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NGC - Twilight Princess uses Revolution controller
- Thread starter radioheadrule83
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Hmm, I'm ok with this. Though I'm not too happy thinking about what this means for E3. Now I see Nintendo's press conference (and exhibit) taken up with Zelda (AGAIN) and they can use it as an excuse to show off the rev-controller in action, rather than the "next-gen" software we are expecting.
It seems like something Nintendo would do.
It seems like something Nintendo would do.
UltraMarioMan
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So its a GC game that if played on a Rev can use the new controller? Fine with me. I'm buying it for GC.
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Spike said:
Ermm...that's not actually true. I'd play the game if I was you.
Mario Sunshine wasn't moved from the N64. From what we knew of Mario 64 2, it was nothing like Sunshine.
Pikmin and Eternal Darkness and SFA were moved over of course. Not that Pikmin was even announced for the N64, so no one felt the loss.
radioheadrule83
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SantaCruZer said:
You're in Europe too right?
Its Revolution thats around November. And Zelda may release before Revolution. Particularly in Europe. So I don't think we really know when -- we'll have to see. We need an official release before we can start saying this means a whole years wait...
With this story now out there, and as more outlets pick up on it, Nintendo will probably say something on the matter.
soundwave05
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I basically called it. Dual-format game on a single disc with some extras on the Revolution.
Although at the time I was expecting a graphics upgrade as well (this was before the IGN specs story). I wonder if the game still might get a modest bump in graphics when played on the Rev (higher res textures perhaps?).
I think this will probably be delayed again into fall 2006 to launch alongside the Revolution.
Although at the time I was expecting a graphics upgrade as well (this was before the IGN specs story). I wonder if the game still might get a modest bump in graphics when played on the Rev (higher res textures perhaps?).
I think this will probably be delayed again into fall 2006 to launch alongside the Revolution.
soundwave05
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The extra time will probably allow them to do even more with the game though, like add more dungeons, add motion capture, voice overs for characters, etc.
It's going to be interesting, they really could have a lot of time now to fully polish the game to absolute perfection.
The other benefit this has is as a "launch" title alongside Rev, you could be looking at 2-3 million in additional sales worldwide if not more. So that might make Nintendo a bit less anxious to do other "epic" kinds of projects.
It's going to be interesting, they really could have a lot of time now to fully polish the game to absolute perfection.
The other benefit this has is as a "launch" title alongside Rev, you could be looking at 2-3 million in additional sales worldwide if not more. So that might make Nintendo a bit less anxious to do other "epic" kinds of projects.
soundwave05
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human5892 said:
Maybe ... but Nintendo still is pretty frugal about disc space.
I don't think The Wind Waker for instance came close to filling up the 1.5 GB GCN disc and of course we know the lengthy Ocarina of Time was a mere 32MB.
i wish twilight princess had come out this year, particularly if waggle wand retrofitting was the deciding factor in the delay...i didn't expect xbox 360 to ruin current-gen graphics for me, but it has. already. it'll be pretty jarring to go from something like gears of war to zelda, and consequently i won't enjoy it next year as much as i would've enjoyed it this year. remember that post gahiggidy or someone made advising nintendo fans to stay away from high definition graphics? it sounds increasingly like good sense.
I doubt that that was the only reason the game was delayed. I would think they wouldn't push back a huge money-maker like Zelda six months to a release date fairly near summertime (as opposed to the holiday season) and deep into the next-gen just for the sake of controls.Goreomedy said:
Besides, we don't know the release date for Zelda or for the Revolution. There's nothing yet to say that they'll be simultaneous or even close to each other.
I doubt a control scheme takes up that much space compared to the rest of the content in the game. If it is two discs, I'm guessing it probably would have been anyway.
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human5892 said:
well, they are saying its 100 hours long if you complete all the side quests and shit.. so that stuff wont necessarily take up much more physical disk space.
soundwave05
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drohne said:
Well probably, but Revolution is going to be a good deal less powerful than the 360/PS3 anyway, so you might as well get used to it.
From a gameplay perspective, given all the time they've had, it should be the best playing title of next-year for sure though and it'll still look pretty good given its context.
Wow man, we can read some impressive amount of retarded comments in this thread.
It's pretty simple. Twilight Princess is a Gamecube game (high budget one also) that is too late in the Gamecube life. Thankfully it's the biggest Nintendo franchise or well, the one that can drive consoles the more except maybe a true Mario title.
So they delayed it to include somme gimmicky Rev fonction on it to entice people buying a Revolution. It's the perfect plan, the Rev plays GC games so why not give Rev more chances by pushing people to play Twilight Princess on it?
Seriously, this whole thing was a fucking given. It does not make the thing less gimmicky, does not prove anything about the Rev and it does not make Twilight Princess a Rev game or a next-gen game really.
It's pretty simple. Twilight Princess is a Gamecube game (high budget one also) that is too late in the Gamecube life. Thankfully it's the biggest Nintendo franchise or well, the one that can drive consoles the more except maybe a true Mario title.
So they delayed it to include somme gimmicky Rev fonction on it to entice people buying a Revolution. It's the perfect plan, the Rev plays GC games so why not give Rev more chances by pushing people to play Twilight Princess on it?
Seriously, this whole thing was a fucking given. It does not make the thing less gimmicky, does not prove anything about the Rev and it does not make Twilight Princess a Rev game or a next-gen game really.
soundwave05
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Well the thing about it now is ...
Zelda: TP
Smash Bros. Online
A token "mature" third party title or two (FPS? Resident Evil spinoff?)
Basically is good enough to sell to Nintendo fans and a good chunk of hardcore players, especailly if the system is only $150 or so.
This gives Nintendo a lot of leeway to do whatever they want with the rest of the launch lineup, which can be more experimental or Brain Training-esque in nature/dev budget.
Unfortunately if the above scenario is indeed the case, I think it means Mario Revolution probably is not coming out next year. At least New Super Mario Bros. for the DS is basically assured for next year.
Zelda: TP
Smash Bros. Online
A token "mature" third party title or two (FPS? Resident Evil spinoff?)
Basically is good enough to sell to Nintendo fans and a good chunk of hardcore players, especailly if the system is only $150 or so.
This gives Nintendo a lot of leeway to do whatever they want with the rest of the launch lineup, which can be more experimental or Brain Training-esque in nature/dev budget.
Unfortunately if the above scenario is indeed the case, I think it means Mario Revolution probably is not coming out next year. At least New Super Mario Bros. for the DS is basically assured for next year.
radioheadrule83
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Wyzdom said:
Its also a given that the perception of it as gimmicky is subjective, not least premature given you haven't tried it yet or even heard any specifics. I don't see anyone saying much that would cause the latter two statements either.
Bad day at work?
soundwave05
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Mashing said:
Yeah this is really the reality of it. If they do release it alongside Revolution, it basically assures Nintendo that they'll sell more Revolution systems and they'll probably end up selling an additional 2-3 million copies of this game, as now it'll likely sell well into 2007.
From a business P.O.V. it just makes way more sense
radioheadrule83
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SantaCruZer said:
I believe Merrick said something to the effect of within 14 weeks of the US launch when he was still at NOE... thats quite a wide birth. Revolution (and Zelda) could still launch much earlier in the US.
edit: actually its all three regions will launch within 14 weeks of each other...
PhoenixDark
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soundwave05 said:
Yeah, that looks right
-SSBM Online
-Metroid Prime 3
-Zelda TP Re-release
-New Miyamoto IP
After that EA sports titles and other third party stuff; possibly another FPS or something.
soundwave05
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I'm not so sure about Metroid Prime 3 making launch, but we'll see.
Since the Rev is basically an overclocked GCN chipset, it may mean that devs will just directly reuse old engines for the graphics with some extras ... so I guess that could speed up development.
It'll probably still take time to really figure out that controller though for devs.
Since the Rev is basically an overclocked GCN chipset, it may mean that devs will just directly reuse old engines for the graphics with some extras ... so I guess that could speed up development.
It'll probably still take time to really figure out that controller though for devs.
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argon said:
I think you've got that backwards.
I don't see why not, it'd be 2 years after MP2.
SantaC
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soundwave05 said:
I am more on the philosophy that games should be spread out so it doesn't go through a mega dry period like most new consoles do after launch.
This would be my optimal schedule:
Zelda:TP - Launched 2 months before Revolution.
New Mario Game - Rev Launch.
New SSB Game - Rev Launch.
Metroid Prime 3 - 2 months after Rev Launch.
Golden Sun 3 - 3-4 months after Rev Launch.
New Miyamoto IP - 6 months after Rev Launch.
soundwave05
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SantaCruZer said:
Realistically I think you'll get Zelda and Smash Bros. with online play ... Nintendo knows that's more than enough to get any one with even a small interest in Nintendo games to buy the system. Between those two games though you're probably talking about 200-300 hours of gameplay for a Nintendo fanatic, so that's nothing to scoff at.
Expect a *ton* of "non-traditional" titles at Revolution launch, I think this time Nintendo wants to make sure stuff like Nintendogs and Brian Training launches *with* the Revolution, not 6-8 months later like it did on the Nintendo DS.
I just hope one of them is not a cooking simulation. I just can't see such a title working ... unless they made it some frenetic Iron Chef-styled party game or something.
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Wario Ware, Metroid Prime 3, Smash Bros, Mario, new IP. That'll be the launch I reckon, or within a few weeks of launch.
soundwave05
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Mama Smurf said:
Perhaps ... but I think Nintendo really is not kidding around when they say Revolution is a platform aimed at non-gamers.
I think people will be surprised at some of the risks Nintendo will take with new franchises.
Positioning Zelda like this actually lets Nintendo studios do whatever they want now. They really don't have to worry about appeasing Nintendo fans for launch, whereas with GameCube it was always "where's my Mario? where's my Zelda? where's Metroid?".
If the system really has any chance at selling more than the GameCube, especailly being an underpowered/budget type of platform, it will need "non-traditional" games right from the start.
I think you could see anywhere from 4-5 new franchises on the Rev, some of which may be designed expressly around the controller and done at a low budget (like Brain Training on the DS), rather than 5-6 traditional Nintendo franchises/sequels + 1 new franchise.
soundwave05
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One thing I have noticed is games that are mascot or character driven seem to be a turn-off to non-gamers.
I don't know if Brain Training on the DS for instance would be as popular if it was Mario Brain Training ... I think non-gamers look at that and feel that its just another traditional type of video game.
So you might see more stuff like Fishing, Symphony Conductor, Crazy Chef, etc. without Nintendo mascots.
An all-purpose "party" title ala Mario Party or Wario Ware should be there somewhere though.
I don't know if Brain Training on the DS for instance would be as popular if it was Mario Brain Training ... I think non-gamers look at that and feel that its just another traditional type of video game.
So you might see more stuff like Fishing, Symphony Conductor, Crazy Chef, etc. without Nintendo mascots.
An all-purpose "party" title ala Mario Party or Wario Ware should be there somewhere though.
Bluemercury
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drohne said:
You didnt expect and it didnt....unless i've been seeing different xbox360 games......even my brother who is a graphics wore wasnt that impressed with 360 games....
radioheadrule83 said:
lol yeah bad day at work :lol
I know it's subjective but just by your experience, a last minute thing that is ADDED on a game.... my personal bet is that it won't be a fully integrated gameplay, it's gonna be a plus, that's all. Probably like what the "connectivity" was giving us (except for game designed with that in mind like Four Sword)
soundwave05
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I wonder if Capcom could retool the RE4 engine with the new controller and make a RE spin-off for the Rev?
That might let them make a little more $$$ off that engine.
Star Wars Lightsaber Fighter and Namco or Sega lightgun shooters also seem like no-brainers.
That might let them make a little more $$$ off that engine.
Star Wars Lightsaber Fighter and Namco or Sega lightgun shooters also seem like no-brainers.
radioheadrule83
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Fair play 
I guess we just err on different sides with regards this one - skepticism / optimism.
I guess we just err on different sides with regards this one - skepticism / optimism.
SantaCruZer said:
I would find that a better schedule. SSBM would be too threatening to Mario 128, and both would cannabilize each others sales. Metroid Prime 3 doesn't have the same drawing power, so thus it's okay if it comes at launch.
And Zelda should be released a few extra months earlier to soak up good sales.
Zerodoppler
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CrisKre said:
Aren't they still running gameplay experiments with Mario? My guess is that it'll hit stores no earlier than 2008.
soundwave05
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SantaCruZer said:
LOL. It's Smash Brothers.
Online.
If you had any interest in the franchise whatsoever, you'll be all over this title and Nintendo knows that full well.