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Ninja Gaiden vs. DMC3
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Teknopathetic
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Sorry Duce, this thread is about GOOD games. That's why God of War isn't in the title.
Red Blaster
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Teknopathetic said:
PFFT. He gets cocked smashed if there's more than 5 of them Black Spider Ninjas, at least when I'm in control.
C- Warrior
Banned
TheDuce22 said:
...are you fuckin serious?
Did you -actually- play the game? :b
HomerSimpson-Man
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TheDuce22 said:
I rather give the points to the down right superior funtional camera compared to pratically every 3D action game DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden included obviously.
C- Warrior
Banned
drohne said:ryu plays for the pink team -- or possibly the owl team -- and dante's hot for his mom.
well, if I had a mom that looked like that...
...i'm a bad man...
Teknopathetic said:
Woah there, careful now--God of War fans will come in the droves and flame your ass.
>.>...
C- Warrior said:
i spent a few hours playing DMC3 at my friends house. The combat was awesome and felt much more fluid than in the original game.. I played some at the beginning and some on one of his saves later in the game. i intend to buy it pretty soon despite my problems with the save system, but i may buy a used copy just in case i can't tolerate the save stuff.
NG is just one of those games that worked for me and i really got into the process of mastering it. The first DMC was very cool in spots, but in the end i just get so pissed when i have to go through a level again just because i died on a boss. It slowly wears me down. On the positive side though, the levels were pretty short, so that softened the blow a little. the way i play these games is i do whatever it takes... I mean i'm pretty damn good at NG, but i when i played hard mode on black, i didn't hesitate to use potions and ninpo and i figured out a bunch of cheesy essence farming tricks to deal with the price increase. My overall ranking on xbox live for hard mode is pretty low, but at least i finished it and eventually, i'll try to do the same on very hard mode.
In DMC, the way they made items price increase when you bought them just demoralized me after a while because i definitly wanted to abuse items. I may be more willing to deal with that now than i used to be. I'll definitly give it another try.
Red Blaster
Member
One thing that pissed off about Ninja Gaiden is how you can't really control jump distance too well. The Crash Bandicoot-esque boulder run part in the Monastery resulted in some colorful swearing from me.
C- Warrior
Banned
Krowley said:
Well if the save system is the only thing holding you back from experiencing DMC3, then maybe you should wait some to see more about DMC3: Special Edition. I have a good feeling it'll be the GH version of DMC3 (as the game is still 49.99) and it has "gold version"--a mode with infinite checkpoints, yes--infinte checkpoints, which is actually more checkpoint friendly than even God of War and RE4. As well as just being overall more easier.
slade
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I'd go with DMC3 personally. The combat system they implemented in that game needs to go into all action games and I'll be pissed if Itagaki doesn't add it into Ninja Gaiden 2.
I'm surprised nobody talks about Viewtiful Joe when it comes to these threads. That game was freaking brilliant and it was the first time in god knows how long that someone finally did the 2d action genre, justice.
I'm surprised nobody talks about Viewtiful Joe when it comes to these threads. That game was freaking brilliant and it was the first time in god knows how long that someone finally did the 2d action genre, justice.
God of War for the win.. second place goes to the first DMC. Don't throw rocks at me. :lol
IMO DMC3 felt predictable, a bit too repetitive even though the combat system is awesome (enter a room, fight ennemies, get an item, open something that is sealed by demon forces, start over) and the camera angles lead to some frustrating moments. The soundtrack fits ok but could be much, much better. Not a bad game really.. it's much, much better than DMC2, but I think it's been a bit overrated (I'd give it a 8/8.5).
Ninja Gaiden Black has an extremely boring story, meh design (uninspired ennemies, environments and an attack button used to open doors). I found the controls less responsive than GOW and DMC. The camera once again lead to some cheap hits and made the game harder. It looks good, animates well, the sound is quite good too but having played the original DMC on the 1st day it came out, Ninja Gaiden felt a bit like a rehash to me.. but with ninjas...
IMO DMC3 felt predictable, a bit too repetitive even though the combat system is awesome (enter a room, fight ennemies, get an item, open something that is sealed by demon forces, start over) and the camera angles lead to some frustrating moments. The soundtrack fits ok but could be much, much better. Not a bad game really.. it's much, much better than DMC2, but I think it's been a bit overrated (I'd give it a 8/8.5).
Ninja Gaiden Black has an extremely boring story, meh design (uninspired ennemies, environments and an attack button used to open doors). I found the controls less responsive than GOW and DMC. The camera once again lead to some cheap hits and made the game harder. It looks good, animates well, the sound is quite good too but having played the original DMC on the 1st day it came out, Ninja Gaiden felt a bit like a rehash to me.. but with ninjas...
C- Warrior
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slade said:
I'll bet the clearing of Itagaki's face if he doesn't include 'on the fly weapon switching' that DMC3 features :lol
My god how NG2 would rock infinitely if it had that.
C- Warrior
Banned
...the enemies in Ninja Gaiden weren't uninspired...I mean, they all had breasts n' stuff...
...oh wait :lol
...oh wait :lol
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Oneself said:
DMC3 is the best. NO CONTEST.
I have played NG in all modes, very hard, HP1, HP2, Master Ninja in NGB, and have beaten DMC3 DMD, here's my opinion on pros and cons
NG Pros:
- Level design
- Enemies, NG has tons of it
NG Cons:
- Combo system isn't too deep
- One dimensional, kill your enemies fast
DMC3 Pros:
- Combo system is simple, more fun, elegant, flexible, it depends on your imagination to create your fighting style. Watch this video, and you'll see that DMC3 combo possibility is limitless
http://babildo.brinkster.net/videos/ComboVid.wmv and http://babildo.brinkster.net/videos/DMC3.zip
DMC3 Cons:
- Shorter than NG
oh yeah NGB isn't worth a purchase as it introduces nothing new in term of gameplay, actually I think NGB is worse than HP because:
- If you think camera is horrible in original NG, you haven't seen nothing yet in NGB. As you fight bosses and minions at the same time, CAMERA IS YOUR WORST ENEMY
- AUTO-LOCKING your enemy, this is really horrible. Imagine when you try to hit a downed enemy, but instead you automatically are turned around and hit a farther enemy. Original NG and HP has manual locking.
- NO INTERCEPT in NGB
- Charging UT takes longer time.
I have played NG in all modes, very hard, HP1, HP2, Master Ninja in NGB, and have beaten DMC3 DMD, here's my opinion on pros and cons
NG Pros:
- Level design
- Enemies, NG has tons of it
NG Cons:
- Combo system isn't too deep
- One dimensional, kill your enemies fast
DMC3 Pros:
- Combo system is simple, more fun, elegant, flexible, it depends on your imagination to create your fighting style. Watch this video, and you'll see that DMC3 combo possibility is limitless
http://babildo.brinkster.net/videos/ComboVid.wmv and http://babildo.brinkster.net/videos/DMC3.zip
DMC3 Cons:
- Shorter than NG
oh yeah NGB isn't worth a purchase as it introduces nothing new in term of gameplay, actually I think NGB is worse than HP because:
- If you think camera is horrible in original NG, you haven't seen nothing yet in NGB. As you fight bosses and minions at the same time, CAMERA IS YOUR WORST ENEMY
- AUTO-LOCKING your enemy, this is really horrible. Imagine when you try to hit a downed enemy, but instead you automatically are turned around and hit a farther enemy. Original NG and HP has manual locking.
- NO INTERCEPT in NGB
- Charging UT takes longer time.
You forget another obvious PRO in NG IMO, that is while NG is hard, it is fair challenging hard and not really cheap hard as DMC 3 can be in a lot of cases. And I cant really remember, but I think interacting with the environment was better in NG than DMC3.. using the walls etc. for attacks, evasive movements etc. were a big part of the game IMO.
This is kind of a weird thing that just popped into my mind, but this thread is further illustration that video games are a form of art. (By the way, my definition of art doesn't imply "epic" or that it looks like a painting or whatever other stereotypes you may hold. Simply put, art is anything created with the purpose of invoking an emotional response within an audience.)
Only in art can you have such crazy differences in opinion. For example, there are people here that think God of War is the best game of the generation, yet there are also people for whom it failed to hold their attention all the way through. That's freakin' awesome -- it lets us know that video games aren't just a throwaway pasttime but something that affects us on a very intimate level.
Sorry for the interjection. Keep it going.
By the way, I'll put in a vote for Viewtiful Joe (best played on V-Rated), followed by Ninja Gaiden, and DMC3.
Only in art can you have such crazy differences in opinion. For example, there are people here that think God of War is the best game of the generation, yet there are also people for whom it failed to hold their attention all the way through. That's freakin' awesome -- it lets us know that video games aren't just a throwaway pasttime but something that affects us on a very intimate level.
Sorry for the interjection. Keep it going.
By the way, I'll put in a vote for Viewtiful Joe (best played on V-Rated), followed by Ninja Gaiden, and DMC3.
Sathsquatch
Member
DMC3 definitely has a better combat system than NG, but NG definitely has better standard enemies.
I love how DMC forces players to pick a certain style and learn how to use it along with their chosen weapons while giving the player such a free form combo system. Unfortunately, too many of the basic enemies in DMC are not very interesting. Most of the basic scythe-wielding enemies are too slow and dumb to seem dynamic or be interesting opponents, and DMC3 spents way too much time forcing the player to fight these particular enemies. Some of the other basic enemies are cool (like the spiders, fallen angels, etc), but they never really match the incredibly aggressive and intelligent enemies in NG. The best DMC3 bosses are probably better than the best NG bosses, but most of the time spent in the game is not spent fighting these bosses.
DMC3 and NG are very close in quality, IMO. If I had to choose one, I would pick NG just because I really prefer intelligent and aggressive enemies to the slower DMC enemies. I think the most hardcore action gamers generally prefer DMC3 though because they can test their comboing skills using DMC's superior fighting system.
I love how DMC forces players to pick a certain style and learn how to use it along with their chosen weapons while giving the player such a free form combo system. Unfortunately, too many of the basic enemies in DMC are not very interesting. Most of the basic scythe-wielding enemies are too slow and dumb to seem dynamic or be interesting opponents, and DMC3 spents way too much time forcing the player to fight these particular enemies. Some of the other basic enemies are cool (like the spiders, fallen angels, etc), but they never really match the incredibly aggressive and intelligent enemies in NG. The best DMC3 bosses are probably better than the best NG bosses, but most of the time spent in the game is not spent fighting these bosses.
DMC3 and NG are very close in quality, IMO. If I had to choose one, I would pick NG just because I really prefer intelligent and aggressive enemies to the slower DMC enemies. I think the most hardcore action gamers generally prefer DMC3 though because they can test their comboing skills using DMC's superior fighting system.
Gonna hafta agree but with a clarification:drohne said:dmc3. then ninja gaiden. then zoe2.
i think we should shunt god of war off to the "action-adventure" category with mediocre time-wasters like zelda and metroid.
They're all great games, regardless...plus...the difference between the three is VERY small...high quality stuff
I pity the fools that even fathom bringing the angry caveman from God of War into this discussion. Go play some good games.
Edit: C-Warrior: Transparent fanboy? I gave DMC3 a chance (heck I am giving it another chance soon,) and didn't like it much. How does that make me a transparent fanboy? Had I not played the game you could say that. Hell I even played angry man God of War and still can't see what the heck all the hoopla's about that title (outside great graphics and the kickass 2 bosses it has.)
Edit: C-Warrior: Transparent fanboy? I gave DMC3 a chance (heck I am giving it another chance soon,) and didn't like it much. How does that make me a transparent fanboy? Had I not played the game you could say that. Hell I even played angry man God of War and still can't see what the heck all the hoopla's about that title (outside great graphics and the kickass 2 bosses it has.)
Kabuki Waq
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I didnt like DMC3 at frist but then it grew on me. I still prefer ninja gaiden tho because its just so much more bad ass. Both are good tho.
God of war is a joke.
God of war is a joke.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
dbish said:
Shit, if we're going the 2D route, then I'd have to put this right up there:
I'll just plug VJ a little more, even though you are certainly entitled to believe that it's boring or anything you want:
Kids Mode is broken; it's poorly designed. It lets the player advance up to a point through sheer, brute force, without learning the game's system. Then, when the difficulty increases, the player is baffled, frustrated, annoyed, and bored.
Adult Mode is a much smoother version of the game. In order to progress through it, you have to learn how to play the game -- just throwing out strong moves won't get you far.
So, it's Capcom's fault, but if you were annoyed with it the first time, I suggest you give it another chance on Adult Mode. And if you tried on Adult Mode and still got frustrated, maybe approaching it with a different strategy/mindset will help.
Kids Mode is broken; it's poorly designed. It lets the player advance up to a point through sheer, brute force, without learning the game's system. Then, when the difficulty increases, the player is baffled, frustrated, annoyed, and bored.
Adult Mode is a much smoother version of the game. In order to progress through it, you have to learn how to play the game -- just throwing out strong moves won't get you far.
So, it's Capcom's fault, but if you were annoyed with it the first time, I suggest you give it another chance on Adult Mode. And if you tried on Adult Mode and still got frustrated, maybe approaching it with a different strategy/mindset will help.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
drohne said:
Can't believe I scooped a mint copy off Ebay for 12 bucks. I'd been searching for months for a sane price (was packed w/ Run Saber as well!). I was floored at how good it is--music, visuals, but the icing was the control: it's Ninja Gaiden meets Shinobi meets Ninja Spirits.
And yeah, I still can't find R-Type III at a decent price. Bah!
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
My hardcore action game list for this generation:
NG: Black > DMC3 > RE4 > Viewtiful Joe > Zone of the Enders 2 > Maximo vs Army of Zin - only played on Hard (Maximo respect!)
NG: Black > DMC3 > RE4 > Viewtiful Joe > Zone of the Enders 2 > Maximo vs Army of Zin - only played on Hard (Maximo respect!)
Ninja Gaiden for the win. So much time put into this game, to the hurricane pack downloads and the rerelease as Black with even more new stuff. A truly complex fighting system that takes real skill to master. Tons of replayability with the karma points, timed encounters, extra missions, collection and unlockables. Little to no loading screens, with seamless transition to most areas. Lots of Bosses. Fast action. And still one of the best looking games this generation.
Story was weak, but the presentation of it was awesome. Great CG and lots of cut scenes and dialogue that are never too long or too short.
DMC3 was great too, but it still can't touch NG overall. Maybe if you looked at the combat system only you could give DMC3 the edge, but even then it's a tough one.
Story was weak, but the presentation of it was awesome. Great CG and lots of cut scenes and dialogue that are never too long or too short.
DMC3 was great too, but it still can't touch NG overall. Maybe if you looked at the combat system only you could give DMC3 the edge, but even then it's a tough one.
FoxhoundNL
Member
Ninja Gaiden for the win.
Pure ninja. Pure Action.
Pure ninja. Pure Action.
I don't get why God of War has to be compared here. Do people complain that Mario kart doesn't have realistic sound engines? They're different games. Just because it has action doesn't mean it's exactly like any other game that has action. It's the balance of the elements (exploration, action, puzzles, platforming, whatever) that make up a game. You can define it into a genre or two but that's just an approximation.
Does BF2 suck if you play as an engineer and like it? Some could say you're playing in first person perspective but it's not a fps. Same with Metroid.
Zelda - who wants to gain experience levels or chain combos? I'd like a more complex battle system but I don't want it to be a fighting game.
DMC3 has fighting in it - could someone say virtua fighter is better? It makes no sense.
God of War is more like Castlevania and that's why it rock.
Does BF2 suck if you play as an engineer and like it? Some could say you're playing in first person perspective but it's not a fps. Same with Metroid.
Zelda - who wants to gain experience levels or chain combos? I'd like a more complex battle system but I don't want it to be a fighting game.
DMC3 has fighting in it - could someone say virtua fighter is better? It makes no sense.
God of War is more like Castlevania and that's why it rock.
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