However if they are planning a big event where they invite the press I would say that isn't possible at this point.
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No invites needed as it's most likely all of their events going to be online.
 
Interesting (old bitch relevant) info from Akamai:

As the world's largest content delivery network, we have been working closely with our customers and carrier partners to maintain continuity for their businesses. Akamai's intelligent edge network architecture is inherently designed to mitigate and minimize network congestion, and because we have deployed our infrastructure deep into carrier networks, we can help those networks avoid overload by diverting traffic away from areas experiencing high levels of congestion.

Akamai is also working with leading distributors of software, particularly for the gaming industry, including Microsoft and Sony, to help manage congestion during peak usage periods. This is very important for gaming software downloads which account for large amounts of internet traffic when an update is released -- a software update for a modern game generates an amount of traffic roughly equal to 30,000 web pages.

"Playing video games enables people all over the world to connect with friends and family and enjoy much needed entertainment during these uncertain times. Our goal is to partner with other leaders in the industry to help ensure gamers are able to enjoy engaging experiences," said Jim Ryan, President and CEO, Sony Interactive Entertainment.

"As people look to gaming for play and social connection, we're seeing record engagement across Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Live, and Mixer. We're actively monitoring usage and making temporary adjustments as needed to ensure the smoothest possible experience for our gamers. We appreciate the collaboration with partners like Akamai to deliver the joy of games in these unprecedented times," said Dave McCarthy, Corporate Vice President, Xbox Product Services.

In regions where demand is creating bottlenecks for customers, we will be reducing gaming software downloads at peak times, completing the downloads at the normal fast speeds late at night. This approach will help ensure every internet user and consumer continues to have the high-quality experience they expect across all of their internet services, and that gamers will still get the download they want, though it may take longer than usual during peak usage times. Even more importantly, this will help ensure healthcare workers and first responders working hard to contain the spread of COVID-19 have continual access to the vital digital services they need.
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(source: https://blogs.akamai.com/2020/03/working-together-to-manage-global-internet-traffic-increases.html)
 
saintjules said:
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This reads like "if we stick with Epic (because Apple kicked us out too), we might have a better chance to have xCloud, Gamepass on iOS!" What has Epics "UE4" anything to do with Microsoft xCloud? There should be not one legal dispute, but two against Apple.

Darius87 said:
fixed.
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PS5 (100%) | XSX
CUs 36 | 52 -30.8%
GPU Clock 2.23Ghz | 1.83Ghz +22.2%
ROPs 64 | 64 0%
TMUs 144? | 208? -30.8%
Bandwidth 448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal) -20%
vRam 13GB@448GB/s | 10GB@560GB/s +30%
Str.Prcs. 2304 | 3328 -30.8%
SSD 5 to 22GB/s | 2.4 to 6GB/s with SFS, DirectStorage +2.5x +155% to 187% avg.

PS5 | XSX (100%)
CUs 36 | 52 +44.4%
GPU Clock 2.23Ghz | 1.83Ghz -18.2%
ROPs 64 | 64 0%
TMUs 144? | 208? +44.4%
Bandwidth 448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal) +25%
vRam 13GB@448GB/s | 10GB@560GB/s -23%
Str.Prcs. 2304 | 3328 +44.4%
SSD 5 to 22GB/s | 2.4 to 6GB/s with SFS, DirectStorage +2.5x -36% to -69%


B L O O D B O R N E 4 K 6 0 H D R
vs
Sea of Thieves, Crackdown3@4K
 
King Harkinian said:
This reads like "if we stick with Epic (because Apple kicked us out too), we might have a better chance to have xCloud, Gamepass on iOS!" What has Epics "UE4" anything to do with Microsoft xCloud? There should be not one legal dispute, but two against Apple.



PS5 (100%) | XSX
CUs 36 | 52 -30.8%
GPU Clock 2.23Ghz | 1.83Ghz +22.2%
ROPs 64 | 64 0%
TMUs 144? | 208? -30.8%
Bandwidth 448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal) -20%
vRam 13GB@448GB/s | 10GB@560GB/s +30%
Str.Prcs. 2304 | 3328 -30.8%
SSD 5 to 22GB/s | 2.4 to 6GB/s with SFS, DirectStorage +2.5x +155% to 187% avg.

PS5 | XSX (100%)
CUs 36 | 52 +44.4%
GPU Clock 2.23Ghz | 1.83Ghz -18.2%
ROPs 64 | 64 0%
TMUs 144? | 208? +44.4%
Bandwidth 448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal) +25%
vRam 13GB@448GB/s | 10GB@560GB/s -23%
Str.Prcs. 2304 | 3328 +44.4%
SSD 5 to 22GB/s | 2.4 to 6GB/s with SFS, DirectStorage +2.5x -36% to -69%


B L O O D B O R N E 4 K 6 0 H D R
vs
Sea of Thieves, Crackdown3@4K
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Hi Betty, I'm a huge fan of your work :pie_starstruck:
 
Insane Metal said:
Yeah I'm thinking we'll be getting news this week. Probably on Thursday or Friday. Maybe we're getting dates not actual news, but still. Would be something.
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Honestly, I would love this... but, would they really put out any big news on the same day as ONL or during Gamescom?
 
SlimySnake said:
What he's essentially asking is to give third party app developers like Epic to NOT pay Apple, Google, Valve, Sony or even Microsoft their 30% store cut, and sell to PSN, XBox, iphone, and android customers directly. This is crossplay bs taken to another level. their entire business model revolves around taking that cut. you simply cannot afford to make xbox and ps consoles, iphones, and android devices and not take that cut.
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This is why it's hard for me to understand anyone backing Epic's position on the transactions. Without this approach, everyone can kiss their break-even or limited profit consoles goodbye. It would have a lasting impact on android as well, even though android does allow for unvetted apk installs.
 
azertydu91 said:
By the way how is that Fud list?Did you stop doing it?
I bet it's growing faster than Covid, so I can understand why you would stop and with some here, it's like the neverending tale.
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stopped at 52 points. There was just too much. It is never-ending, sometimes it feels that the fud was coming out fast than i could write it down, and i pasted and copied a lot, so that's saying something.

I asked some of the xbox fans to make their own list but well they just left the thread.

Just imagine if we keep updating it till the actual release of the console.

Might of got to 200 points lol.
 
Randy Randerson said:
Oh right good point. The xcloud aspect slipped my mind
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That's an odd one. I can see MS being miffed about needing to get individual games approved, when those games are not installed on the device. MS would have probably been fine with giving Apple their cut on any subs that were created on the device, similar to what Netflix is doing.
 
Darius87 said:
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Code: 
                PS5 |  XSX
CUs              36 |  52                +30.8%
GPU Clock   2.23Ghz |  1.83Ghz           -18%
ROPs             64 |  64                 0%
TMUs           144? |  208?              +30.8%
Bandwidth   448GB/s | 560GB/s (optimal)  +20%
Str.Prcs.      2304 | 3328               +30.8%
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PS5:
4 x 2.23 GHz ~ 8.92 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
4 x 1.825 GHz - 7.3 Billion triangles per second

Triangle culling rate is twice number triangles rasterised per cycle.

PS5:
8 x 2.23 GHz - 17.84 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
8 x 1.825 GHz - 14.6 Billion triangles per second


PS5:
64 x 2.23 GHz - 142.72 Billion pixels per second

XSX:
64 x 1.825 GHz - 116.8 Billion pixels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion texels per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion texels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion ray intersections per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion Ray intersections per second

Then you have the customisations and efficiency savings in design....
 
geordiemp said:
PS5:
4 x 2.23 GHz ~ 8.92 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
4 x 1.825 GHz - 7.3 Billion triangles per second

Triangle culling rate is twice number triangles rasterised per cycle.

PS5:
8 x 2.23 GHz - 17.84 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
8 x 1.825 GHz - 14.6 Billion triangles per second


PS5:
64 x 2.23 GHz - 142.72 Billion pixels per second

XSX:
64 x 1.825 GHz - 116.8 Billion pixels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion texels per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion texels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion ray intersections per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion Ray intersections per second

Then you have the customisations and efficiency savings in design....
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Wtf is all this technical stuff

AFK
 
sircaw said:
stopped at 52 points. There was just too much. It is never-ending, sometimes it feels that the fud was coming out fast than i could write it down, and i pasted and copied a lot, so that's saying something.

I asked some of the xbox fans to make their own list but well they just left the thread.

Just imagine if we keep updating it till the actual release of the console.

Might of got to 200 points lol.
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Funnily enough I'm sure that this Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens contributed a lot to this list, enough to drown a fish...
 
geordiemp said:
PS5:
4 x 2.23 GHz ~ 8.92 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
4 x 1.825 GHz - 7.3 Billion triangles per second

Triangle culling rate is twice number triangles rasterised per cycle.

PS5:
8 x 2.23 GHz - 17.84 Billion triangles per second

XSX:
8 x 1.825 GHz - 14.6 Billion triangles per second


PS5:
64 x 2.23 GHz - 142.72 Billion pixels per second

XSX:
64 x 1.825 GHz - 116.8 Billion pixels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion texels per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion texels per second

PS5:
4 x 36 x 2.23 GHz - 321.12 Billion ray intersections per second

XSX:
4 x 52 x 1.825 GHz - 379.6 Billion Ray intersections per second

Then you have the customisations and efficiency savings in design....
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I wish to unlock the secrets of the geometry engine! Can anyone find leaked out tidbits?
 
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