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NHL March 2014 |OT| The C on Dustin Brown's jersey stands for Cu
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Dastardly Jerks
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Lone_Prodigy
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Man this Kesler to Pittsburgh talk is really heating up. Don't think the Canucks would be happy with Sutter as the centrepiece of a deal though (unless the picks and prospects were really good).
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1h
Price to get Kesler is high. 1. Significant/established NHLer, preferably a C, 20 to 25; 2. Top prospect, preferably a F. 3. 1st rd pick.
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1h
Now, that isn't to say VAN couldn't take D instead of F prospect but more pressing need is up front. May just mean having to move a D later.
Basically exactly what I talked to Red about earlier that I'd rather have F prospects than D prospects, since we have no space to give D prospects any playtime without moving additional D pieces (on top of Edler).
We'll see. Let's just hope Gillis doesn't fuck it up or I want him fire right after the trade is announced.
yodathesoda
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Monahan for ROY.
Heh. Too bad Berra didn't get the shutout.
Bonafide 2nd line centre who can shutdown other teams top lines?
The pick will more than likely be a 25-30 one, and the Pens can afford to give up Sutter. The prospect would be toughest to give up.
SpectreFire
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Yeah, who the hell would want a 29 year old who's one of the best two-way centers in the league and can play in any forward position, play in any situation, and is on a cheap $5 million contract that's got two more years left beyond this season.
It's not like he's a legitimate impact player on any team in this league.
Sounds like they want younger Kesler+more for actual Kesler. Dat value proposition.
Is this sarcasm? I just learned what that is today.
Yeah, I'd give up a young quality NHLer and a top prospect or a first rounder for that. But all three? So basically a player plus a first round pick plus a prospect who was likely also a first round pick. Yeah, not seeing a lot of takers there.
You'd give up a young prospect ONLY for the above? :lol
It's not like we HAVE to sell Kesler (unlike the Luongo/Schneider situation), so we're not just gonna throw him away. He brings immense value to whatever team he'll play on. Again, one of the best two-way centers in the league, 1C/2C who can shut down any team's first line and one of the top3 PK'ing forwards in the league who had a 40 goal season just 2 years ago.
And again, that's the ASKING price. Doesn't mean it'll end up being the actual price. But a good prospect, a young 2C/3C and a first round pick doesn't sound unreasonable to me, for a contender the impact he'll have will be huge, while prospects may or may not pan out. Especially 'cause the pick will probably be 20-30, not top20.
SpectreFire
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20+ teams have already called Vancouver with 7 being serious buyers. Those include Boston, Chicago, New York and Pittsburgh.
When you've got a team that's set up a good window for a cup, Kesler's the kind of player that would take you to another level and keep your chances very viable for the next 2-3 years. If Boston, Chicago or Pittsburgh adds Kesler, they're essentially buying a cup at that point.
SpectreFire
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Come on Smelly, you're better at reading than that.
Plz smelly, don't put words in our mouths. That asking price is astronomical though. And he hasn't been as good for a couple years now. And is apparently playing hurt.
But yeah it's all part of negotiating so who knows what he would actually be traded for.
Freyjadour
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What our lineup should be when healthy:
Steen-Backes-Oshie
Schwartz-Sobotka-Tarasenko
Ott-Berglund-Jaskin
Morrow-Lapierre-Reaves
What it will be:
Some fucked up version of the above with the young talent spread all over the 4 lines.
Come on Hitch. Steen Backes Oshie scores. Schwartz Sobi/Roy Tarasenko scores. As long as our third and fourth stay at 0 +/- who gives a shit if they're anemic offensively.
Steen-Backes-Oshie
Schwartz-Sobotka-Tarasenko
Ott-Berglund-Jaskin
Morrow-Lapierre-Reaves
What it will be:
Some fucked up version of the above with the young talent spread all over the 4 lines.
Come on Hitch. Steen Backes Oshie scores. Schwartz Sobi/Roy Tarasenko scores. As long as our third and fourth stay at 0 +/- who gives a shit if they're anemic offensively.
spctrfr pls
That second line is so appealing, it sucks that it hasn't been and won't be a regular thing. Classic Blues though, trying to get the gritty nothing-masters going by wasting skill players on their lines.
apocalidiot
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Freyjadour
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If Hitchcock is still off of that lineup come the postseason, he's outstayed his welcome honestly.
Morrow - Backes - Oshie first line incoming for round one. The legacy of McDonald come back to haunt us again.
calder said:
Come on calder, you're better at thinking the same thing within an hour than that.
Unhandled Exception
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holy shit hahaha
YESSSSSSSS LET IT BE SO
http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_25255599/paul-stastny-avs-could-part-ways-if-new
Age, man. Cut him some slack.
Oh man I'd be pissed if the package is centred around Brandon Sutter, though I know he was one of the guys Gillis apparently was willing to trade Hodgson for.
Mike Richards was traded for Brayden Schenn, Simmonds and 2nd. Schenn was the number 1 prospect in hockey at the time too, get something like that damnit.
Mike Richards was traded for Brayden Schenn, Simmonds and 2nd. Schenn was the number 1 prospect in hockey at the time too, get something like that damnit.
Kuro Madoushi
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The Coyotes?! D:
I'd rather drink a Coors lite!
I figure if they don't get relocated in the next three games, they done good.
Hmmm...trying to think of an Eastern conference team so that I can actually watch these damn games...
Ok, I'm on the Detroit Crazed Tank Machine for 3 games.
I'd rather drink a Coors lite!
I figure if they don't get relocated in the next three games, they done good.
Hmmm...trying to think of an Eastern conference team so that I can actually watch these damn games...
Ok, I'm on the Detroit Crazed Tank Machine for 3 games.
Fucking dementia. I hardly recognise the guy anymore. Last week he lapsed into a 'GO FLAMES GO' chant and I had to tell him that was four years ago. He paused and quietly mouthed 'go sens go'.... I had to walk away. :/
Coldnoodle
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Zod the Bear
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Wish we still had Forsberg
Forsberg+Johansson+2nd
Curious--would you try a package with Kuznetsov?
Coldnoodle
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Zod the Bear
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Gotcha. I'm looking forward to seeing how he turns out too. Hopefully he's not the second coming of Radulov.
You're a Coyotes fan this week.
Sir don't bring us down in your pity party.
Montreal and Toronto could play each other in the first round then your prediction is wrong.
bonesmccoy
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Richards has had a slightly more productive career but I agree that those are the returns Gillis should be asking for.
Where do the 'a lot of mileage' comments come from re Kesler? Just from looking at his GP, he's 2 seasons (maybe just 1?) where he's missed time from injuries.
Interesting...
I know a lot of Sens fans don't want to trade him because of a potential Chara situation, but I just don't see Cowen ever coming close to becoming a Chara. The hockey sense just isn't there.
Whereas with Chara the hockey sense was there, but the skating wasn't, and that's what the Sens really helped improve when he came over from the Isles.
I miss that old Sens management group and coaching staff, they really focused heavily on skating and conditioning and development.
Coldnoodle
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You just have to grind them down.
A Canucks fan can refute this when they see it. This is just what I've heard on the radio from insiders:
I keep hearing them state Kesler is an amazing talent on a great contract but they worry despite him only being 29 they feel he has the wear and tear as if he was 33 years old. Basically feeling with his style of play he is on the decline now.
Again I have no clue on that as I almost never see Kesler play. This is just what I keep hearing about him.
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