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[IbizaPocholo]

Next-generation Pro Evolution Soccer will use a new engine and not the FOX Engine

In an interview with WinPes, Konami’s Kei Matsuda confirmed that the next-generation version of Pro Evolution Soccer will use a new engine. On the other hand, the game’s current-gen version will keep using the FOX Engine. As Matsuda told WinPes when asked about a new engine powering the PES...

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In an interview with WinPes, Konami’s Kei Matsuda confirmed that the next-generation version of Pro Evolution Soccer will use a new engine. On the other hand, the game’s current-gen version will keep using the FOX Engine.

As Matsuda told WinPes when asked about a new engine powering the PES series:

“Our plans focus on the version of the game that is relevant at this time. Updating such technologies is a very risky step. Before creating or releasing anything, you need to evaluate all the risks. In the future we plan to change the main engine, but this will not happen before the time when a new generation of game consoles will appear. On the current generation, the FOX engine will remain forever. We are not planning any changes.”

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Next gen football games are going to look insane visually and play like the real thing.

I cant wait for:
- Real kit and ball physics
- Improved player animation
- Real weather and pitch effects that can influence movement of players and the ball
- Ray traced stadium lights

I better stop typing. Da Boner.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Next gen football games are going to look insane visually and play like the real thing.

I cant wait for:
- Real kit and ball physics
- Improved player animation
- Real weather and pitch effects that can influence movement of players and the ball
- Ray traced stadium lights

I better stop typing. Da Boner.

I had the same dreams until I realized that FIFA rigs the matches and deliberately frustrate you.

 

[Life]

They'll probably still play the same way. AI is still dumb, and will continue to be dumb.

 

[Damien Crowley]

At the same time STILL in WWE-Games:

 

[Saruhashi]

At the same time STILL in WWE-Games:

Looks like extremely accurate "botch physics" to me.

 

[Damien Crowley]

Looks like extremely accurate "botch physics" to me.

Absolutely... Realism first!
The thing is... this is WWE 2k16. 20 doesn't look that much better, if even...

 

[IAmLegendary]

So Kojima and his team spend years developing FOX engine only to be dumped by Konami couple years latter

Fox engine is now officially dead...along with Sillent Hill, Metal Gear, Castlevania and many others....

What a total waste and disaster.....

 

[Saruhashi]

Absolutely... Realism first!
The thing is... this is WWE 2k16. 20 doesn't look that much better, if even...

I long for the days of SmackDown on PS1 and PS2.

 

[Damien Crowley]

I long for the days of SmackDown on PS1 and PS2.

I feel ya!

Dem 8-pixel-nippels!

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I would love an old style arcade football game on PC. Something that plays like International Superstar Soccer. Does such a thing exist?

 

[Generic]

What's the problem of the Fox Engine?

 

[IAmLegendary]

What's the problem of the Fox Engine?

It has Kojima DNA written all over it

Konami want to get rid

 

[Saruhashi]

I would love an old style arcade football game on PC. Something that plays like International Superstar Soccer. Does such a thing exist?

There are a few possible ones. Legendary Eleven and Super Arcade Football come to mind.
I don't know if the old NeoGeo ones are available on PC but they are fun for a quick play.

FIFA and modern PES (which originates from ISS, I think?) are a bit to overly complex for my liking.
I think "arcade" football doesn't sell so well and where the big two seem to rule the market.

I wish Sega would do Virtual Striker remakes.

I don't think any football game has done it for me since Sensible Soccer.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

There are a few possible ones. Legendary Eleven and Super Arcade Football come to mind.
I don't know if the old NeoGeo ones are available on PC but they are fun for a quick play.

FIFA and modern PES (which originates from ISS, I think?) are a bit to overly complex for my liking.
I think "arcade" football doesn't sell so well and where the big two seem to rule the market.

I wish Sega would do Virtual Striker remakes.

I don't think any football game has done it for me since Sensible Soccer.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll have a look later. I spent countless hours on Sensible World of Soccer back in the day. The pinnacle of the Sensible Soccer series, in my opinion.

 

[JordanN]

At the same time STILL in WWE-Games:

Seems accurate to actual wrestling.

 

[Damien Crowley]

Seems accurate to actual wrestling.

Nothing better, than a good botch!

Sorry for derailing... back to the footsies...where I have no "real" opinion, because nothing is more boring than the good old Volkssport.
World Cup 90 on the Sega-3-in-1-Cartridge was all time best!

 

[Saruhashi]

Nothing better, than a good botch!

Sorry for derailing... back to the footsies...where I have no "real" opinion, because nothing is more boring than the good old Volkssport.
World Cup 90 on the Sega-3-in-1-Cartridge was all time best!

Holy fuck!

That is a blast from the past!

Columns and Super Hang On came with this too!?

 

[CJY]

At the same time STILL in WWE-Games:

I didn't know Neymar Jr was also in the WWE

 

[Damien Crowley]

Holy fuck!

That is a blast from the past!

Columns and Super Hang On came with this too!?

I think I have to misremember something... it had to be one with 6 games, because it had also Alien Storm and Super Thunderblade

 

[Saruhashi]

I think I have to misremember something... it had to be one with 6 games, because it had also Alien Storm and Super Thunderblade

Pretty sure it was a 3 in 1 that came packed in with Genisis/MegaDrive. Not 100% sure about that though.

 

[Damien Crowley]

Pretty sure it was a 3 in 1 that came packed in with Genisis/MegaDrive. Not 100% sure about that though.

Knew it:

 

[CJY]

It has Kojima DNA written all over it

Konami want to get rid

I find little reason for them to use a completely new engine. It'd be wholly unnecessary to dump the whole thing for a new engine. The "Fox Engine" name on the other hand... I can see them slapping a brand new label on it and calling it "completely new" while making the necessary upgrades to make it seem "next gen".

I say this because as far as I'm aware, it's unprecedented for a major engine to get rebranded like that and whilst Konami might do things many disagree with, being stupid is arguably not one of them.

 

[Ozrimandias]

I found a great improve over the last year PES

 

[Roufianos]

This is bad news. PES has been back to its best the last few years because they started implementing instead of scrapping the engine year-on-year.

 

[CamHostage]

I find little reason for them to use a completely new engine. It'd be wholly unnecessary to dump the whole thing for a new engine. The "Fox Engine" name on the other hand... I can see them slapping a brand new label on it and calling it "completely new" while making the necessary upgrades to make it seem "next gen".

That may happen, but I'd guess more that Fox Engine is just done. I just don't think they have anybody left to maintain it or redevelop Fox Engine going forward. Konami has scaled back internal productions since the Kojima debacle (their studios have only been making PES and Jikkyu Pro Baseball since 2016, with Metal Gear Survive in 2018 being a rare exception and Contra: Rogue Corps a co-development project,) and really aside from Metal Gear and the sports games the company hadn't been producing much stuff in-house besides sports and MGS for the whole PS360 generation before that. As great as Fox Engine is when utilized, a game engine needs a lot of support to be useful, and unless there's a sudden, blessful shift in their outlook, there's little reason for Konami to bother putting those resources into it.

PES Mobile is already on UE4, and it'd make sense that the console version would also use an established engine like that one since Konami is looking to redevelop it for next-gen anyway.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

Check out this next-gen teaser trailer for eFootball PES 2022, featuring a rather dashing Unreal Engine recreation of Lionel Messi.

 

[The Fartist]

I didn't know Neymar Jr was also in the WWE

 

[MMaRsu]

Check out this next-gen teaser trailer for eFootball PES 2022, featuring a rather dashing Unreal Engine recreation of Lionel Messi.

At 12fps

 

[Sagii86]

Check out this next-gen teaser trailer for eFootball PES 2022, featuring a rather dashing Unreal Engine recreation of Lionel Messi.

One of the best news sports fan had in the last 8 years. I suspected konami will do that. Well done.

 

[synchronicity]

At the same time STILL in WWE-Games:

What? I often fall down like a plank only to then levitate onto my head.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

PES 2021 "pared back" as Konami focuses on Xbox Series X, PS5 version

Konami has announced big changes to this year's Pro Evolution Soccer game, with PES 2021 scaled back in favour of dedic…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[NeonDelta]

Knew it:

It was part of mega games 1 too

 

[Damien Crowley]

It was part of mega games 1 too

Cool, so everybody wins!

 

[SkylineRKR]

World Cup 90 was good, but Ultimate Soccer was also fun, I had it on this package:

 

[Tschumi]

These games are a curious phenomenon in which graphics don't seem to make many jumps, which is hard for me to understand.. obviously there are differences between fifa 20 and world cup 2010, but the zoomed out camera are bullet speed repay skipping adds up to a pretty consistently distant point of view which minimises player detail~

I'm dumbfounded that these games haven't conquered fabric physics yet... NHL 2001 already had gyrating fabrics.. as far as I'm concerned we should have seen Leverkusen Ballack with a boogying Jersey and floppy hair!