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[Entroyp]

Sssssuush it.
Don´t tell nobody!

Still looks shite though.
Here GEARS5@XSS@120Hz@whatlookslike900p
Before anyone claims poor bitrate, the overlay is visible, the number 8 (tiny 8) as well, there is no artifacting going on ..



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Is MS going to gives another Craig soon? I really hope so for the sake of having fun.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

That could be you if you let them grow long enough.

Nah, I got a pedicure as soon as they opened back up in my state. I already had 3 Pedicures since then.

 

[saintjules]

Sony Tactics (timestamped)

 

[Alex Scott]

The idea of All Access is it includes 2 years of Game Pass Ultimate.

That's 15/month x24 = $360.

Then either +10 or +20 more for Series S/X. $25/$35.

You don't save much money with All Access at those prices. But for some, its better to spread out the cost of a console over monthly payments.

If you want a new Xbox, don't mind signing a contract and taking on some debt, and were planning on buying Game Pass Ultimate anyway for 2 years, then it makes sense.

Otherwise yeah just buy the console, own it, and then you have more options on how you spend on games/services.

Yeah i agree with you 100%. I am one of those people who doesn't like contracts and stuff like that. For some this would be a great deal.

 

[kyliethicc]

900p 120 fps on 4 tflops is still pretty impressive.

of course there is no way they are going to be able to get the single player to run at 120 fps on 4 tflops. even at 720p. mp in gears is basically tiny maps with corridors. basically last gen design compared to what cod is doing nowdays with warzone and ground war. there is no way the latest cod is able to do 120 fps on the series s.

Well COD Cold War is cross gen, and its desgined to run at 60 FPS on Jaguar CPUs. And all next gen consoles will have plenty of CPU room over current gen.

Should have no issue doubling up on FPS with an 8 core Zen 2 @ ~ 3.5 GHz.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Here is Sony counter to Xbox today:



Enjoy

Honestly they will probably release it for the PS5 as well. I think it's a great idea for the DualSense.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Here is Sony counter to Xbox today:



Enjoy

I honestly don't get the appeal of this device. Someone, please explain it to me.

 

[bitbydeath]

Having things load too fast would ruin the experience.

 

[kyliethicc]

I honestly don't get the appeal of this device. Someone, please explain it to me.

Example - Gran Tursimo. Modern cars use paddle shifters. This would make the controller more like that.

L2/R2 are the brake/gas pedals. But L1/R1 are what I mapped shifting down/up gears to.
So I have to take my finger off of R2 for a second to click R1 (upshift).

I could use this attachment to map the L1/R1 buttons onto these back paddles.
I could then use my middle fingers to change gears without releasing the triggers. Extra inputs.

Or, it lets you keep your thumbs on the sticks in a FPS. Map 2 face buttons or D-pad to these back buttons and use your middle fingers instead.

 

[HAL-01]

Just watched the Inside Series S video. I can't believe they showed next gen games running on the weaker system before the series X

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Example - Gran Tursimo. Modern cars use paddle shifters. This would make the controller more like that.

L2/R2 are the brake/gas pedals. But L1/R1 are what I mapped shifting down/up gears to.
So I have to take my finger off of R2 for a second to click R1 (upshift).

I could use this attachment to map the L1/R1 buttons onto these back paddles.
I could then use my middle fingers to change gears without releasing the triggers. Extra inputs.

Ah, makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation. Is there demand for a device like this among Xbox gamers?

 

[SlimySnake]

Well COD Cold War is cross gen, and its desgined to run at 60 FPS on Jaguar CPUs. And all next gen consoles will have plenty of CPU room over current gen.

Should have no issue doubling up on FPS with an 8 core Zen 2 @ ~ 3.5 GHz.

we will see. ive seen the 580 manage 120 fps at 1080p in cod, but usually overclocked to hit 1.55 ghz which is around 7 tflops.

a 4 tflops rdna 2.0 card is roughly around 5 polaris tflops. i dont see it. especially in larger maps or warzone. the 570 is probably its closest competitor and you need to turn all settings to low at 1080p to hit 120 fps. consoles, especially a so-called next gen console isnt gonna ship with those low settings.

 

[On Demand]

What am i missing here, is that 12 seconds to load the finished game. No disrespect here but that seems really crappy to me.
I was expecting a game like that to his a couple of seconds at the most, why the hell is it so long. If i recall the state of decay 2 demo was like 6 + seconds or so, why is it not in line with this or less.

Is it the developers that are falling here or is the hardware, not all that it's cracked up to be.
I wonder what the ps will load it in then or is it going to be the same. Mind you, is that a Microsoft studio.

I would not of showed a demo loading 12 secs, surely they could of found some much faster loads to present there stuff

Then this is the second time they show something unoptimized to promote their product(first was that SoD2 demo), don't you think that's strange? Why can't they just optimize?

Maybe it's because they haven't addressed all the I/O bottlenecks like Sony has?

I really can't think of anything else at this point.

A reality check is going hit hard for those who think Sony put so much investment into their SSD for nothing.

 

[SportsFan581]

Ah, makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation. Is there demand for a device like this among Xbox gamers?

I've heard there are some scrubs that will pay $180 for the option.

 

[Grinchy]

I honestly don't get the appeal of this device. Someone, please explain it to me.

Another use for these is in any kind of shooter or action game where you sprint and slide. So like in Horizon, instead of having to take your thumb off of the right joystick to hit square to slide or go into sneak mode, you can hit the back button.

That gives you full camera control while quickly moving around and sliding or sneaking. COD games benefit from it quite a bit, too. Once you get used to having those back buttons, it becomes really nice and intuitive, but it's hard to imagine the point before trying it.

 

[Captain Hero]

After Xbox announcement ..

Sony now have the key to Drop the 🎙 just like what happened with the PS1 price .. and boy something big is coming from Sony

I can feel it

 

[kyliethicc]

Ah, makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation. Is there demand for a device like this among Xbox gamers?

Seems like it. They sell their $180 Elite controller. It has 4 back buttons.

 

[MasterCornholio]

A reality check is going hit hard for those who think Sony put so much investment into their SSD for nothing.

I mean they have this thing taking up precious die space.

And this is what the XSX APU looks like.

There's some I/O stuff in the XSX APU but nowhere near as much as the PS5s. Sony is taking a pretty big risk choosing to focus on the I/O instead of the GPU.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

I really hope that Sony announce for Australian retail prices as a MAXIMUM of:

PS5 SE: AU$650
PS5 DE: AU$600

If they go:

PS5 SE: AU$700
PS5 DE: AU$650

I hope it includes a second controller or media remote or 3 months free PS+ or a launch game

 

[enigmatic enthusiast]

Simply math shows the xss is actually overpriced. Its not a good value against a 12.2TF XSX with 4k Bluray @ 499.99 nor either version of the PS5 if the Bluray version matches the XSX launch price.

 

[HawarMiran]

After Xbox announcement ..

Sony now have the key to Drop the 🎙 just like what happened with the PS1 price .. and boy something big is coming from Sony

I can feel it

Sony: "PS5 DE 399 Dollars, PS5 449 Dollars. Oh and we forgot to mention the PS5 model were we basically slapped together two PS5's at the price of 799 Dollars for the hardcore audience out there."
Internet:

 

[kyliethicc]

we will see. ive seen the 580 manage 120 fps at 1080p in cod, but usually overclocked to hit 1.55 ghz which is around 7 tflops.

a 4 tflops rdna 2.0 card is roughly around 5 polaris tflops. i dont see it. especially in larger maps or warzone. the 570 is probably its closest competitor and you need to turn all settings to low at 1080p to hit 120 fps. consoles, especially a so-called next gen console isnt gonna ship with those low settings.

I don't think flops matter that much. CPU impacts FPS more than GPU.
And consoles aren't PCs. And a 580 isn't RDNA 2.

Let's compare:

PS4 - CoD Cold War, 1080p @ 60 FPS
- 8 Jaguar cores @ 1.6 GHz
- 18 GCN CUs @ 800 MHz
- 5 GB GDDR5 @ 176 GB/s (usable)
- SATA 2 5400 rpm HDD @ 50 MB/s

XSS - CoD Cold War, 1080p? @ 120 FPS
- 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.6 GHz
- 20 RDNA 2 CUs @ 1565 MHz
- 7.5 GB GDDR6 @ 224 GB/s (usable)
- PCIe Gen4x2 SSD @ 2.4 GB/s

Seems quite possible. The hardware is far more powerful.

Might not look that much better than a PS4 when in 120 Hz mode but who cares if high frame rate is the priority.

 

[saintjules]

Not sure if posted, too lazy to search...

GameStop considers installment plans for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X

PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X are launching this holiday, and GameStop wants to give you more ways to pay in case money is tight.

venturebeat.com

It's good that others are following suit of this move. Is it the assumption that Gamestop expects to get a decent amount of units in their stores?

The turnaround time for something like payment installment under Gamestop's methods would have you make 4 payments within 6 months versus the 24 months with All Access. This is if we're talking about Xbox. The Difference with AA is that you're paying more with Gamepass included for example.

 

[kyliethicc]

It's good that others are following suit of this move. Is the assumption that Gamestop expects to get a decent amount of units in their stores?

The turnaround time for something like payment installment under Gamestop's Methods would have you make 4 payments within 6 months versus the 24 months with All Access. Difference is you're paying more with Xbox for example.

Nothing would be funnier than GameStop selling PS5 Digital Editions or Xbox Series Ss.

 

[leo-j]

So Sony ps5 logos are all over the Nba play offs now. That kinda is irritating as they are teasing a console without pre orders or a price tag. Sony is def skidding with their promo for this system.

 

[devilNprada]

Seems covid is actually the cause of the preorder delay... This wasn't planned like some think...

 

[SportsFan581]

Nothing would be funnier than GameStop selling PS5 Digital Editions or Xbox Series Ss.

Just for fun they give you a R.I.P. GameStop 2020 pin with each purchase. Truth be told this is an issue for all retailers, these units work towards removing them from game sales, an area where they still make decent money. I wonder what both brands will do to try and even this out, what pro-retailer things they could do?

 

[SlimySnake]

I don't think flops matter that much. CPU impacts FPS more than GPU.
And consoles aren't PCs. And a 580 isn't RDNA 2.

Let's compare:

PS4 - CoD Cold War, 1080p @ 60 FPS
- 8 Jaguar cores @ 1.6 GHz
- 18 GCN CUs @ 800 MHz
- 5 GB GDDR5 @ 176 GB/s (usable)
- SATA 2 5400 rpm HDD @ 50 MB/s

XSS - CoD Cold War, 1080p? @ 120 FPS
- 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.6 GHz
- 20 RDNA 2 CUs @ 1565 MHz
- 7.5 GB GDDR6 @ 224 GB/s (usable)
- PCIe Gen4x2 SSD @ 2.4 GB/s

Seems quite possible. The hardware is far more powerful.

Might not look that much better than a PS4 when in 120 Hz mode but who cares if high frame rate is the priority.

CPUs only impact performance to an extent. at some point, even framerates become GPU dependent. for instance, you can run a game at 1440 60 fps with A LOT Of cpu headroom left over, but if you want 120 fps, you HAVE to go down 1080p.

Polaris to rdna 1.0 is only 25% better performance per flop. rdna 2.0 thats in xsx is literally identical to rdna 1.0 according to DF. so dont expect many gains. so the question then becomes can a 5 tflops gpu run the game at 120 fps with a better cpu? maybe, if its running ps4 settings. but this console will likely get the next gen version with better effects so i dont know.

 

[Darklor01]

It's good that others are following suit of this move. Is it the assumption that Gamestop expects to get a decent amount of units in their stores?

The turnaround time for something like payment installment under Gamestop's methods would have you make 4 payments within 6 months versus the 24 months with All Access. This is if we're talking about Xbox. The Difference with AA is that you're paying more with Gamepass included for example.

I think it may be more the mindset that if you buy with GameStop, it gives then various ways to gain business.

With the layaway plan, they have your money and can invest it while you continue to pay.

Financing has some of that affect, but the consumer sees yet another way GameStop can help them to get the system they want.

Either way, every purchase gets them a shot at additional business from the consumer. They really need customers and repeat business any way they can get it.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

I honestly don't get the appeal of this device. Someone, please explain it to me.

It's cheaper than a Scuff/Elite controller and has arguably the best feature: back pads.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

CPUs only impact performance to an extent. at some point, even framerates become GPU dependent. for instance, you can run a game at 1440 60 fps with A LOT Of cpu headroom left over, but if you want 120 fps, you HAVE to go down 1080p.

Polaris to rdna 1.0 is only 25% better performance per flop. rdna 2.0 thats in xsx is literally identical to rdna 1.0 according to DF. so dont expect many gains. so the question then becomes can a 5 tflops gpu run the game at 120 fps with a better cpu? maybe, if its running ps4 settings. but this console will likely get the next gen version with better effects so i dont know.

I'm not exactly the most tech inclined with GPU workings. I don't know the finer details and such. But I thought RDNA2 based GPUs where 25% better and more efficient per CU then RDNA 1. Where RDNA 1 was about 20% better and more efficient per core vs Polaris. So in real world wouldn't RDNA 2 be roughly at least 40% better and more efficient per core then said Polaris? Which would explain why a 4TF RDNA2 GPU can preform as such? I mean the difference between what resources you need for 1080p and 1440p gaming is way below 50% requirement of 4K gaming?

 

[Moridianae]

Just for fun they give you a R.I.P. GameStop 2020 pin with each purchase. Truth be told this is an issue for all retailers, these units work towards removing them from game sales, an area where they still make decent money. I wonder what both brands will do to try and even this out, what pro-retailer things they could do?

They won't do much, sir. Retailers like Best Buy, Wal-Mart and Target have the ability to take hits like that. They are simply a larger group.

GameStop does not. They tried phones and tablets, Cricket, now it's POPs and collectibles. None of that will save them from their fate. It was on the wall when Ieft several years ago.

The XSS and PS5 DE will severely hurt them, especially with Game Pass, BC and PS Now becoming more prominent. This isn't including the rise of GaaS in recent years(Fortnite, Overwatch, Destiny, Division, etc.), which reduces the likelihood of trade ins and thus their pre-owned sales.

Each and every one of those aforementioned factors renders their entire business model(known as the Circle of Life) unsustainable.


They absolutely will stock the XSS and PS5 DE, but it will be in extremely limited quantities and probably in select stores, because it does not support their business model.

They refused to stock the XOne All Digital for a while. In addition, when I was there, they SEVERELY restricted Xbox One allocations to PS4 due to Xbox's initial used game restrictions.

I believe on pre-order opening, we could reserve 26 Xbox Ones and over 110 PS4s at my store.

When I pressed my DM in email over the staggering variance, he responded with "Sony supports GameStop; Microsoft doesn't."

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

I've already have had to clarify the differences between the 2 Xbox consoles to 3 of my friends in the last 10 minutes

 

[kyliethicc]

It's cheaper than a Scuff/Elite controller and has arguably the best feature: back pads.

And its removable so gives options. And its cheap.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

It's cheaper than a Scuff/Elite controller and has arguably the best feature: back pads.

Why does Sony make them so infrequently?

 

[SlimySnake]

I'm not exactly the most tech inclined with GPU workings. I don't know the finer details and such. But I thought RDNA2 based GPUs where 25% better and more efficient per CU then RDNA 1. Where RDNA 1 was about 20% better and more efficient per core vs Polaris. So in real world wouldn't RDNA 2 be roughly at least 40% better and more efficient per core then said Polaris? Which would explain why a 4TF RDNA2 GPU can preform as such? I mean the difference between what resources you need for 1080p and 1440p gaming is wfay below 50% requirement of 4K gaming?

nope. we dont know the IPC gains of rdna 2.0 over rdna 1.0. the only thing we know is what AMD has said which is that its 50% more power efficient. but that is not the IPC gains. they have said nothing about IPC gains so far which itself is an answer. and like i said DF said the xbox series x architecture is identical to the rdna 1.0 architecture so i have no idea where the architecture gains will come from if its literally the same.

25% over polaris is the best assumption we have at the moment.

 

[XO_o]

 

[xPikYx]

What IS that, specifically? Graphics look pretty damn good to me!

the "squarish" shoulder that indicate the 3d model has poor polygons

 

[Sinthor]

the "squarish" shoulder that indicate the 3d model has poor polygons

Ah, I'd seen that but I figured it was not final shading or something that they'll likely clean up before release. Guess we'll see. This particular game is also being done by a very small development team, so I don't expect it to be as flawless as say a Naughty Dog game.

 

[Sinthor]

And another Wednesday is history. Oh well................

 

[WhispersintheWind]

nope. we dont know the IPC gains of rdna 2.0 over rdna 1.0. the only thing we know is what AMD has said which is that its 50% more power efficient. but that is not the IPC gains. they have said nothing about IPC gains so far which itself is an answer. and like i said DF said the xbox series x architecture is identical to the rdna 1.0 architecture so i have no idea where the architecture gains will come from if its literally the same.

25% over polaris is the best assumption we have at the moment.

I believe if 25% is based off ipc gains of RDNA 1. I think it's safe to say RDNA 2 will hit 40% more efficient over Polaris easily. RDNA 2 is 1.5 per watt better performance over RDNA 1 meaning 50%. I believe and assume with my lil understanding and little Brain that 20% gain of IPC gain is easily reachable. Which would hit 40% over Polaris. I also think I'm being a lil bit reserved in that number. I understand it is hard to make assumptions with scalability in these instances. I think we will get better info soon.

 

[SportsFan581]

I believe if 25% is based off ipc gains of RDNA 1. I think it's safe to say RDNA 2 will hit 40% more efficient over Polaris easily. RDNA 2 is 1.5 per watt better performance over RDNA 1 meaning 50%. I believe and assume with my lil understanding and little Brain that 20% gain of IPC gain is easily reachable. Which would hit 40% over Polaris. I also think I'm being a lil bit reserved in that number. I understand it is hard to make assumptions with scalability in these instances. I think we will get better info soon.

Does IPC necessarily scale with performance per watt? What if the RDNA 2 gains are in the supported features and reduced power consumption?

 

[saintjules]

I think it may be more the mindset that if you buy with GameStop, it gives then various ways to gain business.

With the layaway plan, they have your money and can invest it while you continue to pay.

Financing has some of that affect, but the consumer sees yet another way GameStop can help them to get the system they want.

Either way, every purchase gets them a shot at additional business from the consumer. They really need customers and repeat business any way they can get it.

I agree. That layaway plan though - they'd better be housing Consoles that have money on them in a warehouse or something. Nothing like paying off for something only to find out it's no longer in stock and you gotta wait for it.

Out of the 3 options Gamestop is providing, the rent/lease to own option is the best in the way that you walk away with the Console and have the option to make payments, anywhere from 30 days to 1 year. The hope is that the Console doesn't end up being $1100 or some crazy number once you finish paying off.

 

[HawarMiran]

And another Wednesday is history. Oh well................

PS VR spotlight kicks off today

This week sees new reveals and updates on upcoming games, as well as a VR-focused PS Store promotion .

blog.playstation.com

Hey all. Over the next few days, we're going to spotlight some upcoming games coming to PlayStation VR, including some announcements and updates for previously revealed PS VR titles.

It kicks off today at 3pm BST / 4pm CEST / 7am PST, and we'll have further updates to share each day at the same time through to Friday.

And as mentioned, this is all about the games. So to manage expectations, there'll be no PS5-related news.

 

[SlimySnake]

I believe if 25% is based off ipc gains of RDNA 1. I think it's safe to say RDNA 2 will hit 40% more efficient over Polaris easily. RDNA 2 is 1.5 per watt better performance over RDNA 1 meaning 50%. I believe and assume with my lil understanding and little Brain that 20% gain of IPC gain is easily reachable. Which would hit 40% over Polaris. I also think I'm being a lil bit reserved in that number. I understand it is hard to make assumptions with scalability in these instances. I think we will get better info soon.

IPC gains and perf/watt gains are not the same. perf/watt basically allows for SAME performance for FEWER watts. while IPC or architecture gains allows for MORE performance for the SAME clocks/tflops.

again, if the architecture is the same, and the only managed to improve wattage, you are not gonna magically make a 4 tflops gpu and turn it into a 6 tflops polaris gpu.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Does IPC necessarily scale with performance per watt? What if the RDNA 2 gains are in the supported features and reduced power consumption?

That is fair question. And to answer to an extent it does play somewhat a factor. Yet the IPC will have an easily a performance gain of I would say at least by 15-20% over RDNA 1. I wouldn't be surprised if it hit closer to 35-50% performance gain over RDNA 1. There is a reason Nivida dropped Info and show off the RTX 3000 series. I believe RDNA 2 is on even playing field with Nivida 2000 series of cards. Remember Nivida doesn't do anything cheap or for free or show in tell unless it has too.

 

[Entroyp]

How Tom Warren is holding a job at a major publication amazes me. They must have incredible low standards, but on the other hand that describes gaming journalism as a whole.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

IPC gains and perf/watt gains are not the same. perf/watt basically allows for SAME performance for FEWER watts. while IPC or architecture gains allows for MORE performance for the SAME clocks/tflops.

again, if the architecture is the same, and the only managed to improve wattage, you are not gonna magically make a 4 tflops gpu and turn it into a 6 tflops polaris gpu.

We know there is some form of performance gain. How much is the Question. But RDNA 2 is doing Ray Tracing built in to the pipeline. RDNA 1 didn't. Then we know at least 50% performance gain per watt. So we know the IPC has been change and customized. Or this would still be RDNA 1 and not RDNA 2.

With said the question is how much more performance does RDNA 2 have? We don't have an answer yet. But if you think 20-25% performance over Polaris from Just RDNA 1, then I feel it's safe to say RDNA 2 can hit 40% performance over Polaris.

Now in a few weeks we will get more details and a better understanding of RDNA 2. Which will help answer a lot of Questions.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Yea expect to see this every day from the same and many others as well.

There is a reason why, and I dont know it exactly, that MS gets tons of free positive exposure. Either exaggerating the truth or just lying.

The "oops we didnt mean for everything to be revealed" on the 25th PS anniversary thing was comical. ,

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Why does Sony make them so infrequently?

I don't know but this product seems more like a side project of them. I guess it's the first Sony product to really use the EXT port on DS4 and it appeared just at the end of the generation. Hopefully they can be quicker on developing accessories to the DualSense.