Mr Moose
Gold Member
Didn't you say almost the same thing already?
I won't be getting the PS4 version, seems pointless getting it at the same time as the PS5 versions release.
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I won't be getting the PS4 version, seems pointless getting it at the same time as the PS5 versions release.
thebigmanjosh
Member
Bladed Thesis
Member
Stop doing the trains, guys.
Trust me. I've said it every time since the PS5 GDC. To Xbox and PS5 trains.
Don't do it.
Trust me. I've said it every time since the PS5 GDC. To Xbox and PS5 trains.
Don't do it.
TheAssist
Member
Final Fantasy 16
Ratchet and Clank
Demon Souls Remake
Spiderman
God of War
Deathloop
Kena
Horizon Forbidden West
Destruction All Stars
Little big Planet thingy
BUGSNAX
Ghost Wire Tokyo, God Fall
Gran Turismo 7
Little Devil Inside
Quantum Error
Returnal
Stray
Probably within the next 12 months for most of these games, except maybe FF16
The Mad Draklor
Member
I'm pretty much on the same boat with the exception of waiting for RNDA2 benchmarks before committing. Content-wise, the PS5 show was pretty solid. But I don't appreciate the sneaky-sneaky stuff Sony is doing. It doesn't matter how much better Sony markets the PS5 than Microsoft marketing the XSX. That's such a low bar anyways and the PS5 doesn't offer enough unique value proposition that makes me want to get one immediately.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Calling it now, GT7 and Returnal might be cross gen titles too.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
whats the point of a 8 core 16 thread CPU when you are going to be limited by a 8 core single thread CPU running at 1.6 ghz?
Whats the point of shoving an SSD down our throat for 30 miserable minutes in March when you are going to be limited by a 20 MBps SSD anyway?
Whats the point of making us buy a $500 console when i can play the same shit on my PS4?
John is right. There is no fucking point.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Horizon, at least the cinematics they showed, is fucking gorgeous...
Who gives a shit if it's on PS4?
Same with Spiderman.
Talented teams can scale games... and for the most part games are just gonna keep being the same games we are playing with better graphics and load times..ya'll need to get over it lol
Who gives a shit if it's on PS4?
Same with Spiderman.
Talented teams can scale games... and for the most part games are just gonna keep being the same games we are playing with better graphics and load times..ya'll need to get over it lol
saintjules
Member
I called a random Gamestop store within my radius. They said they don't know if they will be the selected Retailer to take pre-orders. I'm sure they'll know later tonight.
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Entroyp
Member
Same here... if GoW is cross-gen I will go ballistic on Sony...
FunkMiller
Banned
Genuinely reconsidering my pre-order at the moment. If everything's either going to Ps4 or PC, why do I need a Ps5 again?
Same argument as Xbox Series X now.
Might do a bit of research on best gaming pcs...
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
So hopefully, HOPEFULLY, that can stop now that we establish both Sony and MS are shit right now when it comes to next gen.Looks like. I'm sat here thinking about it, and I can't even be angry. They just played us all like fiddles.
Both companies are pretty much doing the same thing. We've all been arguing over nothing.
I predict the real battle with next gen will be when next gen ONLY titles show up in a year or two. I think then the battle will heat up.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
I agree, they'll still look great but... Imagine if they weren't held back by the PS4
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Ok, let us try to be SERIOUS for a moment here....!
All this time, after sony came with the strong and bold "commitments", there must have been written at least 1000 pages here in this topic alone.
And you have the nerve to tell me about "CONJECTURES"?
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
What happened, mate.
Sony misleading us
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Sony removed the Demons trailer from their channel.
danielJackson
Banned
Headset price is ok, but 80€ for games IS A JOKE.
80€ is 94,5$ usd.
Sold copies on launch will drop, even current 60-70€ is too much for many.
I almost never pay full price and this turns it into never.
Getting 100 physicals/gen like im used to would cost 8000€, madness. Almost 10000$
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Demon's Souls is an old game, remake, already held back. Spiderman MM is 100% held back.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Right i'm over it now. Jim the Marketing Man fucked us and that's that
Still not playing on that weaksauce PS4 and PC is still dogshit
So PS5 here we come!
Still not playing on that weaksauce PS4 and PC is still dogshit
So PS5 here we come!
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Ok, let us try to be SERIOUS for a moment here....!
All this time, after sony came with the strong and bold "commitments", there must have been written at least 1000 pages here in this topic alone.
And you have the nerve to tell me about "CONJECTURES"?
I know you enjoy poking people and thinking you are upsetting them which you probably achieve in some cases.
Honestly with me its a futile attempt with this kind of narrative.
Have a good one man
IllegalLemon
Member
If there was a typo and that pc release mention in the demon's souls trailer was meant to be for a different trailer, then perhaps Sony should apologize for making such an amateur mistake. Being a typo might actually be the case the way I see it. Hopefully, that's how it is.
3liteDragon
Member
From their blog post:
Sounds like cross-gen support at least MIGHT stop late 2021 with God of War: Ragnarok (Please Sony lol). Also the wording on cross-gen games is interesting cause you can't tell whether these games were built from the ground up for PS5 and then optimized for PS4 or vice-versa. Still waiting to see how HFW and GOWR gameplay look on PS5 before saying anything else though, cause Jim Ryan and PlayStation are looking hella sketch rn.
Sounds like cross-gen support at least MIGHT stop late 2021 with God of War: Ragnarok (Please Sony lol). Also the wording on cross-gen games is interesting cause you can't tell whether these games were built from the ground up for PS5 and then optimized for PS4 or vice-versa. Still waiting to see how HFW and GOWR gameplay look on PS5 before saying anything else though, cause Jim Ryan and PlayStation are looking hella sketch rn.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I agree, they'll still look great but... Imagine if they weren't held back by the PS4
I think some of you are going to be sorely disappointed when there isn't a massive difference between what Sony is able to do with cross-gen and what they can do with true next-gen.
Obviously there will be differences... but you guys are expecting too much IMO.
Sony with cross-gen will probably murder 3rd party next-gen for most of the generation I'd bet.
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Vae_Victis
Banned
Cinematics are not really held back by other versions, unless it's such a drastic jump you can't even run the same engine or assets in the same ballpark. There is no dynamic design to account for. You don't have to think "if I write the AI this way for the PS5 version, it won't run on a PS4 and that will mess up the whole game as a consequence". For the cinematics you just scale back assets for the PS4 version until it can keep pace with the scene without melting.I agree, they'll still look great but... Imagine if they weren't held back by the PS4
Faithless83
Banned
Geez Horizon on PS4? Demon's Souls on PC?
Come on Sony. WTF are you doing?
The PS Plus deal is nice, but I already have the games...
At least we got the 499/399. I guess...
Come on Sony. WTF are you doing?
The PS Plus deal is nice, but I already have the games...
At least we got the 499/399. I guess...
kyliethicc
Member
Ehh I dont agree. $399 and God of War Ragnarok. Train worked for me.
Audiophile
Member
Sorry, but cross-gen Miles Morales & especially Forbidden West has delayed my purchase til next year. Sony said they believe in generations and a clean break; they've reneged on that as far as I'm concerned. How can they traverse the gap between 1.6Ghz Jaguar <> 3.5GHz Zen2 & HDD <> Ultra High Speed SSD/IO while offering experiences truly impossible elsewhere? They either hold the PS5 version back in terms of the fundamentals or they build two very [functionally] different versions of the game.
A big selling point/differentiator of PS5 was a clean break & doing what you couldn't before. It's not that I don't want PS4 players to be in on the action, but I don't see how you can do anything but water down your product with this approach; which ultimately hurts everyone. PS4's had a good run.
I've always loved the PlayStation platform and I hate to sound like a grumpy bastard, but I'll likely buy PS5 later next year when there's hopefully a full next-gen 1P title to play (God Of War?!). Cross-gen upscales like Spidey & Horizon will be eBay purchases; when I get round to getting a PS5, as I'd still prefer to play the upscaled versions.
PS4 Pro is getting sold when I'm done with Season 6 of MW. Looks like I'll be having a year off gaming.
A big selling point/differentiator of PS5 was a clean break & doing what you couldn't before. It's not that I don't want PS4 players to be in on the action, but I don't see how you can do anything but water down your product with this approach; which ultimately hurts everyone. PS4's had a good run.
I've always loved the PlayStation platform and I hate to sound like a grumpy bastard, but I'll likely buy PS5 later next year when there's hopefully a full next-gen 1P title to play (God Of War?!). Cross-gen upscales like Spidey & Horizon will be eBay purchases; when I get round to getting a PS5, as I'd still prefer to play the upscaled versions.
PS4 Pro is getting sold when I'm done with Season 6 of MW. Looks like I'll be having a year off gaming.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yuuuup 100% agree.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
He has to act like this, given all his articles and rants about why Halo Infinite xbone should be dropped
Tiago07
Member
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Xbox discord/FUD qorking overtime with 'Demon's Souls' coming to PC immediately after the show! Look at what the source of this story is! Ridiculous
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Yup. Anything that takes advantage of the new SSDs in the next gen machines and uses the CPUs without being trapped by weak sauce ancient HDDs/CPUs is going to be the biggest upgrade.
Vae_Victis
Banned
Betting they will replace "Coming to other consoles later" with "Coming to PS4 later". That's what is really flipping a lot of people, the idea it could come to Xbox. They announced several other games for PC, no need to make it a special case for this one in particular.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
couldn't agree more
That and wanting to sell games to an install base of 110 million PS4 owners.
Surely people understood both of these obvious realities going into this?
Neo Blaster
Member
It's an internal expansion bay, although I'm really curious about where it is located.
smallpotatosan
Member
It's clearly an error they made because it makes no sense by saying it's exclusive AND going PC. Called it from the start.
kyliethicc
Member
I hate PCs so its no option for me. You couldn't pay me to play a PC. Windows is dogshit. Macbooks are fine for normal life. Not gaming.
I'm just not sold on a needing a PS5 this fall. Reminds me of 2013. I got my PS4 in summer 2014 and I may just patiently wait out the craziness this holiday, pick up my PS5 next summer when there's stock and God of War 2 and GT7 are coming soon.
My 3 biggest anticipated PS5 games were GT7, GOW2, and HFW. Now Horizon is no hype, and so it looks like the must have games aren't coming til 2021 for me. Thankfully I still have The Last of Us Part II to beat on Grounded, and so many more.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Yes, everyone thought their approaches were pretty much the opposite but in the end it seems they're taking the same route. But it seems Sony was really focused in delivering a LOT of games in the first year, which is not the case for the competition. Now I really think the rumors that a lot of these games were in development for PS4 are true.
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FunkMiller
Banned
"Shit! They hate the idea of it coming to PC!"
"Change of plan, lads! We'll pretend it's not for six months, and announce it again then!"
That's literally what's happening.
Emmy
Neo Member
I think it was a typo. But that's okay, why it's so hard for Sony to clarify certain things?
The source is the trailer lol come one not everything is FUD
kyliethicc
Member
I think this is the expansion bay? on the side/bottom. That rectangle above the vent.
My guess is the only supported drives will be "naked" M.2 2280 form factor. I imagine a caddy sled will slide out and you'll put the drive in, slide it back inside and the PS5 will have built-in heatsink around it. Whether on the sled or inside the console. Sorta like how the PS4 HDD works now.
I assume it has to be just a plain M.2 drive with no extra heatsink or fan to keep it small and fit inside. 22mm x 80mm is the most common used form factor on PC.
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TheAssist
Member
Well, I just preordered my PS5 DE at Saturn Germany.
First time preordering a console. I always waited at least 2 years. But this time its so i can further delay the new PC which will be quite expensive since I have to upgrade everything. And at 399 I'm cheaper than the GPU alone and have plenty left for some games which right know is more important to me than a bit more raytracing at triple the price.
First time preordering a console. I always waited at least 2 years. But this time its so i can further delay the new PC which will be quite expensive since I have to upgrade everything. And at 399 I'm cheaper than the GPU alone and have plenty left for some games which right know is more important to me than a bit more raytracing at triple the price.
GreyHand23
Member
I think the writing was on the wall. DF was shocked that everything was running in native 4k at the last event and I'm guessing that's because these are all cross gen games and R&C is a very early PS5 game. I imagine the true PS5 exclusives coming further in the future will be a lower resolution and upscaled using ML or other methods and really go all out with graphics.
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