BlueXImpulse
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Agnostic2020
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Randy Randerson
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Ha nvm then
Agnostic2020
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Full break down
Faithless83
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Different TF measurements due to different architectures.
GCN TF vs RDNA2 TF and why TF was not the best comparison for the new consoles.
I don't have the exact numbers but 1 TF RDNA 2 is roughly 1.6TF GCN, someone will correct me on this for sure.
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kyliethicc
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I think turning off SMT also lowers power draw. So Xbox allows a slight upclock for that option.
I think because the PS5 frequencies are set by the power limit and fixed constant power draw, the max 3.5 GHz for the PS5 is taking into account all uses of the CPU. SMT on or off. It will just adjust the clock to stay at essentially constant power.
Sony clearly chose to run the CPU a bit slower because they have their I/O unit offloading certain work from the CPU. They also clearly prioritized the GPU running as high of a frequency as possible. Trade offs.
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Empire Strikes Back
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I understand now why MS won't talk about XSS teraflops... It's a mirror of a PS4 Pro with ~4TF and ~220GB/s bandwidth. So much for the teraflops.
(I know the architectures are different)
(I know the architectures are different)
kyliethicc
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Remedy developer sounds mixed on the S.... hmm
silent head
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I think the bandwidth will be a real concern. I always said the bandwidth advantage is a bigger thing than the difference in teraflops. I definitely foresee sub-1080p resolutions being commonplace with this, Though if you're not too bothered by that, it's still a good price.
I was expecting 249$ for Series S.
Empire Strikes Back
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I know that, but that was never a problem for MS marketing. They know TFs aren't the same, even between 2 custom RDNA 2 GPUs but they choose to market the numbers anyway.
kyliethicc
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If so it would be 112 GB/s not 56 GB/s.
14x32x2/8=112
14x32x1/8=56
It has to be 1 bigger chip cuz math.
SportsFan581
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Each on a 16bit channel? Or a 64bit bus with chips running at half speed?
Zoro7
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Ram does matter though does it. Because of the super fast SSD or some shit like SFS.
FranXico
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Not a real problem considering it's a much smaller GPU.
mckmas8808
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Tiago07
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A Sony good move would be:
Join Us for a Playstation 5 Reveal Thrusday at 11:00 EST / 15:00 GMT
The reveal is a video with the nextgen God Of War 2 Trailer with the PS5 launch date and prices with Pre-Order starts.
After this they make a event or show gameplays of PS5 games launch lineup, like DeS Remake, SpiderMan Miles Morales, Kena, Ratchet (once more again maybe), Gran Turismo 7, Returnal and others....
Join Us for a Playstation 5 Reveal Thrusday at 11:00 EST / 15:00 GMT
The reveal is a video with the nextgen God Of War 2 Trailer with the PS5 launch date and prices with Pre-Order starts.
After this they make a event or show gameplays of PS5 games launch lineup, like DeS Remake, SpiderMan Miles Morales, Kena, Ratchet (once more again maybe), Gran Turismo 7, Returnal and others....
BlueXImpulse
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I think he sees the writing on the wall.
In 4 years time XSX and PS5 will not be doing 4K native at 30 frames per second as games become more complex. They might be doing 2K at 30 frames per second. Where would that leave Series S performance wise as it is 3x weaker than Series X?
Neo Blaster
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Mr Moose
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Wait, so we've seen more running on the ugly stepchild than we have on the Series X?some 120fps gears 5 was shown running on series S
also, dirt 5, valhalla, watch dogs legion, outriders, yakuza like a dragon, call of sea, the medium and tetris connected shown running on series s.
FunkMiller
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Developers who aren't interested in pushing the boundaries, and are content to produce bog standard games designed to generate ongoing income, will be fine with programming for the Series S.
Developers who want to be creative and make games that do push the boundaries... will all head to Playstation.
chilichote
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kyliethicc
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Yeah even as a PS4 Pro owner, and I love my PS4... the Series S would out perform the PS4 Pro anyday across all games.
It has a much much better CPU, a much faster I/O, better GPU architecture, RT, much faster GPU, same memory basically (sorta odd bandwidth but thats fine I guess.)
Only issue with the S is its relative weakness compared to the big boys.
Its not the GPU, its the lack of 16 GB of memory as the baseline for next gen games.
And the 512 GB SSD is not enough storage for a next gen console.
If Xbox was smart they'd offer a sku with a 1 TB.
Let's say you already own an Xbox and have plenty of controllers.
Offer the Series S with 1 TB but no controller for like $350. I bet many would pick that.
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Defrop
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ethomaz
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The memory setup 224GB/s for 8GB + 56GB/s for 2GB makes additional memory chip on back impossible.
It is 2 + 2 + 2 + 4
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Tom Warren is sometimes an idiot, but .1 Ghz = 0.1 Ghz = 100 Mhz. It is common to write 1/10th as .1 at least were I am from.
kyliethicc
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Would add too much cost to do that complicated set up.
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ethomaz
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He actually never worked in games.but but but................. fud gavin
Basically spread FUD everywhere.
Including here in GAF (he tried to change the name to get more credibility with the fake company but it didn't work).
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Faithless83
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I agree with you, that's the reason why they only covered the CPU part of XSS and not the GPU. It would render the TF narrative, that they have been pushing so far useless.
I said it before in this thread:
"XSS vs PS5 difference is minimum" is the new "XSX vs PS5 difference is huge".
3liteDragon
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The reason all this got revealed this week is BECAUSE of bad management at Xbox lol. Xbox Series S got leaked overnight, and then Windows Central reported on the price and release date for both consoles hours after the leak. Management/marketing-wise, it's been a mess at Xbox so far, not PlayStation.
Agnostic2020
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Its almost worse than ps4 pro ram wise and this is for 2020
Please tell me the OS will use the slower part of the memory, just so I can still have a little faith for multi-platform games...
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BGs
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"IF" they do not buy it, they will also know.
kyliethicc
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Except now the baseline for next gen games is almost the same amount of RAM as current gen.
Its not ideal.
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ethomaz
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GDDR6 are two 16bits buses (32bits combined)... it is one of the biggest difference compared with GDDR5 that has a single 32bits.
There is no 64bits bus.
The unusual memory setup done MS could not have worked with GDDR5 or GDDR5x.
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ResilientBanana
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1440p = Lower quality assets and resolution require less bandwidth and memory. Also 4TF XSS is equivalent to 6TF on the XOX in regards to graphics, not to mention the immensely better CPU.
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Neo Blaster
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Oh, boy, if Sony is going full 'Andrew House' later the internet will crash.So there is another GAME store who is saying on Facebook that there will be an announcement tonight for the PS5.
thurnishaleygw
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Looking for the TF narrative now like
Zathalus
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I'm quite certain it will. That does mean the UI on the S will be much slower then the X. But I guess that's a given if you consider the $299 price tag.
Please tell me the OS will use the slower part of the memory, just so I can still have a little faith for multi-platform games...
SportsFan581
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Depends on whether or not they want to become 2nd party studios. Games that are released on Xbox are almost always released on PC, these devs are used to having to work with lower-end kit in mind.
BlueXImpulse
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but but but................. fud gavin
What is it about the Xbox Series S that worries developers?
A technical producer at Remedy is happy with the Series S looking at it through the lens of a consumer but with regards to development he seems less than happy. https://www.linkedin.com/in/c4rm1n3/?originalSubdomain=fi Microsoft's stance based on their recent Series S video is that it's...
Maybe we can discuss his comments here
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic?
Neo Blaster
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Thanks, just saw the '.' now(aging sucks). Good to know not even Tom would be such a lame being.
SportsFan581
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I was referring to the two modules on the back of the board theory. Which would create an effective 64bit bus for those chips, but with the result of a 32bit bus.
Shio
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I think you misread, did you miss the dot, the point, he wrote .1GHZ which is 100Mhz...
ethomaz
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That is actually true... he never made any game and his company name was created just to try to say he knows things.
Empire Strikes Back
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I understand that and I'm not saying the XSS won't deliver, I'm saying that MS is not taking the TF marketing path because they know it's a mirror of PS4 Pro numbers.
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