FunkMiller
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Do you remember 2013 or 2015? Because you might want to reflect on them when considering what Sony have planned next.
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Do you remember 2013 or 2015? Because you might want to reflect on them when considering what Sony have planned next.
FranXico
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Comparing clocks without SMT on Xbox with clock with SMT on PS5. So much integrity.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I don't believe they will have a lower console price.
I still believe Xbox will be the go to place for 3rd party titles because the XsX is more powerful.
I don't believe Sony can match 1st party day one subscription pricing.
For me personally Sony has the games, the games I want to play.
And it all comes down to which games people love.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
MasterCornholio
Member
Now that the price is already revealed do you think Sony can make adjustments with theirs? Like if they originally planned for a 599$ price point they will drop it to 499$.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Microsoft just announced all the details about their next-gen consoles before Sony. That's not an opinion dude. Sony management has been a mess from the start of this it's nothing new. Not surprising key people left. Yes no doubt about PS Studios to deliver great games but management wise this has been a disaster.
FranXico
Member
Sony will lose some market share, but deliver the games. I want some of the variety they offered in the PS3 days to come back.
Mahavastu
Member
I agree, but thats what Xbox says in the video
Not directly. They said it is the same as the SeriesX, which has 2.4GB/s
Randy Randerson
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It's a disaster? Why?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Thats the million dollar question.
I personally feel that $499 was always the target question is can they undercut that price?
I dont know their shit has been locked down tight.
FunkMiller
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You think going first is better?
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah but you said it's now Sony's turn, and that they wanted to bleed out Microsoft. So I expected more than a stellar first party line up, although that's still the most important part of a console of course.
kyliethicc
Member
Sony would never ever say the name of their competitor in their own videos. Stay classy.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
And yet you still can't order the next gen Xboxen for another 2 weeks.
You really think MS announcing first matters?
Sony could have pre-orders up later today for all we know.
Absolutely none of this shit is gonna matter once these products go up for sale... everyone will forget the wait.. and then move on to being anxious during the 2 month + wait until we actually get our hands on them.
And then we'll play the few scant launch games and spend another year anxious for the next set of games lol.. like every damn generation.
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Empire Strikes Back
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I'd say it's purely for OS.
2GB of extra slow bandwidth RAM for Series S. That's purely for the CPU for sure
SportsFan581
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2GB of extra slow bandwidth RAM for Series S. That's purely for the CPU for sure
No doubt just the OS. CPU for the games will just hit the 8GB I assume. Fair enough.
So we must be looking at 3x2GB chips and 1 x 4GB, the 32bit bus would be the only way to account for the ultra slow speed of the 2GB (IE, just one chip). They really got creative with the RAM. LOL
Probably saved them a fair amount though.
kyliethicc
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So they don't have unified bandwidth. Had to be that way. Its fine. The 7.5 for games is all at 224 and the slow ram is for OS I assume.
2GB of extra slow bandwidth RAM for Series S. That's purely for the CPU for sure
Xbox is launching a next gen console in 2020 with a portion of its RAM with slower bandwidth than DDR3 from the 2013 Xbox One. Crazy.
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Explosive Zombie
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Personally I never saw the game as very graphically impressive and even people who would contend it is still need to face the fact that it IS a last gen game running that well. We're expecting NEXT-GEN experiences to sometimes hit 120fps so I'd hope the S can handle prior gen games at that. The problem with the S, in my view, is going to rear it's ugly head a few years in or less even. Unless most devs have no problem treating it as a baseline in which case the discussion will become more nebulous as we claim "PS5 exclusive x couldn't be handled on an S" without anyway to say for sure? If there's one thing about SONY exclusives it's that they tend to push the graphical boundaries, not many third parties can claim the same these days.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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My guess is that if sony wanted to be cheaper, they wouldn't have remained silent until microsoft speaked up.
They are the market leader after all. Since they didn't act like it, it sure looks like they want to trail behind microsoft's pricing and make a good placement.
dimaveshkin
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Why did Sony force CPU to be in SMT mode only? I don't get it. What's the benefit?
with this talk of cpu, I was wondering if anyone can provide input into PS5 using smartshift and getting a performance benefit. based on the site below, as high as 10%.
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AMD SmartShift is awesome. Too bad most gamers will never get to use it
(Update: The feature will be coming to the Sony PlayStation 5.) The AMD-only feature can give you "free" CPU and GPU performance by dynamically optimizing the power budget between the processors. Laptops with Nvidia or Intel hardware need not apply even though they make up the vast majority of...
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HeisenbergFX4
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I do expect to see some of the missing games we know are eventually coming and a couple of pretty big 3rd party announcements yet.
Xbox has been killing it up to this point but for me personally tease God of War more Horizon and some next gen patches for some of the current big games and I am all in on PS5.
If they don't show some of that very soon then I start getting concerned.
FranXico
Member
It benefits multithreading, at the cost of a slight downclock. I honestly think that on a dedicated device it's a legitimate choice.
MasterCornholio
Member
Sony is kind of in a weird spot because they have the digital edition. Will the digital edition price match the XSX or will it be the disk version? That's the big question that I have when it comes to pricing the PS5.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Maybe they reduced the OS footprint on XSS, but a next-gen console with 8GB for both CPU/GPU makes me weird. I know they have an SSD, but yet.
Blue Spring
Read my tears about xbox here --->
Microsoft has not made a compelling argument to even buy their console at this point. What does it matter that they have revealed the price point, which almost everybody had guessed beforehand anyway.
Wraith Phantom
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Less than 2 months to November
Sony the conpany that kept repeating about believing in next-gen and have the next gen console is silent.
While Microsoft that is approaching next-gen with all consoles inclusivity and Netflix for games is going full steam ahead
How ironic.
meanwhile at Sony HQ:
Look at the interest numbers Its more like.
The COD thing is later right. There's going to be non PS guys upset there. You can bet on it. Why you think Sony quite. Sony is just chilling. Its rinse repeat. Let xbox go first ,let dust settle. Then Ps5 crushes. There's no war this is'nt close. People that want competetion back & forth should really play sports. Consoles is not a substitue. For the record I just want more games reveal pricing shit is irrelevant it was always going to be affordable. There is no oohhs & awws coming out this aint a cypher battle. People are not leaving their Ps librarys & disk. just show more games. More games.
FunkMiller
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dimaveshkin
Member
But Xbox have both modes as an option. Does cutting off non-SMT mode makes SMT better? In what way?
Shio
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From a marketing position Sony will have to make sure to get the message across that their Digital Edition is not the same as Microsofts, as in not lower spec but merely the same machine without a drive as when customers compare the machines from both the will think that the Digital offerings are the same. If sonys digitial edition is more than Series S then it will look bad as people will forget that the Digital Edition from sony is the exact same spec as the top model just without a drive.
So, here are my thoughts on XSS. For me with a shitty old PC and a really good deal on Game Pass Ultimate subcription (until 2023) the XSS is the deal for me. I just play when I have some decent free time and that I don't have a lot. The XSS enables me to play a lot of new games without investing too much.
It seems to me the XSS is basically the casual gaming machine of this new generation and I am fine with it later down the road I'll get my PS5 and borrow the exclusiv games from a friend.
It seems to me the XSS is basically the casual gaming machine of this new generation and I am fine with it later down the road I'll get my PS5 and borrow the exclusiv games from a friend.
Mahavastu
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I do not see how you would get 10GB with the same performance with 4 chips.
I would guess 5x 2GB chips.
Kaiserstark
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So there is another GAME store who is saying on Facebook that there will be an announcement tonight for the PS5.
SportsFan581
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You've got a few more posts to read, you'll see it as you keep reading. They've admitted to an interleave, though probably not the config most were expecting. LOL
ethomaz
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FunkMiller
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I think people are getting it a bit ass about face on when it's best to drop your announcements. Generally, it's always better to go last, because you'll remain in people's minds for longer. That's why we've had radio silence from both companies for weeks (well, that and because of covid). It's been a war of attrition, but XBox have decided to spring first, probably hazarding a guess that Sony don't have much more in the pipeline.
Given precedent, I'm not sure they're right about that. Sony have demonstrated a knack for releasing information in a way designed to maximise attention and retention. They've got a very canny marketing team. And I'm pretty sure they've been biding their time.
Things are about to get very hectic.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
EVERY next gen game will use SMT. there is absolutely no reason not to. or you are leaving performance on the table that effectively utilizes that 16 threads in the cpu.
the slightly higher clock will only impact some current gen games that dont use multithreading since they were built on the jaguar CPUs.
this is just a disingenuous marketing point.
pasterpl
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So there is another GAME store who is saying on Facebook that there will be an announcement tonight for the PS5.
I guess it would be the US timezone.
Isn't the the 25th anniversary today?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
What are you trying to do with that gif, give me an erection!?
Well, you've done it now
Bladed Thesis
Member
Honestly, I agree. Sony will lose a little of the market share but not a lot and it'll be 65/35 with Xbox ahead or slightly behind in NA and maybe competitive in a few EU countries. Asia will be PS5 and Switch. That might change, depending on what is announced at the Toyko Gameshow. Xbox has been saying they wanted to expand their appeal in Asia/Japan but we've yet to see all that talk materialize into anything legitimate. In terms of South Korea, Xcloud might be something to help bridge the gap a little but nothing drastic.
splattered
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Right.. which is why he said .1 slower or faster, what's your point? He isn't wrong.
It may have a competitive CPU at $300 but the ps5 GPU is like 2.5x more powerful for only $300 more.
ThisIsMyDog
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What is even the point of talking about a CPUs when they are going to be almost identical in power?
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't believe 4GB chips exist unless Microsoft have had the RAM supplier make them?
LucidFlux
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I presume to have a singular target for both their variable clocks and cooling solution to manage. Running the CPU at higher clock speeds would affect the amount of power that could be allotted to the GPU if the current combined power envelope remained the same or it would raise their combined power envelope requiring even more money spent on cooling.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What I REALLLLY want to hear about is what developers, as well as publishers, think of XSS.
At this point I think it's a big risk for MS if it isn't something that fits in publishers plans.. if it does, and they are happy to support it.. and it sells well, I think everyone will be happy.
At this point I think it's a big risk for MS if it isn't something that fits in publishers plans.. if it does, and they are happy to support it.. and it sells well, I think everyone will be happy.
Faithless83
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To avoid talking about the GPU that's 4TF.
ethomaz
Banned
I still remember how it worked very well for MS going first early this year...
Mahavastu
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Hard to keep up
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