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[Walter Matthau]

Player used unauthorized software which virtually every buyer is using for piracy and was banned from using their console online.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Enjoy

 

[CLW]

I NEED to take a dump LEGALLY

 

[TheChadOfGaming]

 

[Grechy34]

Most of my older consoles are hacked and it's bloody awesome but if you're going to try shit with a brand new console and get banned I feel that's on you. Especially with Nintendo, I'm leaving mine clean.

 

[MayauMiao]

This is beyond the 'console wars', it's about calling Nintendo out for bad business practices that have zero benefit for the consumer. I love Nintendo games (Just finished Super Mario RPG Remake on Switch yesterday) and have enjoyed being entertained for decades using their hardware. But I can see the writing on the wall with the butterfly effect they have going on right now. Nintendo should be 100% vested in delivering a fun and enjoyable product in any way they can. It's when 'the stick' gets ahead of the carrot where things go awry. Piracy does eat into their bottom line a little, I'm sure, but not to the extent where they have to make press releases on it. That's something that a consumer shouldn't be hearing about, ever. In the past, it was comedy to talk about the 'Nintendo Ninjas' and everyone had fun with that. When the ninjas are in the spotlight and seem to have a big stake in the aims of the company publically, where has the fun gone? What happens when the ninjas go after streamers and YouTubers for basically promoting their products? This destroys the good faith and benefit of the doubt they once had in droves. That's not to mention how they have treated their voice actors, too. Princess Peach's VO was let go after 18 years and even she didn't know until Mario Kart World was announced. I don't know any other way to describe that other than it's shitty.

Let's get into things like ROMs and hardware hacks like MOD chips and MIG Switch. ROMs that were not available for purchase and had been unavailable for decades. In my opinion, the ROMs did more to bolster the reputation of Nintendo's past products for new generations of fans. Matthew Storman, the previous owner of romuniverse.com was basically made an example of for the masses via lawsuit and owes Nintendo 2.1 million dollars for distribution of ROMs. While he was making about $30k for running said website, he was actually in my opinion, promoting their products that had absolutely no chance of ever seeing the light of day ever again. Many of us even thought that when all was said and done, Nintendo might forgive him as an act of good will, heck maybe even talk to the guy and tap him for a future position. Instead, they went full bore with absolutely no forgiveness at all. It really shed some light on things for me. This was no longer a company that wanted to promote and sell fun and easy to use products. This was an intelligence agency being run out of a foreign country, who didn't give a fuck about anything 'fun' at all!

Sure, piracy is 'bad' in many ways, but not company ending bad. You create a PR nightmare with consumers with real bad consequences for a drop in the bucket little website that actually probably makes you more money in the end. This kind of bullshit has to end and people need to speak out against this stuff. A company that is child entertainment centered should not be recentering on permanently ending their own image! Sure, people want to call me out for speaking about this, and no, I don't expect a Mario Kart game to give me a bj, but dude have you looked at the anal damage that company is inflicting on you and many others and you -enjoy-it? That speaks for itself guys. What the fuck happened to people that they just roll over and let a corporation dictate when and how they have fun and enjoyment? What happened to the whole counter culture of not rolling over for 'the man'? Instead we get 'chains are good' and fucking insults. I'm not in the wrong here, YOU are and I will damn sure stand up and vote with my wallet and post on message boards to wake people the fuck up. I'm not champion of piracy, this isn't about that. It's about the time and resources being wasted on bullshit. Nintendo has lost sight of the fucking goal and if they stay on this path their company will be finished in short order. Oh we sold this, and records broken that permeate social media and advertising right now, but do they have the staying power operating in this manner in the long run? I think not. It's bad business that doesn't profit anyone!

I want Nintendo to be around for my grandkids to enjoy and I don't see that happening on present course. Hiroshi Yamouchi would have never let this happen. It's not bad to call a company out when you know they are making major fucking mistakes that align more with the opposite of fun. Sometimes companies need to be checked when they have crossed the line and this is what this is. Putting region locks on products when all the money goes right back into the same company is ludicrous! Do you know how Nintendo of America and Europe operate? They collect the money and it goes to Nintendo of Japan! It's a shell game and always has been! Nintendo of Japan gives the orders and collects the profits and then turns around and funds these outfits. Does Doug Bowser have a say in things? Hell no, he's a puppet figurehead that takes orders from command. Thats nothing new and many companies do that, but if I was Dougie boy, I'd be communicating that the ninjas running wild in the public eye is not something that Americans like to see. I would be pushing for more streamers and YouTubers to be promoting our products and ensuring good word of mouth and fun above all else was what people associated our brand with.

I close with, the reception that this post gets, I hope it wakes some of you guys up about how things actually are and where they are headed. Laugh, thumbs up, give me the brain, the eye, whatever. I hope this makes you think about it and consider I'm not trying to fight any fucking war against Nintendo, I am trying to talk some sense into them as a company and you as a consumer and fan of their products. A little sand in the Vaseline goes a long way sometimes and I hope this post gets circulated to high command at the big N. Maybe spill your morning coffee on the tablet, ruffle some feathers, make the defense force crank it up a little. But the seed has been planted. A seed that may save a company in time. Give us some slack!

For Nintendo of Japan:

もちろん。以下は、あなたの最初のNeoGAF投稿の内容を、日本語に翻訳したものです。文体はそのままの情熱と力強さを維持しながら、自然な日本語で伝わるよう調整しています。

これは単なる「コンソール戦争」の話ではありません。任天堂が消費者にとって何の利益もない悪質なビジネス慣行を続けていることに対して、声を上げるべきだという話です。僕は任天堂のゲームが大好きです（昨日もSwitchでスーパーマリオRPGリメイクをクリアしたばかりです）し、長年そのハードで楽しませてもらってきました。でも、今起きているバタフライ効果のような状況を見れば、今後の流れは明らかです。

任天堂は「楽しくて魅力的な製品を提供すること」に100%集中すべきです。でも今は「ムチ」が「アメ」より前に出てしまっている。確かに海賊版は利益を少しは削るでしょうけど、会社が公式声明を出すほどのことではありません。そんなのは消費者が耳にするべき話じゃない。

昔は「任天堂ニンジャ」の話を冗談で楽しめたものです。でもそのニンジャたちが表舞台に出て、企業の方針に深く関わっているように見えるとき、楽しさはどこへ行ってしまったのか？配信者やYouTuberをターゲットにして、実質的に宣伝してくれている人たちを潰すなんて、本来持っていた信頼を自ら壊しているようなものです。

それに声優への対応も酷い。ピーチ姫の声優は18年間も演じていたのに、マリオカートワールドの発表があるまで解雇されたことすら知らなかった。正直言って、これは「ひどい」としか言いようがない。

ROMやMODチップ、MIG Switchのようなハードウェア改造の話もしよう。もう何十年も公式では手に入らないROMが、むしろ新しい世代のファンに任天堂の名作を伝える助けになっていたと思う。romuniverse.comの元運営者マシュー・ストーマン氏は、象徴的に訴えられて2.1百万ドルの賠償を命じられた。でも彼がそのサイトで得た利益は3万ドル程度。僕の見解では、むしろ失われた遺産を宣伝してくれていたと思う。任天堂が最終的に彼を許すどころか、和解することすらせず、情け容赦ない姿勢を貫いたことは、はっきりとしたメッセージだった。

この時点で、任天堂は「楽しい商品を作る企業」ではなく、「外国から運営される情報機関」に成り下がったように感じた。まったく「楽しさ」などどこにもない！

確かに、海賊行為は「悪い」。でも企業を破滅させるほどではない。わずかな影響のために消費者との信頼を壊すような行為は、悪手だと言わざるを得ない。子ども向けのエンタメ企業が、こんな風に自らのイメージを壊していってどうする？

僕を非難する人もいるだろう。「マリオカートにフェラでもしてもらいたいのかよ」とか言うかもしれない。でもさ、任天堂にア○ルまでやられてるのに、まだ「楽しんでる」って言える？それがおかしいって話なんだよ。いつから企業の奴隷になって、それを「自由」だと錯覚するようになったんだ？以前は「体制に抵抗するカルチャー」があったはずじゃないのか？

これは海賊行為を擁護しているわけじゃない。無意味なことにリソースを浪費している現状に警鐘を鳴らしているんだ。任天堂は完全に方向性を見失っていて、このままでは未来はない。今は売上やSNSの盛り上がりで騒がれてるけど、こんなやり方が長続きするとは思えない。これは誰の利益にもならない「悪いビジネス」だ。

僕は、将来自分の孫たちにも任天堂のゲームを楽しんでもらいたいと思ってる。でも今のままでは、それも望めない。山内溥（やまうちひろし）氏がいたら、こんな事態は絶対に許さなかったはずだ。企業の過ちを指摘することは悪いことじゃない。「楽しさ」とは真逆の方向に進んでいるとき、それを止める声が必要なんだ。

製品にリージョンロックをかけて、どこで買っても結局は同じ会社の利益になるのに制限をつける意味があるのか？任天堂オブアメリカやヨーロッパがどんな風に運営されてるか知ってるか？結局、金は全部日本本社に流れるんだよ。ダグ・バウザーに裁量権なんてあるわけない。彼はただの操り人形だ。本当にアメリカ市場を理解しているなら、ニンジャが表舞台で暴れ回っている状況に「それは違う」と言うべきなんだよ。

僕の願いは、この投稿を通じて誰かが目を覚ましてくれること。笑ってもいい、いいねでも脳みその絵文字でもいい。これは戦争じゃない。僕は任天堂にも、ファンにも「正気を取り戻してほしい」と思ってるだけなんだ。時には、ワセリンに混じった少しの砂が目を覚まさせるんだよ。この投稿が任天堂の上層部に届いて、ちょっとでも波風を立ててくれたら、それでいい。コーヒーこぼして、タブレット壊して、広報が火消しに必死になるくらいでちょうどいい。種はもう撒かれた。この種が、未来の任天堂を救うかもしれない。

「少しぐらい、こっちに余裕をくれよ！」

必要ならこの文章を動画ナレーション風、YouTubeの字幕用に短縮、あるいは**プロの翻訳調整版（敬語・ビジネス口調）**に変えることもできます。どうしますか？

From Nintendo to you:

Nintendo is strongly against piracy for several reasons, and the company has consistently explained its stance through legal actions, public statements, and policy enforcement. Here's a clear breakdown of why Nintendo opposes piracy:

1. Nintendo invests heavily in developing games, consoles, and characters. Piracy undermines that investment by allowing people to access and distribute its products without paying.

• Reason: It devalues the time, money, and creativity put into game development.
• Nintendo's View: Piracy is theft of its IP and directly harms its ability to continue creating content.

2. Pirated games and hardware bypass the official sales channels, depriving Nintendo and its partners (like developers and retailers) of income.

• Reason: This impacts their ability to reinvest in new games or platforms.
• Nintendo's View: Sales support future innovation and development—piracy weakens that cycle.

3. Homebrew or pirated versions of games often flood the market, which can distort consumer perceptions and hurt legitimate developers.

• Reason: Pirates don't face the same costs or quality control, giving them an unfair advantage.
• Nintendo's View: Piracy damages the ecosystem by promoting unlicensed or inferior versions of their products.

4. Pirated software can introduce malware or corrupt data. Nintendo argues that unofficial downloads can harm both users and their devices.

• Reason: Users downloading pirated games risk bricking their consoles or exposing personal data.
• Nintendo's View: Only official content can guarantee quality and safety.

5. Nintendo emphasizes that piracy is illegal under international copyright law, and it actively enforces those rights through lawsuits and DMCA takedowns.

• Reason: Upholding the law protects creators and businesses globally.
• Nintendo's View: Supporting piracy encourages unethical and illegal behavior.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Since the 3DS, Nintendo puts a unique rom certificate on game cards. So yes, they can tell if it's a flagged dumped copy when the system connects.

People upload those copies though.

edit: nevermind I see what you are saying... each cart has is signed by it's own cert? that seems wild to me

 

[BlackTron]

I can give you the entire breakdown.

bought switch 2. download for MK took way to long, inserted mig switch, saw game popped up, pressed button to switch, worked. tried to launch once got error never used again. all my own dumps of my physical games.

Well since you are already banned now. I want to say that you may as well update your mig cart and see if your switch 2 will run the games at least.

One potential issue is that the Switch 2 required a day one update just to run Switch 1 games at all, but if you were already downloading Kart I'm guessing you already had it.

Sorry you got banned before you even finished downloading the game man that's harsh

 

[BlackTron]

The most shocking thing is that Nintendo only banned him from online services, I figured they would just brick his console entirely.

Has anyone actually confirmed a bricked console in real life yet or has it been all FUD by conflating terms?

 

[ReyBrujo]

Has anyone actually confirmed a bricked console in real life yet or has it been all FUD by conflating terms?

Not really, but kind of yes. A Switch 1 console will have three options when launching a physical Switch 1 game: Start software, Download update and Cancel. The Switch 2 only has Download update and Cancel, and since you are banned you will never be able to download the update required to start the game. I remember having read about this some time ago but couldn't find the link so here is another from an unknown YouTuber. So, a banned Switch 2 would only be able to play physical (Switch 1 or possibly Switch 2) games without updates unless they patch the Start software option again.

 

[BlackTron]

Not really, but kind of yes. A Switch 1 console will have three options when launching a physical Switch 1 game: Start software, Download update and Cancel. The Switch 2 only has Download update and Cancel, and since you are banned you will never be able to download the update required to start the game. I remember having read about this some time ago but couldn't find the link so here is another from an unknown YouTuber. So, a banned Switch 2 would only be able to play physical (Switch 1 or possibly Switch 2) games without updates unless they patch the Start software option again.

See this is what I mean. This system is not bricked. It has been banned.

Nintendo has been banning systems for forever, so has everyone else. But there is this FUD going around about a NEW threat, the system actually being bricked on purpose by Nintendo. Now someone gets banned and goes OMG my system is bricked. But it isn't. I haven't seen an actual brick in the wild yet.

The only people I know of who ever bricked a Switch 1 system was due to user incompetence managing their hacked Switch, sometimes in tandem with an official Nintendo update, but not because the update was intended to brick anything, they just lost attention to what they were doing.

 

[Kilau]

See this is what I mean. This system is not bricked. It has been banned.

Nintendo has been banning systems for forever, so has everyone else. But there is this FUD going around about a NEW threat, the system actually being bricked on purpose by Nintendo. Now someone gets banned and goes OMG my system is bricked. But it isn't. I haven't seen an actual brick in the wild yet.

The only people I know of who ever bricked a Switch 1 system was due to user incompetence managing their hacked Switch, sometimes in tandem with an official Nintendo update, but not because the update was intended to brick anything, they just lost attention to what they were doing.

Yeah this isn't the brick threat in the TOS.

 

[Mozza]

This thread just keeps on giving lol...

 

[ReyBrujo]

Yeah this isn't the brick threat in the TOS.

Exactly. I think the kill button (if there's one) will be used for the Switch 2 in that shipment that got stolen, if they can't recover them they could brick all of them on first connection on setup.

 

[StereoVsn]

There is actually an important distinction to be made here because Switch games have unique identifiers that Nintendo uses to track whether a copy is being played. Previously, that's how they detected you were using a mig on Switch 1 -by detecting you were using a copied identifier. If you only used dumps of your own games, it seemed like Nintendo had no way of figuring out that you were using a mig cart at all.

It appears that Switch 2 has the capability to detect mig in excess of the unique game identifiers, which is real news. Now they pushed an update that supposedly enables mig to play NS1 games on 2 already, which I would venture to guess prevents the detection, but I wouldn't want to just try it yet. It's unclear whether @DilWSTS applied this update before messing his Switch 2 but I get the vibe he rushed in like leeroy jenkins.

Yep, on Switch 1 it was perfectly safe to play your own dumps as long as you didn't do anything stupid like giving/selling the physical cart.

And that has changed it appears with Switch 2. Maybe Nintendo can detect that actual MiG cart does not have proper certificate and brings down the ban hammer.

 

[StereoVsn]

Player used unauthorized software which virtually every buyer is using for piracy and was banned from using their console online.

It's much easier to just download ROMs that people rip from hacked consoles (millions of early Switch consoles were/are extremely easy to hack, no mod chip needed).

MiG stuff is really more for personal backups. It would be dumb to use it to seed ROMs still that cert is detectable and people can easily get banned for dupes online at same time.

 

[SABRE220]

Was waiting for someone to post this. Say what you want about capability but that's a sexy looking jet!

 

[BlackTron]

Yep, on Switch 1 it was perfectly safe to play your own dumps as long as you didn't do anything stupid like giving/selling the physical cart.

And that has changed it appears with Switch 2. Maybe Nintendo can detect that actual MiG cart does not have proper certificate and brings down the ban hammer.

Switch 2 could allegedly detect voltage difference between real cart and mig. But I'm unsure whether this is true, and whether the mig update addressed this exact issue to make it work. But it's interesting to speculate.

I would personally advise anyone with a Switch 2 and a mig to hold off even though it supposedly works right now unless you want to be one of the guinea pigs I watch as the situation matures. I bought my NS2 mainly to play new games and it's not worth risking that to access Hyrule Warriors with higher settings than the Wii U version, although I wanna.

 

[LordOcidax]

This thread just keeps on giving lol...

The amount of tears is epic

 

[Mozza]

The amount of tears is epic

The crows are once again..... very afraid

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

From Nintendo to you:

Nintendo is strongly against piracy for several reasons, and the company has consistently explained its stance through legal actions, public statements, and policy enforcement. Here's a clear breakdown of why Nintendo opposes piracy:

1. Nintendo invests heavily in developing games, consoles, and characters. Piracy undermines that investment by allowing people to access and distribute its products without paying.

• Reason: It devalues the time, money, and creativity put into game development.
• Nintendo's View: Piracy is theft of its IP and directly harms its ability to continue creating content.

2. Pirated games and hardware bypass the official sales channels, depriving Nintendo and its partners (like developers and retailers) of income.

• Reason: This impacts their ability to reinvest in new games or platforms.
• Nintendo's View: Sales support future innovation and development—piracy weakens that cycle.

3. Homebrew or pirated versions of games often flood the market, which can distort consumer perceptions and hurt legitimate developers.

• Reason: Pirates don't face the same costs or quality control, giving them an unfair advantage.
• Nintendo's View: Piracy damages the ecosystem by promoting unlicensed or inferior versions of their products.

4. Pirated software can introduce malware or corrupt data. Nintendo argues that unofficial downloads can harm both users and their devices.

• Reason: Users downloading pirated games risk bricking their consoles or exposing personal data.
• Nintendo's View: Only official content can guarantee quality and safety.

5. Nintendo emphasizes that piracy is illegal under international copyright law, and it actively enforces those rights through lawsuits and DMCA takedowns.

• Reason: Upholding the law protects creators and businesses globally.
• Nintendo's View: Supporting piracy encourages unethical and illegal behavior.

I'm not saying that companies should take whatever measures they want to combat piracy. But, ruining lives for it and charging people millions of dollars is extreme especially if it's a single person at a time. My stance is more along the lines of region locking systems, which is not a piracy measure but limits the consumer significantly, especially when all of the money goes back to Japan anyway. It's too late on Switch 2 and that is region locked anyway and that's asking for people to seek out alternatives which require modifications and hacks to defeat it. That kind of behavior from Nintendo invites things like hacking and mechanical modification solutions like the MIG Switch, which opens the door to piracy. It's retarded.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Another bad business practice dropping on July 17th.

I already own the superior version called Mario Odyssey on the Switch, it's the same engine and the graphics aren't any better. It's the same old same old thing that I have played for years. It's not like it's the only platformer game with collection mechanics on the market. Needless to say, the game ain't selling me on Switch 2 just like Mario Kart World, the superior versions already exist on a console that I already own.