This is giving me MGS2 vibes.
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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Oh boy.
Hopefully you can keep your soul intact.
Told you not to expect too much from this game
Rickenslacker
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also making me think of that shinji asuka scene too
edit: haha dammit that was already brought up right at the end of the last page
Ugh, just finished C, D and E yesterday as well. How can I say this... If you expect something to be the best thing ever, and it delivers, it's hard to be blown away.
My expactations were too high and the game still delivers. It didn't surprise me though.
Well, I love this game, time to get Platinum trophy without buying it! Also I need to see Ending Y.
My expactations were too high and the game still delivers. It didn't surprise me though.
Well, I love this game, time to get Platinum trophy without buying it! Also I need to see Ending Y.
Watch the anime show (don't listen to the people telling you to skip the last episodes) then watch end of evangelion
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Don't watch it it's a bad show.
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Finally, someone with good taste. It's mind-boggling how prevalent this sentiment can be.
Rickenslacker
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facts
where was the stream?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
KO Traveling Hobo
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Astrael
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My film class this semester spent an entire hour of lecture talking about those last two episodes, and I wrote my midterm paper analyzing them. I wholeheartedly endorse this statement.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You know, thinking more and more about the themes and motivations shown throughout automata, i can say that nier is like the fast and the furious.
It's all about family.
It's all about family.
How did 2B choke an android anyway.
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With the ending E bit, I'm unsure of exactly what it all meant when the pods were collecting the other pods (what are those pods?), gathering 2B and 9S together, putting a wig back on A2 (because really girl that bobcut look ain't for you) and plopping her elsewhere. The obvious implication was that they're going to be fine, but that's just too big of an asspull for me to accept at face value.
Sidenote, disappointed that 9S can't equip the A2 wig.
Sidenote, disappointed that 9S can't equip the A2 wig.
You fought for your happy ending, isn't that enough?
Anyway for those characters the cycle could continue or they can break it which is what the pods are leaving them to do.
there are 3 versions of both pods which you collect through the game and they were mentioned as A/B/C during pods communications.
the pods explicitly confirmed that they restored full memory and full bodies. Also, notice how A2 is separated from 9S(he tried to/killed her so it is logical to stay away when they reactivate) but 2B is right there so it implies that 9S no longer hates her and she is the only one who can stabilize him after all the shit he got through.
I don't know how happier it can really be considering how hard you fought for it against everything with the whole developer team cheering you up. The cycle of war may continue but for the 3 main heroes, it is the start of new life anyway.
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I suppose what was throwing me off was all of them being in the standard A-style appearance, but that's really the nature of their weapon mode isn't it.
The memories I understand, as the intent is to wipe it all and forward relevant data to the next generation and 042 went against that. But the pods are able to deus ex them back to life I guess? It's not like 2B's body or memories weren't available before then, but it wasn't until the end that they broke their observer designation?
In that case, I suppose the cycle is broken for our plucky trio at least, given what they know -- unless they play possum for future events, as it was implied 2B did to 9S all along anyhow.
Or they could found other pods, why not.
All cheeky pod interactions and then actual dialogs throughout the game(which were very weird looking at first) actually mattered to the point that by communicating they gained consciousness(like machines and to some extent like humans). And it was a pod who destroyed(?) N2 by suggesting to act illogically.
They were able to restore everyone all the time but as final YoRHa administrators, it was probably their duty not to do it. And as it was said it is a risky process(hence the bullet hell game). There was no time anyway to restore 2B at the light of the events post her death and we don't know how long it takes.
So it seems like deus ex at first but considering the situation and everything that happened before it really is not as simple.
From Yoko Taro interview:
Rickenslacker
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That works for me. Thanks.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean they're machines. Death to them is having data erased with no backup. Which is why 2E considered the constant memory wipes on 9S as killing his "self".
Like if it's the pods job to administrate the data wipe of yorha they probably have some admin access to it, though you have to fight the game for it.
Like if it's the pods job to administrate the data wipe of yorha they probably have some admin access to it, though you have to fight the game for it.
A2, 9S and 2B are the last remnants of "humanity" and have to repopulate the world, yes.
ShadowSoldier89
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The pods spent the entirety of route C growing sentience, and when it clicks at the end it conflicts with their orders as part of project YoRHa. Pod 042 doesn't want them to die, and suspects Pod 153 feels the same. And thats the key, after all that time they developed feelings, and it overrode their orders.
A2's body is an enigma to me, but they say they were rebuilding them using parts of similar models that they could put together. This makes repairing 2B and 9S pretty simple, since there is plenty of 2B parts around, and they had kept most of 9S's body judging by ending C.
I just suspect they used some 2B parts b/c all E units are based on A2's parameters and design, hence why Anemone is taken aback when meeting 2B initially
KO Traveling Hobo
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The cycle of struggle and suffering, a result of mankind's inability to understand each other, where death is the only escape.
Oddly enough how distressed and tired and on the verge of collapse he gets as he goes from near to far is about how i felt after playing Nier.
The cycle of struggle and suffering, a result of mankind's inability to understand each other, where death is the only escape.
now i wanna see a muppets game by Taro.
i wanna see how he makes kids feel like shit w/o getting into adult topic because it'll be meant for kids.
maybe it'll be about the perversion of familial concepts ._.
Thanks... I've got to contemplate on my life now and see how I can break this cycle. Anyone can delete a save file for me?
Wherever you Ahrtomata
FTFY
Rickenslacker
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So where do the YoRHa units store their black boxes anyway? Do they have Cammy butt storage?
KO Traveling Hobo
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A2 has at least some standardized parts, like her filter system, and she was mostly intact compared to 9S losing an arm and 2B being dead and gone.
The only thing that isn't easily explained is the hair, and I'm willing to accept that as a symbol that she's been completely separated from 2B.
How About No
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Drug Mule Cammy?
Yeah considering they can pilot Flight Units unshielded and Commander is only mildly disappointed to be drifting through space when you accidentally blow up the Bunker the premise of choking out an android is a little off
StormBrute
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Beat the game yesterday. Not entirely sure how I feel about it just yet.
Ending E really caught me off guard in the middle of C's credits. I didn't really understand the context of why this, why now, what's going on, so it took me out of it a bit and made it resonate less. I still don't think I understand when it took place or what was going on. Was it after C? D? Either? But how does that work when my 9S's data is carried off on the ark...?
It seemed almost out-of-place, disconnected. That dulled its impact for me, though the credits stuff was great. I also wish that it had required some work to get to, like the original game's D ending, to make it feel more earned as the player, but maybe that's just so it would feel more connected to things for me.
A2's ending also felt off, or lacking in some way, but I think that's because A2 needed more time and development. She was the most underdeveloped of the cast, and her ending showed that.
I don't know. I think I like the first game better, to be honest, from a story perspective and maybe from a gameplay one. Obviously the combat in Automata is better, but it never felt like it had quite enough depth, and the combat and the hacking were pretty much all the gameplay so they had to carry it. Nier felt more varied, so that even if the combat sucked, it changed up the gameplay often enough that it didn't feel like the combat was all there was to it.
I will say the difficulty on normal in Automata is not good. It's way too easy for most of it, except some attacks that will still one-shot you out of nowhere. With the save system as it is, I didn't want to switch to hard to face more one-shot kills and lose my lock-on, so I was never happy with the difficulty.
Maybe I need time to think on it, but so far I would say it didn't quite meet my expectations.
EDIT: The sidequests in this game and how most of them foreshadow and feed into the game's themes is great, though. Probably my favorite part of the game.
Ending E really caught me off guard in the middle of C's credits. I didn't really understand the context of why this, why now, what's going on, so it took me out of it a bit and made it resonate less. I still don't think I understand when it took place or what was going on. Was it after C? D? Either? But how does that work when my 9S's data is carried off on the ark...?
It seemed almost out-of-place, disconnected. That dulled its impact for me, though the credits stuff was great. I also wish that it had required some work to get to, like the original game's D ending, to make it feel more earned as the player, but maybe that's just so it would feel more connected to things for me.
A2's ending also felt off, or lacking in some way, but I think that's because A2 needed more time and development. She was the most underdeveloped of the cast, and her ending showed that.
I don't know. I think I like the first game better, to be honest, from a story perspective and maybe from a gameplay one. Obviously the combat in Automata is better, but it never felt like it had quite enough depth, and the combat and the hacking were pretty much all the gameplay so they had to carry it. Nier felt more varied, so that even if the combat sucked, it changed up the gameplay often enough that it didn't feel like the combat was all there was to it.
I will say the difficulty on normal in Automata is not good. It's way too easy for most of it, except some attacks that will still one-shot you out of nowhere. With the save system as it is, I didn't want to switch to hard to face more one-shot kills and lose my lock-on, so I was never happy with the difficulty.
Maybe I need time to think on it, but so far I would say it didn't quite meet my expectations.
EDIT: The sidequests in this game and how most of them foreshadow and feed into the game's themes is great, though. Probably my favorite part of the game.
Knowing Yoko Taro, their both canon. Hell, both brother Nier and papa Nier are referenced in weapon stories.
The existence of Accord just made me stop thinking of things as canon or not lol
I don't think there's any indication either way.
I'm pretty sure the "space ship" launch fails in C, but succeeds in D. I might have mistaken the cutscenes though.
2B:"9S,come here,don't be cry baby"
9S:"yes mom"
I have no idea what this is I assume it's anime but thanks for the avatar. Rugged 9S is dope.