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Not if it's within normal specifications, no. Now, if you go with an aggressive overclock you're going to need a bigger PSU and a huge case. That's not even a knock on the PS5, but SmartShift is meant to increase the efficiency of any given power budget, the fact they still need a unit as big as the PS5 clearly demonstrates how far outside the sweet spot they are. Looks like the new AMD cards are going to be twice the size of the 3090.
No, I think the length of the PS5(when laid on it side) is because of the 12 channel custom SSD controller setup and the resultant performance and how you keep that cool to maintain the performance by keeping them away from each other. I think the thickness/height of the ps5 is to house a double sided heatsink - making the overclock efficient - so at worst I would expect AMD cards to occupy twice the width of now ( 1 extra PC expansion slots bay behind as well as the 1 in front) but remain the same length form factor.

On the topic of Xsx and PS5 power, now I think about it, from Cerny's post-Road to PS5 interview with DF, he made the point about a new form of optimising for power in the PS5, as a real gain, so with the power supply comparison as it is, and the shift to constant power and variable boost clocks on PS5, it will be interesting to know, what that constant power draw is on PS5, and if it is more than peak power usage from the XsX when playing Gears 5 or Minecraft RT - which should be high occupancy and high power draw.

In the event the PS5's power draw is higher by a significant amount, then the "most powerful console" claim by xbox is false (and already over) IMHO, as computational capability of the PS5's APU will only get better as the generation goes on with power optimisation - going by what Cerny said, each and every power optimization will lead to higher frequency for the same workload - because the optimisation will have reduced the unoptimized workload occupancy - or resulted in capacity for new work to occupy the freed resource by optimisation, which leads to a higher computation per watt, in either situation.
 
Huh.. no physical release is interesting..

Miles Morales part is getting a physical release right? Just not this ultimate edition that comes with the remaster? Whole thing is kinda odd.
Yes both MM versions are physical releases, ultimate comes with DLC code for the remaster.

People don't pay attention, they said this days ago :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
I'd rather not see big purchases made like this today. I think it hurts the industry. Makes you wonder if Sony will have any response. I think good candidates to be purchased would be Housemarque, Bluepoint, From Software, and Kojima Productions. It's better to grow internally and then give exclusive contracts like Sony does. Microsoft is a little desperate internally so they outright bought all the IPs talent out breaking the bank. Smart move by them but bad for the consumer.

Hopefully this makes Sony get more aggressive and consumer-friendly. Competition is good. I could see a majority stake happening in SquareEnix too considering their history with Sony.
 
they will do what Sony did with evolution studios, guerrilla Cambridge, zipper studios, incognito, and London studios.... Shut them down.
I know how they work internally, if they were to shut down a studio they would move people into other teams . With big acquisitions usually there is some readjustment.
 
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Yes both MM versions are physical releases, ultimate comes with DLC code for the remaster.

People don't pay attention, they said this days ago :messenger_grinning_sweat:
Oh got it.. so they are still "selling it physical" but it's a DD code...

The question asked is kinda odd as the remaster also doesn't have a separate digital release... Sony being kinda weird here IMO... trying to avoid the perception issue of charging for a re-master I guess but it isn't working on the internet lol
 
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I think Sony and Microsoft loose money on the Digital boxes so they aren't making as many of them for launch. They know early adopters will go for the more expensive 'elite' console during this period. Which is better for their pocket. Next year I can see them pushing the digital consoles harder.
Agree this point you explained is incredible harder for some people to understand, the early are adopter are usually
fans or people who always looks to play the last games in a better way (hardcore) so they complete version of
each console are usually more attractive for them.

Of course they will "honour" unless they want to pay a big chuck to Sony.
It is a contract if you break it you need to deal with the penalties.
Exactly this are companies not people if they do or not something is almost always because money.

Oh man I would've liked to play the next doom and TES, I guess I'll have to build a pc at some point in 3-4 years
Welcome to GPUs war well is more a massacre by NVIDIA.

Don't worry his response will be "Now Bloodborne in PC".

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Oh got it.. so they are still "selling it physical" but it's a DD code...

The question asked is kinda odd as the remaster also doesn't have a separate digital release... Sony being kinda weird here IMO... trying to avoid the perception issue of charging for a re-master I guess but it isn't working on the internet lol
Yeah it's weird, forcing to pay for the MM ultimate to get it. Unless they announce a free upgrade, which I doubt but who knows lol.

Here's the info about MM UE:

What's In the Box

Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Launch Edition includes:

  • Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  • Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered*
  • T.R.A.C.K. Suit*
  • Second Spidey Suit – TBA*
  • Gravity Well Gadget*
  • Extra Skill Points*
*Account for PlayStation™Network, and internet connection required for code redemption. Code expires 01/01/2024. Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Launch Edition includes a voucher code for Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered – the complete award-winning game, including all three DLC chapters in the Marvel's Spider-Man: The City That Never Sleeps adventure – remastered and enhanced for PS5™.
 
I know how they work internally, if they were to shut down a studio they would move people into other teams . But with big acquisitions usually there is some readjustment.

They had rumors awhile back Shinji Mikami was going to rejoin Capcom under the new financially backed studio that had ex-clover/PG devs. They made REmake 3 and are doing REmake 4. Mikami was asked if he'd do RE and he said he'd like to do it again. Tango Gameworks has underperformed and Ghostwire Tokyo looks like it had development problems. They're not a good fit with with Microsoft especially a Japanese studio. It makes me hope they're allowed to break off and go where they want. I hope they rejoin Capcom if that happens I'd like to have Mikami back at Capcom making RE games.
 
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Big-ass-fish fo Microsoft.

PlayStation fans need not worry. You'll still see stuff from Bethesda. And if not...I plan on upgrading my PC down the line anyway. RDNA3/Hopper making the jump to multi-chip modules and 3D stacking? We'll see.
 
Yeah it's weird, forcing to pay for the MM ultimate to get it. Unless they announce a free upgrade, which I doubt but who knows lol.

Here's the info about MM UE:

What's In the Box

Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Launch Edition includes:

  • Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  • Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered*
  • T.R.A.C.K. Suit*
  • Second Spidey Suit – TBA*
  • Gravity Well Gadget*
  • Extra Skill Points*
*Account for PlayStation™Network, and internet connection required for code redemption. Code expires 01/01/2024. Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Launch Edition includes a voucher code for Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered – the complete award-winning game, including all three DLC chapters in the Marvel's Spider-Man: The City That Never Sleeps adventure – remastered and enhanced for PS5™.

I'm buying the Ultimate edition myself digitally regardless... just seems like a missed opportunity to not release PS5 Spider-Man separately... it's downloaded separately, likely a separate "app" on your PS5, but won't even be on their digital store for sale?

Just seems really odd to me. Feel like the only reason is for them to avoid discussions about it's price, not giving it away free to PS4 owners, etc... but like I said, they are kinda failing at that.

edit: Either way Sony definitely not super happy with MS pushing the "Smart Delivery" narrative.. and I don't mean the tech, I mean the "get the upgraded version free" thing lol
 
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This is certainly pushing me at least a little to the Xbox side. As I have maintained, I will probably get both consoles at one time or another, and I can fully understand why PS might be the way to go first even for people thinking of getting both, as any way you cut it, Sony are swinging much harder in the first year or so in terms of exclusive content (despite a few booboos in the last week). But my favourite genre has always been open world RPGs, western ones specifically, and Xbox is really making a play here in that respect. Horizon is probably the closet we get to that in terms of Sony exclusives, which may well be in my top three games of the gen just gone. So its a tough one. And I know it isn't fully clear how exclusive this is all going to be, and it may well be a long ways off, other Microsoft exclusives included, but its unquestionably a good deal for them and will likely sway a good few people. It can't be underestimated how big these franchises are, even years after seeing good games from them. I wonder what else is left in the studio acquisitions cannon, or any other cannons they or Sony have at hand ...
 
Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.
 
Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.
The games of EA are a little different, with Its new games I think you only play 10 hours.
 
Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.
Just stay in Hold pattern.... Let's see how long Xbox bag of tricks can stay together.
 
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This article made me think that MS AT LEAST approached T2. Did they bought rockstar too ? I think we will see this week but he stated

[While Microsoft's Xbox Game Pass has received plenty of praise in recent years, Zelnick doesn't seem convinced by its relevance as we approach next-gen: "I would say I know pretty much for a fact that there will be certain important front-line titles that will not be available on a subscription basis. Those are very much the titles that people buy these platforms for." ]

Thats something you'll know for a fact when you know they can't buy you i guess. T2 alone can be bought by MS. Sony would be guarantee that GTA6 won't be im gamepass. And that it would be 79$ 😛
 
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Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.
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Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.
The cheap-o version of EA Play that comes with Gamepass is old games + you can "preview" new games.. that "preview new game" thing might not even come to Gamepass, just the old EA titles.

But either way Sony still absolutely dominates mindshare wise and Bethesda if anything has been losing mindshare as of late... it's definitely a huge get for MS but unless Bethesda is farther along on their games they haven't really shown us then it'll be a couple years before the big guns actually come out and matter and Sony will likely be farrrr ahead at that point.
 

This article made me think that MS AT LEAST approached T2. Did they bought rockstar too ? I think we will see this week but he stated

[While Microsoft's Xbox Game Pass has received plenty of praise in recent years, Zelnick doesn't seem convinced by its relevance as we approach next-gen: "I would say I know pretty much for a fact that there will be certain important front-line titles that will not be available on a subscription basis. Those are very much the titles that people buy these platforms for." ]

Thats something you'll know for a fact when you know they can't buy you i guess. T2 alone can be bought by MS. Sony would be guarantee that GTA6 won't be im gamepass. And that it would be 79$ 😛

Eh.. he probably heard rumors about the Zenimax buy. Interview published a week ago, probably done a while before that..

If anything this quote absolutely rules out MS buying Take 2 as he'd never hint at that publicly at all.. (and honestly, nobody is buying Take 2.. it's not for sale lol)
 
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A ps5 and an nvidia shield might be the best way for next gen if you don't want the expense of a pc. Gamepass running on the shield has worked quite well for me. But luckily I also have a capable pc.
Gamepass : MS, EA, Bethesda day one
SONY : 79$ FOR GAME

For the first time ever i think that sony may overvalued their exclusives. Clearly the cant port anything more to PC if they want to stay in the business after this gen. I can only imagine how they are right now reevaluating their whole strategy. I think they underestimated MS like we all. Sony looks stupid buying spiderman addon in Avengers and FF.

I think MS finally believed that gaming has big growth perspective.


Ea play is not new games, it's previous years sports games and older titles. As big a reputation Bethesda has its not like the churn out masterpieces year on year
 
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BTW Take 2 is a publicly traded company.. "buying them" is quite a different proposal than buying a private company like Zenimax.

It's incredibly unlikely anyone is buying or taking over Take 2. The price would be insanely high.
 
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People freaking out from both camps, meanwhile I'm thinking how much I don't like Elder Scrolls or Fallout, I don't even download those games for free on my PC, if you know what I mean (yarg matey!)
 
You guys needed a win, last time with the 12TF was months ago. :messenger_grinning_sweat:


See that I said user base, meaning potential customers. How many versions of Skyrim did we saw again?
Basic math:

5M x $70 = 350M
25M x $10 = 250M

That said, they need to pay the other publishers their cut from Gamepass.
Are you sure they are willing to ignore the sales? Just like they couldn't ignore on Minecraft case.
It's just business, man.
There won't be any sales?
 
People freaking out from both camps, meanwhile I'm thinking how much I don't like Elder Scrolls or Fallout, I don't even download those games for free on my PC, if you know what I mean (yarg matey!)
im mostly kind of bummed about Doom and i would've given TES VI a try even if i didn't really like skyrim
And yea some people are jumping the gun as usual, we have yet to see the big acquisitions we know are coming from sony. I expect them to announce Kojipro joining PS game studios, along with the secret cerny game sometime soon.
 
BTW Take 2 is a publicly traded company.. "buying them" is quite a different proposal than buying a private company like Zenimax.

It's incredibly unlikely anyone is buying or taking over Take 2. The price would be insanely high.
I agree, and we will not hear about T2 acquisition overnight. Pre acquisition news will have to be public.
 
People freaking out from both camps, meanwhile I'm thinking how much I don't like Elder Scrolls or Fallout, I don't even download those games for free on my PC, if you know what I mean (yarg matey!)
Yeah,
But dishonored,prey, evil within, doom.
Those are good games.
 
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I mean, paying $18B for Take 2 is massive, but worth it.
No man that is too much money. For a fraction of that money they could build up multiple studios that develope similar games to those in that portfolio. Take for example Ghost of Tsushima. It is basically an "AC in Japan". Many people wanted such a game for the longest of time but Ubisoft didn't give a shit. And many people want a GTA outside of the US. Maybe a Getaway sequel??? 👀👀👀👀👀
 
Timed Exclusive are much cheaper though.
No need to acquire a company and all the its issues, dept ... and others get to enjoy their games too.

Why Bethesda Was Never That Great
The 1001 Glitches of Fallout 76
The Fall of 76
Bethesda NEVER Understood Fallout
I Figured Out WHY Bethesda Got So GREEDY
Bethesda Is Just... Evil...
Bethesda's SHADY Management

Quick recap of Bethesad, good watch.
And like that☝️a new narrative is born

No good xbox news goes unpunished
 
No man that is too much money. For a fraction of that money they could build up multiple studios that develope similar games to those in that portfolio. Take for example Ghost of Tsushima. It is basically an "AC in Japan". Many people wanted such a game for the longest of time but Ubisoft didn't give a shit. And many people want a GTA outside of the US. Maybe a Getaway sequel??? 👀👀👀👀👀

Man, stop, don't say The Getaway! One of my most beloved classics of all times. It's owned by London Studio, which is part of Sony's WWS! So they should be doing something all this time? Is this the rumored classic coming to life? And yes, they already have plenty for ip's, they only need to secure the good studios like Bluepoint that have great history with them, one guy here suggest to me.:messenger_sunglasses:
 
And like that☝a new narrative is born

No good xbox news goes unpunished

The narrative existed for years. You can only hope that MS is capable of changing that. Todd is a pathological liar and under him ES6 might be 32x times the details of FO4 =)

Are you perhaps deliberately ignoring all the shitposting in Sony related threads? In this threads for hundreds of pages, on the other threads? Lets not point fingers at each other.
 
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Yeah,
But dishonored,prey, evil within, doom.
Those are good games.
Evil Within is the only one from that list that I enjoy, I'm not the biggest fan of first person games, I can play some of them if I find the multiplayer fun, but for single player games I just can't get hooked on them, I skipped RE7 and I'm going to skip RE8 for that reason, even thought I really like the Resident Evil series.
 
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