Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Neo Blaster said:
You keep thinking about graphics and forget about game design and mechanics. We probably lost Spiderman swinging at insane speeds and Aloy flying on winged beasts.
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Sony says, built from the ground up for next gen. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. I think the MM demo leads credence to their claim. It looks and performs better than anything on the market or demoed so far. We know Insomniac is working on Spiderman 2 and tuning a new engine. MM is a tuneup for them getting their feet wet with building 4K assets. While it won't take advantage of everything the PS5 can do, It is definitely next-gen.
 
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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
For sony? In absolutely no way. He brings in the monies, as long as he does that, that's the only corpo measure for his success
For customers? we shall see...



Although I always try to write in a very simple and explanatory manner, it is not my obligation for every reader to understand.
Some people understand, some people just won't understand.
And that's life for you...
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You were the one that brought up that RDNA1 doesn't scale linearly from 1.8 GHz to 2.1 GHz. That's fine. When someone told you that you cannot just assume the exact same for RDNA2, you all of a sudden make a wild claim about that person saying only PS5 will scale but Xbox won't scale - even though that is irrelevant and not the point he was trying to make.
 
jonnyp said:
You were the one that brought up that RDNA1 doesn't scale linearly from 1.8 GHz to 2.1 GHz. That's fine. When someone told you that you cannot just assume the exact same for RDNA2, you all of a sudden make a wild claim about that person saying only PS5 will scale but Xbox won't scale - even though that is irrelevant and not the point he was trying to make.
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I dont like to repeat myself. Go watch the video. From the beginning.
When you are done, repeat. I believe that at some point you will understand better.
 
TheGreatWhiteShark said:
In the video clearly Bandwidth is described as one problem, that even if you could clock higher, you'd still get close to zero benefit.
Bandwidth on 5700 is the same as in playstation 5

p.s. I had a good laugh with your comment that "DirectX may have been specifically altered to play a role" :messenger_beaming:
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The whole thing is opaque, but by all means if you want to hold DF up as a credible transparent source of scientific testing for such things then that's completely your choice.
 
I can't believe how stacked PS5's first year is in terms of console-, timed- and Playstation 5 exclusives.

  1. Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  2. Demon's Souls
  3. Sackboy: A Big Adventure
  4. Astro's Playroom
  5. Destruction AllStars
  6. Godfall
  7. Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart
  8. MLB 21: The Show
  9. Returnal
  10. Horizon Forbidden West
  11. Gran Turismo 7
  12. God of War: Ragnarök
  13. Deathloop
  14. GhostWire: Tokyo
  15. Kena: Bridge of Spirits etc..
And maybe Final Fantasy XVI?
 
Passive_Bob said:
I can't believe how stacked PS5's first year is in terms of console-, timed- and Playstation 5 exclusives.

  1. Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  2. Demon's Souls
  3. Sackboy: A Big Adventure
  4. Astro's Playroom
  5. Destruction AllStars
  6. Godfall
  7. Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart
  8. MLB 21: The Show
  9. Returnal
  10. Horizon Forbidden West
  11. Gran Turismo 7
  12. God of War: Ragnarök
  13. Deathloop
  14. GhostWire: Tokyo
  15. Kena: Bridge of Spirits etc..
And maybe Final Fantasy XVI?
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I'm surprised by how many first and second party games are there. Does this means the second year of the console will be lacking (on first party content)?
 
Kerlurk said:
Ok, here you go.

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Obligatory explanation:
I've pro-rated the memory on the XSX, as not sure how else you can make the comparison.
((10/16)*560) + ((6/16)*336) = 476 GB/s
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This is cool, thanks. But can you add 2 more columns, 1 with GPU shader count, and another with GPU clock speed, to replace TFLOPS for the GPU?

Flops is less useful as a metric than CU/shader counts and frequency. The One X had advantages in both, while now the PS5 is faster, while the Xbox has more shaders.
 
TheGreatWhiteShark said:
this guy is on a truth-roll


having bought spiderman and all dlc already, it is a real dick move that I will have to re-buy for enhancements
and this is fuckin' first party we are talking about here!
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I think people should hold on for just a bit. No one has SAID that you won't get the upgrade if you already bought the game and DLC. They just haven't announced anything. I'm betting they WILL announce you get the upgraded version. Let's just see...shall we?
 
Passive_Bob said:
I can't believe how stacked PS5's first year is in terms of console-, timed- and Playstation 5 exclusives.

  1. Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  2. Demon's Souls
  3. Sackboy: A Big Adventure
  4. Astro's Playroom
  5. Destruction AllStars
  6. Godfall
  7. Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart
  8. MLB 21: The Show
  9. Returnal
  10. Horizon Forbidden West
  11. Gran Turismo 7
  12. God of War: Ragnarök
  13. Deathloop
  14. GhostWire: Tokyo
  15. Kena: Bridge of Spirits etc..
And maybe Final Fantasy XVI?
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Final Fantasy XVI

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kyliethicc said:
I doubt God of War is 2021. And Sony still have plenty of more games unannounced for 2022 and beyond. Maybe even more in 2021 yet to be shown.
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The only games I can think of are the rumored SOCOM reboot, the rumored Silent Hill reboot, Santa Monica's second project, Spider-Man 2, MLB 2021, Days Gone sequel, the rumored new IP from Naughty Dog, maybe something else from Bluepoint, Kojima's next project and other second party deals they got in place. Well, writing this made me realize there is still a lot coming, lol.
 
Kerlurk said:
Cause I wanted to keep the scale at 100%.
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fair point.
Still there are discrepancies among cpu and gpu:

XSX gpu is either 16.7% (12:10.28) faster or the PS5 GPU is 14.3% (10.28:12) slower .. not sure where those 18% come from. Same with the CPU, 8%?

3.6Ghz vs 3.5Ghz SMT enabled on both, no clue why you went with
3.8Ghz NO-SMT vs 3.5Ghz SMT
XSX CPU is 2.86% faster (3.6:3.5) or the PS5 CPU is 2.78% slower

you think you can fool us!

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Dan_of_Rivia said:
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Who´s michael?
 
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Snowdonhoffen said:
The only games I can think of are the rumored SOCOM reboot, the rumored Silent Hill reboot, Santa Monica's second project, Spider-Man 2, MLB 2021, Days Gone sequel, the rumored new IP from Naughty Dog, maybe something else from Bluepoint, Kojima's next project and other second party deals they got in place. Well, writing this made me realize there is still a lot coming, lol.
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Yeah thats a lot of games, plus 3rd party. So so much to play
 
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NEbeast said:
Haha, that message was still there from earlier. I was going to buy a few games but I'm waiting for the ps+ collection on ps5. I'm sure most people here have the majority of the ps big hits anyhow.
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I only played maybe 4 titles from the list. Ps+ is a blessing to me. I will play those titles first. Then hopefully get demon souls at discount later. crossing my fingers...
 
TheGreatWhiteShark said:
Interesting example.

I posted a video earlier from DF with a test on hitman, trying to illustrate both the performance differences clock speed produces, AND the performance differences CUs produce


-On a 36 CU rdna gpu, going from 1.9Ghz to 2.1Ghz produces only a 6% advantage
-While a 40 CU rdna card at 1.8xGhz already overperforms the 36 CU GPU at 2.1Ghz, with only 4 CUs more, AND this at the same teraflops

(Edit: For those of you that are not able to understand, and put smiley emoticons on this post, here basically DF disproves cerny's "rising tide" bull-theorem)

Although the entire video segment is important and quite eye opening, you can just jump to just before the 7th minute point for the test.
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Does that account for the jump you get in rasterization? Is that across the board?

Regardless, it may be an interesting intellectual exercise but doesn't mean much in the 'real world.' We're seeing parity in announced third party games so far which indicates that as we've heard all along, these two new machines a pretty even in performance.
 
King Harkinian said:
fair point.
Still there are discrepancies among cpu and gpu:

XSX gpu is either 16.7% (12:10.28) faster or the PS5 GPU is 14.3% (10.28:12) slower .. not sure where those 18% come from. Same with the CPU, 8%?

3.6Ghz vs 3.5Ghz SMT enabled on both, no clue why you went with
3.8Ghz NO-SMT vs 3.5Ghz SMT
XSX CPU is 2.86% faster (3.6:3.5) or the PS5 CPU is 2.78% slower

you think you can fool us!
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You think your technical kungfu can compare to me!

Try to snatch the tflops from my hand.

If you can't take 12.155 for the XSX, then stop wasting my time!

CPU has already been fixed, in a later post

Now don't come back to the master till you know the proper moves.
 
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FunkMiller said:
Two points:

1. You think cinema is too high art for game stories? Have you seen a Michael Bay film?

2. TV is the far better medium for great storytelling, especially on streaming sites like Netflix. It's MUCH better than the movies are these days.

When are you writing your post from? 2003?
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Maybe for you cinema only existed in 2003.

Movies are a Way,Way higher level than game stories its not even close. It's just another level. It is what it is. Can say whatever you want about Michael Bay he's one of many greats in Hollyweird. He made Armageddon & And brought Transformers to life. Wont find games or films shot at the level of transformer scenes. That shit is phenomenal.

SOME TV shows are great. But Cinema movies are just a different level. Stuff like The Wire, Narcos, True detective ,The fall ,Game of thrones are great.But they ain't the Godfather. All your favour TV show's are great. But they are not The Matrix,Training Day,Crash,Manchurian Candidate, The Departed , Inception ,Shawshank Redemption , Heat, Serpico, Rain Man , Alien ,Seven , Saving Private Ryan, Philadelphia, Fargo , Devils Advocate. So many more ,many way before my time.

Put some respect on Hollyweird & Cinema.
 
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MasterCornholio said:
Isn't the difference between the PS4 and the X1 greater than the difference between the XSX and PS5?
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Xbox one hás that split memory esram nightmare with gddr3, against an unified memory of gddr5. I bet this difference played a big role on keeping things more stabble cause its Just much better to work with.

I dont think tetaflops should always be taken as an explanation for everything.
 
So... I'm overseas in South Korea for work and last night at midnight preorders opened up for the PS5. Everything sold out in 10 minutes across 11 online sites and even the 30 offline stores. I had no chance, haha. Oh well, I can wait until I get back to the states sometime early next year.

The hype is real.
 
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jonnyp said:
You were the one that brought up that RDNA1 doesn't scale linearly from 1.8 GHz to 2.1 GHz. That's fine. When someone told you that you cannot just assume the exact same for RDNA2, you all of a sudden make a wild claim about that person saying only PS5 will scale but Xbox won't scale - even though that is irrelevant and not the point he was trying to make.
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But ps5 is rdna1 also, wich makes the comparison more valible.

Another important thing I'd like to point out is that ps5 gpu actually performs on average on 8-9tf as It cant keep the other clocks. Also, the chip burns
 
IbelieveInGenerations said:
But ps5 is rdna1 also, wich makes the comparison more valible.

Another important thing I'd like to point out is that ps5 gpu actually performs on average on 8-9tf as It cant keep the other clocks. Also, the chip burns
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Please say your joking.

😲

Seriously you know what happens here with those "numbers".

Edit: My sarcasm meter is broken in case your wondering.
 
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