Brian_FETO
Banned
"Stop calling me ma'am" plays into this as well. He's talking to her like he doesn't know her, which just reminds her of him not retaining his memories
Doesn't want to call him Nines because it shows attachment
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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Doesn't want to call him Nines because it shows attachment
Going by the novella I'm more inclined to think shes actually saying that for her own benefit.
Emperor_EL
Member
Does Emil come back after you finish Emil's Determination?
Jawmuncher
Member
So what was supposed to be sad in this?
Can't say I cared for 9s or 2Bs weird relationship
Can't say I cared for 9s or 2Bs weird relationship
Heartless of you, but Pascal's a big one. Devola and Popola's another.
FlutterPuffs
Member
It's ok. It just means the story is not for you.
Yeah. It's not like the one that died was the only Emil out there.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Machines killing themselves
The mourning of dead comrades
The fear of dying alone
The forest people just wanting to be left alone
The inevitability of failure
Like I feel like you shouldn't have to look hard to find examples
Jawmuncher
Member
It definitely wasn't. I ended Pascal without hesitation.
Devola and Popolas whole story basically being tied to a mini visual novel kind of hurt it as well.
I expected a lot more from the story at least from the surface. If anything has me itching to play the original nier, so I can better compare them story wise while this is still fresh.
Cant really say much of that stood out to me.
A lot of it just kinda, comes and goes so you don't really have to think about it.
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I do think an issue was not caring about the characters. Especially 9s. I cared more about Adam and Eve than I did the main characters. I'd have taken a whole game about them. They were definitey a big highlight for me.
Jawmuncher
Member
Stuff like that, and the helping others by deleting your saves was A+. When he stepped out of the norm gameplay wise Is what I enjoyed most.
I wonder if it would be a spoiler to tell people they literally can't finish the game without an internet connection.
I've already seen a handful of people run into this brick wall and got really sour about everything. *Example. when Liam from Superbestfriends streamed it, he tried to fight the credits for like 2 hours without knowing why it was so hard
I've already seen a handful of people run into this brick wall and got really sour about everything. *Example. when Liam from Superbestfriends streamed it, he tried to fight the credits for like 2 hours without knowing why it was so hard
Just tell them the network features the game talks about "are more important than you think"
Also, haven't seen it posted here or on the main thread, but doing 6O's missions makes the beginning of route C much more painful T_T
I didn't really feel sad when playing this like I did with Nier, and I was playing this while my dog passed. (I joke that Taro actually has a curse on me. I've only played 3 of his games and every time I have a sick dog who passes before I beat it)
I did feel more empty by the end. Like everything was pointless.
The fact that they're cursed to always end in death, be it 2B killing 9S or the war itself, the death loop left me feeling hopeless more than sad.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
Someone knows why they all have white hairs?
The androids? They don't. The operators and commands actually have blonde yellow hair without the b/w filter and we've seen a scanner unit with black hair too.
A lot of people have misunderstood the way the war works and think that the events of the game keep looping. Really all it is is just every time one side is about to win the war they self-sabotage to keep it going.
Adam and Eve ask 9S to come with just to hammer home that the machines really don't want to fight anymore.
I just beat the game. I'm gonna get no sleep but it was worth it. I'm pretty confused though.
What was the point of Project YoRHa? What was the point of the endless fighting?
Why was an ark holding everyone's memories sent to space? Does this happen in every cycle too?
What did the original Devola and Popola do to get shitted on so badly? All I remember from Nier is that they were androids created by humans and were ultimately in the Replicants' side.
What exactly happened in the ending? Weren't their memories being sent to space? So do they instead retain them and are allowed to live their lives? Is the war even over at the end? I know 2B and the others will know it's all bullshit but that's not gonna stop machines from attacking them.
What was the point of Project YoRHa? What was the point of the endless fighting?
Why was an ark holding everyone's memories sent to space? Does this happen in every cycle too?
What did the original Devola and Popola do to get shitted on so badly? All I remember from Nier is that they were androids created by humans and were ultimately in the Replicants' side.
What exactly happened in the ending? Weren't their memories being sent to space? So do they instead retain them and are allowed to live their lives? Is the war even over at the end? I know 2B and the others will know it's all bullshit but that's not gonna stop machines from attacking them.
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I think one important thing to note on the 500 years later story is that the cycle was also broken for the machines. The machines are no longer trapped in their cycle of warfare, so even if they come back to fight, chances are that they can lose or win now.
Or you can be an optimist like me and imagine that the war doesn't last long and everyone discovers that the fight is pointless and all become friends and dance in fields of flowers whilst Emil sobs about Kainè in the corner.
Or you can be an optimist like me and imagine that the war doesn't last long and everyone discovers that the fight is pointless and all become friends and dance in fields of flowers whilst Emil sobs about Kainè in the corner.
darkwing-buck
Member
Didn't play the first nier, can someone explain how popola and devola fucked up and led humanity to extinction?
"Technically" they didn't.
In the original game, killing the "shadowlord" or the "original one" caused all Gestalts to go out of control and lead to all replicants relapsing.
Initially the Devola and Popola in that game were guiding the player as a ploy for the shadowlord, but the protagonist's party gets too big for its britches, and so those Devola and Popola try to stop Nier and co from going to kill ol' shadowlord. They fail.
Hence why they are blamed for failing to protect the gestalt project and thus all similar models are condemned for their failures.
(Its amazing how automata makes you feel even more shitty about the events of Nier
)muetimueti
Neo Member
He was? I must have missed the part where you find that out, I thought it were just feelings that always developed naturally. It would make sense to give him that predisposition, but I never saw anything to that effect in the game...
I turned the network features off midway through the game for a short while but then thought to myself "this won't be here just for the heck of it, Taro's probably got a reason to put that there" and reenabled it. I only realized just now that ending E was that very reason, glad I didn't leave it turned off!
I'm slowly reading through the whole thread, now that I've finished the game, and there's a lot of good discussion in there, just wanted to give props. I don't have much to add, I think, but I'd just like to say how deeply I cared for the whole experience. I felt all the gut-punches so hard and the game left me drained emotionally at many places in a way that I don't think any game has ever done. A replay is probably in order, since even just from memory *so many* of 2B's scenes suddenly made a whole different level of sense after the revelation of the final chapter.
I still have yet to play Nier (though I do know pretty much everything that happened) because the copy that was meant to arrive before Automata released (on PC) has unfortunately still yet to show up; but I'm looking forward to that now even more than I was before. After reading how much people loathed the gameplay in Drakengard (which I played this year for the first time and actually enjoyed, believe it or not
), I don't think I have great concerns about that standing in the way of me enjoying Nier.My Automata world guide book also should arrive in like 3 weeks or so, I'm curious to see what's in there and whether it adds anything more than what I know already.
Alright first off, when help arrives and the theme gets a choral fuckin backing.
Didn't delete my save-file because I missed out on all of Emil's stuff. Not sure if I can be bothered getting Ending Y, but at the least I want to check out his home.
I found every fight against Soshi and co. pretty unfun so it was especially anticlimatic fighting them as the last robot boss, otherwise I enjoyed the endings.
Hats off to 9S's VA, easily the best voice-work in the series.
Didn't delete my save-file because I missed out on all of Emil's stuff. Not sure if I can be bothered getting Ending Y, but at the least I want to check out his home.
I found every fight against Soshi and co. pretty unfun so it was especially anticlimatic fighting them as the last robot boss, otherwise I enjoyed the endings.
Hats off to 9S's VA, easily the best voice-work in the series.
Ending Y is a must!Alright first off, when help arrives and the theme gets a choral fuckin backing.
Didn't delete my save-file because I missed out on all of Emil's stuff. Not sure if I can be bothered getting Ending Y, but at the least I want to check out his home.
I found every fight against Soshi and co. pretty unfun so it was especially anticlimatic fighting them as the last robot boss, otherwise I enjoyed the endings.
Hats off to 9S's VA, easily the best voice-work in the series.
Yo is the Mourning track also included in some sidequests, holy shit what!? My first time hearing it is in Ending C on the way to recovering 9S. Wouldn't have minded a more traditional choral track like this used for battles, especially with the male vocals.
But I can't be bothered grinding to get all the weapon upgrades :cc Do I miss much by watching it on Youtube?
Several of them, and it is always goddamn fitting for the quest wrap-up. It can easily be one the earliest heavy hitters beside ending A.
I'd argue that you will always lose something if you don't play it out yourself. The VA work for that fight is fucking on point.
The only other time that track plays in the game (at least with the vocals iirc) is the Amnesia sidequest, which is pretty fitting.
I'm pretty sure it also plays when you've fought and killed the Vengeful Child, the last of the golden enemies, which is more or less an unlisted side quest.
hans_castorp
Member
Maybe if they were anthropomorphic dinosaurs you would have cared you monster.
"The name is Grimoire Weiss. And it is not to be abbreviated"
Liam O'Brien is amazing but 9S' breakdown and descent into madness was portrayed so well. It was especially surprising since Mika from Gundam IBO and Mob from Mob Psycho 100 are the only roles from him that I was familiar with before this game, and they are both very emotionless characters.
Borefest?! What blasphemy O:< Equipped with a motif that has a real sense of weight to it and some great brass lines it's one of my favourite tracks from Okabe as far as battle tracks go.
Excuse the out-of-nowhere reply, I just finished the game and am going through the thread
This post stuck out to me because I see hardly any talk of Drakengard 3's soundtrack.Ah damn it, must have been the side-quests I missed. I just couldn't find the damn Yorha units that were meant to be around the city ruins.
Hmm, that and the music does make it tempting but I'd be getting around to it about a month later. Other priorities and all.
Call me a heretic but the VA work in the original Nier really didn't do much for me. I don't know how to describe it but it just didn't sound quite natural/convincing. For what it's worth I think Jackass is a great example of VA."The name is Grimoire Weiss. And it is not to be abbreviated"
Sanduleakami
Neo Member
Not sure if this has been posted
NieR Automata - Story Analysis [Narrative & Philosophy]
Also......, venture at your own risk.
NieR Automata - Story Analysis [Narrative & Philosophy]
Also......, venture at your own risk.
Radical Edward
Member
2004's Crash seems right up your alley. Check it out.
N° 2048
Member
OH MY GOD This is the girl from the porno. Will watch lol
Bizarre.
Thanks this helped clarify a lot. Not sure about the 500 years later thing. I don't remember that ever being mentioned. But maybe it's because I still have some Emil stuff to do? I didn't even know you could fight him. I just did the Lunar Tear quest.
Another thing, where the hell does THIS CANNOT CONTINUE even play? Did I just not pay enough attention? The only time I ever even heard the phrase was when I was fighting machines in the first Resource unit but Birth of a Wish wasn't the song playing. The machines were just saying it a bit.
It's the part where you find the machine orgy and then fight Adam for the first time. The machines start yelling THIS CANNOT CONTINUE a bunch of times and when you fight Adam, you hear it in the background with Birth of a Wish playing.
You just didn't pay enough attention, the desert boss had the music.
Oh damn you're right. Both times I was there I was too focused on what the fuck I just witnessed lol. In Route A it was the machines fucking and in Route B it was when I noticed the one machine giving oral to another one. I need to play that section again.
Demoskinos
Member
You know... I just noticed that the only character that talks about "emotions being prohibited" is 2B. Not the commander, not even 21O (she's just tsundere).
Makes you think. She was only distant and trying for emotionless because she knew what she had to keep doing
It's exactly that. She obviously cares for him. Wants to try to protect him by being as distant as possible.
Demoskinos
Member
Might just not be for you. Which is fine. I am the same with Persona. I see everyone rave about P4 and I'm just over here shrugging my shoulders at all of it.
I....um...I guess I need to look for this now. You know. For research.
I think the way the game tackles purpose and meaning is pretty ''sad'' if you will.
Route A is actually my favorite of all.
But yeah a lot of the events there gain significance retrospectively
Mr. Smiley
Member
So I wager Emil stops having rare materials in his shop when you're close to fully upgrading all weapons?