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-Logic virus. How the hell does this work? It seems to come and go as pleased? Why was 9S infected at the end? Why did it infect the bunker? Why did it infect the YoRHa squad at the start of Route C? Why did it infect the other machines at random (like the cultists or Pascal's village)?
It just seemed to come and go, and yet it was introduced more logically (pardon the pun) when 9S was infected in Route A as he was hacking the machines in that case.

- He put 2B's arm onto himself, so he got infected because she already was. It infected the bunker because that was the whole point of Project YoRHa. They allow the androids to get to a point where they're able to score a decisive victory against the machines, but self-sabotage themselves by having the Bunker have a backdoor that the machines put the logic virus through. The YoRHa squad was connected to their network, so they all got infected. If you recall, 9S didn't sync up, so he was saved. And he got halfway done with 2B, which is why it took longer for her to be infected.

As for the machines, they got infected because... actually I sort of forget. Think it had to do with Eve being killed, as well as the appearance of the towers.

-What exactly are the mechanics of how the deeper revelations of Project YoRHa are supposed to work?
If the base is meant to be attacked after so long, is this on a repeating cycle, and if so, how is the YoRHa base repopulated then? Or does this imply that the cycle hinted at in Ending E did indeed keep continuing?
Or has it not actually happened before, and this the first time that the bunker was attacked?

So to start off, this whole machine war is a part of the loop of endless wars that the machines and androids have been fighting. Each loop they presumably do something different to self-sabotage one another. This time, their method of self-sabotage was Project YoRHa. So this is their first time doing this specific plan. And no, we do not know who came up with Project YoRHa.

So basically, the androids had this prime opportunity to beat the machines, but they self-sabotaged themselves through the project, just like they've done in the past. As for the machine side of things, they have nothing to do with Project YoRHa other than being aware of it. However, in their pursuit to evolve even further, they more or less refuse to destroy the androids. So both sides basically need each other.

-How many times did 2B kill 9S? Was she aware of this element of her programming?

We don't know how many times she has killed 9S. It's been several times though...

She is aware. Remember her opening line at the beginning of the game of wanting to kill god? Remember how she balled up her fist shortly after finding out 9S lost his memories after the factory battle? Remember her saying "It always ends like this..." after killing 9S at the end of Route A/B? Remember her saying "emotions are prohibited, yet only 2B actually follows this mantra?" And so on. She is fully aware of her position, and she absolutely hates her role in having to kill 9S. She hates to the point where him dying by other means still fucking sucks for her, because she doesn't like him losing his memories, as it effectively restarts their entire relationship.

-How did humanity come to be wiped out?

Play the first game. ;D

-How did the machines come to learn of Project YoRHa's deeper meanings? Was this part of it's learnings giving birth to N2?

I dunno when exactly they learned it, but they revealed that they knew to A2. You'll see this when you read the info off of the terminal that Anemone gives A2 access to.

-Why was Emil hiding inside a machine when he was introduced?

*shrugs

 

[Baalzebup]

Anyway, questions:

-Logic virus. How the hell does this work? It seems to come and go as pleased? Why was 9S infected at the end? Why did it infect the bunker? Why did it infect the YoRHa squad at the start of Route C? Why did it infect the other machines at random (like the cultists or Pascal's village)?
It just seemed to come and go, and yet it was introduced more logically (pardon the pun) when 9S was infected in Route A as he was hacking the machines in that case.



-What exactly are the mechanics of how the deeper revelations of Project YoRHa are supposed to work?
If the base is meant to be attacked after so long, is this on a repeating cycle, and if so, how is the YoRHa base repopulated then? Or does this imply that the cycle hinted at in Ending E did indeed keep continuing?
Or has it not actually happened before, and this the first time that the bunker was attacked?

-How many times did 2B kill 9S? Was she aware of this element of her programming?

-How did humanity come to be wiped out?

-How did the machines come to learn of Project YoRHa's deeper meanings? Was this part of it's learnings giving birth to N2?

-Why was Emil hiding inside a machine when he was introduced?

Keep in mind with these questions that I haven't played the first Nier, and understand some passing references to Gestalt etc.

The whole YoRHa network got hit with the virus when the shadowy authority behind the project initiated their endgame, namely the destruction of YoRHa. It took shape in opening a backdoor to the whole YoRHa network, which allowed the Machine Collective to hack their systems and insert the logic virus dormant into their systems. This is the weird stuff that 9S detects when he is fucking around in the YoRHa system. He blocks his own sync with the system, which is why he is unaffected by the virus, and at least partially blocks that of 2B as well. Vast majority of YoRHa members do sync with the mainframe and thus get hit with the still dormant virus. In route C, 9S contracts it from the hand he took from one of the 2B/E models he fought. His hacking only slowed it down in the end. The machines in the network getting hit with it is seemingly just a side-effect of the admin, Eve, going absolutely kill-crazy. The vector of infection for the machines in Pascals village is one of the bigger mysteries, but there are theories that they aren't *really* disconnected from the network, since their supposedly rogue activity is very much part of the diversity plan that the N2 entities are driving within the Machine Collective.

There is no cycle going on with project YoRHa. It was established with certain goals in mind, namely to a) establish the lie of the human survivors and the Council of Humanity to create a 'god' for the android population, a flag to rally around as their morale had been low for the lack of a cause to fight and die for, and b) get R&D data to create even more advanced androids for further war purposes. The war has been going on for quite a while and this is just the most recent ploy from whomever is the highest authority among the androids, the people with the SS-security clearance.

And yes, 2B is fully aware of her role and intended purpose. This is exactly why her relationship with 9S causes her so much pain. We have no indication of how many times 9S has been killed/reset.

Humans died out due to the failure of Project Gestalt, which is what the first NieR is about.

The machines had already managed to infiltrate a good portion of the androids systems before the YoRHa backdoor opened and succeeded in copying all kinds of data from there. You get a full list of the stuff they got their hands on in the Library as A2. You also get to know that there were portions they couldn't access.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Thanks very much for the info guys.

Has this cycle been perpetuated by both the machines and the androids, or just one faction? Seems to me that it's both.

Also I'm mopping up the extra endings just now and I noticed in the prologue that one of the jets in the prologue is 7E, yet the B models where secretly E models, no?
It's probably nothing to be fair.

 

[Baalzebup]

Thanks very much for the info guys.

Has this cycle been perpetuated by both the machines and the androids, or just one faction? Seems to me that it's both.

Also I'm mopping up the extra endings just now and I noticed in the prologue that one of the jets in the prologue is 7E, yet the B models where secretly E models, no?
It's probably nothing to be fair.

2E is posing as a B-model, some others may or may not be. The Amnesia quest had one posing as a normal resistance android after all. 2B is just likely aware of who and what 7E is, so you see her proper model name. Her presence on the mission is likely due to the YoRHa member who intends to defect.

And both sides are definitely perpetuating the war, as noted by Jackass in the Machine Research Report. Neither side wants to deal the killing blow as it would rob them from their purpose, so both sides intentionally set themselves to take a fall if victory seems inevitable.

 

[L.O.R.D]

2B:"9S,come here,don't be cry baby"

9S:"yes mom"

 

[L.O.R.D]

- He put 2B's arm onto himself, so he got infected because she already was. It infected the bunker because that was the whole point of Project YoRHa. They allow the androids to get to a point where they're able to score a decisive victory against the machines, but self-sabotage themselves by having the Bunker have a backdoor that the machines put the logic virus through. The YoRHa squad was connected to their network, so they all got infected. If you recall, 9S didn't sync up, so he was saved. And he got halfway done with 2B, which is why it took longer for her to be infected.

question,who made YoRHa? and why they do this? was it timed or when they beat Eve? how they know about Eve?

 

[Bowlie]

Who made YoRHa?

Some androids, we don't know them.

Why they do this?

Because the humans are dead. Androids are programmed to fight *for* them, and treat them like ancient gods; if they came to learn that their creators are no more, they would lose morale and have no reason to exist.

So those aforementioned androids keep the lie going, giving them a reason to stay alive and also defeat their enemies.

Was it timed?

It had nothing to do with Eve specifically, but when they saw that the machine leaders were dead, and they were about to win the war, they opened the backdoor in the Bunker so every YoRHa android could be infected.

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

Been working on getting 100% in the game and the boss battle with

Spoiler

Emil ]as you try to steal from him

again is painful.

Spoiler

"So power is the only thing that matters in this world... Go ahead. Do whatever you want..."

Spoiler

The real boss fight against him is going to be so much worse

.

A follow up to this, I just noticed Emil's was added to my unit data after this fight. His entry reads:

This mysterious creature emerged from inside of a machine lifeform and set up a shop after obtaining a new body. While he calls himself Emil, his true identity is a mystery. Once he discovered who had been stealing from his room, he was incited to fight. But after being defeated, he was reduced to tears by the realization that only power matters in this world.

T . T

 

[L.O.R.D]

Was it timed?

It had nothing to do with Eve specifically, but when they saw that the machine leaders were dead, and they were about to win the war, they opened the backdoor in the Bunker so every YoRHa android could be infected.

the problem is,Eve was just born,he was not the leader
the machine made Adam and made him the leader?
i still don't get it.
why not create several Adams?

 

[Baalzebup]

the problem is,Eve was just born,he was not the leader
the machine made Adam and made him the leader?
i still don't get it.
why not create several Adams?

Because the Machines are experimenting with various evolution paths for themselves, Adam & Even being just one facet of them. They want different kinds of variables, not multiples of the same.

 

[Bowlie]

the problem is,Eve was just born,he was not the leader
the machine made Adam and made him the leader?
i still don't get it.
why not create several Adams?

Over and over you see machines emulating humans, and those two machines were called Adam and Eve. There couldn't be a third machine with them.

 

[Haly]

I don't think 2B knew everything about the true nature of YoRHa. Did I miss something to indicate she does? She seemed genuinely surprised at certain revelations.

I think she knew that 9S has to be killed for some reason, and gets the order from Command now and then, but she doesn't know all the way up to humanity being extinct already. I think in the end only the Commander and 9S were privy to that knowledge, and eventually A2 and N2.

question,who made YoRHa? and why they do this? was it timed or when they beat Eve? how they know about Eve?

YoRHa predates Adam and Eve over some unspecific amount of time. They (whatever counts as the highest level of government for androids) made YoRHa because the morale of androids on Earth were failing after it eventually leaked out that humanity has been wiped out. YoRHa is a conspiracy meant to inspire morale in androids. The rumor of humans on the moon was spread through the ranks, new androids were phased in and old ones phased out. The new ones think humans were on the moon all along. The final part of YoRHa was the "sacrifice" of the Bunker to complete the fiction and delete all records to the contrary. I think it was timed, and it happening soon after Eve's death is just a coincidence.

 

[Ferrio]

I don't think 2B knew everything about the true nature of YoRHa. Did I miss something to indicate she does? She seemed genuinely surprised at certain revelations.

I think she knew that 9S has to be killed for some reason, and gets the order from Command now and then, but she doesn't know all the way up to humanity being extinct already. I think in the end only the Commander and 9S were privy to that knowledge, and eventually A2 and N2.

No, 2B knew humans are no more. Look at her reaction to 9S saluting her with "Glory to Mankind". She knows she's a 2E model too.

 

[Haly]

No, 2B knew humans are no more. Look at her reaction to 9S saluting her with "Glory to Mankind". She knows she's a 2E model too.

When she deployed in the beginning she was with 7E before all her squad was shot down. Are we to assume all E models know about the moon? Because it doesn't make sense that 2B would be the only hidden E model while 7E can operate openly. There was allusion to another E model that was involved in one of the quests.

No, I feel it's something specific to 9S, and maybe he's uncovered the "truth" multiple times already so Command had to doubly mask 2B's function as 9S' personal "jailor".

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

No, 2B knew humans are no more. Look at her reaction to 9S saluting her with "Glory to Mankind". She knows she's a 2E model too.

I took that reaction as because, like one of the androids in the command room, she is resentful of suffering* for humanity.

*9S losing his memory

 

[Ferrio]

When she deployed in the beginning she was with 7E before all her squad was shot down. Are we to assume all E models know about the moon? Because it doesn't make sense that 2B would be the only hidden E model while 7E can operate openly. There was allusion to another E model that was involved in one of the quests.

No, I feel it's something specific to 9S, and maybe he's uncovered the "truth" multiple times already so Command had to doubly mask 2B's function as 9S' personal "jailor".

All E models know. Hence why the story made sure 9S didn't tell her.

 

[Haly]

All E models know.

But why is 2B the only one with a code name? Or do none of the S models know of the E models?

EDIT: Okay. One of these days I need to replay Nier:A from start to finish and analyze EVERYTHING.

 

[Antiwhippy]

But why is 2B the only one with a code name? Or do none of the S models know of the E models?

I don't think 2B knows about humanity being gone, but I think taking that designation is more about because she was assigned to 9S. I don't think she's the only E model with a code name, as we can see with the E model disguised as resistance, it's more that they're normal combat androids until they get assigned an execution task.

Who knows even if the androids, other than the command and the E models themselves, knew about the real purpose of the E models.

 

[Sera O]

When she deployed in the beginning she was with 7E before all her squad was shot down. Are we to assume all E models know about the moon? Because it doesn't make sense that 2B would be the only hidden E model while 7E can operate openly. There was allusion to another E model that was involved in one of the quests.

No, I feel it's something specific to 9S, and maybe he's uncovered the "truth" multiple times already so Command had to doubly mask 2B's function as 9S' personal "jailor".

I believe the other E models aren't involved in long-term shadowing like 2B and the amnesia sidequest E model seems to be. They actually kill their targets, but they never fully terminate 9S because he's too big of an investment to write off completely - they just wipe him and hope for the best. 9S has probably been monitored since his 'birth.' They know his specs, the curiosity he has been programmed with, and his independent mode of operating that could get him into dangerous information. It's why he's an asset, but it's also why they know they need him watched all the time.

I am inclined to think that 2B knows about the moon, maybe only because she needs it in order to know when 9S shows signs of knowing it too, but more likely because 9S has actually told her in the past like he seemed to want to at the start of route B. I don't think all E models are privy to that info.

As for 7E being identified in the beginning, I think we only know that because we are operating from 2B's perspective and she knew about it.

 

[Ferrio]

Either 2B knew or she doesn't have free will when she executes 9S when he finds the truth. The latter doesn't fit with the story.

 

[Haly]

Either 2B knew or she doesn't have free will when she executes 9S when he finds the truth. The latter doesn't fit with the story.

I think she places duty above desire, I always felt this to be a really consistent part of her character, either before or after I learned she was meant to kill 9S. Before because she always tried to keep their interactions business-like, to avoid forming attachments. Afterwards because we learn she wants to distance herself from 9S to make her job, which she has accepted, more bearable.

 

[Antiwhippy]

I don't think it's that she doesn't free will, it's that she's forced to do it if she wants to remain close to him, or she'll get assigned off or even scrapped.

Cruel blood oath:

I finally found my place in life. A place where I am as close as possible, yet eternally distant.

It's just a really shitty situation all around.

 

[Ferrio]

I think she places duty above desire, I always felt this to be a really consistent part of her character, either before or after I learned she was meant to kill 9S.

I don't buy it, there's way too many gotchas. Like it would have to assume that 9s never managed to tell her any of the times, or she some reason didn't believe him.

It's much simpler and make more sense that she's a special unit privy to that info.

 

[Haly]

I don't buy it, there's way too many gotchas. Like it would have to assume that 9s never managed to tell her any of the times, or she some reason didn't believe him.

It's much simpler and make more sense that she's a special unit privy to that info.

I do agree Occam's Razor supports your case. So, 2B alone is special out of all the YoRHa, or all E models are only aware of each other and Command.

There's some scenes in the game that might contradict this but my memory is fuzzy and I don't know how to go look for them. That'll have to wait for the replay I think.

 

[Antiwhippy]

But yeah, actually, how would she know at what stage she needs to wipe him if she doesn't know the information in the first place?

 

[Ferrio]

Just watch the glory to Mankind salute. She's really hesitant to do it. Sure never talks about the humanity transmissions either, even when 9s brings them up.


Also when she's dying the transmission come up briefly as a "haha your dying for a lie".

 

[Renewed]

That reminds me, there was a hacking section in Route C where you hear the Commander giving 2B her orders. Having her go by 2B for the time, and to monitor the situation and dispatch ___ if necessary. I assume it meant 9S. I need to find it, one sec

 

[Ferrio]

That reminds me, there was a hacking section in Route C where you hear the Commander giving 2B her orders. Having her go by 2B for the time, and to monitor the situation and dispatch ___ if necessary. I assume it meant 9S. I need to find it, one sec

Yes, it's during the part when A2 gets hacked by the worm in the desert.

 

[Renewed]

Yes, it's during the part when A2 gets hacked by the worm in the desert.

aha yup that was it, I blanked the first time through and missed it so I only caught on the next run.

 

[Antiwhippy]

That worm boss was such a fucking Pain in the ass that i didn't remember much from it.

 

[Baalzebup]

That reminds me, there was a hacking section in Route C where you hear the Commander giving 2B her orders. Having her go by 2B for the time, and to monitor the situation and dispatch ___ if necessary. I assume it meant 9S. I need to find it, one sec

Yup, that is a major part of why I think 2B knows about humanity being gone. She is given the framework she is to work with and she clearly doesn't need to wait for a separate kill order to deal with 9S, given her gentle strangulation kill at the end of A/B yet needing 9S to hack her IFF to be able to fight the infected YoRHa.

 

[Anteater]

THANKS FRIENDO

fucking hell emil

(using his weapon and it screams "Thanks Friendo" even after he's gone -__-)

 

[Sera O]

Yup, that is a major part of why I think 2B knows about humanity being gone. She is given the framework she is to work with and she clearly doesn't need to wait for a separate kill order to deal with 9S, given her gentle strangulation kill at the end of A/B yet needing 9S to hack her IFF to be able to fight the infected YoRHa.

Yes absolutely. Also there is reference to how the E models were based on A2 in large part because she displayed unusual abilities when it came to decision-making which implies some ability to make judgement calls is needed. That makes me think she must have that information, or at least info that would allow her to infer it easily. Clearly the barrier preventing her from harming other units does not apply to him so she has been given the ability to kill him when she judges he's a threat.

Her lines at the very beginning sound like she is resigned to the futility, and her reactions or lack thereof to anything from the council implied to me that she is keeping a tight lid on her knowledge that everything is rotten.

I figured humanity was done from the beginning of the game just from Nier, and the moon messages were such old-time propaganda. But it was her and 9S' reactions to things that made me more certain she knew something but he was still putting things together. I mean most people would cringe a bit with a slogan of Glory to Mankind, and as soon as he commented on how stiff the messages were I was like oh this is gonna get good...

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Interesting image for that 1,000,000 sales stream...

Spoiler

i still think this is just a joke like the pendant in dark souls and its nothing

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Pod 042 is Saito in the credits sequence, and the helpers are all of Taro's fans, collectively shouting out our wish to make Nier: Automata a reality. ThinkingEmoji

 

[Astrael]

Interesting image for that 1,000,000 sales stream...

Spoiler

i still think this is just a joke like the pendant in dark souls and its nothing

Maybe the machine wasn't lying when he said we'd find the truth someday!

Personally though, I do feel like if they were a joke they'd be in slightly more obvious places, and not three of them. Their placements all sort of make sense for potentially adding extra areas off the beaten path, if time/budget allows.

 

[Haly]

I assume it's DLC.

 

[spiritfox]

I kinda want the elevators to not result in anything just for the trolling.

 

[Haly]

I kinda want the elevators to not result in anything just for the trolling.

Buy new DLC
Go to Elevator.
It's unlocked.
Ride down.
It's fucking nothing.

Based Taro showing us the futility of modern consumerism.

 

[spiritfox]

Buy new DLC
Go to Elevator.
It's unlocked.
Ride down.
It's fucking nothing.

Based Taro showing us the futility of modern consumerism.

Would pay $60 for.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Buy new DLC
Go to Elevator.
It's unlocked.
Ride down.
It's fucking nothing.

Based Taro showing us the futility of modern consumerism.

No more like.

Buy New DLC.

Go to elevator.

Robot apologises again and explodes in to the DLC item.

Still can't ride down.

 

[Astrael]

Buy new DLC
Go to Elevator.
It's unlocked.
Ride down.
It's fucking nothing.

Based Taro showing us the futility of modern consumerism.

I wouldn't even be mad. Just another chance to support the game.

 

[Hektor]

Buy new DLC
Go to Elevator.
It's unlocked.
Ride down.
It's fucking nothing.

Based Taro showing us the futility of modern consumerism.

I'd be equally pissed and amazed

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Oh no.

The Eva references...
The elevators...
We should have seen this coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3IK8qTGL_I

 

[Hektor]

Oh no.

The Eva references...
The elevators...
We should have seen this coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3IK8qTGL_I

Does that mean we get a scene 9S and 2B are making out?

 

[Haly]

We get a scene where 9S masturbates over 2B's lifeless body, climaxes, then says "I'm so fucked up".

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Does that mean we get a scene 9S and 2B are making out?

2B is Rei, so that means we'll get a scene where they are naked and also melting into each other's pelvises. That's kind of like making out.

We get a scene where 9S masturbates over 2B's lifeless body, climaxes, then says "I'm so fucked up".

Let's be honest, that would not be outside of route C 9S' wheelhouse.

 

[Haly]

9S has had a hard life.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Who knows what he did once he attached 2B's arm onto himself?

 

[Haly]

Unfortunately pixiv is too busy drawing bad art of 2B to really explore the depths of 9S' depravity and suffering.

A part of me felt, after all was said and done, that Nier: Automata was really 9S' story.