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NFL Week 14 - God Save the Texans! Peyton held to *2* TDs! NO RECORD FOR YOU!
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Bat said:
He never actually had possession though. The ref still made the wrong call. I can accept that it was an INT, but there's no damned way he had possession, got two feet down, retained possession, and went out of bounds. At absolute best he eventually got possession right before his knee hit(with which I disagree).
FrenchMovieTheme
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go niners whoooooo!!!!!!
even though dorsey had 3 TD's and no INT's, i have never seen more of a noodle arm than that bitch has. he can't even hit a 10 yard comeback pass with consistency! anyways, maurice hicks had 130+ yards rushing, so i dont want to hear Kbars bitching about the O-line anymore cause if hicks can do it, barlow should be able to. great win, we'll take down the skins next week, then the bills and finish off with the pats. some nice momentum going into the 2005 season! i cant wait
even though dorsey had 3 TD's and no INT's, i have never seen more of a noodle arm than that bitch has. he can't even hit a 10 yard comeback pass with consistency! anyways, maurice hicks had 130+ yards rushing, so i dont want to hear Kbars bitching about the O-line anymore cause if hicks can do it, barlow should be able to. great win, we'll take down the skins next week, then the bills and finish off with the pats. some nice momentum going into the 2005 season! i cant wait
Alright, I just got off the phone with Joe Gibbs.
He assured me that if Patrick Ramsey loses the next game, Drew Brees will be starting next year. He said his whole plan was to go 7-9, sneak into the playoffs and get a decent draft pick. He's going to trade Patrick Ramsey to Green Bay and Chris Samuels to San Diego for Drew Brees. With their handful of draft picks, Gregg Williams will stockpile the defense. Bugel will now focus on rebuilding the line with Jon Jansen-quality guys. Clinton Portis will stay.
They are on the fast track to success guys. Don't worry.
He assured me that if Patrick Ramsey loses the next game, Drew Brees will be starting next year. He said his whole plan was to go 7-9, sneak into the playoffs and get a decent draft pick. He's going to trade Patrick Ramsey to Green Bay and Chris Samuels to San Diego for Drew Brees. With their handful of draft picks, Gregg Williams will stockpile the defense. Bugel will now focus on rebuilding the line with Jon Jansen-quality guys. Clinton Portis will stay.
They are on the fast track to success guys. Don't worry.
That was the worst game I have seen T.O. have as an eagle. Whats funny is the Redskins were playing their superbowl today as pumped as they were, philly played a horrible game offensively and still managed to win. All the people hating on the eagles, I cant blame you. Alot of people hated the cowboys and 9ers when they dominated the nfc, great teams will always have people who cant wait to see them fail.
Willco said:
I can't wait till you "over expectating loser" Redskins fans force Gibbs out just like you did Spurrier and Schottenheimer...who? The coach of the overachieving Chargers?
Fuck Deadskin fans. Maybe one day you and your owner will realize that to get on top, you've got to suffer a bit. Have fun suffering through salary-cap hell and mid round draft picks.
Fire Gibbs, I dare ya. Maybe you can get Tyrone Willingham to take over.
soulja224466
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DJ_tet, how bout those 6 interceptions? lol
ok, my cable kept messing up most of the day (of course as it got to like 12:30) so I missed the bengals/pats game (which I guess is ok in hindsight as I get so fucking tired of the tom brady jocking) but looking at carson palmer's stats the past few weeks, he's convinced me he isn't quite the bust I was ready to make him out to be earlier in the season. he's already improved a lot in the second half of the season and could grow to be one of the better QBs in the league (not on the level of peyton or roethlisberger but maybe to the level of drew brees). it's not just chad johnson (who is IMO a top 5 WR in the league) because a lot of times he makes great plays with guys like houshmanzadeh (jesus I don't even know if I spelled it right and they're my team). the defense is obviously lacking a lot, although sometimes they come up with great plays. the offensive line is way better than it was earlier, too, so maybe part of my early lack of confidence in palmer was due to that, since he's one of those guys who can pass well but isn't good once he leaves the pocket. he still makes some bad decisions, but he's getting smarter and readjusting better.
oh, and I hated all the bs about corey dillon wanting "revenge" on his old team as the hype for this game. the bitch whined all last year about not wanting to play because he wasn't on a contender, then he acts mad that they let him go to NE. on my personal level of whiny bitch players, he's almost as high as TO.
and despite what the bullshit hype train may tell you about the patriots*, the steelers are the better team bar none. people seem to have already forgetten who put those losses on the pats' and eagles' records, and who's played the tougher schedule this year (hint: it's not Philly or NE).
this week proved again that the AFC south is probably the most interesting division in football if you aren't a diehard fan of a team in another division. it's also by far the most competitive division if you ask me. the AFC west is probably the weakest (in terms of team quality) of the conference, but the chargers this year are awesome and work well on both sides of the ball (they're like the eagles, but on a higher level with tougher opponents). for all the naysaying of the colts' defense (which admittedly isn't great, they're next to last in total yardage) they have a pretty good red zone defense, so yes, they can contend in the playoffs (and hopefully beat NE). I'm still undecided if this deal with marvin harrison was really good, because it's not coaching that the defense lacks, it's talent (which they now can't afford), but at the same time keeping together the core of this offense that works so well can't be a bad idea, can it? but to debate this again, look at the vikings and how that's worked out for them (although the colts look to be keeping not just their passing game, but also their running game). anyway, roethlisberger/steeler naysayers are crazy. this guy is beyond just the real deal, he's already one of the best QBs in the NFL in his first season. is he at peyton manning's level? no and I'll be surprised if he ever will be, but who cares? for a rookie he's a real team leader, his average YPC is in the top 5 (so anybody saying he's relying on the steelers' awesome run game is full of it) and he's pretty damn smart.
other bits: john fox deserves coach of the year IMO, he's taken a team that would be out of it up to a 6-7 record after starting 1-7. they're missing practically everyone and yet they still play tougher than just about any other team in the NFC. the rams will win the NFC west, unless bulger is out for the season. my hope is that the panthers take one of the wild card spots, but that looks unlikely unless the vikings truly collapse.
*conspiracy theory time: the patriots went from stinker to "dynasty" after 9/11. hidden motivations at work by the NFL to make itself more popular with the new feelings of nationalism? (little do they know tom brady is the one who has the weapons of mass destruction) and if you don't hate tom brady now, you will once brett favre retires. he's next in line to be ridiculously jocked as he already gets credit for every single patriots win no matter how they win it, and undeservedly got the super bowl mvp last year when he played like shit but his team got the lucky win.
oh, and I hated all the bs about corey dillon wanting "revenge" on his old team as the hype for this game. the bitch whined all last year about not wanting to play because he wasn't on a contender, then he acts mad that they let him go to NE. on my personal level of whiny bitch players, he's almost as high as TO.
and despite what the bullshit hype train may tell you about the patriots*, the steelers are the better team bar none. people seem to have already forgetten who put those losses on the pats' and eagles' records, and who's played the tougher schedule this year (hint: it's not Philly or NE).
this week proved again that the AFC south is probably the most interesting division in football if you aren't a diehard fan of a team in another division. it's also by far the most competitive division if you ask me. the AFC west is probably the weakest (in terms of team quality) of the conference, but the chargers this year are awesome and work well on both sides of the ball (they're like the eagles, but on a higher level with tougher opponents). for all the naysaying of the colts' defense (which admittedly isn't great, they're next to last in total yardage) they have a pretty good red zone defense, so yes, they can contend in the playoffs (and hopefully beat NE). I'm still undecided if this deal with marvin harrison was really good, because it's not coaching that the defense lacks, it's talent (which they now can't afford), but at the same time keeping together the core of this offense that works so well can't be a bad idea, can it? but to debate this again, look at the vikings and how that's worked out for them (although the colts look to be keeping not just their passing game, but also their running game). anyway, roethlisberger/steeler naysayers are crazy. this guy is beyond just the real deal, he's already one of the best QBs in the NFL in his first season. is he at peyton manning's level? no and I'll be surprised if he ever will be, but who cares? for a rookie he's a real team leader, his average YPC is in the top 5 (so anybody saying he's relying on the steelers' awesome run game is full of it) and he's pretty damn smart.
other bits: john fox deserves coach of the year IMO, he's taken a team that would be out of it up to a 6-7 record after starting 1-7. they're missing practically everyone and yet they still play tougher than just about any other team in the NFC. the rams will win the NFC west, unless bulger is out for the season. my hope is that the panthers take one of the wild card spots, but that looks unlikely unless the vikings truly collapse.
*conspiracy theory time: the patriots went from stinker to "dynasty" after 9/11. hidden motivations at work by the NFL to make itself more popular with the new feelings of nationalism? (little do they know tom brady is the one who has the weapons of mass destruction) and if you don't hate tom brady now, you will once brett favre retires. he's next in line to be ridiculously jocked as he already gets credit for every single patriots win no matter how they win it, and undeservedly got the super bowl mvp last year when he played like shit but his team got the lucky win.
I hope the Ravens come in to the game next Sunday night pumped for two reasons... one cause they are going against big brother Peyton and two because they hopefully WON'T want to be the ones that Peyton breaks the record against.
"The man finished with a 0.0 passer rating. During one time out, he tried to drink some Gatorade, but it was intercepted before it got to his mouth. Peyton couldn't have looked this bad early in his career, even in Pee-Wee ball."
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"The man finished with a 0.0 passer rating. During one time out, he tried to drink some Gatorade, but it was intercepted before it got to his mouth. Peyton couldn't have looked this bad early in his career, even in Pee-Wee ball."
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bah, i know he put up great numbers but jake's numbers were more impressive, and only mark brunell has a more limp wristed throwing arm than tom brady. if the pats hadn't gotten that lucky ass bad kickoff that led to an FG, delhomme would have gotten the mvp and deserved it. maybe i should have just said brady wasn't the mvp of the pats in the super bowl last year and got outplayed by jake delhomme.
levious said:
As much as I hate that child molesting terrorist Tom Brady, you have to admit he was the MVP last year. He is helped out a lot by a really great defense that normally wins most games for the Pats, but they sure as hell didn't show up for the last Superbowl. Their FG kicker was the mvp of their first superbowl though imho.
This year they shall have no such luck. With or without homefield, the Steelers are going to run right into the Superbowl. It will be a all Pennsylvania Superbowl.
Spectral Glider
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"Coleman's gun is just not big enough to take out the Bus."
bob_arctor
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Spectral Glider said:
Good game, good win for the Steelers, but I just can't shake the feeling of "What if?". If anything, instead of decidely painting the Jets as totally outclassed against the "elite", it only made me see how beatable the Steelers were yesterday. And how close we are. To me, if the Jets had been home, they win. And let's not even mention all the retarded penalties (the bullshit holding call on Becht after Lamont's run was a killer) and mental errors we made. *Sigh* This one hurt, no doubt about it.
SteveMeister
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Having been to all of the Redskins' home games this season, I can safely say that Eagles fans are the scum of humanity. Eagles fans throwing shit, starting fights (I saw 5 different Eagles fans get dragged out by security), and just generally being obnoxious. Worst display of fandom I've seen. To all the Eagles fans who drove down -- you are NOT welcome back. Keep that shit in your own house.
SteveMeister said:
What's funny is I like the Eagles as a team and players and wouldn't mind seeing them go all the way, but then I think about how the majority of the fans are such pricks and that makes me not want the Eagles to succeed just because of them. I'm not saying that all Eagle fans are this way, I've run into a few that were civil and rational, but it seems like the majority are just obnoxious.
Guileless
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Report: SF coach Dennis Erickson in negotiations to leave the Niners to become head coach at Ole Miss.
And let me just say that I'm stunned at how shitty Eli looks. Obviously you can't judge him after 4 games and he's played 4 of the best defenses in the league, but damn.
And let me just say that I'm stunned at how shitty Eli looks. Obviously you can't judge him after 4 games and he's played 4 of the best defenses in the league, but damn.
firex said:
The reason people say Ben is relying on the Steelers running game is because he has so many fewer completions/attempts when compared to the other top quarterbacks. At the same time,Pitt has a significantly greater number of rushing attempts when compared to the rest of the league. Steelers are ranked a dominant #1 in rushing offense. Despite that,the Steelers are ranked second to last in overall offense. That's because the Steelers are ranked 15th in passing offense. Ravens are worst at number 16.
bob_arctor said:
Jets are a good team, no doubt about it. They played the Pats tough as well a month ago. Just because you play a team tough though doesn't mean they are suddenly weak. The Pats had their hands full with the Bengals yesterday and the Redskins gave the Eagles all they could handle. Yet these are without a doubt the top 3 teams in the NFL. The Jets played great defense yesterday, but at the same time you have to say so did the Steelers, they picked up Chad 3 times. The Jets definitely outplayed the Steelers in the first half, but the Steelers made all the plays and that is why they won.
alejob said:
I will not only quote you on that, I will be sure to mock you for your prediction when the Steelers end up winning the Superbowl. I like how the Steelers are playing and I am not really worried about any team except maybe Indy and Indy would have to come into Heinz field, no one can run wild in Heinz in the cold. The field is is just too shitty for that to happen.
ZILLION said:
You need both for either to be successful. The Jets pretty much shut down our running attack yesterday and we shut them down as well. So both teams had to pass to set up the run yesterday. The Steelers have rarely been behind during their 11-0 run, that is the main reason they are not throwing it very often. The strategy against most teams for Cowher is to get a lead and to run the ball and let the defense win the game. You can't argue with results. And yet EVERY time the Steelers need a big play late in the game, Big Ben has delivered every single time. I have watched every game the Steelers have played this year and Big Ben is without a doubt a superstar in the making. I think his stats would be much better if the coaches opened up the offense, but who cares about stats? I would rather take a win any day. In the playoffs when Plax comes back I can guarantee you that the Steelers will pass more often against the Pats and other teams. And once we get the lead we will shut it down and let the number one defense win the game.
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ZILLION said:
Yes, but the point I think he was trying to make was this (at least, maybe the points he should have stuck to).....Big Ben is 6th in the league with a passer rating of 97.6, tied for 5th overall in completion percentage, tied for fourth in yards per attempt, and is averaging 12.7 yards per completion. They haven't completely relied on him, which is certainly true, but when they needed him, he's come through. Case in point, yesterday, after the offense is poor in the first half and Ben goes 3 of 10....he finishes the second half 6 of 9, including a game breaking 46 yard toss on the drive that sealed the game.
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The NY media is in a frenzy today.
bob_arctor
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Yeah, there's quite a few already jumping off the Jets bandwagon. What a surprise.Spectral Glider said:
alejob said:
:lol I didn't go that far, but like 5 weeks back I guaranteed they wouldn't make it to the Superbowl, and I still stand by that.
And this is from ESPN, but this is my take on it:
Which is why he will be one of the bigger reasons they will fall in the play-offs. No team has done it yet, but what if the Pats/Jets/Chargers/Colts/whoever get a quick start and are up something like 17-3? Big Ben cannot keep pace with a high-powered offense. That's the Steelers biggest flaw.
Spectral Glider
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The amount of people bitching about Pennington really surprises me.
Spectral Glider
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Eminem said:
Did the geniuses at ESPN happen to notice that the steelers have averaged just 18 and a half pass attempts in Ben's last 5 starts? And that Ben's completion percentage has been 61.8 in that same stretch? :lol
Reminds me of Prisco rambling on and on at how Ben was going to look like a rookie in Cleveland and that the steelers would lose the game because of it.FrenchMovieTheme
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ALL of this has to go right for the steelers to be in the superbowl:
+ Homefield advantage throughout
+ Colts eliminated before they get to pittsburgh
+ Can't get down by more than 10 points at any point in the game
+ Must have plexiglass for the entire playoffs
+ To expand on above, big 3 receivers must play in every playoff game, and duce must be healthy
+ Corey Dillon must be injured if the patriots play the steelers, no matter where it is. Otherwise I don't see how the steelers can win
i hate the patriots just as much as the next guy, but the bottom line is they wouldn't lose to the steelers again (in pittsburgh or otherwise) unless they had a major injury (tom brady, dillon, etc). i also seriously doubt the steelers can beat the colts, no matter where it is. but, to be honest, i'd rather see the steelers in the superbowl than the pats. thankfully i won't have to see either, as the colts are going to kill both
+ Homefield advantage throughout
+ Colts eliminated before they get to pittsburgh
+ Can't get down by more than 10 points at any point in the game
+ Must have plexiglass for the entire playoffs
+ To expand on above, big 3 receivers must play in every playoff game, and duce must be healthy
+ Corey Dillon must be injured if the patriots play the steelers, no matter where it is. Otherwise I don't see how the steelers can win
i hate the patriots just as much as the next guy, but the bottom line is they wouldn't lose to the steelers again (in pittsburgh or otherwise) unless they had a major injury (tom brady, dillon, etc). i also seriously doubt the steelers can beat the colts, no matter where it is. but, to be honest, i'd rather see the steelers in the superbowl than the pats. thankfully i won't have to see either, as the colts are going to kill both
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
This one kills me.....was everyobody living on the moon when the Steelers played against Dillon for 7 years? It's like when I had to listen to how Jevon Kearse was going to dismantle the Steelers O in the Eagles game.....the Steelers have enough knowledge of Jevon Kearse to last a life time and twice that amount on Dillon.
Eminem said:
The Steelers are missing their best reciever and all they do win every single week. I am amused that when Ben has a bad first half it is doom for the Steelers, even though those same defenses (Washington and NY) also shut down Philly and the bastardly Patriots. In fact, didn't the Pats only score 14 on the Jets with a healthy Dillon and Brady AT HOME? Washington made Philly's offense look pretty ordinary for most of that game as well, because that is what great defenses do. All this talk about offense, and it won't matter at all in the playoffs. The Steelers excel at every aspect of the game and their defense and total team effort will lead them to Jacksonville. If Indy had homefield it would be another ball game entirely, but it is simply impossible to run those kinds of routes in Heinz field in January.
You say what will happen if the Steelers fall behind 17-3? Well they, along with every other team, will lose that game in the playoffs. Your chances of winning when you are down 14 early are very low, and even lower in the playoffs. This point is kind of worthless.
bob_arctor
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Spectral Glider said:
Shit, in New York? That's normal. I love Pennington, I really do. But even I know he just isn't the type of QB that will take over games in the way a Manning can. He is a great leader that works well within the system he's given and his team believes in him (which is a huge plus) but he did have a pretty bad game--but at the same time, the entire offense did, starting w/ the amount of penalties (which will throw any QB's rythm off). He just needs a little better supporting cast around him and it's all good.
Ninja Scooter
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im gonna make a bold prediction right now...the Falcons will go to the SuperBowl. Mark my words.
bob_arctor
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bionic77 said:
Well, it was only 13 actually. Not that I'm bitter or anything. *Sigh* Being a Jets fan will drive you nuts.
The Corey Dillon argument is so fricking stupid it's unbelievable.
1. As everyone has said, the Steelers have NEVER had a problem stopping Dillon, and this year, they haven't had trouble stopping ANYONE including Curtis Martin, Fred Taylor, Clinton Portis, and Jamal Lewis.
2. When you are down 21-3 in the first quarter and can't stop the run on defense you are going to lose. Had the Pats had Dillon, the game would have just been over faster if they had run him, I mean honestly, who runs when down 18 and you can't stop the other team?
Beyond that:
3. Does everyone forget that not only did the Steelers crush the Pats and Eagles, but they easily could have won each game by another touchdown because they kneeled the ball inside the 15 yard line with two minutes left in each game. I believe they also kneeled the ball against the Browns, they did yesterday against the Jets, and I believe they did against the Redskins. Just because they don't beat teams by a thousand points ever week like the Colts do doesn't mean they aren't dominating.
I really like how every argument being made everywhere contains excuses why the Steelers aren't the best team in the league because if you look at the reasons why they are it's really obvious.
#1 Total Defense
#1 Scoring Defense
#1 Running Game
11 game winning streak.
What else can a Steelers fan say?
1. As everyone has said, the Steelers have NEVER had a problem stopping Dillon, and this year, they haven't had trouble stopping ANYONE including Curtis Martin, Fred Taylor, Clinton Portis, and Jamal Lewis.
2. When you are down 21-3 in the first quarter and can't stop the run on defense you are going to lose. Had the Pats had Dillon, the game would have just been over faster if they had run him, I mean honestly, who runs when down 18 and you can't stop the other team?
Beyond that:
3. Does everyone forget that not only did the Steelers crush the Pats and Eagles, but they easily could have won each game by another touchdown because they kneeled the ball inside the 15 yard line with two minutes left in each game. I believe they also kneeled the ball against the Browns, they did yesterday against the Jets, and I believe they did against the Redskins. Just because they don't beat teams by a thousand points ever week like the Colts do doesn't mean they aren't dominating.
I really like how every argument being made everywhere contains excuses why the Steelers aren't the best team in the league because if you look at the reasons why they are it's really obvious.
#1 Total Defense
#1 Scoring Defense
#1 Running Game
11 game winning streak.
What else can a Steelers fan say?
Brendonia said:
Against the Eagles and Pats we took a knee inside the red zone, great point. A lot of teams would not have shown that class and would have just run up the score. We did take a knee against the Jets, but I don't think we were in the red zone that time, I think we were in field goal range though.
It won't matter though dude, most people here are not watching the Steelers play week in and week out, they just look at the boxscore and of course they are going to be loyal to their own team. I am confident that the Steelers will prove the naysayers wrong in the playoffs.
The whole argument of can you come back from being down 21 is dumb in my opinion. If your team is shitty enough to let yourself get down by that much early then unless the other team is total garbage you will lose and they were the better team.
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