Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ToadMan said:
Unfortunately Netflix has never made money. In fact just a few days ago its share price tanked and that's during a pandemic when people have a lot more time to consume content at home. I mean everything is in favour of the subscription model and Netflix is still in trouble.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ne...s-disappointing-subscriber-growth-51603227293

Subscriber/rental models have never been successful and MS isn't the company to find the way to change that.

That's why Gamepass will fail long term. The main question is the damage it does to MS in process. The secondary question is how long it will take MS to see this and do a deal with Sony.
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Did you read it ?

"Netflix shares are falling in late trading after the streaming video giant posted September quarter subscriber growth that fell short of both guidance and Wall Street expectations.

Netflix (ticker: NFLX) added 2.2 million net new subscribers in the quarter, below the company's forecast of 2.5 million, and well below recent Wall Street estimates which in some cases topped 5 million. Revenues in the quarter were $6.4 billion, a little ahead of guidance at $6.3 billion but in line with Street estimates."


saturated market for not meeting expectations.
 
IntentionalPun said:
Sony fans: Gamepass encourages Microsoft to release AA games full of MTX, they are going to ruin gaming with the subscription model!

Sony: Plans to release AA game @$70 loaded with MTX.

Sony: Decides to instead include the game day one on one of their subscription services.

Also Sony fans: Based Sony, thank you! Great move!
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IntentionalPun said:
Sony fans: Gamepass encourages Microsoft to release AA games full of MTX, they are going to ruin gaming with the subscription model!

Sony: Plans to release AA game @$70 loaded with MTX.

Sony: Decides to instead include the game day one on one of their subscription services.

Also Sony fans: Based Sony, thank you! Great move!
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Let's be real here. The game has zero hype from here. When talking about next gen with friends and such, this game was never brought up. *


Keeping a game alive by moving it to plus is only a plus
 
ToadMan said:
Unfortunately Netflix has never made money. In fact just a few days ago its share price tanked and that's during a pandemic when people have a lot more time to consume content at home. I mean everything is in favour of the subscription model and Netflix is still in trouble.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ne...s-disappointing-subscriber-growth-51603227293

Subscriber/rental models have never been successful and MS isn't the company to find the way to change that.

That's why Gamepass will fail long term. The main question is the damage it does to MS in process. The secondary question is how long it will take MS to see this and do a deal with Sony.
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"Subscriber / rental models have never been successful" - posts link to article about Netflix making a profit.
 
BigLee74 said:
Do developers stop making games on launch day or something, and we are stuck with what games are released then?

If not, what's eating you? Especially if you aren't getting an Xbox...
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In the case of Xsex it seems 1P devs didn't start making games for launch, never mind stop ...

I guess MS 1st party was busy turning out the massive library of xbone games we have ...
 
IntentionalPun said:
I'm aware of that. I never said PS+ was the equivalent of Gold.. if you can't grasp my point I don't know what to tell you.
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Yeah I guess I missed your point completely.
I don't think Sony fans would say anything if Xbox Live Gold got "free" games (which you would need PS+/XLG to play MP games anyway).
 
X-Fighter said:
The Coalition is building a new game probably... Turn 10 is working on the next Forza, and Fable has always been a AAA game. No reason for this to suddenly change. The only thing you can say is that there aren't first party AAA games at launch, sure that's true. Has nothing to do with future game titles, or Game Pass though.
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Goes a bit beyond that doesn't it? As far as I can see there are no AAA exclusives for Xsex for the first half of the gen.

Given that all those MS 1P studios seem to be at the beginning of development and AAA takes 5 years these days.
 
IntentionalPun said:
Sony fans: Gamepass encourages Microsoft to release AA games full of MTX, they are going to ruin gaming with the subscription model!

Sony: Plans to release AA game @$70 loaded with MTX.

Sony: Decides to instead include the game day one on one of their subscription services.

Also Sony fans: Based Sony, thank you! Great move!
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I can't even see the relation...

Care to explain?
 
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Mr Moose said:
Yeah I guess I missed your point completely.
I don't think Sony fans would say anything if Xbox Live Gold got "free" games (which you would need PS+/XLG to play MP games anyway).
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Both XBLG and PS+ are subscription services that come with "free" games... the fact nobody complains about them doesn't change that. And now Sony has a day-one MTX loaded game coming to PS+.

Which is totally fine to me. Sony will likely continue to develop AA MTX games and hopefully puts them on PS+ and/or PSNow day one too. And hopefully PSNow starts getting day-one AAA games at some point too.
 
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MistBreeze said:
don't be triggered for nothing man

I did not say microsoft will develop 2d games

but do not expect games on the scope of horizon or miles morales or TLOU or GTA or even call of duty

they are multi hundreds million developed game can not cover there expenses unless it is several million copies sold for 60 dollars for each game

this is a business model all console makers and publishers agree on for dacades

the gaming industry can not sustain any model else
microsoft can not come this late and say all is wrong and all is unticonsumer for selling 60 dollars game

microsoft is not charity and can not burn money for xbox like nothing

either way do not expect games on scope of sony and Nintendo flagships in this business model
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Another aspect of game pass that`s rarely mentioned is that it pretty much removes the most powerfull incentive devs have to make great games, that is, consumers voting with their money.

With an firm revenue, devs will be tempted to release unpolished half-baked games.
 
IntentionalPun said:
I'm aware of that. I never said PS+ was the equivalent of Gamepass.. if you can't grasp my point I don't know what to tell you.
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I can tell you that you put everyone in the same basket claiming that all "Sony fans" have the same views and opinions and none of them support any kind of subscription (which is very unreasonable in today's world).

Maybe a step back from a binary mentality would be good?
 
ToadMan said:
Goes a bit beyond that doesn't it? As far as I can see there are no AAA exclusives for Xsex for the first half of the gen.

Given that all those MS 1P studios seem to be at the beginning of development and AAA takes 5 years these days.
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Of what we know the date, Halo Infinite is the first one, will release in 2021.

I personally think we will see Star Field in 2021, Forza and Hellblade in 2022.
 
Captain Ashley said:
I can tell you that you put everyone in the same basket claiming that all "Sony fans" have the same views and opinions and none of them support any kind of subscription (which is very unreasonable in today's world).

Maybe a step back from a binary mentality would be good?
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I'm a Sony fan who thinks subscription services are a nice option that aren't ruining gaming.. I don't have a binary mentality was just making a joke.

I just don't know why anyone isn't super concerned with Sony developing AA MTX loaded games.. instead they just want the game lol And it 100% is some of the same people who whine about Gamepass.
 
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RogueHALLINAN said:
Did you read it ?

"Netflix shares are falling in late trading after the streaming video giant posted September quarter subscriber growth that fell short of both guidance and Wall Street expectations.

Netflix (ticker: NFLX) added 2.2 million net new subscribers in the quarter, below the company's forecast of 2.5 million, and well below recent Wall Street estimates which in some cases topped 5 million. Revenues in the quarter were $6.4 billion, a little ahead of guidance at $6.3 billion but in line with Street estimates."


saturated market for not meeting expectations.
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And your point is?
 
BigLee74 said:
Do developers stop making games on launch day or something, and we are stuck with what games are released then?

If not, what's eating you? Especially if you aren't getting an Xbox...
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I'm not the guy you quoted... BUT

It's a major red flag in management IMO. How long did Microsoft know about Project Scorpio? At the least 3-4 years? 3-4 years is MORE THAN ENOUGH time to line up some 1st party games. It speaks to the ongoing issue with Xbox as well. Putting all the eggs in Halo Infinite basket. The ecosystem needs more diverse games. Halo, Gears and Forza is played out IMO
 
Tmack said:
Another aspect of game pass that`s rarely mentioned is that it pretty much removes the most powerfull incentive devs have to make great games, that is, consumers voting with their money.

With an firm revenue, devs will be tempted to release unpolished half-baked games.
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exactly,,, the medium must play competitive and a well designed game will sell millions of copies at full price

see Nintendo games rarely price drop but sells
and sony first party and big AAA 3rd party as well
 
Tmack said:
Another aspect of game pass that`s rarely mentioned is that it pretty much removes the most powerfull incentive devs have to make great games, that is, consumers voting with their money.

With an firm revenue, devs will be tempted to release unpolished half-baked games.
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Not even that.

IF Starfield and Elder Scrolls are Microsoft exclusive, I'd get gamepass for that month, then cancel. $10-15. How is that supporting ALL the devs on Gamepass? Microsoft will have to subsidize their gaming industry.
 
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duhmetree said:
IF Starfield and Elder Scrolls are Microsoft exclusive, I'd get gamepass for that month, then cancel. $10-15. How is that supporting ALL the devs on Gamepass? Microsoft will have to subsidize their gaming industry.
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They won't release full size games, they will release them in small segments to string you along...
 
carloseduardoxp said:
More secondos after 5:46 and you will see many other pop-ins :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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It's an OG XBox game, so it was written with a CPU from the stone age in mind, so from a technical point of view it is expected to be not on the same level as a native next gen game.
The only thing is, that they showed something with such obvious problems at all.
 
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X-Fighter said:
Of what we know the date, Halo Infinite is the first one, will release in 2021.

I personally think we will see Star Field in 2021, Forza and Hellblade in 2022.
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infinite Craig? Not xsex exclusive. But putting that aside, sure that certainly ticks the box for AAA budget. In fact if the rumours are true it's probably AAAAA budget.

Does it tick the box for being an example of quality gaming on Xbox though?

Well it seems the internet has so far decided "no". But your standards for entertainment content are probably lower than most.

Hellblade is a UE5 game - and UE5 isn't released yet - and a sequel to an AA game for which we've seen no gameplay. 2022 is optimistic if it's really AAA - I think this ends up 2023 and is still a AA game with a AAA marketing budget. Perhaps it'll be as good as Ryse.

Starfield - not Xsex exclusive either. Still pretending it is for your sake, let's see if that's AAA worthy - if it is, that is 2023 earliest now.
 
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They probably saw that the preorder numbers for Destruction All Stars were super low so they decided to do the right thing and offer it for free, it's an online game and it has microtransactions, so you want people playing it to keep it alive.
 
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devilNprada said:
They won't release full size games, they will release them in small segments to string you along...
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Even in small segments they're always available on gamepass. So you can wait until you have a bunch of games you wanna play on it and sub one month, then try it out and if you like it continue playing.

I'm never going to sub a whole year to gamepass, not worth it for me since the majority of games they release there don't interest me anyway.
 
Garani said:
On PS+ will probably be a fun hit like Fallguys has been.
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... and there will be way more Playstations out by february, which is important for a multiplayer.

In the june presentation it looked like it is fun, but at launch, without new informations and for the new higher full price it would be dead on arrival. If one can try it out via PS+ it looks different.
Overall I guess a good decision from Sony, for the gamer and for the game. But I do not know how financials will work...
 
Mahavastu said:
It's an OG XBox game, so it was written with a CPU from the stone age in mind, so from a technical point of view it is expected to be not on the same level as a native next gen game.
The only thing is, that they showed something with such obvious problems at all.
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Exactly.... how bad at this stuff do you have to be to think it's a good idea to show obvious pop in during a highlight reel for your brand new, 12 tflop console, that's meant to be the most powerful in the world?

Just... don't show that. It's easy.
 
I had a feeling Destruction All-Stars was always planned to be a launch PS+ title. The $70/£70 price tag was there so they could claim a high value to the PS+ sub. It's also a little coincidental that this gets announced just before the November PS+ titles on Wednesday. Either way great news for the title and the best way for it to gain traction. Please for the devs as it felt like it was never going to work at the higher price tag.
 
ToadMan said:
Infinite? Not xsex exclusive. But putting that aside, sure that certainly ticks the box for AAA budget. In fact if the rumours are true it's probably AAAAA budget.

Does it tick the box for being an example of quality gaming on Xbox though?

Well it seems the internet has so far decided "no". But your standards for entertainment content are probably lower than most.

Hellblade is a UE5 game - and UE5 isn't released yet - and a sequel to an AA game for which we've seen no gameplay. 2022 is optimistic if it's really AAA - I think this ends up 2023 and is still a AA game with a AAA marketing budget. Perhaps it'll be as good as Ryse.

Starfield - not Xsex exclusive either. Still pretending it is for your sake, let's see if that's AAA worthy - if it is, that is 2023 earliest now.
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How is Infinite not an exclusive? Because it launches on PC too? Well then there aren't any exclusives, and we can stop the discussion.

Quality gaming? First of all we don't have the end result, secondly that was never part of the discussion. You are moving the goal post.

Other games we'll ignore, because for most cases we just don't know enough.
 
X-Fighter said:
How is Infinite not an exclusive? Because it launches on PC too? Well then there aren't any exclusives, and we can stop the discussion.

Quality gaming? First of all we don't have the end result, secondly that was never part of the discussion. You are moving the goal post.

Other games we'll ignore, because for most cases we just don't know enough.
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I will never not think it was a mistake not to have any Xbox exclusives. When the big write up of this generation happens in years to come, it will be seen exactly the same as DRM and TV TV TV was last gen.

It's certainly the reason I'm not buying an XsX, and probably the only one, when you get right down to it. I just want to play fresh, great new games :lollipop_worried:
 
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Three Jackdaws said:
"If we look closer image clarity on the Series X is far superior, now you might be waiting for the pixel counts here but this one is extremely difficult to get a lock on, and to be honest we're swiftly reaching the point where resolution as a metric doesn't matter, we need a different way of looking at this, we need a way of measuring clarity, something we've been puzzling over a fair bit here". Richard Leadbetter on Series X BC improvement of Hellblade.

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Yet they were quick to label Demon's Souls as 1440P.
 
X-Fighter said:
How is Infinite not an exclusive? Because it launches on PC too? Well then there aren't any exclusives, and we can stop the discussion.
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Well, Xbox having no exclusives is not exactly news, is it? Sony does, because many first party games only release on PS, but that's not the case for Microsoft and Xbox.

Now, wether we think this is a good or bad approach is another debate entirely, but Xbox not having any first party exclusives is just a fact.
 
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