FranXico
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Single LOD is not an UE5 specific thing. In general, if you can stream the models fast enough, and efficiently cull the geometry, you won't need multiple LODs any more.
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Anchovie123
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Holy fuck if this is the final price this is horrible. The Samsung 980 Pro 1TB costs the same and that SSD is 7gb/sec
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Dabaus
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Dwelling on the the zenimax purchase, do you think Microsoft made this move because they caught wind of an acquisition from either Sony or another company trying to get into gaming?
Another thought I had is that going off of shipment numbers and potential first year sales, Sony could really build a sizable advantage. Do you think if the sales split is 12-15 million Ps5s sold vs 6-7 Xbox's sold that Microsoft would ignore the Ps5 sales and limit their zenimax games to the smallWe installed base? What if by 2021 were looking at 20 million Ps5s to Xbox 8-10 million? Would share holders even allow the Xbox division to ignore PlayStation at that point? Who knows.
Final thought is this, we dont know if Microsoft is really going to keep these Bethesda games off Ps5, especially if Ps5s installed base is too big too ignore. That's an unknown. I would assume, and this is an assumption on my part, but there's no way Sony doesn't make some big moves of their own. We'll have to see what happens.
Another thought I had is that going off of shipment numbers and potential first year sales, Sony could really build a sizable advantage. Do you think if the sales split is 12-15 million Ps5s sold vs 6-7 Xbox's sold that Microsoft would ignore the Ps5 sales and limit their zenimax games to the smallWe installed base? What if by 2021 were looking at 20 million Ps5s to Xbox 8-10 million? Would share holders even allow the Xbox division to ignore PlayStation at that point? Who knows.
Final thought is this, we dont know if Microsoft is really going to keep these Bethesda games off Ps5, especially if Ps5s installed base is too big too ignore. That's an unknown. I would assume, and this is an assumption on my part, but there's no way Sony doesn't make some big moves of their own. We'll have to see what happens.
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Snowdonhoffen
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Damn, a few more bucks and you could end up buying an XSS.
kyliethicc
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And the 980 Pro is almost 3 times faster, plus has a 5 year warranty. Xbox cards only have a 3 year warranty.Holy fuck if this is the final price this is horrible. The Samsung 980 Pro 1TB costs the same and that SSD is 7gb/sec
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Wraith Phantom
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No.Its most likely Sony tech. They "collaborated" for years.That whole UE5 demo was a Sony show imo. Look at the plugin section that fits into unreal 4 .Sony owns the company below.
Everything in that video stinks of UE5 & PS5 right? Replace "Atoms" with "Nanite"
We will be paying similar for Sony version no doubt. I know I will only be buying Sony version. Not touching 3rd party stuff.
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aclar00
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Quick question
How will Gamepass handle microtransactions and DLC? Will the games be released once all DLC or seasons ( or whatever its called nowadays) are released for a game, or would you have to buy them separately or would they just be added to gamepass upon release? Guess this is more of a question for day 1 titles.
How will Gamepass handle microtransactions and DLC? Will the games be released once all DLC or seasons ( or whatever its called nowadays) are released for a game, or would you have to buy them separately or would they just be added to gamepass upon release? Guess this is more of a question for day 1 titles.
WhispersintheWind
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I was hoping they would be $149 to $179 US. But looking like it's going to be $199 a piece. I thought it was strange with pre orders up yesterday that you couldn't Pre Order them.
Bo_Hazem
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Nanite, yes. You can name it whatever you like, but it's native in PS5: timestamped
"It's a brand new capability". Damn, this video keeps on giving. Primitive Shaders are game changer.
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jose4gg
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This is like the bible of PS5, no matter what topic, it always has something to tell...
Bo_Hazem
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Yup, as said before, it's the other way around. And that company has been bought by Sony in 2017, I think.
People need to understand that a GIANT called Sony Pictures, along with their Imageworks that has a huge library of Hollywood assets, are complimenting SIE.
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ZehDon
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No, Primitive Shaders are not Nanite. Primitive Shaders are patented AMD technology, Nanite is virtualised geometery created in software within Unreal Engine 5. Nanite will work on Xbox Series X, or PC, or PS4, etc., because its implemented at the engine level. Primitive Shaders won't, because its a hardware feature set.
For Xbox, Microsoft use Mesh Shaders in DX12, and they can operate in either hardware or software.
PlayedStation
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Yes!!! I just called my nearest gamestop and asked about it, the employee said she wasn't sure but to find out I'd have to call back this Friday. I'm taking that as a yes.
Mahavastu
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Before the Bethesda announcement it looked like Microsoft gave up the next generation before it even started.
If they wanted to keep XBox and Gamepass a viable option in the long term they needed to do something. The Bethesda purchase was a power move with large potential.
look how much money Sony leaves on the table by not releasing their games on PC or XBox. They could probably double their revenue by selling on PC/XBox too.
But they understood that exklusives sell systems and that large numbers of sold and running Playstations are better for the long term income than earning a few more bucks short term by selling some more copies of the games.
Consider the Microsoft 1st party games (including betheda and id Software) as "not going to playstation" from now on.
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Mahavastu
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Microsoft would still keep their App Store alive, and you do not need more then this.I still wonder what the heck would happen to our digital game libraries if Xbox did shut up shop. It's not going to happen in my lifetime, I hope.
The customer could still get the games for windows.
Bo_Hazem
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I know that Primitive Shaders is hardware-based, nanite is software-based. Of course, hardware-based is always better, as software would take advantage of it much better. Thanks for the other details.
kyliethicc
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I doubt Sony will make their own M.2 ssd. No point. Plenty of suppliers already.
Dave_at_Home
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I'd like to add people are forgetting a certain company here...
Google. Stadia.
The purchase of Bethesda may sting Sony, but it's a dagger in the heart for Stadia.
Nowcry
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Nanite or any developed micro-polygon system have in common the need for large bandwidths for textures.
What Bo means is that PS works very well with that system due to its internal architecture and even if Bo doesn't remember it. PS5 has one advantage, Primive Shaders is that it works very well with VRS by saving certain textures before it goes into the pipe and not just in the rendering step.
This, together with what has been said about nanite, will provide a great improvement in the administration of the IO and the VRAM.
PS: The disappearance of the LOD has to do with the management of RAM thanks to the IO controller. Either in micro polygons or in the traditional system. In micro polygons it is totally imperceptible thanks to the intermediate rasterization by software and in the traditional one it will be more perceptible but much less than what we are used to.
I hope the translator does the job well.
LED Guy?
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LED Guy?
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LED Guy?
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No I just put it in my preorders list, not gonna pay for that piece of trash, unless.....Microsoft gobbled up Sony.
Bo_Hazem
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No I just put it in my preorders list, not gonna buy that piece of trash.
I thought you went to the villains. Thank God.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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lets do some simplified math together:
fallout 4 had around 8mil sales total at its launch period. PC sales account to ~2/5
now, ps4-xbox initial split was 58-42 at first, while consoles sold were 36m-18m, so with 200% more ps4s consoles sold compared to xboxes.
that means that in the period that there where 36m-40m ps4s sold, fallout sales where 3million or less. so definitely less than 10% of total ps users.
lets take your best case scenario, when next bethesda game launches there will be 12-15 mill ps5s sold.
that would mean less than 1-1.5m sales, which in dollars means up to ~$70 to ~$100mil.
Why on earth would you gimp a $7.5billlion investement on the first release to grab at best case scenario ~$100mil?
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Captain Hero
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I don't know why I'm thinking about it for a week but I really want The Order 1886 sequel to be true and Sony is working on it with RAD . Imagine what it looks like on PS5
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Neo Blaster
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You totally missed the point. I'm not saying the upgrade should be free, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't be forced to buy another game(MM) to be entilted to upgrade Spiderman PS4. They should offer an option without needing to buy MM.
kyliethicc
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pretty sure Ready At Dawn only make Facebook VR games now.
Bo_Hazem
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One of the best sound effects and visuals this gen, if not the best. I'm really hurt, I need a sequel.
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kyliethicc
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They haven't ruled that out yet, on Twitter they said they are considering that option
Captain Hero
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they are creating AAA games for console and VR
yewles1
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Facebook buys Ready at Dawn, studio behind Lone Echo and The Order: 1886
The creators of Lone Echo are now part of the Facebook family
www.polygon.com
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Three Jackdaws
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I think the no LOD's is a end result of the Nanite technology, not sure how dependent it is on the SSD bandwidth but I'm certain Sony's in house engines could achieve the same results.
MasterCornholio
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This thread.
jose4gg
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Facebook buys Ready at Dawn, studio behind Lone Echo and The Order: 1886
The creators of Lone Echo are now part of the Facebook family
If MS is honoring their contract Amazon can have a game for PS5... But is hard to believe for me, Sony got rid of every studio that underperformed the last generation,
That includes my precious Evolution 
SportsFan581
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Accidently on purpose, this was the one region they weren't quite as sure about.
See, you can start a conspiracy theory about almost anything.
captainraincoat
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It's technically not a bad price for that size ...I preordered it anyway as I'm guessing people are gonna realise pretty quick they are gonna run out of space with 100-250 gig games droppingHoly fuck if this is the final price this is horrible. The Samsung 980 Pro 1TB costs the same and that SSD is 7gb/sec
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I'm dreading the ps5 prices with out lovely aus tax
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Three Jackdaws
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All this talk of game engine technology reminded me to post this. Matt Hargett (former PS5 engineer) and Bob Duffy (crazy software dude) will be on RedGamingTech's podcast discussing all this stuff. Pumped for this! Should be released within the next 2-3 days I think.
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jose4gg
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One of the few YouTubers that are capable of having a conversation with engineers... love to see him doing great
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Three Jackdaws
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Yes exactly, it's actually great for many reasons, especially for us console/hardware enthusiasts because we get these awesome people like Matt Hargett and other industry veterans discuss and provide insight on these kind of technologies including next-gen stuff!
kyliethicc
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Its the same price as brand new Samsung Gen4 M.2 drive that is 3x faster, has a 2 year longer warranty, and is the same size.
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IbelieveInGenerations
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Will Sony show anything on tgs?
smallpotatosan
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support pc parts? No way. it's anti consumer. The pro consumer MS made sure no one can buy the wrong drive
smallpotatosan
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I doubt games start to use primitive shaders yet. But yep, that the future
ethomaz
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Seems like Sony is trying to increase the shipment to catch the high demand.
Captain Hero
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Man .. that PS5 " ready to ship " message is making me happy all day long , just give it to me goddammit.
MasterCornholio
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Lol at this.
Joey.
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Just thinking out loud and its probably been mentioned 1000x now but...what do you think the odds are that MS still releases Bethesda titles onto PS5 (i.e. starfield, ES6, etc) but then puts them on the Xbox via GamePass so its still advantage to Xbox really. Huge get for Xbox and huge get for GamePass subscribers.
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Self High Five
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MS will do their due diligence to see how they can maximize their investment. If they feel the need to keep it exclusive to PC/Xbox to grow their ecosystem, they'll do that. If they feel they can charge $60 on PS5 and still attract new consumers over to gamepass, they'll do that as well.
I can't even imagine it will be a Minecraft situation but who knows really.
The ribbing of Doncabesa in this thread will never get old
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