Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Jon Neu said:
It's easy to be provocative amongst a thread filled with Sony fanboys (despite being a multiplatform thread in theory).

You just have to say things that go against their prefered narrative (they call it "negativity, FUD, trolling") and wait for the ad hominems and the drama. And the funny thing is that they do exactly the same but only cry when the other side does it too, which is the epitome of hypocrisy.

It's proven over and over and over and over again.
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U decided to be toxic (has nothing to do with sony or xbox fanboys)and got the backlash . No one asked u to say gt7 looks last gen yet u did it and posted a very bad pic to prove a point . Its like whenever someone wants to talk about xsx I post a pic of halo infinite and say xsx capabilites are last gen . Dont u see how uncalled for and provocative that would be ?

U decided to be toxic and empty ur frustration by saying something no one asked.

Anyways I m done with this conversation lets move on .
 
TBiddy said:
Of course it's more work. But do we know if that is the reason they aren't ready? What is Sonys excuse then?

Point is - he's pulling tales from his ass and as always arguing in bad faith.



It's in Spanish. OP didn't even bother to bloody translate it and just assumed that we all understand Spanish.
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So Resistance 3 was 9 years old yesterday, Spiderman PS4 is 2 years old today and the PS1 release in America is 25 years old on Wednesday... But meh 😜😜😜

PS; Wipeout first released 29th of September 1995 😛
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
He doesn't get how provocative, disrespectful and derailing he really is. I have put him on ignore already but can't avoid seeing his comments from time to time . He is beyond fixing at this point imo. He fishes for negativity then once he receives the negativity he cries about it for 5 pages in the thread . Its like a cycle with him . He does the same everyday. If i were u ,I would put him on ignore and move on .
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I have very few "ignored". But they keep giving me their "smiley face" reactions (like Jon Neu Jon Neu ), which makes me happy as it increases my "Reaction Score". :messenger_relieved:

TBiddy said:
Of course it's more work. But do we know if that is the reason they aren't ready? What is Sonys excuse then?

Point is - he's pulling tales from his ass and as always arguing in bad faith.



It's in Spanish. OP didn't even bother to bloody translate it and just assumed that we all understand Spanish.
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It's not Spanish. Is Portuguese.
 
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Jon Neu said:
Being a 500$ console doesn't justify those graphics. It's precisely because it's a next gen 500$ console that we expect better graphics than this:

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Maybe you are happy with whatever is thrown at you, but I expect next gen games to look a generation better than previous gen games.
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If you want to compare the generational difference shouldn't you compare PS4 to PS5 rather than PS4Pro to PS5?
 
Shmunter said:
Unified ram is the future. PC architecture in this regards is a legacy.
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PC architecture may be legacy but right now the PC is used for more than just games.

As long as the ram has sufficient bandwidth, the various processors can be profiled and contention managed. Working on the one pool of ram is more flexible and efficient. No copying & duplicating - all processors can work on the same piece of data in harmony.
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Ahha! And that is the key. Sufficient bandwidth. I would agree with this but console hardware has too little VRAM and too little bandwidth.
 
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VFXVeteran said:
PC architecture may be legacy but right now the PC is used for more than just games.



Ahha! And that is the key. Sufficient bandwidth. I would agree with this but console hardware has too little VRAM and too little bandwidth.
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Yes I also agree, for general computing consoles aren't there, just the general unified ram theory is sound.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
U decided to be toxic
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If toxic means getting some Sony fanboys salty and angry because I challenge both their narratives and their hypocrisy, then thanks for the compliment.

Agnostic2020 said:
No one asked u to say gt7 looks last gen yet u did it and posted a very bad pic to prove a point
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I have never said GT7 looks last gen, I've said that it looks dissapointing for a next gen title. In my opinion the game doesn't look like a generational leap. Sorry if my opinion hurts your feelings, still I want to voice it regardless.

And I posted a video of both the last GT game and GT7 so people can compare with their own eyes. Maybe to you and others Sony fans is the biggest generational leap ever, but for me, it's dissapointing. And I'm saying that from a potential GT7 buyer perspective too.

Agnostic2020 said:
Its like whenever someone wants to talk about xsx I post a pic of halo infinite and say xsx capabilites are last gen . Dont u see how uncalled for and provocative that would be ?
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First, the two things aren't comparable at all.

And second; it's not like pics and memes of Craig are being used all the time across the forum, right?

And I'm okay with that as long as you have a meaningful thing to say and your answer isn't just using Craig whenever any discussion of any topic appears.

Sony fans here have a very low tolerance for other user's opinions. You want to control the narrative all the time and you try to demonize everyone who dares to question that narrative, with the usual dogpiling, character assassination, massive reporting et al.

And my favourite: the announcing in the thread that you* are going to ignore someone (me). The epitome of Karenish behaviour.

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-I announce PUBLICLY that I'm going to ignore you! Take that!


*I'm not talking about you, it's a figure of speech.

DaGwaphics said:
I can see some nice lighting and texture improvements. Overall, I think side by sides with current-gen and next-gen will be about like this in the early going. They systems will bring more to the table down the road.
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I believe the same too.

I'm sure games are going to look much better down the road and GT7 doesn't even come close to utilize the PS5 hardware's potential.
 
kyliethicc said:
Unlikely, depends on the game. Some multi-platform games already run better on PS4.

Like Call of Duty, the biggest franchise. Digital Foundry showed Modern Warfare (2019) runs best on PS4 Pro and they speculated its the lead dev platform. This would make sense, PS4 is best selling platform.

Doom Eternal on PS4 Pro has a better smoother frame rate than One X (per DF analysis) and RE3 remake also ran smoother on PS4 Pro (again per DF analysis.)

Some games will depend on resolution. For example, Red Dead Redemption 2 is best at 4K on Xbox One X, but better at 1080p on PS4 Pro (per DF findings.)

The Xbox One X had every single advantage over the Pro on specs. It had 50% more memory, faster GPU, faster CPU, and more bandwidth. It also had more CUs. All with the same I/O.

Yet some games run better on PS4 Pro.

Some games will run best on the PS5 because it has significant advantages. It has a much faster I/O, more dedicated FF accelerators, along with a faster GPU, unified memory bandwidth, and higher relative bandwidth for its GPU. Its CPU will need to do less work for I/O because of its custom I/O unit.

Some games will run best on Series X because it has a faster CPU clock option with SMT off, and it has much more CUs. However its I/O is much slower, it lacks unified bandwidth, and it has less dedicated FF accelerators. Its GPU is also slower clocked.

The Series X has far fewer advantages than the One X did, and so even fewer games will run better on XSX than did on One X.
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The problem with XoneX is that Direct X API sucks. It can never compete with the very powerfull low level GNMX. Sony also has a better pixel shader programming.
Furthermore, the extra power of the GPU is useless when the CPU cannot keep up with it. That's a big engineering fuck up for both consoles, but more evident in XoneX.

I cannot wait for DF comparisons this holiday season. I need to buy a SpaceX to run from the radiation of some fanboy's meltdown. 🤣
 
Jon Neu said:
I don't really know who you are, but if you impress me enough, I can become your chilichote chilichote and follow you everywhere you go.
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I'm not really interested in you, I just read a lot of threads in which you write posts. Write less, then you will get less from my "attention" :messenger_grinning_sweat:

On the other hand, without it you wouldn't have been able to write my name so much now. And so I obviously got a place in your heart, because otherwise I wouldn't be worth mentioning^^

Thank you for your love!
 
reading about how COD and Doom are "better on ps4pro" made me realize we have reached complete mickey mouse fantasia levels in this thread...

facts:
COD does reconstructed up to 1920X2160 (=4147200) down to 1920X1620 (=3110400 pixels) on ps4pro
while xbox mainly does 3840X2160 (=8294400) and only dips down to 3520X1800 (=6336000)
thus offering at all times at least double the image quality






Doom: 50% to 120% percent better resolution and IQ on xbox compared to pro at all times, and with better framerate on xbox too



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I dont know what to say any more...
 
geordiemp said:
LOL, even 15 % its an area, so its 2000p vs 2160p if that is the case and its a simple terraflops analysis which we all know is not correct.

Have you seen any Ps5 games struggling ? I would say the ooposite, 4k native and Ray tracing for performance at 4k60 says no. All we have from XSX is Gears 5 (if it was XSX) and Halo which had VRS in there as well (if it was PC) - who the hell knows.

And then there is Ray tracing, if a console can ultiilise Fp16 local calculations from the calcs then it can have double the performance - it will be interesting to see which manufacturers have adopted LocalRay, we know its one of them. Then you can say tongue in check 20 > 12 lol.
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Alright man.. calm down. You supposed to be trying to be neutral in all of this.

Both GPUs are lacking enough bandwidth to do any real serious RT. The RT that we do see is nothing but half-baked reflections and those aren't even done to full capacity.
 
the best FUD so far:
1) console gfx couldn't look better then pc because it doesn't use new technology.
2) ratchet & clank can be done on pc even devs say it's not.
3) gt doesn't have RT because i can't see car reflection on other car.

edit: i forgot to mention console racism. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Spider-man is one of my most played open world games of this gen. What an absolute gem, i just didn't expect the game to be that outstandingly good, but lord did Insomniac deliver on this game big time. It literally cemented the deal between them and Sony. So glad sony chose the right studio to bring Spider-Man to the video game world of story telling like no other.
 
MasterCornholio said:
Catalans are what we call people from the province of Catalunya in Spain. Just incase somebody thinks they are two different countries. I know it can get confusing.
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Catalunya is a province now?

Good Lord, you spaniards keep downgrading us by the minute.

By 2021 we are going to be like a neighborhood association.
 
Jon Neu said:
-Sony fanboys bring PC to the discussion to, somehow, claim PS5 superiority.

-People who aren't Sony fanboys respond to those claims.

-Sony fanboys: See? This people are bringing PC into the discussion, aren't they lame? They should go to therapy!

Seems that fanboyism deletes any trace of self-awareness of people's minds.
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