MasterCornholio
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Aliens Vs Predator 2 was excellent.
Aliens Colonial Marines is your typical Gearbox garbage.
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Aliens Vs Predator 2 was excellent.
Aliens Colonial Marines is your typical Gearbox garbage.
Nickolaidas
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It's difficult to hold a grudge to ACM when it was the reason we got Isolation.
farmerboy
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Official or not, it's still a fan preaching to other fans with whatever they can get a hold of.
Gaming is not in Xbox's DNA. They pivot to whatever they think they can make money with. Its just a division. Playstation has always been about the games. Night and day difference.
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ethomaz
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He said it in a podcast for Kotaku.
Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet
I don't like feeling that I have to preface with this, but I honestly don't give a crap about fanboy wars nor is this some 'dGPU' hopeful bullshit that would completely close every gulf with the SeX, but it does seem interesting that a guy with known well placed industry sources is saying Sony...
And in a tweet already posted in this page.
Crm114
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So what's the deal with HDMI 2.1 and the PS5/Xsex?
Hopefully you guys can clarify a few things because theres such a lack of information on all this.
When people are saying "you won't be able to take advantage of VRR without HDMI 2.1!" What exactly are we taking advantage of ? Is the technology automatically built in the chipset and when you plug it into a compatible tv you gain access to it for everything? Or is it on a game by game basis and the developer has to decide whether they'll incorporate it. Also we currently have access to HDR with HDMI 2.0 but apparently we're gonna get superior hdr witha higher color gamut ? Is this across the board or on a game by game basis as well ?
Since most games will be at 30fps or 60fps I don't really care about 120hz and if I'm gonna upgrade my 4K tv that's still good, there has to be a good reason to do it.
These you tubers are making it seem like we need these TVs when nobody knows wtf is going on lol
Hopefully you guys can clarify thx !!
Hopefully you guys can clarify a few things because theres such a lack of information on all this.
When people are saying "you won't be able to take advantage of VRR without HDMI 2.1!" What exactly are we taking advantage of ? Is the technology automatically built in the chipset and when you plug it into a compatible tv you gain access to it for everything? Or is it on a game by game basis and the developer has to decide whether they'll incorporate it. Also we currently have access to HDR with HDMI 2.0 but apparently we're gonna get superior hdr witha higher color gamut ? Is this across the board or on a game by game basis as well ?
Since most games will be at 30fps or 60fps I don't really care about 120hz and if I'm gonna upgrade my 4K tv that's still good, there has to be a good reason to do it.
These you tubers are making it seem like we need these TVs when nobody knows wtf is going on lol
Hopefully you guys can clarify thx !!
sircaw
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You know if Jason Schreier is correct and xbox does in fact have the inferior machine, i wonder where that leaves Microsoft in terms of this generation.
Having an inferior console and no exclusives for a few good years is one hell of a battering. Maybe we will see a new revised console with better specs for them to compete. Perhaps another reduction in price, 50 bucks or so in price.
Will Microsft be happy to play second fiddle for the next 4 years?
He said it in a podcast for Kotaku.
Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet
I don't like feeling that I have to preface with this, but I honestly don't give a crap about fanboy wars nor is this some 'dGPU' hopeful bullshit that would completely close every gulf with the SeX, but it does seem interesting that a guy with known well placed industry sources is saying Sony...www.neogaf.com
And in a tweet already posted in this page.
You know if Jason Schreier is correct and xbox does in fact have the inferior machine, i wonder where that leaves Microsoft in terms of this generation.
Having an inferior console and no exclusives for a few good years is one hell of a battering. Maybe we will see a new revised console with better specs for them to compete. Perhaps another reduction in price, 50 bucks or so in price.
Will Microsft be happy to play second fiddle for the next 4 years?
geordiemp
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sircaw
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i used to love Heather Graham, now that was a woman. Cough.
Get that hugh grant skank off there.
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carloseduardocd
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If all these things really happens, maybe it will be one of the funniest thing i will see in entire game industry.
I don't have any problems with Xbox, but of course, there are lot of gamers (including youtubers and others) that don't know anything about bits and bytes, but talk everyday about Teraflops, like the only and magic variable that defines the entire thing.
The professionals will laught a lot about it. For many times.
Jose92
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HDMI 2.1 is the new hdmi standard VRR or Variable Refresh Rate is one of the new supported features which is basically freesync.
To get all the added benefits of hdmi 2.1 you need 3 things a HDMI 2.1 TV/Monitor a hdmi 2.1 source and a HDMI 2.1 cable, Why do you need a new cable you ask ? well because to support all the new features and the higher resolution and or faster frame rates, the cable needed to have nealry triple the bandwidth of the hdmi 2.0 cable to accommodate for the new added features.
The following are the new features of the hdmi 2.1 standard:
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HDMI 2.1b Specification Overview
HDMI 2.1b technology enables end-to-end 8K & 4K solutions, faster refresh rates, and Dynamic HDR support. ✓ Click here to learn more about HDMI 2.1b
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LiquidRex
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MastaKiiLA
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You mean Elizabeth Hurley, who was a bit of a saggy mess IMO, but still a good-looking woman. Heather Graham was in the 2nd movie. She was Rollergirl in Boogie Nights and The Hangover. I'll always have a
LiquidRex
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But what if the PS5 is equivalent of 13tfs compared to XSX due to the difference in RDNA feature sets.
The RT implementation is different to XSX for example.
sircaw
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I think you misread my post abit, i think Huge grant and Elizabeth Hurly went out together or were married. Thats why i kinda referenced him.
Trust me, i def know who Heather Graham is, i first fell in love with her from the movie lost in space.
Crm114
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HDMI 2.1 is the new hdmi standard VRR or Variable Refresh Rate is one of the new supported features which is basically freesync.
To get all the added benefits of hdmi 2.1 you need 3 things a HDMI 2.1 TV/Monitor a hdmi 2.1 source and a HDMI 2.1 cable, Why do you need a new cable you ask ? well because to support all the new features and the higher resolution and or faster frame rates, the cable needed to triple it's bandwidth to accommodate for added features.
The following are the new features of the hdmi 2.1 standard:
Quated from here:
HDMI 2.1b Specification Overview
HDMI 2.1b technology enables end-to-end 8K & 4K solutions, faster refresh rates, and Dynamic HDR support. ✓ Click here to learn more about HDMI 2.1bwww.hdmi.org
Sorry I should of been clearer my bad! I'm aware that vrr is a new feature to hdmi 2.1 and that you need a tv/monitor, PS5 (for example) and the cable it comes with to take advantage of the feature.
What's not clear is that does it just work out of the box or is it something thats gonna be implemented on a game by game basis? Same thing with enhanced color gamut with dynamic HDR.
I'm not gonna upgrade my tv for Dirt 5 in 120 fps or Fortnite and I'm not a PC gamer. If you're telling me that VRR/freesync works from the get go with games like Miles Moralis etc I'm all in. If it's a feature that will work some of the time then I'll just stick with my hdmi 2.0 4k dolby vision TV I have now instead of dropping 2 grand.
Jose92
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I think it will be a system wide setting, if a compatible device is detected it should give an option in the system setting to enable VRR which should work in all games. Like the xbone s and x did.
i think we only can wait and see after the embargo lifts or consumers get the machines to be able to know for sure how each system deals with the new features.
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Snowdonhoffen
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So we got to the point where they can't accurately pixel count games due to great reconstruction techniques. It seems they think it's dynamic resolution just becuase Insomniac has done that in the past but they're not sure. But anyway, now I know why they said they needed to find another way to analyze and compare games, bacause unless the devs straight out say it, there's no way to tell if it's a native resolution or not.
Crm114
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Thanks for your response. yea I guess we have to wait and see like you said. It's just frustrating to see all these recommendations when people don't fully know all the details yet.
oldergamer
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What a total load of fanboy shit that is. Jason Schreier is incorrect, and its not like he has an inside track to find out anything Xbox related. Anyway, you or others can be as delusional as you want.
xacto
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So... it's like they're kind of out of their job now? Finally!
sircaw
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but what if it is true?
These cache scrubbers need to count for something yer?, what about those coherency cores?
i mean they are custom silicon, why are you just dismissing them off the bat?
MasterCornholio
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Both consoles are going to have features that the other doesn't have.
Don't see why
oldergamer
is calling that BS.
sircaw
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Both consoles are going to have features that the other doesn't have.
Don't see why
I think it's more to do with ps5 having it that upsets him.
If the article said xbox has cache scrubbers, oldgamer would have been all over it like an Eskimo over a seal cub.
JonnyMP3
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Maybe even the throughput alone makes it a superior hardware.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the SoC contains some tech that is not included in the Xbox.
What do we know about the Seriex X SoC? Pretty much everything, since it was revealed at Hotchips.
On the other hand, Sony couldn't show the PS5 SoC white paper.
So, yes I expect something cool.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the SoC contains some tech that is not included in the Xbox.
What do we know about the Seriex X SoC? Pretty much everything, since it was revealed at Hotchips.
On the other hand, Sony couldn't show the PS5 SoC white paper.
So, yes I expect something cool.
MasterCornholio
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And who could forget all that custom hardware for the I/O?
JonnyMP3
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Fucking EVERYBODY???
It's all a month away and bitches still be bitching about the same old shit.
JonnyMP3
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Boogie Nights
Snowdonhoffen
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Also Jason is one of the most if not the most reliable gaming journalist out there. Just his scoops from this year alone speak from themselves. Even is someone doesn't like him we can't deny the dude hears a lot of stuff that ends up being true.Both consoles are going to have features that the other doesn't have.
Don't see why
Sony skipping E3, Horizon on PC, saying E3 has being cancelled before it was officially announced, PS5 not winning the Tflops war, The Future of Gaming date/week, Halo Infinite's development issues and it possibly being released in parts, crunch at Naughty Dog and CD Projekt Red, and more. He received a lot of shit for some of his claims but we all know how things turned out.
MasterCornholio
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It really is sad to see some people claim they they don't have exclusive features. It'd always like this every generation.
Going back to Jason's comment. If Sony didn't talk about those features it's probably due to an NDA.
Pretty interesting how an embargo for the PS5 is lifting right around AMDs RDNA2 event.
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Fortuneelsewhere
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That assumption came from Alex... that guy is beyond words.. if you pay attention you see that he is the entire video downplaying every positive that John says about the game.. from what I've read the game will be 4K native 30 FPS with RT and 4K injected at 60 FPS... we need to wait and see.. it will not be long now..
danielJackson
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Out of topic - just installed Alien Isolation on my PC via Game Pass (played it years ago on my PS4). Started replaying it. Man, I forgot how awesome that game was ...
IMO alien isolation is epicly over rated game, devs really fucked up it too badly.
explanation:
atmosphere is nice, it starts nicely.
In movies there is always the feeling of "aliens are savage merciless killing machines, but there is a chance to beat them"
So, I played it and got revolver, then did the logical thing when that fucker came towards me on corridor:
shot him 6 times in face/brains.
But Alien didnt die, because devs made it immortal. I tried it again few times, to be sure, but no, even point plank shots into its brain dont kill it.
(I dont know if it/they are killable later in the game, I stopped play it soon after)
So, in the game player wont have to fear the "savage brutal alien, which is really difficult to kill, but not impossible, so it is usually better to run than fight" instead devs force player to run, because alien is immortal.
So, what is the fun in that?
conclusion: alien isolation devs were not good, they break the immersion by stupid mistake of making alien immortal. That is not scary, that is cheating.
They should have done it so that alien is killable, not easily, but killable.
Kind of similar thing almost ruins dead space games.
in the begining you are almost naked in hostile space ship, can feel the cold dirty air touching your skin. Then you get super hi-tech armor with isolates you from the environment. At that moment those games lost all scary atmosphere, I just felt like bad ass space knight whom cant be touched. But still great games, armor just removes the fear factor for me.
JonnyMP3
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It's Blast Processing vs Mode 7 regenerating itself in some weird Doctor Who vs The Master fashion.
Imtjnotu
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Ma
Made it half way through before I finally bitched outOut of topic - just installed Alien Isolation on my PC via Game Pass (played it years ago on my PS4). Started replaying it. Man, I forgot how awesome that game was ...
Great Hair
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M A J O R P L O T T W I S T !!!!
Watt if Haissenburg iz Deelar?!! OMFGGGGGG!!!!!11111
duhmetree
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At this point I would be disappointed if the PS5 does not have a form of 'Infinity Cache' and a RDNA2 feature that 'utilizes high clocks speeds' for RT. Or some proprietary magical feature that utilizes their SSD, Cache and high clock speeds.
Secret sauce or bust
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MasterCornholio
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The console is designed around keeping those CUs fed so there has to be a good amount of cache in it. Hopefully this get cleared up soon.
Games Dean
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Edit: Already discussed.
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Nowcry
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I don't understand, I think all of that has already been confirmed on Road to PS5.
High speed from SSD to GDDR in 1: 1 ratio, thanks to Cache Coherency, Dram, OnRamChip, IO controller, Cache Scrubbers.
Hight Clock Speed are also confirmed.
I think what you mean is:
What we want to know now is that infinity cache is present to further maximize CUs, and also RT high speed as Matt said. But I think at least 2 things mentioned are already confirmed.
Elog
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The piece that fascinates me the most is how much the last year tells us about Microsoft and how it is run.
MS pushed the campaign 'The most powerful console ever' really hard as soon as the two TFLOP numbers were semi-public (as far as I can tell the message changed from June onwards to 'The most powerful XBOX ever'). This is a comparative statement, i.e. 'we are more powerful than the PS5'.
If you make such a statement you need to be damn sure to deliver on that message. I am certain that Hardware Gandalf and his crew sat on enough information already then that the PS5 was shaping up to be a solid machine (somewhere between 'on par with XSX but with some real I/O advantages' to 'slightly more powerful than XSX with some real I/O advantages').
Despite the engineer's knowledge, MS's' MBAs and ladies with necklaces and blouses decide that the marketing message 'the most powerful console ever' was the thing to run with. In other words, the technology company Microsoft is run by the MBAs and not the engineers.
We have seen this play out across various high-tech companies - especially in the USA - with terrible results: Intel, Boeing, Merck etc - it never ends well. These companies' reality is defined by science and all decisions need to be made with that in mind.
I know that to a significant extent this was known - it just fascinates me since if MS does not win all those multi-plat comparisons this will come back and bite them. Feels like the beginning of a deja vu - and that is not good. We need solid competition for good games to come out.
And it also tells us something about all those 'journalists' out there since almost all of them just drank the marketing/PR BS straight out of the bottle instead of thinking independently. Jason should get some real credit for actually talking to insiders and relaying that information.
Hi guys! Been lurking this thread the whole time. 
Can't remeber when my last post was, maybe the day before Cerny's GDC talk. I can't wait for the PS5 to release it will be awesome! I decided to go with a new sony 4k tv but it seems like I'll get it in 2021. I got a guided tour this summer and got to see the PS5 devkit irl. Pretty cool! Need to get some good headphones also, the sound is crazy good!
I'll say both consoles are beasts and no matter wich one you choose it will make you happy. The best alternetive would be to get both of them if you have the money and time. Sadly for me I barely got time for one. As stated before I won't bother to get vetted so I won't answer any questions.
The time for a new gen is soon here and my god it's time!
Take care guys! Some of you are funny as hell and I like the atmosphere in this forum more than any other forum. Ok back to lurking for me!
Can't remeber when my last post was, maybe the day before Cerny's GDC talk. I can't wait for the PS5 to release it will be awesome! I decided to go with a new sony 4k tv but it seems like I'll get it in 2021. I got a guided tour this summer and got to see the PS5 devkit irl. Pretty cool! Need to get some good headphones also, the sound is crazy good! I'll say both consoles are beasts and no matter wich one you choose it will make you happy.
The best alternetive would be to get both of them if you have the money and time. Sadly for me I barely got time for one. As stated before I won't bother to get vetted so I won't answer any questions. The time for a new gen is soon here and my god it's time!
Take care guys! Some of you are funny as hell and I like the atmosphere in this forum more than any other forum. Ok back to lurking for me!
sircaw
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Hi guys! Been lurking this thread the whole time.
I'll say both consoles are beasts and no matter wich one you choose it will make you happy.
The time for a new gen is soon here and my god it's time!
Take care guys! Some of you are funny as hell and I like the atmosphere in this forum more than any other forum. Ok back to lurking for me!
Enjoy your console and your games on release you dirty lurker.
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Three Jackdaws
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Hi guys! Been lurking this thread the whole time.
I'll say both consoles are beasts and no matter wich one you choose it will make you happy.
The time for a new gen is soon here and my god it's time!
Take care guys! Some of you are funny as hell and I like the atmosphere in this forum more than any other forum. Ok back to lurking for me!
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Garani
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I get that, but you have to look into the long plan.
With this kinda trauma, I get why you write the weird shit
It was about time.
duhmetree
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Yeah, I meant Infinity Cache wasn't mentioned yet and we haven't seen any 'secret sauce' from AMD regarding RDNA2 yet. It sounds as if high clocks and Infinity Cache will play a role.
From what I've gathered so far, the PS5 is an iteration of the Radeon 6000 series/Navi21/22 ( or vice versa? ). PS5, as it seems, looks to take advantage of EVERYTHING RDNA2 has to offer. ie, High Clocks, cache infinity etc.. .
Which makes me wonder where does that leave Microsoft? IF they dont have high clocks and/or infinity cache, where does that leave them? Will RT/developing be an issue for them? Would the PS5 really have all this proprietary tech? It does fit the theme
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MasterCornholio
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The biggest question that people have about the clocks is whether it's the peak clocks or the game clocks. I really hope the PS5s can hold it's 2.23 GHz clocks the vast majority of the time otherwise it would be a tad disappointing if the average clock is something like 1.8 GHz.
I'm really hoping AMDs event answers this question.
duhmetree
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Cerny already stated at the 'Road to PS5' event. It will be at or close to those speeds. If I remember right... he also said, it could even go higher ( clock speed ) but it would then throttle the CPU.
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I wholeheartedly agree with MS on this one. Series X is the quietest console when running the new 1st party games. I can actually hear crickets.
Randy Randerson
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2.23 GHz is the max for the GPU. The downclocking is based on workload to remain within the power budget. Smartshift allows the PS5's unused CPU to be shifted to the GPU. Otherwise you are correct, the expectation is the GPU stays at or very close to the max
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