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NHL lockout news; Crosby draft plan; Memorial Cup

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SickBoy

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I agree with the Olympic-sized rink thing, though. I read a story about Ken Dryden suggesting 4-on-4 for the NHL (which I think is idiotic) and opposing the idea of bigger ice. IMO, games on larger ice are generally more entertaining to watch than games on smaller surfaces (of course, 4-on-4 could prove entertaining).

As for all this mad scientist shit they're doing right now with the wacky curved nets and other frivolous stuff they're testing, I think a lot of it is crap. I think you change the elements of the game that don't substantially modify the rules before you do anything else:

For example: make the ice bigger, don't eliminate the red line.
Make the goalie wear appropriate equipment, don't use bad modern art for nets.
And, goddammit, enforce obstruction for once. When players were actually watching themselves due to the league "crackdown", I saw some of the most enjoyable regular season action I'd seen in recent memory. The idiots at the NHL said it never ended (the crackdown, that is), but that's BS.
 

spliced

Member
They should make the goalie equipment smaller, which it sounds like they will. I agree that it won't magically make great games, but I do think making scoring easier will help to a small degree.

The big thing is they have to call obstruction, I hope they get this thru their heads when the NHL comes back.
 

dem

Member
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=127314

Report: NHL, NHLPA agree on cap formula

The Globe and Mail reports that the NHL and NHL Players' Association have agreed on a formula for a salary-cap system based on team-by-team revenue.

The salary-cap issue was seen as the biggest hurdle in talks for a new collective bargaining agreement.

According to the Globe's league and player sources, a team-by-team salary floor and cap will based on a percentage of each NHL team's revenue. The paper adds that in the first year - based on revenue projections by both sides - the salary cap will range from $34 million to $36 million US, with the floor from $22 million to $24 million US.

The Globe also reports that the formula calls for a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax to kick in at the halfway mark between the floor and the cap. If the floor of the lowest team is $22 million US and the cap on the highest team is $36 million US, then the 'tax level' will be $29 million US.

The formula would allow wealthier teams to spend a bit more money, but would also bridge the large gaps in spending between higher payroll teams and lower payroll teams.

Small group labour talks between both sides ended late Tuesday night and resume today in New York with a larger group meeting.

Both sides have carried over the momentum from last week when 34 hours of talks were described as 'progressive' from both sides.

There are several issues to iron out, but sources in both camps believe there's a chance a deal could be done before July. Still, both sides also concede there are potential pitfalls that could prevent an agreement from being reached.

Today's session is the 21st meeting between the two sides since the season was cancelled Feb. 16.

NHL vice-president and chief legal officer Bill Daly and NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin declined to confirm or deny anything to The Globe and Mail.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Mike Works said:
seriously you fucking americans take the god damn chicken wings out of your eyes


OK let me be more clear. I can see the puck, however, I cannot anticipate it's movement. I understand that comes with time and seeing hockey in person, however, I believe if I didn't have to make a conscious effort to keep up with the puck, it would free me up to follow off-the-puck action.

I see basketball (and football in person) on a whole other level, because I can see how plays unfold and anticipate what will happen next. I don't have that with hockey, mostly because I don't know or enjoy the NHL game on TV, but partly because it is difficult for my eyes to keep up with the puck action on rebounds and one timers. HD TV will help this tremendously imo.
 

calder

Member
Fuck! Scooped by an Oiler fan! :(


It's been a year, we have a lot of animosity and trash talking to catch up on hockey fans. Allow me to begin:
fallen.jpg

Who's your goalie this year Greasers? Conklin a FA yet? :D
 

dem

Member
Im fine with Conks/Markkanen. Couldnt be worse than Salo.


more fun:
http://www.canada.com/national/nati....html?id=38faed94-d99d-431a-ad53-0643b29de850
Morrison admitted the players may have underestimated the resolve of the owners, who vowed to darken their arenas until a new economic system was in place. The players have been locked out since Sept. 16, 2004.

Morrison, 29, forfeited $3.55 million US in salary, playing instead for $10,000 a month in Sweden. He has no NHL contract for 2005-06.

"There's no question the owners have shown a lot of solidarity throughout the whole scenario," Morrison said. "I think they've done a good job of this negotiation. Right off the bat, they set guidelines and they've stuck to them pretty well.

"I guess hindsight is always beautiful and it's easy for people to now say, `Why weren't you guys just resigned to this deal at the beginning of last year?' Well, nobody knew it was going to play out this way."
 
i hope they bring in the penalty shoot out after the 5 min over time in regular season.


oh yeah also the instigator suspension rule has to go.
 

dem

Member
More hockey news...

TORONTO (June 8, 2005) — Jim Gregory, Chairman of the Hockey Hall of Fame Selection Committee, announced today that Valeri Kharlamov and Cam Neely have been elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in the Player Category. In the Builder Category, former President of the Canadian Amateur Association, Murray Costello, was elected. The vote was made today at the annual meeting of the Selection Committee in Toronto.
 

calder

Member
I like those HOF picks. Although the Hall is already a joke due to very lax standards oh well those 2 players deserve it.


One thing about the NHL's rule change demo's that surprises me is how positive many of the reactions were to the bigger nets. Even the junior and uni goalies who were interviewed said it wasn't a huge difference but made it more like when they were young and had to move to cover the net on skaters coming down the boards as opposed to completely covering the angles just from good positioning. I still doubt the league would change something like that but I can dream. ;)
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
I bet the players wish they took the league's $42.5 million cap final offer back in February. :lol
 
remember how fun hockey use to be before teh devils started to win their cups?

I dont know how the effect of he trap can be neutralized at this point.
 
The trap can be hurt by bigger ice, and if they do go with shootouts, I think it should work like this:

CURRENT SYSTEM:

Tie game after 60 minutes = 1 point each
Someone scores in OT = 2 points for the win, 1 point for the OT loss

SHOOTOUT SYSTEM:

Tie game after 60 minutes = no points awarded
Tie game after 5 minute OT = 1 point each
Whoever wins in shootout = 2 points for the win, 1 point for the shootout loser

I don't want to see shootouts, I'd much rather prefer to see a 10 minute OT, but if it does come down to it, I don't want to see a single team lose their point if they lose in a shootout.
 

SickBoy

Member
Mind you, if you're going to be awarded a point for losing a game, I'd rather it be awarded for a shootout loss than an overtime loss (and if there are no ties, I consider that a bit more legitimate). I don't like the overtime loss system... where a loss is just as good as a tie...
 
Mike Works said:
The trap can be hurt by bigger ice, and if they do go with shootouts, I think it should work like this:

CURRENT SYSTEM:

Tie game after 60 minutes = 1 point each
Someone scores in OT = 2 points for the win, 1 point for the OT loss

SHOOTOUT SYSTEM:

Tie game after 60 minutes = no points awarded
Tie game after 5 minute OT = 1 point each
Whoever wins in shootout = 2 points for the win, 1 point for the shootout loser

I don't want to see shootouts, I'd much rather prefer to see a 10 minute OT, but if it does come down to it, I don't want to see a single team lose their point if they lose in a shootout.

yea you have a point with the Bigger ice.

as for hte shoot out i think they should implement it like this:

after the 5 min overtime each team should get one point and then the shootout should be in place for the extra point.

Ofcourse the playoffs should not be effected.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
as for hte shoot out i think they should implement it like this:

after the 5 min overtime each team should get one point and then the shootout should be in place for the extra point.
uh, that's what I said
 

Cooper

Member
DJ_Tet said:
I don't have that with hockey, mostly because I don't know or enjoy the NHL game on TV, but partly because it is difficult for my eyes to keep up with the puck action on rebounds and one timers. HD TV will help this tremendously imo.

Yes, hockey in HD is really beautiful. I can't name a single NHL player, but whenever there was an HD game on, I would watch it just because it looked so great.
 

calder

Member
The trap was arguable created in Europe and definitely perfected there largely *because* of the wider ice. Bigger ice = more space = more time for defense & one winger to get back to funnel opposing skaters to the dead zone along the boards.

Big ice makes the trap more effective, not less based on everything I've seen or read.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
Mike Works said:
uh, that's what I said
The way you posted it the first time made it seem that there were 5 possible points.
Mike Works said:
SHOOTOUT SYSTEM:

Tie game after 60 minutes = no points awarded
Tie game after 5 minute OT = 1 point each (you shouldn't have posted this part)
Whoever wins in shootout = 2 points for the win, 1 point for the shootout loser
 

aceface

Member
"I guess hindsight is always beautiful and it's easy for people to now say, `Why weren't you guys just resigned to this deal at the beginning of last year?' Well, nobody knew it was going to play out this way."

Everyone was saying it was going to play out this way with a one, maybe two year lockout, for months beforehand!! STUPID PLAYERS AHHHHH
 

SickBoy

Member
calder said:
The trap was arguable created in Europe and definitely perfected there largely *because* of the wider ice. Bigger ice = more space = more time for defense & one winger to get back to funnel opposing skaters to the dead zone along the boards.

Big ice makes the trap more effective, not less based on everything I've seen or read.

A lot of suggestions from guys like Dryden and other hockey people seems to be that more space is needed -- not necessarily from a stop the trap perspective, but a "there's not enough room out there" angle. (Dryden quite rightly suggested that larger ice may give players more room, but mostly in uninteresting areas, such as the corners -- I'd still rather see larger ice than his goofy-ass 4-on-4 suggestion, though).

I think it's hard for a lot of NHL fans not to clamour for larger ice, because a lot of the action that's been seen recently on the international stage has been pretty exciting to watch.

As for the international game, I'm going to throw a change I'd like to see out there, much to the chagrin of the purists:

1) Fighting=game misconduct + one-game suspension.
2) Multiple offences=longer suspensions.

I used to think fighting was cool, but I've lost interest in that element of the game and think it can lead to ugliness a la Bertuzzi or McSorley. And while I think there are some decent arguments for fighting, I think they're outweighed by the prospect of possibly getting rid of some of the semi-talented rockheads that some teams like to put on the ice. Take away obstruction and fighting, and that just about does it for some guys in the league.
 
SickBoy said:
I used to think fighting was cool, but I've lost interest in that element of the game and think it can lead to ugliness a la Bertuzzi or McSorley.
Fighting in hockey and hitting someone from behind with your stick or sucker punching them have no relation.
 

SickBoy

Member
But apparently those sorts of acts do have something to do with wanting to fight an unwilling opponent... (McSorley at the very least)

EDIT: And either way, there's still the whole issue of the goon that I'd like to see taken care of.
 
SickBoy said:
But apparently those sorts of acts do have something to do with wanting to fight an unwilling opponent... (McSorley at the very least)
Yeah, they resorted to doing those things because they made a very stupid decision to act out on the frustration of not being able to fight the person.

So lets remove fighting!!
 

SickBoy

Member
Well, the act of "trying to fight a guy" wouldn't come naturally if it wasn't part of the game.

You see players in every sport do stupid crap, but it's never (except in hockey) because someone won't fight them.
 
SickBoy said:
Well, the act of "trying to fight a guy" wouldn't come naturally if it wasn't part of the game.

You see players in every sport do stupid crap, but it's never (except in hockey) because someone won't fight them.


You know the reason we get alot of these star players injured by dirty plays these days is BECAUSE there isnt enough fighting due to teh instigator rule. Dirty Players know that all they will get is a 2 minute minor for going after a star player. The frustration just boils over and then player start retaliating with even more dirty plays to get even.

Fighting is part of the game for a reason.
 

darscot

Member
It always make me laugh when people think haveing fighting in the game leads to people getting hit upside the head with a stick.

When reality is the opposite. If they ever get smart and get rid of that damn instigator rule watch the stick some down. That and bring back the damn fire minute major for drawing blood none of this double minor crap.
 

SickBoy

Member
I'm always surprised by the number of people who seem to think fighting is some form of buffer against a Mad Max version of hockey... when in fact there are plenty of people (at various levels) playing without it and doing just fine.

Yet there's absolutely no denying Marty McSorley whacked Brashear upside the head with his stick expressly because he wanted to fight and Brashear wanted nothing to do with it... and you could definitely make the case that Steve Moore got his because he was trying to keep his nose clean against a team that wanted a piece of him.

The IIHF has strict rules against fighting, yet you don't see all-star calibre competitors in international play getting their heads lopped off by nasty stickwork:

gloves off = 10 minute misconduct
instigator = game

At the Olympics, fighting gets you booted. Period.

So where are these nasty incidents in competition where fighting is much more strongly frowned upon?

I think dirty play stems from lax officiating more than anything else. IMO, Don Cherry's growing influence has been one of the worst things to happen to NHL hockey. This is the guy who pioneered the phrase "Let 'em play, ref!"

"Let 'em play" signs a blank cheque for dirty play, and it's also a big part of what makes the neutral zone trap so effective. You'll do as much as you can get away with, and I think the risk of hurting your team is a much bigger deterrent than the risk of taking a punch to the head and turtling (or letting the other guy pound on you and winning your team a power play).

Fans moan about the refs' influence in the game, yet the deterrence more penalties would eventually bash into the league would help the quality of play in the long run -- and power plays, let's face it, are exciting to watch. I think it's time for the NHL to step up and tell refs to stop fearing their impact on the game and call it like they should.
 

fallout

Member
calder said:
The trap was arguable created in Europe and definitely perfected there largely *because* of the wider ice. Bigger ice = more space = more time for defense & one winger to get back to funnel opposing skaters to the dead zone along the boards.

Big ice makes the trap more effective, not less based on everything I've seen or read.
Yeah, larger rinks wouldn't help the situation directly. I'm certainly not opposed to a larger rink, but the teams that play the trap will simply adjust. Actually, based on what you're saying, they would adjust better. So, as long as the system is being implemented, it'll always be a problem until they directly attack the problem, rather than skirting around the issue by making the nets and rinks bigger.
 

Shinobi

Member
Kabuki Waq said:
You know the reason we get alot of these star players injured by dirty plays these days is BECAUSE there isnt enough fighting due to teh instigator rule. Dirty Players know that all they will get is a 2 minute minor for going after a star player. The frustration just boils over and then player start retaliating with even more dirty plays to get even.

Fighting is part of the game for a reason.

...which is why you rarely see fights take place in the playoffs, and almost never see fights in international competition.

Sickboy's on point on this one. I love watching a good clean hockey fight, but the only argument that can be made to justify it's existance is that the NHL's suspension policy is weak-kneed, inconsistent and full of shit far too often. If they would go after the guys who used their sticks or ran into people from behind with clear, consistent penalties, the dirty shit would be cleaned up by 90% almost overnight. The players have lost enough money over the course of the past year...they don't need to lose another eighth of their paycheque simply because they wanted to "send a message". But they'll miss a game or two (if that) if they can hurt a star player on a rival team.

The goonish "eye for an eye" mentality is what led to the Bertuzzi nonsense...the fact that some (if not many) fans argued that what happened to Moore was justified because of what he did to Naslund shows just how ridiculous the whole thing is, and why it might as well be flushed before someone actually dies from this. But the NHL has to show it's got a set of nuts first.

Either way, the goons need to be turfed out...I've long grown tired of untalented meatballs being hired simply due to their fists, while skillful but smaller players are left by the wayside. Seeing two real players like Iggy and Lacavlier going at it is a different deal altogether.
 
Iginla vs Lecavlier was a good fight. So was Iginla vs Guerin. As was Iginla vs Ohlund.

So yeah, the NHL really needs to get rid of goons like Brashear, Probert, and Iginla.
 

SickBoy

Member
Mike Works said:
Iginla vs Lecavlier was a good fight. So was Iginla vs Guerin. As was Iginla vs Ohlund.

So yeah, the NHL really needs to get rid of goons like Brashear, Probert, and Iginla.

EDIT: I have no idea what Mike Works has quoted. Way to misquote a guy ;) Oh the shame of posting something, realizing it's retarded then going back to delete it a minute later only to find someone's already quoted it :( Still, after much deliberation, I've decided to pretend I never typed it :)

Simply put, there's a very solid place in the league for Iginla whether or not fighting is a part of the NHL game.
 
Mike Works said:
Iginla vs Lecavlier was a good fight. So was Iginla vs Guerin. As was Iginla vs Ohlund.

So yeah, the NHL really needs to get rid of goons like Brashear, Probert, and Iginla.


The Iginla fight against Hatcher at the end of Game #2 in the 2nd Round last year pretty much won it for the Flames in my opinon. There's an example of how a fight can win not just a game, but turn around an entire series as well.

Gawd I hate the Flames. :lol
 
SickBoy said:
The logic:

Iginla fights therefore he is a goon.
Iginla is a goon and he can score goals.
Rob Ray is a goon therefore he can score goals.

...or something (no need to take it apart, GA, I know it's crap). :)

Simply put, there's a very solid place in the league for Iginla whether or not fighting is a part of the NHL game.
wow
 

SickBoy

Member
wow indeed, it's an incredibly crappy inverse of the "point" you made (if Iginla fights he must be a goon)

EDIT: i.e. the instant I posted it I knew it didn't convey the point I'd intended

EDIT 2: (Figure I shouldn't let that stand alone and actually explain myself)
... the point is essentially that the fact Iginla fights doesn't make him a goon... nor does it do anything, IMO, to legitimize single-purpose goons a la Rob Ray or otherwise. Take the fighting out of Iginla and he's still a player worth watching.

..how you couldn't get that from the original post baffles me. What's wrong with you people? ;)
 

calder

Member
A sign of the times
Mogilny willing to take cut
By STEVE SIMMONS -- Toronto Sun

Alexander Mogilny has let it be known that he would accept more than a $3-million US pay cut to play next season for the Maple Leafs.

While Mogilny remains a locked out player -- and the Leafs are not allowed to communicate with him until a collective bargaining agreement is done -- his willingness to take a giant financial step backwards is quite telling in these troubled times for National Hockey League players.

Mogilny's situation, in some ways, speaks volumes about the unsettled yet optimistic state of negotiations between NHL owners and players. He may be a free agent in the brave new world but just in case, he's looking out for himself.

Among the many issues that still need to be agreed upon between players and owners is the status of the unfulfilled contracts from the lost season of 2004-05 contracts. The Players' Association, looking for something positive to sell its membership on through these humbling negotiations, would like to back date all contracts by one season.

Typically, the league wants nothing to do with this. And, in fact, teams would have great difficulty reaching salary cap levels with all of this season's contracts in place.

Now enter Mogilny, coming off hip surgery, 36 years old, smarter than your average bear, who doesn't necessarily know what his status is -- but wants to be proactive on his own behalf.

So rather than worry about whether his $5-million contract is in place for next season, (although typically Mogilny, he has told others he plans to retire) he lets out whispers loud enough that he will play for one-third of his previous salary. What he's doing is what enough players haven't been doing throughout the lockout: He's relying on himself rather than his association.

And this could end up interesting, divisive and potentially nasty if more players act similarly.

Take the Leafs situation, for example. Mogilny, a $5-million free agent (assuming his contract expires on July 1), now has set a price that he will accept assuming the Leafs are interested. At the same time, Gary Roberts and Joe Nieuwendyk, both of whom made significantly less money than Mogilny last season, want to remain with the Leafs.

But suddenly, with Mogilny setting his own level, he is unknowingly or knowingly lessening the bargaining position of Roberts and Nieuwendyk.

"You might see a guy like Joe Nieuwendyk retiring under this new system," a hockey source said yesterday. "Not just him but a lot of older free agents. If the value of free agents will be that low and say someone offers him $600,000 to play when he has been making $2 million of $3 million a year, he might just say it's time to quit."

These are among the many unanswered questions hockey is about to face, not just in this market but everywhere. With confusing economics, a sliding salary cap and teams like the Leafs possibly caught in a position where 16 players need to be acquired and there's less than $8 million to spend to do so, there are any number of significant factors still to be worked out in the bargaining sessions.

Free agency is one key issue, which works both ways for the players. In the past, the more liberal free agency was, the more the players benefitted. But under a salary cap system, the free agent market could easily be oversaturated, leaving any number of players without jobs.

Also significant will be the formula for buying out player contracts and how that will impact teams. Will a buyout count against the cap in a way the Hakeem Olajuwon contract tied up Raptors money for two seasons he wasn't here?

There is so much still to be worked on, but as the agreement gets closer, so, too, does the anxiety level of those involved.

The Mogilny example is just one of many that are bound to unfold. Soon, the game will be musical chairs, hockey style.

Just who is left without a seat when the music stops remains anyone's guess.

My take: :lol

NHL's followers are victims of their leaders
Union members pay for blind loyalty

DAMIEN COX

HALIFAX—It was significant news in these parts that five — count 'em, five — Nova Scotians were among the 40 players named to attend a training camp for Canada's under-18 team this week.

One of them, sniper James Sheppard of Lower Sackville, is already being talked up a great deal, not quite in Crosby-like terms but certainly as a prominent possibility to be a major part of the next generation of Canadian hockey stars.

It is to be hoped that generation, joined down the line with other burgeoning hockey talents from the United States and Europe that we have yet to hear about, will learn the hard lessons from the generations that came before when it comes to their professional careers if they become part of the NHL Players' Association.

Lesson No.1: Sheep get slaughtered.

For the NHLPA, this was the case pre-1990 when, under the leadership of Alan Eagleson, many players were silenced, bullied and cowed by Eagleson's hardminded leadership and failed to ask the necessary questions.

If it is true any group with voting power gets the leadership it deserves, the union back then deserved to be treated as it was by Eagleson, who ultimately was convicted for his financial manoeuvrings with the union and its pension money.

Fifteen years later, it has been, in some ways, déjà vu all over again for the players' union. Nobody has accused Bob Goodenow of illegalities of any kind and it is true that for more than a decade his unrelenting drive to raise player salaries made the athletes he led wildly rich.

But when it came to the labour struggle in which the union is still engaged, one in which they have been locked out of their jobs for 10 months and have lost more than $1 billion (U.S.) in salaries, once again the majority of players declined to even try to understand where their paid executive director was taking them.

All you had to do over the past months is ask a player a few questions, even a union rep, and invariably it became crystal clear that they had done little critical thinking of their own and could only mouth union propaganda.

Remember Scott Walker, a veritable poster boy for the honest, hardworking hockey player, appearing on TSN's Off the Record and sarcastically comparing the NHL's insistence on a salary cap to a parent trying over and over to force a child to eat vegetables?

Within days, the union had caved on the cap. Hundreds of players, including Walker, one supposes, were left looking as if they had no idea what their union was doing.

Whether under Eagleson or Goodenow, NHL players have yet to forcibly and permanently grab control of their own union, one founded on some very worthy principles 38 years ago. It cost them in the pre-1990 era and it has cost them again.

Humbled by the owners in this round of collective bargaining, forced to accept not only a salary cap but linkage, as well as a 24 per cent across-the-board pay cut, it is almost funny to hear union members and even some media people try to argue that the players are looking to cut a deal now because they love the game.

As if they really have a choice any more.

For months, these same voices shouted that the owners would crack, or that the end game of the Bettman administration was always to reach a stalemate and then force replacement players down the throats of unsuspecting hockey fans.

That never really made sense and now that it has been proved to have been an incorrect supposition from the start, it's been quietly dropped. But that was what Goodenow and his lieutenants were selling to the players last summer and fall and they bought it unquestioningly.

Just as if it was 1980 and Eagleson was doing the selling.

If players had reason to believe in Goodenow, they also, based on history, had very good reasons to be skeptical and to make sure dissenting voices were heard.

Remember last fall when a handful of players like Steve Thomas and Mike Commodore chose to question the direction of the union?

They were crushed and silenced and, in some cases, forced to recant.

In recent months, it became almost sad to hear once-defiant players whining about the unwillingness of the owners to bend, as if it should suddenly have become the owners' responsibility to bail out the players from the untenable corner into which they had painted themselves.

When this lockout is finally over, the players' association must sit down and go through a painful self-examination and try to understand how once again their union was essentially hijacked by a small group of strong-willed individuals and paid employees with the broader interests of the majority shoved aside.

Some should ask, for example, why, on the day the season was cancelled in February, was there not a union representative in New York at least available to meet with the league when there was possibly a deal to be done that might well have been superior to that which they will soon accept?

This union must find a way to establish a more lively and vibrant democracy.

Over the past 38 years, being blind followers has cost these fine athletes too much.
I hate agreeing with Damien Cox but... on point like a motherfucker. The rank and file NHLers better be tearing the union leadership a new asshole behind the scenes right now and clean house once they CBA gets done.
 

calder

Member
And an AP report for you Pens fans out there:
Mario set to sell Penguins: Report

PITTSBURGH (AP) — A group of West Coast investors led by a friend of Mario Lemieux is set to become the majority owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported today.

William (Boots) Del Biaggio, a San Jose, Calif., businessman and friend of the Pittsburgh player-owner, and other unidentified investors have negotiated a letter of intent to buy the team, the newspaper said. Lemieux, who has owned the team since it emerged from bankruptcy in 1999, would retain a smaller share of the Penguins, the paper added.

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said the club is negotiating with an unidentified group of investors. He declined to discuss Del Biaggio's group with The Associated Press.

"Even if there is a substantial new investment in the team, Mario Lemieux will continue to be involved in all aspects of the operation," McMillan said.

Del Biaggio, president and chief executive officer of Sand Hill Capital in Menlo Park, Calif., did not immediately return a phone call from the AP on Friday.

Del Biaggio is one of Lemieux's co-owners of the Omaha Lancers of the U.S. Hockey League and also owns part of San Jose's American Hockey League affiliate, the Cleveland Barons.
Anyone who buys the Pens would be insane to not make Lemieux a partner/figurehead. Even if he doesn't play next year, without him as president of the club or something there's not much to keep fans in Pittsburgh around for - at least for a few years. When Fleury hits his prime and Malkin has a few years under his belt that team should fucking rock, especially with a small-market friendly CBA.

Won't stop me from kinda sorta wishing they'd move the team to a hockey-mad city in the middle of Canada though. ;) But as long as a franchise has a fanbase and chance at a rebirth I can't actively wish the team would pack up. Now Florida.... ;)
 

Shinobi

Member
Humbled by the owners in this round of collective bargaining, forced to accept not only a salary cap but linkage, as well as a 24 per cent across-the-board pay cut, it is almost funny to hear union members and even some media people try to argue that the players are looking to cut a deal now because they love the game.

As if they really have a choice any more.

Remember last fall when a handful of players like Steve Thomas and Mike Commodore chose to question the direction of the union?

They were crushed and silenced and, in some cases, forced to recant.

In recent months, it became almost sad to hear once-defiant players whining about the unwillingness of the owners to bend, as if it should suddenly have become the owners' responsibility to bail out the players from the untenable corner into which they had painted themselves.

Yeah, he's completely on point. I love Damien Cox myself...even when I disagree with him (which these days happens less frequently), he makes his points in such a way that I can't help but laugh. He's one of the few in the media who thinks for himself, offering fresh ideas as opposed to simply chiming the same shit that the rest of the pack tends to do.

The mistake the PA made from day one was saying they'd never accept a salary cap. It amazes me that a guy like Goodenow, who's supposedly a sharp cookie and was allegedly a master negotiator going into this (can't say I ever bought that theory...the NHL owners were simply that much more inept) could lock himself into such a ridiculous all or nothing stance so early in the game. And to do this when the NHL was already a distant fourth out of the big four (NASCAR has since kicked their ass out of that group) and when every other league had a cap of some sort, or were looking to get one (MLB) made the stance even stupider.

My own stance throughout this process was less about being pro-player, and more anti-owner, since they've brought much of this on themselves yet until recently had no interest in doing revenue sharing, which would solve the issues FAR more then simply a cap. But the writing was on the wall...a cap had to be instituted, if for no other reason then for Bettman to save his own hide. More to the point, nobody in the US gave a shit that the league was going through this mess...and that should've been ringing alarm bells inside those PA meeting rooms. But hey, live and learn I suppose.
 

SA-X

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The Iginla fight against Hatcher at the end of Game #2 in the 2nd Round last year pretty much won it for the Flames in my opinon.

That fight was bullshit I tell you, bullshit! Hatcher would have clocked his ass if Iginla wasn't still wearing his helmet with the visor on, pussy.

*takes a deep breath*
 
I'm not an Iggy fan, but there is no excuse for Hatcher. He got beat down, helmet on or not.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Iggy's a pussy, he knows how important he is to a team incase he gets injured (ie. backing away from Andre Roy in the Finals last year).

Hatcher on the other hand could be called a pussy the numerous times he did not want to get it on with Georges Laraque back in his Stars days, or the brutal elbow he gave Matthew Lombardi in last years playoffs.


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Bill Guerin, Mattias Ohlund, Derian Hatcher, Vincent Lecavlier... Andre Roy.

One of these things is not like the other... one of these things just doesn't belong...
 

DJ_Tet

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And an AP report for you Pens fans out there:

Anyone who buys the Pens would be insane to not make Lemieux a partner/figurehead. Even if he doesn't play next year, without him as president of the club or something there's not much to keep fans in Pittsburgh around for - at least for a few years. When Fleury hits his prime and Malkin has a few years under his belt that team should fucking rock, especially with a small-market friendly CBA.

Won't stop me from kinda sorta wishing they'd move the team to a hockey-mad city in the middle of Canada though. ;) But as long as a franchise has a fanbase and chance at a rebirth I can't actively wish the team would pack up. Now Florida.... ;)



Please, for the love of god, take the Carolina Hurricanes. Not because of my hate of the NHL or hockey (there is none) but because hockey just doesn't belong in North Carolina. Not to mention Georgia or Florida, but seriously, a major league team in Raleigh NC (or Columbus Ohio for that matter) doesn't really sound good for a league. Sounds like some of the old ABA cities ;)
 

SickBoy

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Things are going about as I'd expected (and as I'd hoped) more or less during the lockout. One thing that actually surprises me is that I did miss hockey (I guess in the same way some were surprised they didn't).

But I'm thrilled the owners didn't cave, and while I think the hard lines on both sides has shoved the league into a desperately weak position, the new-look NHL that emerges should be pretty good.

I also think that under the new-style NHL, any U.S. market that can't make it should have its team shipped up to Canada. There are at least a couple of Canadian places (i.e: Winnipeg, Quebec) -- if not more -- that could support a team assuming financial realities become more real.

EDIT: I also think in some places if the damage of the lockout has severely hurt fan base, it might be an attractive move to do just that, whether they had to or not.
 
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