I like Louis Nix III for the Titans. Ray Horton's defense needs a solid nose tackle, like he had with Phil Taylor in Cleveland and Dan Williams in Arizona. They've been developing later round cornerbacks over the past couple seasons, including Cortland Finnegan, Jason McCourty, and Alterraun Verner, and they drafted Blidi Wreh-Wilson last season so I don't think they're too worried. After investing high picks in Kendall Wright and Justin Hunter, I don't think they'd spend a pick on wide receiver in such a deep draft. They also need a pass rusher for their 3-4, but with Mack and Barr gone and this being too early for Dee Ford, Nix is the best fit.
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NFL Offseason Thread 3 - Drowney for Clowney Mech, Drowney for Clowney.
- Thread starter DeaconKnowledge
- Start date
Futurevoid
Member
2 for Gilbert
2 for Lewan
1 for Nix
18 minutes left.
2 for Lewan
1 for Nix
18 minutes left.
Elfforkusu
Member
Just caught up on the mock so far.
What the christ, guys.
What the christ, guys.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Mech got things off on the wrong footJust caught up on the mock so far.
What the christ, guys.
Mech got things off on the wrong foot
Its what I feel they would do
PhoenixDark
Banned
Mike Evans could be good, but I don't believe he is worth a top 10 pick. Especially in a draft that is this deep at WR. We could easily get Donte Moncrief who isn't as tall, but is still 6'2, big hands, faster 40 time, etc. And I have no doubts about him getting open in the NFL, whereas I'm not 100% sure on Evans.
Stone Cold Bottom line: I'd rather pay second round money for Stafford to overthrow Moncrief.
Stone Cold Bottom line: I'd rather pay second round money for Stafford to overthrow Moncrief.
Futurevoid
Member
5 minutes to go. Need a tiebreaker or I'm just going to make the final decision.
Himynameischris
Member
I vote glibert too
BlackGhost
Banned
Go with OL, Lewan.5 minutes to go. Need a tiebreaker or I'm just going to make the final decision.
Edit: back to tie it seems lol
I vote...
...Lewan
2 for Gilbert
2 for Lewan
1 for Nix
18 minutes left.
5 minutes to go. Need a tiebreaker or I'm just going to make the final decision.
I vote Gilbert.
I vote glibert too
Go with OL, Lewan.
...Lewan
Elfforkusu
Member
Screw it, just give them Teo
Futurevoid
Member
Plinko already sent me the pick via PM.
Here's the draft order:
1. Houston Texans - Khalil Mack LB
In 2006 The Texans went against the "safe pick", Reggie Bush. Crennel wants fast and built options on his defense to keep up with these high powered offenses. While Clowney is a physical freak Mack is a more traditional 3-4 OLB and can make an immediate impact. This selection allows them to move Brooks Reed inside next to Cushing where he can be a run stuffing thumper. Mack will play on the same side as JJ Watt which will force offenses to severly overload on side and allows Mercilus and Swearinger, playing box safety, to get free runs at the QB.
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2. St. Louis Rams (from Washington Redskins) - Greg Robinson OT
If Texans drafted Mack, STL would take Clowney in 2 seconds. For purposes here I will just assume Mack=Clowney and let whichever team below that was targeting Mack grab Clowney.
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3. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jadaveon Clowney DE
Jaguars will not be in this spot most likely(they'll trade down), but Jaguars select Jadeveon Clowney as the best pure defensive athlete in the draft. Gus Bradley knows how to motivate and how to coach up talent, so working with Clowney might be a dream. Plenty of vets on defense to keep pushing him and Clowney will devour poor little Locker and Luck. We'll get a QB in round 2.
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4. Cleveland Browns - Blake Bortles QB
With all the Qbs on the board i believe the Browns will take Blake Bortles. this is a who we think our team will take, not who we want to draft mock. Browns shouldn't play games with the QB position and hope one falls or waits for one, take the guy you like the most at 4 most, Remember what playing games with the qb position got you in WeedOn and Quinn. All the talk of no qb is worth a top pick is a little overblown. The qb position shouldn't be looked at as what can he do for us now, but what can he be for us in the long term. Finding a qb is hard, and you would hope your team isn't in a position to be picking this high in following years. take advantage of the high pick you have now. The teams ready to compete now, we just need a trigger man. and the young qb will hopefully be able to sit behind Hoyer.
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5. Oakland Raiders - Teddy Bridgewater QB
After passing on Rivers, Cutler and Rodgers in drafts over the past 10 years, and giving up a 1st, two 2nds, a 5th and a 6th in addition to using a 4th on Tyler Wilson over the last 4 years the new Reggie McKenzie led Raiders have said "fuck this" and decided to do the right thing and get their franchise QB of the future in the 1st round rather than wasting another pick on a scrub in the mid rounds who can't even beat out Matt fucking McGloin.
In Bridgewater, the Raiders get the hardest working, most accurate and intelligent QB in the draft. He will not be thrown into the fire right away and will be allowed to sit for at least one year while he puts on some weight, refines his deep ball and increases his throwing power before leading the Oakland Raiders to 3 Super Bowl victories over the next 10 years. BOOM!!!
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6. Atlanta Falcons - Jake Matthews OT
With the #6 pick, the Atlanta Falcons take Texas A&M Offensive Tackle Jake Matthews. Both Thomas Dmitroff and Mike Smith has promised over the offseason to focus on improving toughness across both trenches, and I fully expect the Falcons to take BLA (best lineman available), regardless of what side of the ball the player fits. I fully expect the top four of the team's draft board to be: Clowney, Mack, Robinson, Matthews.
Last season, the lack of depth on the Atlanta offensive line brought the team to its knees as raw Lamar Holmes, undrafted Ryan Schraeder, and Buccaneer castoff Jeremy Trueblood played musical chairs at left and right tackle after Sam Baker went down with his annual injury. It wasn't just the bookends that were at fault, as the interior of the line crumbled with Peter Konz being pulled in and out of the lineup, and the season coming to an ignominious and symbolic end with a botched snap.
As a result, Matt Ryan was beaten up and battered all season long, taking 44 sacks, the most in his career (the previous high being 28).
The Falcons let a weak position go largely unimproved since Ryan's rookie year, relying on improving castoffs like Harvey Dahl and Tyson Clabo over the years. Unsurprisingly, the Falcons are on their third offensive line coach in four years as noted high school girl creeper Mike Tice joins the staff to replace the west coast's favorite asshole Pat Hill.
The Falcons have lacked a franchise tackle for well over a decade - with Bob Whitfield the last to really deserve any accolade (Todd Weiner was okay.). Matthews immediately improves the line by plugging in at RT and inevitably taking over Baker's spot at LT. Most importantly, he shores up depth across the board.
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7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Sammy Watkins WR
With the seventh pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Buccaneers select Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
After an offseason overhaul that following the exile of he-who-shall-not-be-named, the Buccaneers retooled their defense, letting Darrelle Revis go and bringing in Alterraun Verner, Micheal Johnson, Clinton McDonald, among others. They also retooled the o-line, getting rid of Donald Penn, Davin Joseph, and Jeremy Zuttah and bringing in Anthony Collins and Evan Dietrich-Smith. Lovie Smith also brought in veteran QB Josh McCown.
Though the Bucs are in the market for a young QB since human/giraffe hybrid Mike Glennon, who did perform fairly well in his rookie year last season, is the product of the old regime, and one who Smith and Jeff Tedford don't seem to think is the guy going forward, after finishing dead last in offense last year and losing WRs Mike Williams and Tiquan Underwood, the Bucs clearly need more offensive firepower. And they add it by getting the bar none best receiver in one of the best classes for WRs ever. Putting him opposite Vincent Jackson, already coming off two very productive years with the Bucs, the Bucs shall officially make total bitches out of NFC South secondaries for the foreseeable future.
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8. Minnesota Vikings - Anthony Barr LB
The Vikings have not had a great linebacking core in a very long time and they need both an inside and outside linebacker. Yes they need other positions as well, most notably Cornerback, but this is a deep draft and I am a proponent of selecting the best possible player that fits into your needs. And yes I realize that the Vikings need a QB. I also realize that there isnt much of a difference between the "Top" QB's in this draft and 2nd round guys like McCarron and Garrapolo.
Barr will be able to fill a few different roles during his first year as a player. He will fit into Zimmers desire to rotate Defensive linemen and Linebackers with the ultimate goal of making Barr into a full time three down outside linebacker.
The guy is a great athlete and a fantastic playmaker. Something our defense is sorely missing. My hope is that with a pick like this and a handful more on the defensive side of the ball the Vikings will make a huge leap forward.
Lets not forget that the Vikings blew FIVE leads last year in the final minutes of games due to complete defensive collapses. Hopefully this will be a step toward fixing that problem.
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9. Buffalo Bills - Eric Ebron TE
With the 9th selection in the 2014 Draft, the Buffalo Bills select, TE Eric Ebron from UNC. This mock has always been about who the team will most likely take and not who the individual(s) making the selection would take. Given that, I see the Bills going Ebron. This org has played up the BIG/TALL WR in the past, and they've done shit about it. Year after year they talk about a physical receiver who's open when covered, year after year they ignore size.
In today's NFL, you win up the seam. TE is always a QBs best friend. They need to get EJ weapons, Ebron can take advantage of the middle of the field, an area of the field where young QBs do best.
I think they'd take ODB before Evans to be honest, they stressed separation and route running, two thing ODB does in spades. IF anyone can sneak into the top ten it's ODB to Buffalo, because they want shifty guys who can run routes.
With regards to OL, it's your typical OL Coach/HC scenario, where the HC thinks he can coach up lower round picks. Just look at the LG situation going into 2013, complete scrubs. Typical we'll coach em up situation, think they'll patch it up with middle round guys, Glenn's legit as the LT.
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10. Detroit Lions - Mike Evans WR
Detroit runs to the podium to take Evans if he's there at #10. As one of the most sure-handed receivers in the draft, he'll fit right in alongside Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate as a solid downfield option for Matt “Just Let Me Finish This Bucket of Chicken and I'll Be Right With You” Stafford. Detroit needs another receiver to replace Nate Burleson, while the injury-prone Ryan Broyles has yet to prove himself as reliable. This pick would keep Detroit's offense near the top of the league—hopefully high enough to make up for the terrible secondary.
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11. Tennessee Titans - Justin Gilbert CB
The Titans take the best CB on the board to make up for the departure of Alterraun Verner whom they lost in free agency. In Justin Gilbert they are getting an athletic cornerback with with patience, a willingness to tackle and the acceleration/fluidity to develop into an excellent NFL corner.
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12. New York Giants - Aaron Donald DT
With Mike Evans and Eric Ebron off the board (both the top two picks amongst Giants-Gaf), the options presented included going Safety with Will Hill all but being released after another upcoming drug suspension and the fact that this is Antrel Rolle's last year with the team. Haha Clinton-Dix was the most often mentioned named.
However, the name that appeared above him more consistently is Pitt's Aaron Donald. With the loss of Linval Joseph, the Giants are looking to Hankins to fill in the role of the run stopping space eater and will need to find an eventual replacement for the more pass rush oriented Cullen Jenkins who is reaching the finale of his career.
Donald's biggest knock is his size. Some view him as more of a 3-4 end in the NFL but I think he's too explosive, has too good a motor and is just too much of a monster for the Giants to pass up on him even if they use him in a situational rotation capacity in year 1. This guy is just damned disruptive and for a team that struggled to rush the passer and will be looking for an impact player along the defensive line after losing Justin Tuck - there's just no one else right now that provides the value and fills a NEED like Aaron Donald does.
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13. St. Louis Rams - ON THE CLOCK
14. Chicago Bears
15. Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Dallas Cowboys
17. Baltimore Ravens
18. New York Jets
19. Miami Dolphins
20. Arizona Cardinals
21. Green Bay Packers
22. Philadelphia Eagles
23. Kansas City Chiefs
24. Cincinnati Bengals
25. San Diego Chargers
26. Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis Colts)
27. New Orleans Saints
28. Carolina Panthers
29. New England Patriots
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. Denver Broncos
32. Seattle Seahawks
Bucs-GAF...post your write-up and I'll add it to the pick.
Vikings have until 8:16pm EST for their pick.
List of participants:
Here's the draft order:
1. Houston Texans - Khalil Mack LB
In 2006 The Texans went against the "safe pick", Reggie Bush. Crennel wants fast and built options on his defense to keep up with these high powered offenses. While Clowney is a physical freak Mack is a more traditional 3-4 OLB and can make an immediate impact. This selection allows them to move Brooks Reed inside next to Cushing where he can be a run stuffing thumper. Mack will play on the same side as JJ Watt which will force offenses to severly overload on side and allows Mercilus and Swearinger, playing box safety, to get free runs at the QB.
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2. St. Louis Rams (from Washington Redskins) - Greg Robinson OT
If Texans drafted Mack, STL would take Clowney in 2 seconds. For purposes here I will just assume Mack=Clowney and let whichever team below that was targeting Mack grab Clowney.
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3. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jadaveon Clowney DE
Jaguars will not be in this spot most likely(they'll trade down), but Jaguars select Jadeveon Clowney as the best pure defensive athlete in the draft. Gus Bradley knows how to motivate and how to coach up talent, so working with Clowney might be a dream. Plenty of vets on defense to keep pushing him and Clowney will devour poor little Locker and Luck. We'll get a QB in round 2.
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4. Cleveland Browns - Blake Bortles QB
With all the Qbs on the board i believe the Browns will take Blake Bortles. this is a who we think our team will take, not who we want to draft mock. Browns shouldn't play games with the QB position and hope one falls or waits for one, take the guy you like the most at 4 most, Remember what playing games with the qb position got you in WeedOn and Quinn. All the talk of no qb is worth a top pick is a little overblown. The qb position shouldn't be looked at as what can he do for us now, but what can he be for us in the long term. Finding a qb is hard, and you would hope your team isn't in a position to be picking this high in following years. take advantage of the high pick you have now. The teams ready to compete now, we just need a trigger man. and the young qb will hopefully be able to sit behind Hoyer.
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5. Oakland Raiders - Teddy Bridgewater QB
After passing on Rivers, Cutler and Rodgers in drafts over the past 10 years, and giving up a 1st, two 2nds, a 5th and a 6th in addition to using a 4th on Tyler Wilson over the last 4 years the new Reggie McKenzie led Raiders have said "fuck this" and decided to do the right thing and get their franchise QB of the future in the 1st round rather than wasting another pick on a scrub in the mid rounds who can't even beat out Matt fucking McGloin.
In Bridgewater, the Raiders get the hardest working, most accurate and intelligent QB in the draft. He will not be thrown into the fire right away and will be allowed to sit for at least one year while he puts on some weight, refines his deep ball and increases his throwing power before leading the Oakland Raiders to 3 Super Bowl victories over the next 10 years. BOOM!!!
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6. Atlanta Falcons - Jake Matthews OT
With the #6 pick, the Atlanta Falcons take Texas A&M Offensive Tackle Jake Matthews. Both Thomas Dmitroff and Mike Smith has promised over the offseason to focus on improving toughness across both trenches, and I fully expect the Falcons to take BLA (best lineman available), regardless of what side of the ball the player fits. I fully expect the top four of the team's draft board to be: Clowney, Mack, Robinson, Matthews.
Last season, the lack of depth on the Atlanta offensive line brought the team to its knees as raw Lamar Holmes, undrafted Ryan Schraeder, and Buccaneer castoff Jeremy Trueblood played musical chairs at left and right tackle after Sam Baker went down with his annual injury. It wasn't just the bookends that were at fault, as the interior of the line crumbled with Peter Konz being pulled in and out of the lineup, and the season coming to an ignominious and symbolic end with a botched snap.
As a result, Matt Ryan was beaten up and battered all season long, taking 44 sacks, the most in his career (the previous high being 28).
The Falcons let a weak position go largely unimproved since Ryan's rookie year, relying on improving castoffs like Harvey Dahl and Tyson Clabo over the years. Unsurprisingly, the Falcons are on their third offensive line coach in four years as noted high school girl creeper Mike Tice joins the staff to replace the west coast's favorite asshole Pat Hill.
The Falcons have lacked a franchise tackle for well over a decade - with Bob Whitfield the last to really deserve any accolade (Todd Weiner was okay.). Matthews immediately improves the line by plugging in at RT and inevitably taking over Baker's spot at LT. Most importantly, he shores up depth across the board.
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7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Sammy Watkins WR
With the seventh pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Buccaneers select Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
After an offseason overhaul that following the exile of he-who-shall-not-be-named, the Buccaneers retooled their defense, letting Darrelle Revis go and bringing in Alterraun Verner, Micheal Johnson, Clinton McDonald, among others. They also retooled the o-line, getting rid of Donald Penn, Davin Joseph, and Jeremy Zuttah and bringing in Anthony Collins and Evan Dietrich-Smith. Lovie Smith also brought in veteran QB Josh McCown.
Though the Bucs are in the market for a young QB since human/giraffe hybrid Mike Glennon, who did perform fairly well in his rookie year last season, is the product of the old regime, and one who Smith and Jeff Tedford don't seem to think is the guy going forward, after finishing dead last in offense last year and losing WRs Mike Williams and Tiquan Underwood, the Bucs clearly need more offensive firepower. And they add it by getting the bar none best receiver in one of the best classes for WRs ever. Putting him opposite Vincent Jackson, already coming off two very productive years with the Bucs, the Bucs shall officially make total bitches out of NFC South secondaries for the foreseeable future.
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8. Minnesota Vikings - Anthony Barr LB
The Vikings have not had a great linebacking core in a very long time and they need both an inside and outside linebacker. Yes they need other positions as well, most notably Cornerback, but this is a deep draft and I am a proponent of selecting the best possible player that fits into your needs. And yes I realize that the Vikings need a QB. I also realize that there isnt much of a difference between the "Top" QB's in this draft and 2nd round guys like McCarron and Garrapolo.
Barr will be able to fill a few different roles during his first year as a player. He will fit into Zimmers desire to rotate Defensive linemen and Linebackers with the ultimate goal of making Barr into a full time three down outside linebacker.
The guy is a great athlete and a fantastic playmaker. Something our defense is sorely missing. My hope is that with a pick like this and a handful more on the defensive side of the ball the Vikings will make a huge leap forward.
Lets not forget that the Vikings blew FIVE leads last year in the final minutes of games due to complete defensive collapses. Hopefully this will be a step toward fixing that problem.
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9. Buffalo Bills - Eric Ebron TE
With the 9th selection in the 2014 Draft, the Buffalo Bills select, TE Eric Ebron from UNC. This mock has always been about who the team will most likely take and not who the individual(s) making the selection would take. Given that, I see the Bills going Ebron. This org has played up the BIG/TALL WR in the past, and they've done shit about it. Year after year they talk about a physical receiver who's open when covered, year after year they ignore size.
In today's NFL, you win up the seam. TE is always a QBs best friend. They need to get EJ weapons, Ebron can take advantage of the middle of the field, an area of the field where young QBs do best.
I think they'd take ODB before Evans to be honest, they stressed separation and route running, two thing ODB does in spades. IF anyone can sneak into the top ten it's ODB to Buffalo, because they want shifty guys who can run routes.
With regards to OL, it's your typical OL Coach/HC scenario, where the HC thinks he can coach up lower round picks. Just look at the LG situation going into 2013, complete scrubs. Typical we'll coach em up situation, think they'll patch it up with middle round guys, Glenn's legit as the LT.
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10. Detroit Lions - Mike Evans WR
Detroit runs to the podium to take Evans if he's there at #10. As one of the most sure-handed receivers in the draft, he'll fit right in alongside Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate as a solid downfield option for Matt “Just Let Me Finish This Bucket of Chicken and I'll Be Right With You” Stafford. Detroit needs another receiver to replace Nate Burleson, while the injury-prone Ryan Broyles has yet to prove himself as reliable. This pick would keep Detroit's offense near the top of the league—hopefully high enough to make up for the terrible secondary.
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11. Tennessee Titans - Justin Gilbert CB
The Titans take the best CB on the board to make up for the departure of Alterraun Verner whom they lost in free agency. In Justin Gilbert they are getting an athletic cornerback with with patience, a willingness to tackle and the acceleration/fluidity to develop into an excellent NFL corner.
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12. New York Giants - Aaron Donald DT
With Mike Evans and Eric Ebron off the board (both the top two picks amongst Giants-Gaf), the options presented included going Safety with Will Hill all but being released after another upcoming drug suspension and the fact that this is Antrel Rolle's last year with the team. Haha Clinton-Dix was the most often mentioned named.
However, the name that appeared above him more consistently is Pitt's Aaron Donald. With the loss of Linval Joseph, the Giants are looking to Hankins to fill in the role of the run stopping space eater and will need to find an eventual replacement for the more pass rush oriented Cullen Jenkins who is reaching the finale of his career.
Donald's biggest knock is his size. Some view him as more of a 3-4 end in the NFL but I think he's too explosive, has too good a motor and is just too much of a monster for the Giants to pass up on him even if they use him in a situational rotation capacity in year 1. This guy is just damned disruptive and for a team that struggled to rush the passer and will be looking for an impact player along the defensive line after losing Justin Tuck - there's just no one else right now that provides the value and fills a NEED like Aaron Donald does.
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13. St. Louis Rams - ON THE CLOCK
14. Chicago Bears
15. Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Dallas Cowboys
17. Baltimore Ravens
18. New York Jets
19. Miami Dolphins
20. Arizona Cardinals
21. Green Bay Packers
22. Philadelphia Eagles
23. Kansas City Chiefs
24. Cincinnati Bengals
25. San Diego Chargers
26. Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis Colts)
27. New Orleans Saints
28. Carolina Panthers
29. New England Patriots
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. Denver Broncos
32. Seattle Seahawks
Bucs-GAF...post your write-up and I'll add it to the pick.
Vikings have until 8:16pm EST for their pick.
List of participants:
Texans - MechDX
Raiders - Mackenzie 92
Cardinals - Squall ASF
Rams - Squicken, B For Bendetta
Ravens - BaltimoreLarry, Nakazato, Bolt Vanderhuge
Dolphins - chris.trejo, The_Darkest_Red
Bucs - Syrinx, Hammer24
Jaguars - Tamanon
Giants - BigAT, Futurevoid, Draxal, Striker
Browns - BlackGhost, Wes, TheBatman
Patriots - Colasante, ActStriker, Sanjuro, Dutch Patriot
Eagles - gutshot, yankeehater, jabee
Cowboys - Farooq, cashman
Vikings - Slo, BannedEpisode
Steelers - DeaconKnowledge, AngmarsKing701
Jets - Fox318
Seahawks - cdyhybrid
Bills - LJ11
Packers - Buckethead, Greg
Panthers - Grover Cleveland
Bears - minx88
Saints - cajunator
Falcons - Talon
Lions - Plinko
Niners - Doomsayer, bigosc2k
Chiefs - Tragicomedy
Drafting in spirit only:
Redskins - Ninja Scooter
Colts - Narag
he is the worstKonka, you're alright, but stop making stupid threads.
Futurevoid
Member
With the 12th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the New York Giants select...
Aaron Donald DT Pitt
With Mike Evans and Eric Ebron off the board (both the top two picks amongst Giants-Gaf), the options presented included going Safety with Will Hill all but being released after another upcoming drug suspension and the fact that this is Antrel Rolle's likely last year with the team. Haha Clinton-Dix was the most often mentioned named as a possible pick if all other options were gone.
However, the name that appeared above him more consistently is Pitt's Aaron Donald. With the loss of Linval Joseph, the Giants are looking to Hankins to fill in the role of the run stopping space eater and will need to find an eventual replacement for the more pass rush oriented Cullen Jenkins who is reaching the finale of his career.
Donald's biggest knock is his size. Some view him as more of a 3-4 end in the NFL but I think he's too explosive, has too good a motor and is just too much of a monster for the Giants to pass up on him even if they use him in a situational rotation capacity in year 1. This guy is just damned disruptive and for a team that struggled to rush the passer and will be looking for an impact player along the defensive line after losing Justin Tuck - there's just no one else right now that provides the value and fills a NEED like Aaron Donald does.
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I updated the mock above. The RAMS are on the clock.
minx already PM'd me the Bears pick by the way so if Steelers-GAF is present..I think your pick is a good place to stop for the night. Things will resume tomorrow at 10AM unless RAMS-Gaf doesn't show up to make this pick.
Aaron Donald DT Pitt
With Mike Evans and Eric Ebron off the board (both the top two picks amongst Giants-Gaf), the options presented included going Safety with Will Hill all but being released after another upcoming drug suspension and the fact that this is Antrel Rolle's likely last year with the team. Haha Clinton-Dix was the most often mentioned named as a possible pick if all other options were gone.
However, the name that appeared above him more consistently is Pitt's Aaron Donald. With the loss of Linval Joseph, the Giants are looking to Hankins to fill in the role of the run stopping space eater and will need to find an eventual replacement for the more pass rush oriented Cullen Jenkins who is reaching the finale of his career.
Donald's biggest knock is his size. Some view him as more of a 3-4 end in the NFL but I think he's too explosive, has too good a motor and is just too much of a monster for the Giants to pass up on him even if they use him in a situational rotation capacity in year 1. This guy is just damned disruptive and for a team that struggled to rush the passer and will be looking for an impact player along the defensive line after losing Justin Tuck - there's just no one else right now that provides the value and fills a NEED like Aaron Donald does.
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I updated the mock above. The RAMS are on the clock.
minx already PM'd me the Bears pick by the way so if Steelers-GAF is present..I think your pick is a good place to stop for the night. Things will resume tomorrow at 10AM unless RAMS-Gaf doesn't show up to make this pick.
AngmarsKing701
Member
NoooooooooooooooWith the 12th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the New York Giants select...
Aaron Donald DT Pitt
With Mike Evans and Eric Ebron off the board (both the top two picks amongst Giants-Gaf), the options presented included going Safety with Will Hill all but being released after another upcoming drug suspension and the fact that this is Antrel Rolle's last year with the team. Haha Clinton-Dix was the most often mentioned named.
However, the name that appeared above him more consistently is Pitt's Aaron Donald. With the loss of Linval Joseph, the Giants are looking to Hankins to fill in the role of the run stopping space eater and will need to find an eventual replacement for the more pass rush oriented Cullen Jenkins who is reaching the finale of his career.
Donald's biggest knock is his size. Some view him as more of a 3-4 end in the NFL but I think he's too explosive, has too good a motor and is just too much of a monster for the Giants to pass up on him even if they use him in a situational rotation capacity in year 1. This guy is just damned disruptive and for a team that struggled to rush the passer and will be looking for an impact player along the defensive line after losing Justin Tuck - there's just no one else right now that provides the value and fills a NEED like Aaron Donald does.
Damn I think the Rams would be looking real long if Donald was still there at 13....
I would have to think Ha-Ha is the pick here if the draft shook out this way.
Or maybe whatever CB they have rated the highest here.
BPA on their board would be Lewan by a mile, imo. Gilbert or Donald would have been close if they were there. I don't think they like Clinton-Dix this high, but I will defer to you and B on the pick
AngmarsKing701
Member
minx already PM'd me the Bears pick by the way so if Steelers-GAF is present..I think your pick is a good place to stop for the night. Things will resume tomorrow at 10AM unless RAMS-Gaf doesn't show up to make this pick.
I'm standing by, so if Rams-GAF moves and you post the Bears pick, I'll have something. But damn if this lack of QBs being taken isn't fucking things up royally.
AngmarsKing701
Member
There is literally no way that Johnny Football is still on the board at 13 guys. Just no way.
Agreed. And it's quite possible Carr would be gone by now too. It's making a mess the further down you go, because guys you would expect to be there (due to QB needy teams grabbing a QB) aren't taking a QB in our mock. Oh well.
BPA on their board would be Lewan by a mile, imo. Gilbert or Donald would have been close if they were there. I don't think they like Clinton-Dix this high, but I will defer to you and B on the pick
My personal feelings aside about Lewan. I don't see the rams taking 2 o lineman in the first unless they have Lewan leagues ahead of the rest of the board. Alas I didn't sign up for this so I defer to B.
My personal feelings aside about Lewan. I don't see the rams taking 2 o lineman in the first unless they have Lewan leagues ahead of the rest of the board. Alas I didn't sign up for this so I defer to B.
It's fine. We'll put you down for HHCD. We'll see what B says and then decide
There is literally no way that Johnny Football is still on the board at 13 guys. Just no way.
Maybe but its not like anyone was accurate with last years crop of QB's.
AngmarsKing701
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Why wouldn't the Titans take Manziel there?
They probably would lock him up.
AngmarsKing701
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Rams-GAF - is this happening tonight or can we assume the Steelers will be on the clock tomorrow AM?
Futurevoid
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Why wouldn't the Titans take Manziel there?
...cause no one mentioned it? I'm not making the picks this year. I'm going by what everyone votes for when its all said and done in that 30 minutes. I don't see a point in leaving a team without a rep on the clock for much longer and holding up the draft.
Rams-GAF - is this happening tonight or can we assume the Steelers will be on the clock tomorrow AM?
Even if it does, PITT will have time in the morining. If you want to argue for a player, I'd say we will either go HHCD or Lewan
AngmarsKing701
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...cause no one mentioned it? I'm not making the picks this year. I'm going by what everyone votes for when its all said and done in that 30 minutes. I don't see a point in leaving a team without a rep on the clock for much longer and holding up the draft.
Even if it does, PITT will have time in the morining. If you want to argue for a player, I'd say we will either go HHCD or Lewan
Okay I'm going to hit the sack. I'll assume you guys will decide once you hear from B, and FV has the Bears' pick (assuming you don't pick whoever they've PM'd to him). Let's go with Steelers in the AM. I think I know which way they'll go now but I'll wait to see the Rams and Bears picks before submitting.
Futurevoid
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I've got the Cowboys pick set as well via PM. So we're just on hold until Rams-GAF gets their pick in. Once its in, we'll update with Steelers/Bears/Cowboys and pick up from there.
Angmar if you want to PM me your top 2 picks with write-ups I can just throw it in there.
Angmar if you want to PM me your top 2 picks with write-ups I can just throw it in there.
Maybe but its not like anyone was accurate with last years crop of QB's.
I doubt Johnny Football gets past the Buccaneers. Although all the noise out of them about him could be a smokescreen, never know.
Mackenzie 92
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Can't see Bridgewater going in the top ten, let alone #5. In this scenario the pick would have probably been Watkins, Matthews, or trade down for someone coming-up for Watkins. Bridgewater at #5 is bad value. Also, QB's don't get picked at #5 and sit for a year anymore, those days are over
Reggie ain't that dumb, they'll trade back for more picks at the very least. If they're stuck at five, like you said, it'll be Watkins or Matthews (Watkins if he's there). They stabilized the D through F/A, they can draft at later rounds for guys to replace the vets. They need impact players on O and with Veldheer gone they need a LT (Fuck Penn). But they haven't had a number 1 WR since lazy ass Randy Moss. Watkins will be #1, James Jones #2, and Rod Streater #3. D. Moore can kick rocks.
I disagree with you guys. I'm not too high on taking Watkins at 5 (doubtful he'll be there anyway) and I really don't think Reggie would take Matthews. Robinson, maybe.
I'm also hopeful we will be trading down, but there's no guarantee we'll find a partner on draft day. If not I think there is a strong possibility that Reggie goes QB at 5, it could even be Bortles, Carr or JFF.
Everyone wants an impact player, blah blah blah. But no rookie, especially a WR is gonna put this team over the top, especially with Schoob throwing him the ball. The biggest single need for our team that we've been missing for over a decade now is a QB. We don't know how high we are gonna pick next year, and to tell you the truth none of the 2015 prospects do it for me anyway. Schoob is a stop gap at best on a 1 year prove it contract.
Teddy or any QB wouldn't have to start, in fact Reggie has said he doesn't want a rookie to start, he wants them to sit, so that's not an issue. He will find starters in the 2nd and 3rd who will contribute immediately.
Beyond that I like our group of receivers. Jones, Streater and Holmes are all borderline 1000 yard receivers. Streater and Holmes both, magically started catching balls and putting up numbers and making big plays when McG was starting, if you extrapolate it they both would have went over 1000 yards. Then we also have Rivera, MJD and Reece to catch balls from Schoob as well. Not to mention we could add CJ Fiedorowicz in the 4th or something.
I think you could make a strong case for Donald at 5, but I'm not sure if Reggie is as in love with him as everyone else.
I also don't buy all the smoke on Teddy. He's not perfect, but no rookie QB is. He does a shit ton more good things than he does bad.
I'll be drunk twice before the first round is done.
Shot son, I was drinkong at work when the gaf draft started.
Grover Cleveland
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yankeehater
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Bionic have you seen this? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808303
Officerrob
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I disagree with you guys. I'm not too high on taking Watkins at 5 (doubtful he'll be there anyway) and I really don't think Reggie would take Matthews. Robinson, maybe.
I'm also hopeful we will be trading down, but there's no guarantee we'll find a partner on draft day. If not I think there is a strong possibility that Reggie goes QB at 5, it could even be Bortles, Carr or JFF.
Everyone wants an impact player, blah blah blah. But no rookie, especially a WR is gonna put this team over the top, especially with Schoob throwing him the ball. The biggest single need for our team that we've been missing for over a decade now is a QB. We don't know how high we are gonna pick next year, and to tell you the truth none of the 2015 prospects do it for me anyway. Schoob is a stop gap at best on a 1 year prove it contract.
Teddy or any QB wouldn't have to start, in fact Reggie has said he doesn't want a rookie to start, he wants them to sit, so that's not an issue. He will find starters in the 2nd and 3rd who will contribute immediately.
Beyond that I like our group of receivers. Jones, Streater and Holmes are all borderline 1000 yard receivers. Streater and Holmes both, magically started catching balls and putting up numbers and making big plays when McG was starting, if you extrapolate it they both would have went over 1000 yards. Then we also have Rivera, MJD and Reece to catch balls from Schoob as well. Not to mention we could add CJ Fiedorowicz in the 4th or something.
I think you could make a strong case for Donald at 5, but I'm not sure if Reggie is as in love with him as everyone else.
I also don't buy all the smoke on Teddy. He's not perfect, but no rookie QB is. He does a shit ton more good things than he does bad.
Reggie and Allen are both going to be on very hot seats if the Raiders have another awful season (Allen definitely fired, Reggie I'm not so sure). You can't stay pat at #5 and pick a guy who you are not going to play for the season, that's idiotic.
Mackenzie 92
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Reggie and Allen are both going to be on very hot seats if the Raiders have another awful season (Allen definitely fired, Reggie I'm not so sure). You can't stay pat at #5 and pick a guy who you are not going to play for the season, that's idiotic
Eh I don't believe they're even on the hot seat. In any case, the no.5 pick isn't gonna save them one way or the other, especially if all the supposed elite guys (Clowney, Mack, Watkins, G-Rob) are gone. Who's gonna save the season and their jobs?
Sticking to the plan and building for the future is the way to go imo. To do that, you need a QB and I would rather blow my load in the first instead getting a turd like Savage in the 2nd or something.
Who is picking for the Jags?
There is no way they do not go offense with the first pick.
The defense has made several additions through free agency this year and in addition will improve with the development of last years picks (Cyprien, Gratz, Evans, Will Blackmon, etc).
No point in adding more defensive pieces when the offense is in shambles. Jones-Drew left leaving a question mark at RB (Gerhert is unproven) and Justin Blackmon most likely will miss significant time in 2014.
Henne will probably be the starter on offense even if Jags pick a QB in the first round so it is time to supply pieces around the QB.
Only good receiver they have is Cecil Shorts but he has yet to play a full season healthy so the best option is to complement him with another threat.
Jags should grab Watkins and never look back. If Blackmon ever plays again that is a plus but at this point he is a lost cause.
Not trying to be disrespectful but Jags selecting Clowney makes no sense when they just resigned Babin for cheap, and signed Chris Clemons as well.
There is no way they do not go offense with the first pick.
The defense has made several additions through free agency this year and in addition will improve with the development of last years picks (Cyprien, Gratz, Evans, Will Blackmon, etc).
No point in adding more defensive pieces when the offense is in shambles. Jones-Drew left leaving a question mark at RB (Gerhert is unproven) and Justin Blackmon most likely will miss significant time in 2014.
Henne will probably be the starter on offense even if Jags pick a QB in the first round so it is time to supply pieces around the QB.
Only good receiver they have is Cecil Shorts but he has yet to play a full season healthy so the best option is to complement him with another threat.
Jags should grab Watkins and never look back. If Blackmon ever plays again that is a plus but at this point he is a lost cause.
Not trying to be disrespectful but Jags selecting Clowney makes no sense when they just resigned Babin for cheap, and signed Chris Clemons as well.
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