NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread

Did they explain who or what was behind the "restart" of the cycle that destroyed the bunker and took out all of the YoRHa units? I assume it happened because the commander found out the truth since 9S kept dying over and over?
 
Has anyone deciphered the weird writing?

I own both the OST and the World Guide for Automata, and this language appears in both. Just numbers and single letters. I was just looking through the book, and the page for the red girl has that same kind of writing. The three pages following that one show images that are distorted, like when system failure happens in Automata, and all three pages have that text. Those three pages would serve no other purpose if the code can't be cracked, so it must be readable somehow.
 
Jinaar said:
I'm going to reach a lot here, so don't throw too many punches, but I get too many Castlevania Symphony of the Night vibes playing in the Forest Kingdom.

From entering from the forest with the drawbridge into the courtyard into the castle. The 2D layout. Some locations just giving me flashbacks to other locations like right in the beginning when you meet Death and he jacks your stuff. Heck the arches in the background are even there! *reachinggggg*

And maybe I am completely wrong but I just feel pretty confident due to the fact NIER had so many call backs to other types of gametypes/inspiration. We already see it in NIER AUTOMATA drawing from bullet time shooters, the MACROSS Valkyrie design for their ships, Kaiju battles in the ocean and here I believe some Castlevania inspiration.

CV:SOTN



N:A
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That section was definitely Castlevania-inspired, and SOTN is probably the most famous CV, so I think it's a safe bet.
 
Aizo said:
Has anyone deciphered the weird writing?

I own both the OST and the World Guide for Automata, and this language appears in both. Just numbers and single letters. I was just looking through the book, and the page for the red girl has that same kind of writing. The three pages following that one show images that are distorted, like when system failure happens in Automata, and all three pages have that text. Those three pages would serve no other purpose if the code can't be cracked, so it must be readable somehow.
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The angelic writing on the resource towers in C path? I think that's Agrippa's Celestial alphabet.
 
Edvardelis said:
Did they explain who or what was behind the "restart" of the cycle that destroyed the bunker and took out all of the YoRHa units? I assume it happened because the commander found out the truth since 9S kept dying over and over?
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It's just part of what Project YoRHa is. The wars are in a constant ebb and flow where neither side ever has the upper hand for too long and stalemate is the intended result, because the machines need something to fight and the android command (higher up than the titular Commander) knows they're fighting on behalf of an extinct species. They opened the backdoor and destroyed the bunker because YoRHa was too close to winning.

9S is part of the plan, but his death is just forestalling the inevitable. He's killed to keep from knowing too much at any one time.
 
VRMN said:
It's just part of what Project YoRHa is. The wars are in a constant ebb and flow where neither side ever has the upper hand for too long and stalemate is the intended result, because the machines need something to fight and the android command (higher up than the titular Commander) knows they're fighting on behalf of an extinct species. They opened the backdoor and destroyed the bunker because YoRHa was too close to winning.

9S is part of the plan, but his death is just forestalling the inevitable. He's killed to keep from knowing too much at any one time.
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Part of the plan too was for scanners like 9S to gather more data so they can incorporate it into the next generation of androids.
 
I finally got my soundtrack CD set today (With HACKING TRACKS!! WithOUT a markup!!!!! :D) and I'm having serious emotional reactions to listening to all of this.

I got to Emil -Despair- and oh my God, is this the track that plays in the Emil fights? I never went to fight him because how could you fight Emil and oh man, this is just heartbreaking.
 
I am so glad I gave this game a shot. Great combat, great characters, great music, and a great use of games as a storytelling medium. Finished the game last night, got Endings A-E. The last bit at the end with the credits definitely raised my opinion of this game, with the network stuff. I was ready to stop playing it but then I received help...and the music that followed...damn. Too good. EARN YOUR HAPPY ENDING. I feel like I have more thoughts on this game but I need time to parse those out.
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
I got to Emil -Despair- and oh my God, is this the track that plays in the Emil fights? I never went to fight him because how could you fight Emil and oh man, this is just heartbreaking.
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It is *more* heartbreaking when you fight the 'superboss' Emil in the desert. The voicework in that fight is amazing. It cuts deep.
 
when you think you ended Emil's despair after thousands of years, it's a good thing

I loved it

I mean..

just fight him you know you want to
 
Hektor said:
But there are still around 85,943,250 Emils left suffering
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i didn't think of that lmao, dude continue living a hard life

but I hope i'll keep getting to listen to his "thanks friendo" voice for centuries if that's the case

edit: actually every time i hear that it hurts me

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I finished Ending E with almost-95% Quest completion and only like 80-ish% weapons acquisition before even thinking of stepping up on Emil's turf with aggressive intent.

I'm about to start my new run with the English voice dub, I feel like I'd be Genocide-y if I went for it though...

...

...

That song tho
 
Baalzebup said:
It is *more* heartbreaking when you fight the 'superboss' Emil in the desert. The voicework in that fight is amazing. It cuts deep.
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Yeah, I didn't fight him myself but watched a video (and I also played and loved the first Nier) and that was probably the best ending of Nier Automata for me actually. Best in that Yoko Taro, dark, sad and hopeless way. :(
 
Kiriku said:
Yeah, I didn't fight him myself but watched a video (and I also played and loved the first Nier) and that was probably the best ending of Nier Automata for me actually. Best in that Yoko Taro, dark, sad and hopeless way. :(
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when emil
dropped the kaine name i shred a tear :<
 
Isaac Otherworld said:
I've been listening. There have been a number of JRPG's that have had these pop power ballads like FF13's My Hands and I've just never really cared for them. But Weight of the World hits all the right notes and I don't really know why it resonates with me so much more than other similar songs.

End of the Unknown (Fight theme with Adam and Eve in the ship) is absolutely hilarious because it stands out so much from everything else in the game.
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You know at first I did not like that song. I though it was merely ok on a soundtrack that could only be described as incredible. I felt it lacked subtlety and lyrics a bit too "on the nose." Then I got ending E and man changed my whole perspective on it. I really like it now.

Aizo said:
Has anyone deciphered the weird writing?

I own both the OST and the World Guide for Automata, and this language appears in both. Just numbers and single letters. I was just looking through the book, and the page for the red girl has that same kind of writing. The three pages following that one show images that are distorted, like when system failure happens in Automata, and all three pages have that text. Those three pages would serve no other purpose if the code can't be cracked, so it must be readable somehow.
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Someone was translating it but stopped because they did not want to be spoiled. Knowing Taro he hid some good stuff in there I bet.
Anteater said:
when you think you ended Emil's despair after thousands of years, it's a good thing

I loved it

I mean..

just fight him you know you want to
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He had it coming.had it coming.had it coming.
 
EdmondD said:
You know at first I did not like that song. I though it was merely ok on a soundtrack that could only be described as incredible. I felt it lacked subtlety and lyrics a bit too "on the nose." Then I got ending E and man changed my whole perspective on it. I really like it now.
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That was my experience, too.

Ending A- "Man, this song is bland as hell."
Ending B- "Ugh, they used that shitty song again? What a letdown."
Ending C- "Well, I guess it's pretty good."
Ending D/E- "BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT I'M ONLY ONE GIRLLLLLLL"
 
This game is still destroying my life lmao

I'm here playing Persona 5 and everytime the game wants me to feel sad for somebody I'm just laughing like "dude that's nothing"

Can I delete my memory instead of my save data yoko taro pls
 
For anyone looking to hear others talk about the game, I'm about halfway through this podcast (featuring our own GAF mod Xander Cage) and it's been great so far. Just a really interesting discussion by the four hosts about the game as a whole, without having to dance around spoilers or anything.
 
I read up through some opinions and it seems 9S wasn't designed to use a sword but because of how advanced he was he bypassed that restriction and learn to use a sword.
 
a very cute dog said:
The angelic writing on the resource towers in C path? I think that's Agrippa's Celestial alphabet.
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It is not that. Just roman letters, Arabic numbers, and random katakana saying stuff like &#12479;&#12479;&#12459;&#12452;&#12484;&#12485;&#12465;&#12523; (the fight continues).
 
Man, the credits sequence for the E ending put the biggest smile on my face. So clever and positive, I couldn't help but take the game up on its offer to help another player, even though I was planning to tackle some of the sidequests afterwards.
 
kai3345 said:
For anyone looking to hear others talk about the game, I'm about halfway through this podcast (featuring our own GAF mod Xander Cage) and it's been great so far. Just a really interesting discussion by the four hosts about the game as a whole, without having to dance around spoilers or anything.
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Great discussions, though I'd say that 2B pretty clearly loves 9S just from cruel blood oath and her final message.
 
kai3345 said:
For anyone looking to hear others talk about the game, I'm about halfway through this podcast (featuring our own GAF mod Xander Cage) and it's been great so far. Just a really interesting discussion by the four hosts about the game as a whole, without having to dance around spoilers or anything.
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Just listened to this. I enjoyed it. These guys know their stuff.
Aizo said:
It is not that. Just roman letters, Arabic numbers, and random katakana saying stuff like &#12479;&#12479;&#12459;&#12452;&#12484;&#12485;&#12465;&#12523; (the fight continues).
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Found the post that gaffer made trying to translate some of that stuff:
Dunan said:
So I've got this artbook and just can't resist deciphering he rest of the code hidden in it, even if it might mean spoiling some of the game, because the thrill of being The First To Read It outweighs that.

And fortunately without context it doesn't feel like anything is spoiled -- though I may feel differently when I get to the end of the game.

At the very end of the artbook there are what looks like those Magic Eye things that were popular a decade or so ago (someone tell me if anything is hidden in them; I don't have the stereo vision to see Magic Eye). Along with that is a bunch of
hexadecimal numbers. Reading that as UTF-8, we get :


&#12527;&#12479;&#12471;&#12479;&#12481;&#12495;&#12481;&#12452;&#12469;&#12463;&#12520;&#12527;&#12452;&#12471;&#12459;&#12471;&#12527;&#12479;&#12471;&#12479;&#12481;&#12495;&#12479;&#12473;&#12454;&#12487;&#12512;&#12486;&#12461;&#12487;&#12450;&#12523;&#12450;&#12531;&#12489;&#12525;&#12452;&#12489;&#12530;&#12507;&#12525;&#12508;&#12473;&#12510;&#12487;&#12527;&#12479;&#12471;&#12479;&#12481;&#12495;&#12479;&#12479;&#12459;&#12452;&#12484;&#12485;&#12465;&#12523;

&#12458;&#12525;&#12459;&#12490;&#12522;&#12471;&#12450;&#12531;&#12489;&#12525;&#12452;&#12489;&#12458;&#12525;&#12459;&#12490;&#12522;&#12471;&#12456;&#12452;&#12522;&#12450;&#12531;&#12458;&#12525;&#12459;&#12490;&#12522;&#12471;&#12472;&#12531;&#12523;&#12452;&#12520;

&#12527;&#12479;&#12471;&#12479;&#12481;&#12495;&#12458;&#12458;&#12476;&#12452;&#12487;&#12450;&#12523;&#12488;&#12489;&#12454;&#12472;&#12491;&#12498;&#12488;&#12484;&#12487;&#12450;&#12523;&#12527;&#12479;&#12471;&#12479;&#12481;&#12495;&#12456;&#12452;&#12456;&#12531;&#12494;&#12475;&#12452;&#12513;&#12452;&#12487;&#12450;&#12523;

This says (and boy does Japanese written in all katakana look creepy sometimes):

we are small and weak we will continue to fight the numerous and powerful androids until they are destroyed

foolish androids foolish aliens foolish humans

we are legion and at the same time we are one we are eternal life

Man, I love Nier. They sure do know how to hide secret stuff!
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Antiwhippy said:
Great discussions, though I'd say that 2B pretty clearly loves 9S just from cruel blood oath and her final message.
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In addition to her final message, the blatantly sexual imagery and all of the Eva references make it clear that 2B loves 9S, but I will point out that CBO is 9S' weapon, the pronouns are gender neutral in Japanese, and 2B is more likely to be described as mysterious. It could fit either character, but there is more evidence in favor of it being 9S speaking.

How About No said:
Its the "Go Tell Aunt Rhody" of this generation IMO
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But is it the Dark Souls of video game songs?
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
In addition to her final message, the blatantly sexual imagery and all of the Eva references make it clear that 2B loves 9S, but I will point out that CBO is 9S' weapon, the pronouns are gender neutral in Japanese, and 2B is more likely to be described as mysterious. It could fit either character, but there is more evidence in favor of it being 9S speaking.
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What Eva references? And I didn't take her sitting on top of him as a sign that she loves him, it was just... her sitting on top of him.

Even so, it'd be more sexual attraction than love.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
In addition to her final message, the blatantly sexual imagery and all of the Eva references make it clear that 2B loves 9S, but I will point out that CBO is 9S' weapon, the pronouns are gender neutral in Japanese, and 2B is more likely to be described as mysterious. It could fit either character, but there is more evidence in favor of it being 9S speaking.
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Eh, it doesn't really make sense for it to be from 9S's perspective though?
 
"But even when by their side, their feelings were a mystery. It was painful not to know what they were thinking. So painful."

Makes more sense coming from 9S than 2B.
 
Bowlie said:
What Eva references? And I didn't take her sitting on top of him as a sign that she loves him, it was just... her sitting on top of him.

Even so, it'd be more sexual attraction than love.
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A number of scenes in the game are strongly evocative of EoE, including that scene - especially in Route B when you have Spooky Ghost Voyeur observing the whole thing. And 2B gets on top of him, they stare into each other's eyes, she strokes his cheek, then she pushes him down, and they moan together for a minute. The sexual imagery would be comically overt if it wasn't so tragic.

When you then include the context of Taro's last "love scene" - Kaine beating the shit out of Nier - the evidence is stacked heavily in favor of 2B being romantically attracted to 9S.

Antiwhippy said:
Eh, it doesn't really make sense for it to be from 9S's perspective though?
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How so?
 
Why, when talking about 2b being in love with 9s do some just ignore them straight up planning a date? Smh that on its own is sooo blatant you would have to bend yourself over backwards twice not to see it.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
A number of scenes in the game are strongly evocative of EoE, including that scene - especially in Route B when you have Spooky Ghost Voyeur observing the whole thing. And 2B gets on top of him, they stare into each other's eyes, she strokes his cheek, then she pushes him down, and they moan together for a minute. The sexual imagery would be comically overt if it wasn't so tragic.
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Oh, Evangelion. I thought you were talking about the biblical character, and I was like "but Eve in the game has nothing to do with 2B", haha.

I never watched that anime, I wouldn't know~
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
A number of scenes in the game are strongly evocative of EoE, including that scene - especially in Route B when you have Spooky Ghost Voyeur observing the whole thing. And 2B gets on top of him, they stare into each other's eyes, she strokes his cheek, then she pushes him down, and they moan together for a minute. The sexual imagery would be comically overt if it wasn't so tragic.

When you then include the context of Taro's last "love scene" - Kaine beating the shit out of Nier - the evidence is stacked heavily in favor of 2B being romantically attracted to 9S.


How so?
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The last part especially. Unless it's about 9s accepting being brainwiped to be close to 2e which if so then, huh.
 
Antiwhippy said:
The last part especially. Unless it's about 9s accepting being brainstorm to be close to 2e which if so then, huh.
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That last part definitely sounds more like 2B speaking, but as you said, it can be seen as 9S accepting his role, and I don't think it's enough to overcome the opposing evidence.

Now, if Taro were to reveal that CBO was originally 2B's sword that she gifted to him at some point, that would be pretty neat.
 
I wonder if Yoko Taro would consider doing NieR 3 as a single ending game? I've only played the NieR games, so don't know if Drakengard games have single endings, but I'd like to see how Taro would pull it off in NieR.
 
Exentryk said:
I wonder if Yoko Taro would consider doing NieR 3 as a single ending game? I've only played the NieR games, so don't know if Drakengard games have single endings, but I'd like to see how Taro would pull it off in NieR.
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I can't vouch for Drakengard 2, but the others all have multiple endings. The first game already established the ending subtitles with the highlighted letter of the Route completed. Then, Drakengard 3 fully embraces the concept of branching timelines and explains it in-game with Accord. I think Yoko Taro really enjoys the idea that a single change in a given story can create a drastically different outcome, and all these stories happen simultaneously.

In any case, I feel like the multiple endings demonstrate that the path to saving humanity is extremely fragile and no one knows exactly the right way to move forward, not even these observers. The best they can do is seal off paths that are absolutely hopeless. If Drakengard 3 is any indication though, the NieR timeline (itself branched off from one ending of Drakengard) hasn't been completely abandoned yet.
 
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